Stephen A. Smith shows how Michael Jordan DESTROYS LeBron James in the GOAT debate 

@@Chris.41 he never took a L in the finals! Goats don’t take L’s . Y’all have no argument

@@nickjones3860 what MJ was doing before 1991? Was he doing another job or something?

​@@nickjones3860ya he jus took Ls in the playoffs getting bounced out 8 times 😂

@@Criminelsoyeux changing popular culture, amazing the world and reshaping the sports of basketball. He was out scoring and out balling all of the so call greats. He wasn’t reaching the finals then bc he didn’t have a supporting cast, like legarbage who had super teams and still couldn’t win🤣🧹

Cringe. There is no goat 😊

Jordan took a 2 yr hiatus from basketball and chose a sport that did not require the athleticism of speed, stamina, agility, jumping, and lateral quickness. Further, playing a sport where your lack of skill would not impact a game allows for much downtime and a more relaxed mindset. MJ is not the GOAT.

@@1212CSmith You sound like someone who doesn’t have the least bit of understanding or experience playing baseball. And further, to use said ignorance to denigrate MJ’s goat status reeks of a sophomoric attempt at trolling. Sad! 😴

@@1212CSmith Funny guy!

​@@1212CSmiththat's why he likes golf so much, and that's not the reason he went and played baseball for a year lol

@@1212CSmith He was the GOAT before he took that hiatus.

I think you said it best right there my man. “An ocean of differences between MJ and Le bron”.

In my opinion LeClown is not even a great player. Sorry ..but No ball handling at all No clutch No FT No 3 Pointer No Midrange No winner No gutts Flopping Bumming Choking Wining Cry-Baby What is great on LeClown? Nothing…… Not a great player…..period

You mean when scotty won it because he didn't win shit before scotty pippin showed up

@@nicolekestner185 Pip averaged 16 points .. He was a great piece , and one hell of a a defender … that said, Jordan made Pip ..

Kind sir, tell me with a straight face that MJ's opponents were at the same level as LeBron's opponents. No disrespect to my elders but you all either simply fail to realize or REFUSE to accept that todays average pro athlete is above the top best that ever was in the 20th century in terms of physicality, game iq etc. MJ did not play in the modern era.

@@ghwdapw The legends MJ played against are all time top 50 players and that cannot be said about Lebron the majority are even considered top 75. Those guys would kill this league witn how it is structured. Physicality? You realize that todays technical fouls and flagrants fouls would even be whistled at times then. Higher iq can be learned as you play against it and they would if playing in this era get the same as the current players.

@@ghwdapw Yo! @TheMetzor - is telling you the truth...If it is the truth you seek.

@@ghwdapw oh you mean today's physically mentally strong players like Kawhi and Zion who load manage throughout the season only to be hurt and unavailable come playoffs time? Players like Ben Simmons, Cryie Irving and Dillon Brooks? Who exactly did Lebron play against who was so physically dominantly imposing? Mind you, despite having the best team in the NBA in the Miami Heat, Lebron lost to JJ Barea and Shawn Marion. Lebron lost to the 3-point happy Golden State Warriors. These players today cant hold a candle stick to the likes of Karl Malone, Patrick Ewing, Alonso Mourning, Shaq, to name a few. Today's players just work out and shoot threes and you know its true.

@@TheMetzor this really proves my point. The ''legends'' MJ played against, are considered top 50 because of the stats they put up IN THAT ERA. If you would take them AS THEY WERE and put them in the 2010's NBA, they would not put up half of the stats they put up back then and obviously if you would put some like Kyrie, Steph, or even Ja, no one would believe that moving at that speed is possible. What I mean by physicality is the development of the human body that has increased exponentially in comparison to the 20th century. You can simply see everyone being much more athletic. Indeed, higher iq can be learned as you play against it, but that's exactly my point, MJ and the ''legends'' have not played in today's NBA which is much much faster, exactly because of the physicality I spoke about. Everyone in today's NBA HAD TO adapt to a much faster pace, because they simply are much better and more physically developed. I won't lie, MJ is one of the very few ones that was quite athletic considering that point in time, but it's dumb to think he was as athletic as your average professional athlete that exists now, especially one of the top 1% of pro athletes. But take Larry Bird for example, look at his clips and tell me that you genuinely think he was athletic. He was so slow and yet the defensive side still couldn't stop him. Now, that defensive side was the average NBA players BACK THEN that the ''legends'' put up insane stats against and now are considered the top 50. But the average NBA players back then would easily lose to a G League team or even a college team. 2024 prospects are insanely athletic as you should clearly see and the legends of the game wouldn't be able to keep up even with them.

Pin this…… this comment needs to be at the forefront

That is an impressive accomplishment. I will say this. For me Michael Jordan is simply the greatest Basketball player of all time and Lebron James at this point is a solid #2. In addition to all of his great personal accomplishments as a player people should consider that Michael Jordan is 6-0 in NBA Finals and Lebron James is 4-6. Now making it to the NBA Finals 10 times is impressive. Breaking Kareem's scoring title is impressive but he actually has a losing record in the NBA Finals. Ultimately Basketball is all about winning and number of championships won should matter in a conversation about greatest off all time. I believe in being fair and I will give Lebron James a fair and reasonable challenge for getting my vote as greatest of all time. He needs to win 7 NBA championships to get my vote and finish his career with a winning record in the NBA Finals. If he finished his career as 7-6 or 8-7 for example he would get my vote. The greatest players find a way to win. Lebron James has had a great career but to surpass Michael Jordan you have to do something extraordinary to make a case for being better than him. For me winning 7 NBA championships and finishing with a winning record in the NBA Finals is a reasonable challenge. Do any Lebron James fans think he can do that?

Def needs to be pinned

​​@@MysticNinjaJay So your saying he has to get THREE more rings, with not enough left in the tank?... he'd be 42 or 43 by those chances... you really think it should take all that?... Brady made it to his forties because he's only standing in one spot... just sayin 💁‍♂️. Bt that being said... just it won't take Mahomes even SIX to pass Brady, it SURELY ain't gon take Lebron 7 to surpass Jordan... all he needs is at LEAST one more ring... then the GOAT debate will be over

I thought it was being the best player on 2 threepeat teams and winning 6 in a row when he played a full season.

True💯 Many people not in the US were watching basketball just because of MJ and stopped watching basketball once he retired. Considering there was no internet at that time makes you know how big Jordan was 🔝

Same here. Eastern Europe. Remember watching 98 Finals at 4am local time being a kid

Well put

Imagine how big MJ would have been with today's internet exposure. There is no comparison.MJ is in a league of his own. He literally made NBA a global brand and also made Nike the biggest sports brand in the world.

@@_RubenLee_this is me. We watched NBA because of MJ back in 93, and we don’t have our own tv and cable, we only watch in friends house. When MJ retired, I stopped watching.

Along with Lebron who respectfully is in the same convo as MJ much deserved

Lebron isn’t a once in a lifetime star lol?

lebron is too, but jordan is a level (a big level) above him. not even close.

@@j0rdan172 hell nah. 4 - 6 one being in the bubble vs 2 3peats?

​@@xaevius5319 if you put a caveat on Lebron James titles put a caveat on 5 of Jordans Expansion Era titles.& His subpar competition. If 4-6 is a bad thing then what about 1-9 in the playoffs winning only 1 game in 3 years 😂.there's a whole book of asterisks that could be used. The bubble counted because Lebron didn't cause coviid 😂& the Lakers were the top of the western conference before the NBA shut down

I feel this Way about MJ (Michaeljackson) that is lol.

He's not tho

In the 90s I agree but that's it

Anyone ever again is a stretch. People didn't think Bill Russell would be surpassed, then came Magic. Then it was MJ's turn to usurp Magic. If someone like Luka who's only 24 improves his game and wins 1 by the time he's 26/27, then it's on. He is untouchable but only for now

Kareem has the same amount of rings as MJ, has more career points (Became the all time leading scorer in 14 seasons with only one made 3pt make, which was held for almost 4 decades) Rebounds, Assists, Blocks, All NBA selections, League MVP's, total all defensive team selections, and all star selections. He didn't short cut his career and retire twice like how MJ did.

Kareem lost only one game in high school and only one game in college...

That's impressive in the 90s

How bout 1984-1989?

Again NBA added expansion teams 4 in 1989 Twolves, Heat, Hornets and Magic another 2 in 1996 Raptors and GRizzlies. WHo gonna challenge the Bulls in that weak era???!

Wait u mean the Bulls or just Mj. Phil Jackson Scottie Pippen Dennis Rodman Horace grant Paxson Longley. He had a squad . Stop it

And this is the most overlooked fact of all. Great observation.

Faxx!!!!

Bill Russell did more in less time than MJ....Bill Russell is clearly the GOAT

Dude the nba and media ARE THE ONLY reason Jordan is called the goat. He isn't better better Lbj at all and had better everything top to bottom and way easier competition. Jordan is and was 666 and if he is the goat then you're brainwashed because all you have is the scripted 666. Dude had to quit to save nba face due to gambling getting his Dad hurt

its a debate.. if Jordan is your GOAT then thats fine but to say its not a debate is just idiotic 💯 thats why Jordan fans get so defensive and pounce on LeBron any year he doesn’t win the chip.. cuz it is a debate 😂 and im not LeBron’s biggest fan or nufin but this mans greatness can’t be ignored 💯 its a debate..

Pippen

​@@BrettMaverick so you're saying Pippen is better than Wade, Kyrie, Bosh, etc? interesting.

@@asdfoio yeah. MJ was NEVER the underdog. He was on the the superteam in every one of his finals.

@@BrettMaverick also Lebron never won DPOY, finals mvp, and had TWO three peats

@@BrettMaverick also, Lebron never won DPOY and MVP in the same season.

Great comment! The only thing I would add is being undefeated and how much that matters compared to having a losing record in the NBA Finals.

And all defensive first teams. Steals leader multiple times. Jordan’s defense is so much greater.

so would final appearances, all-NBA, all-stars, assists, and rebounds. And as far as scoring titles, I am reminded of people like Harden, Westbrook, and Embiid, you know the very best.

That’s why based on my criteria lebron can’t ever pass Jordan or even Kareem. And I am I diehard lebron fan. But the GOAT takes I think ruin his legacy

Harder to win those awards to todays game.. more competitive, more talent, teams are deeper..

Mans really mentioned Kobe 😂....that bus passed 10 years ago.

Facts only thing LeBron did better than Kobe is rebound and pass the ball

@@nicolasmartinez795 you sound goofy bro lol “ the only thing Lebron did better was this and that “ no lol you don’t know ball . Even at their PEAK Lebron is the far greater than kobe , don’t even bring up defense because when Lebron played defense and sat in that chair he was a monster . Came in 2nd in DPOY, in which the winner didn’t even get 1st team all defense so Bron got robbed . The closes kobe ever came to a DPOY was 3rd bro lol kobe got 1 MVP,2 FMVPS, you talking about a 4 mvp 4 time FMVP who was always the best player on his team . Stop it bro , like buddy said that bus passed 10 years ago

@@michaelmaccrazy Cap 🧢 tell Bron that west pressure hit different

@@boblansonfig3972 then why lebron ain’t make 9 first team all defenses then?

Wat he top 10 Kobe top 5 now

Jordan never beat a 73-9 team in the finals and isn't the all time leading scorer, without mentioning team accolades how is Jordan better? Bron is bigger, smarter, faster and just as skilled.

​@@_ripVanWinkle_ Kyrie 3 point shot won that game 😉

⁠@@k-way8471 just cuz hes dead doesnt mean hes top 5. Nobody had him top 5 before he died, but afterwards everyone propelled him to top 5 status. Theres no argument for kobe being better than lebron all time im sorry to tell u

@@Frank-nz1wr I’ll take players option before you bronsexuals and this is my opinion if you don’t like it scroll on

In the 90s he was great unfortunately we didn't see him against the best competition back then😢

@@lilztheking1751 what...?

Lol like We didn’t see MJ getting that broom and not being able to WILL his team to the mere ECF 😂

​@@papadiom9260 Goats don't quit ,goats dont get outplayed by the second units bench player and nor do goats score 8 points in total in a Nba finals game like lebrick. Lol

@@papadiom9260 MJ went out swinging. That series of lebron was the biggest meltdown of a superstar.

@@papadiom9260 Which one, the one against the 1986 Celtics, one of the greatest teams ALL TIME in NBA history? A series where Jordan practically put the team on his back one game, and dropped 63, a record that still stands today? Or the following year, against the same Celtics team, where Jordan averaged 35.7 points, 7 rebounds, 6 assists, 2.3 BLOCKS and 2 STEALS per game? Yeah, ok buddy. One player can only do so much. Especially against a team like the Celtics of the late 80’s. Meanwhile, PRIME Lebron got checked by some guy named Deshawn Stevenson. 😂 Go to bed, child.

@@CrimsonUniverse22 Lol you’re mentioning MJ stats in Losses !?? Lol Bron averaged 36ppg in 2015 Final Loss. MJ got beat into Submission by The Pistons and he CRIED & begged the league for help which, led to rule Change and Crazy trades. Lebron’ s early Sweeps came from 1) the Spurs Dynasty in 2007, which was one of the best teams in NBA history, 2) The KD - Warriors in 2018 which, is arguable the BEST TEAM in NBA history as they assembled KD + a 73-9 Warriors team. Yet despite that, Bron averaged 35ppg in those finals. MJ might have HAD the best accolades but facts remained BRON is the best all-around basketball player the league has ever seen.

I agree!

I 2nd this

I agree. He should get his flowers. That was a bad man!

😂😂😂😂😂😂

LMAO top 50/75 when LeBron has faced top 10 players and even top 10/15 on the SAME TEAM who were also 2 of the 3 best players in the game at that time. When MJ faced players even close to that he got swept and lost in the first round. Also HOF coaches btw

@Flare LeBron beat Tim Duncan, Kawhi Leonard, Steph Curry, Kevin Durant, Russell Westbrook, Paul Pierce, and Jimmy Butler to win his rings, while also losing to all of them except Westbrook and Butler. LBJ also lost to Dirk and an aging JKidd. These guys will end up in the HoF too, but aren't any better than the guys MJ beat who are on the Dream Team, HoF, and NBA Top 50 players list like Magic, Kareem, Bird, Karl Malone, John Stockton, Patrick Ewing, Reggie Miller, Alonzo Mourning, Charles Barkley, Shaq, Penny Hardaway, Gary Payton, Shawn Kemp, Allen Iverson, Clyde Drexler, David Robinson, Isiah Thomas, Dennis Rodman, Joe Dumars. They're more, but I'll stop here. LBJ's competition is not better than MJ's was, and MJ went 6-0, while Breezy has gone 4-6. I love LBJ, but he's not MJ. No. 2 still isn't bad for Breezy.

@Flare There was only one coach for MJ, and he was HoF because of what MJ, Shaq, & Kobe, did not the other way around. They made him more than he made them.

@@Flare8124 you conveniently neglecting to mention that lebron’s teammates have included Ray, Dwyane, AD, Kyrie, Rondo, Bosh, Westbrook, and Love.

I watch his higlights and i see a nba player

MJ's clearly the best of the 90s is weird to say anything else cuz he has never been successful in any other era

Mj is not ahead. And there was no debate in Jordans Expansion Era because the other all time greats that religiously whooped him were on their way out the league or already gone ( Kareem). Mj is not top 1 in any catagory but per. Everybody knows Lebron & Kobe were robbed of an MVP & Lebron or Shaq should've been the 1st unanimous league MVP.. Lebron was robbed of defensive player of the year. Mj basically retired before facing Hakeem in the finals. He faced Malone , Stockton,gp & Barkley 😂😂😂😂😂

@Bitrate Lebron James led His team out the East 8 straight That's dominate asf. Comparing Lebron James at 38 losing a series to Jordan getting swept IN HIS prime is biased a hell. Mj was called black Jesus by Bird but Bird still sent him home 😂. Mike has a Losing record against the all time Greats. And was Labeled the goat with 3 chips a way less stats Over Kareem that has accomplished more Because Nike & the league said he was. Mike for being Numero uno with No debate Is statistically not # 1 in Any major catagory. Stop cappin because if all Lebron had to do in the finals to win 6 is to do battle with Stockton & Malone he'd have all the chips 😂😂 No Elite guards in the 90s expansion ERA that's why mj stood head & shoulders over Ehlo. 1on 1 defense. Now there's help defense with the zone.

@Cal Watch the eastern conference? Regularly below 500? Oh that's cool. Besides the FACT the top teams Usually made the eastern conference Finals & still had to face ole goat James.. The same Eastern conference YOU know who played in where I Know teams made the playoffs winning only 30 plus games 😂 cough cough and during the Expansion Era a couple of those " bottom teame were Added where the rosters were built with players that were Not NBA ready MJ squad beat those teams at least 4 times Each Easy 12 to 14 wins guaranteed Every team was whooping those 4 teams Regularly. Don't start off talking about the East competition Unless your willing to talk about the 90s Eastern conference.

@Cal Watch facts are just FACTS don't like it Lump it. Say hey to grandpappy tho

MJ has the most game winning clutch shots in the NBA LeBron has not won a game with a clutch shot in years. At age 38 with no bench rest, LeBron consistently ran out of gas in the fourth quarter in the Denver Series. LeBron shot a record low 1 for 22 for 3-pointers in the 4th quarter during the playoffs. Game 1 Denver series, 4th quarter 1 offensive rebounds, shooting 0 for 2 from 3-pointers, 1 for 4 field goals. Game 2 Denver series, 4th quarter 0 offensive rebounds, shooting 0 for 3 from 3-pointers, 3 for 7 field goals. Game 3 out of gas in 4th quarter 0 offensive rebounds, shooting 1 for 4 from 3-pointers, 2 for 6 field goals. Game 4 out of gas in 4th quarter 0 offensive rebounds, 0 for 1 from 3, 1 for 6 field goals, 3 points.

MJ needed to trash talk his competitors rather than playing straight hoops. Just to compensate. 🤡

@@bm2225 , I would agree, but I'm also someone who studies psychological profiles. In my view, it's not that MJ needed to compensate--I saw it more that he saw himself as SO far above the competition that he was truly a king and they were his inferior subjects who were daring to take the crown. The rest is history.

@Cal Watch Old LeBron has not hit a game winning shot in years. Younger LeBron was a great closer, only second to Jordan.

​@Cal Watch "Every time" Lmaooo you LeBron haters are so freaking predictable & hilarious. Not to mention flat out WRONG. LeBron has THE most game-winning shots in the playoffs in NBA history. So much for "always coming up short" in those moments. 🤷‍♂️🤷‍♂️

You can thank LeBron's delusional fanbase for that.

You can thank LeBron and his fans for that. LeBron would always say shit like "I'm chasing that ghost in Chicago" or tattoo on himself "The chosen one" or calling himself "The King" and wear 23 cause of Mike. He wanted this. This was also his fan boys too

You can blame jordan fans too. Anyone who involves themselves in this toxic debate is the problem

They appreciate it. The debates are for entertainment purposes only.

you can be great player and if you haven't got the team to back it up

Steven A. the man said it perfect. 👍

LeBron is a top 10 player but not a top 5 player because he has Jason Terry and JJ Barea on his legacy. He was also was swept in series where he had 1 or 2 all-stars with him, a feat that MJ never had. LeBron's defense is suspect, he relies on the refs to make calls in his favor when he flops, and he has no mid-range game.

@@bainer3052 Yes, and not only Jason Terry and JJ Barea. Also Turkoglu's Orlando, 35yrs old big3 Celtics, 38 yrs old Duncan and Ginobili, and more. I would agree he was top 10 before this Denver series, but he embarrassed himself in an unprecedented way in the closing minutes of games 1, 2, and 4, and I really think this series could even push him out of the top 10 when he retires and the media stop promoting him and talking about him all the time. Totally agree on defense, flops, and mid-range game.

Huge L

Y’all are beyond help

Easily number 2

He has to, he's just telling the truth he's not hating on them

@@TekkLuthor then just tell the truth. you dont need to talk about how much you love someone and spend 3 minutes apologizing because youre about to disagree with them about whos the best basketball player.

SAS did not used to do this 15 years ago. only thing i can think of is he knows today people are so sensitive any criticism can get some one to not like you.

with what? rings? bill russell had 11... MVPs? Kareem had 6... all time scoring? he is just 5th. I think the only thing he owned was scoring titles. What else? lol

@@unyellowph4138 And Bill Russell went 8-0.

“the only thing” lmaoo you clueless motherfuckers

Um Jordan played at age 40, Lebron is only 38 mow genius.

@@reacespeaces2 I don't count his Wizard years. I put that in parenthesis

@@westcoastkidd17 Who cares what you count.

Yeah. BUT this is an era where if your pinky touches your opponent…TECHNICAL FOUL???

And MJ was getting bounced until Pippen arrived smh

What is LeBron gonna do in the finals this year 🤭

MJ changed the game, Steph changed the game, Wilt changed the game, Larry changed the game, Pistol Pete changed the game, Doctor J changed the game, Lebron, as good as he is, is just a great basketball player but the game hasn't changed because of him. Kareem was the scoring king because of longevity, Lebron is now the scoring king because of longevity, his stats don't compare to others favorably in many categories when you remove the longevity IMO. Throw in that if they call him for the first offensive foul they called on Joker last night, he fouls out a lot during his first 10 years in the league when the NBA was just letting him run over people on his way to the rim.

@@tommymoore5099 ☝🏿this is the comment.

In gym shorts

Then he proceeded to beat MJ like a little boy over and over again...

@@plainman9887 mj better than lebron

Exactly that's because the level of competition is higher in Lebron's era. How can y'all fail to see that

@@Qayoh_Renzel Because it's not true. Believe what you want fanboy.

As a longtime Jordan fan I find this to be a bit untrue. There were plenty of people in 88 89 and 90

@@str8duval And as an actaul REAL Jordan fan I know it is true.

@@Wis_Dom You can literally go back to Jordan highlights on RU-vid and find old Magic and Bird fans. There was never a debate amongst the crowd you and I were in because I’m sure our crowd was all Jordan fans. But there was a Select amount of older people who steal world in the Magic in bird train

Lol he sound every old washed-up Jordan buttslaves

lakers were doomed from the start celtics are next

@@angel-ij4xv I was referring to his Jordan comments about it being a best of 5 and not 7

🤷🏾‍♂️ aye 😂😂😂

LeSwept

@@TheKidwondaoh 6 rings

@Truth is Truth! 2022 Sidekick in 1994?

​​@OneMillionwinsthey think Jordan did everything by himself smfh, I have to stay out these discussions,because people so focus on the Jordan and don't rem the other players,people have they own opinion and we have ours

It's crazy because they said Ray Allen saved Lebron but their on the same team,but they will never say that Scottie Pippen help Jordan wins those ring

For real there were 8 seeds with 50 wins out west while in the east 50 got you homecourt the first round 😂

@@swoosh2835 In the east, 50 got you the number 1 seed.

MJ got swept twice in the 1st round, walked out twice. stop lying to the younger generations its not cool

MJ also didn’t win until he had Pippen. No pippen, no rings.

He literally left twice, also if those series against the celtics were 7 games, he still woulda got swept, so saying he never got swept in a 7 game series doesn’t make sense

@@PopgotdepopJordan never flopped and never lied to the media about stupid sh!t.

@@iKingRevJordan was The Reason they won not part of the reason they won, check the difference. That one year Jordan was gone Pippen and bulls didn’t win sh!t.

This comment! 🙌👏

Exactly !!!! Preach !!

Don't forget MJ's jersey is hanging in Miami 😂 🙏🏾

They will get swept by the Nuggets

@@khmershakur9197 I don't know. I am not a Miami fan. But I have a feeling Miami will win the Championship. We will find out in 2 weeks, or so!

Stephen A has old man syndrome. Prisoner of the past.

You mad that he speaking facts

​@@hesii6295 facts about what? This happens every NBA season the goat debate.

@@hesii6295 subjective facts, cherry picked facts

@@luv2ruck770 So is Jason Terry or JJ Barea the GOAT?

It can be a valid comparison, because there are players that linked the two: Kobe Bryant, Vince Carter, Tracy McGrady, among others who played with and or against Jordan and Lebron. If Kobe was near clone to Jordan, and old Kobe destroyed a prime Lebron, we can safely say that a prime Jordan would destroy prime Lebron even more, because we saw them actually play, we'll just think MJ was playing instead of Kobe.

But he didn’t LeBron clears Kobe head to head matches good one tho

Thank u

LeBron clears kobe

saying kobe also only played with one HOF player is funny because Pau just recently got inducted to HOF, you casual

So you’re not gonna count players that were contributing factors to the lakers success? Also, you’re gonna forget about pau gasol?

saying LeBron had a prime westbrook is also just not true 😭😭😭

LeSwept

@@user-mh6nm5mv4b you won't say that to his face

@@zuzd4502Fans have told him that to his face and he had them removed from the stadium, Lecry baby

@@newempire158 no you won't say that to his face though.

@@zuzd4502 I was that fan.

Well, it's true. We even knew it as kids.

Really, and who was the person making the debate up, would that be Stephen A. Smith? Of corse no one said that when Jordan was playing, where was social media, podcast and 1 million talk shows?

I’ve seen RU-vid clips from 1987 saying MJ is the greatest basketball player ever Bobby Knight said in 1984 before he even played a game in the nba

this is the question... who was MJ breaking then to become GOAT? Before he got 6 rings, who was he beating in the discussions. Did he beat them. ANswer is Bill Russell and Kareem. No he did not beat them with rings. Kareem had 6 and four more finals appearances and Russell had 11 rings. Grow up guys! Guys like Stephen A are trash. Barkley is one of 75 greatest that paraded recently... Did he win one? NO!!! But annointed by NBA as one of the greatest. You can be an NBA great without rings.

@@unyellowph4138 Jordan never beat another top ten great while he was playing. And he has. A loosing record against Larry Bird and Isiah Thomas. The teams before the bulls. Yet no one talks about that but LeBrons whole history is up for debate.

Thank you bruh lol how Marc gasol get it when he ain’t even get 1st team all defense . They robbed Bron cause everybody who knows ball knows Bron was sitting in that chair and clamping 1-5 that year like crazyy

No he shouldn't, Marc gasol deserve his 2013 dpoy award

@@boblansonfig3972 Marc gasol deserve his 2013 dpoy fasho 💯💯. Lebron defense isn't good

@@KingTaylor-pl2el never should a player in 2nd team all-defense also receive DPOY. That just doesn't make sense. That's my point

@@MIent1313 that was big time robbery for him to even make 2nd team defense, Marc gasol was clearly best defender in the league in 2013, Marc gasol deserve his 2013 dpoy fasho 💯💯💯💯.. gasol defense was clearly better than lebron in 2013

Jason Terry > LeRoid JJ Barea > LeRoid

@@bainer3052 you gotta be kidding me, no way

"The brightest candles burn twice as fast" LeBron has lasted longer due to advances in medicine, training, dieting. And because he had a prime DWade, a prime Bosh, a prime Kyrie, a prime AD, a prime KLove to shoulder that load so he could play at a higher level later in his career, which is the only reason why he is 1st in scoring. MJ had to do EVERYTHING offensively for the Bulls for 13 seasons that's why his game dropped off like most superstars did before this era. This plus Jordan routinely played 82 games a year, the last time LBJ played all 82 was 17-18. For the last five seasons he has only played in 55, 56, 45, 67 (covid), and 55 games. Yah LeBron played at a higher level for longer, but it's about when they were in their primes, who utterly dominated the competition, that was MJ, not LeBron. Longevity does not equal being a better player at their peak. People often make that mistake. MJ was the 3rd all time scoring leader in his 13 seasons when he retired, it look LeBron 16 years or 118 more games to pass MJ. That shows how MJ shouldered all the scoring in comparison to LeBron

@@nicolasmartinez795 all fair points, but also remember that Jordan retired twice, which means less miles and long periods of recovery. Ya he played minor league baseball during his first retirement, but that's not putting the same wear on his body as NBA basketball.

wizards era jordan wasnt even an athlete. he was a normal dude and then in the wizards front office. man literally didnt play or train to play for 3 seasons. when he came back got a couple broken ribs and injured his meniscus. and he still ALMOST put a team of nobodys +young rip to the playoffs. till the meniscus injury they were on pace to be top 4 in the east anyway.