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I have a suggestion about Dr. K's guide. I think the course diagram with video titles and paths should be made available for all, not just for people who paid. It would help with 2 things: 1) Seeing that there is a video which discusses your specific problem convinces to buy much more than just knowing that the course is, for example, about social anxiety in general. 2) Many paths are interleaved. Seeing this in detail would convince those in doubt to buy more than one course or even all 4. It's very frustrating to buy something and understand after a while that it's not enough.
Is that a thing like a was concious about this FOMO thing without knowing it when I was young, like 5 years old, so I was like, Ok its good the other one has something I dont, I dont need it, but I can do something on my own and connect with peoples if I want to, at the age of 7 I was loving to teardown things, also im really self concious and I love to see myself from outside of view, also how my enviroment works and analyzing whats happening.
It's unreal how much figuring out your own values and goals magically offloads so much pressure from our lives. Everything becomes much simpler once you know who you are and where you're going. It's hard to discover what those things are, but the best step to take is the next step. Meet yourself where you're at, and go meditate already!!!
True. I've been noticing this with my depression, when I don't feel any desire or drive I need to continue functioning based off my external identity and follow the society's path and struggling with that just and other stuff gives me fomo for many of the relevant things. But when I'm driven I'm happy with being able to drive my own life.
It's easy to find direction. It's hard to consider your desired direction viable if it's not one of the few railroads society offers by default. Especially if people are constantly telling you how unrealistic your desired path in life is, or if you want to go against certain values people generally hold which you personally think are wrong.
That experience of FOMO is so wildly different from my own. I don’t care about living someone else’s life or outsourcing my goals and values. I have those things internally. My FOMO came from the fact that I am extroverted and value time with friends. I also had some insecurity about whether my friends actually liked me. Whenever my friends gathered without inviting me, it felt like betrayal. As if we weren’t real friends. I would be sitting at home, my social battery draining instead of charging due to the isolation. That’s my experience and that is why my experience of FOMO doesn’t line up with anything in this video.
Honestly I randomly decided to start studying chess, and just giving myself the goal of being 2000 rated one day has helped immensely....I study every day and just the act of staying on my study plan makes me feel so much more accomplished even if I'm not seeing immediate results..... I really think the happiness you get from achieving your goals comes from the journey, not the accomplishment itself
I mean what else are we gonna do? Sit there and spiral ever further into a bad mood that eventually consumes us in a panic attack or an emotional breakdown? I have responsibilities that already take everything I have in me.
@@deliciouspops- it’s not that. It’s just you can’t afford to do any of it so you learn to get over the FOMO. No point in wishing if you can’t do anything about it.
I agree with everything EXCEPT for the posting on social media to induce FOMO in others.This can quickly spiral out of control if you don't get enough interactions/likes etc. This is another unhealthy mental trap to fall into. Furthermore, If you are truly content with yourself you don't need to flaunt your experiences or post the things you've achieved on social media.
I think his point was that you can share your achievements with others to reinforce the new progress you've made. It could just be word of mouth conversation or direct texting I'm sure.
I don't think that's the case, or at least it wasn't for me. For example - when I commissioned a tailor to make me a really cool cultist-like robe and then took some pictures in it and posted them online - they didn't get much attention. And it didn't bother me at all. I thought "well, whatever, *I* think they're cool, and that's all that matters". And I'm generally very insecure about myself and can be succeptible to the outside influence, but when you've done something cool, something you've been craving to do for a while - you will feel good regardless of how others react to it
I totally agree. In fact, my husband and I deleted our social medias because we started noticing people becoming (and straight up saying) that they were jealous of what we were doing. Not happy or excited for us, just jealous. So, we went 3 years with no social media, and we were able to focus all our energy on making a huge move onto a homestead that we had been planning for over 7 years. We recently reinstated our facebooks but only to keep track of local farmer's markets and community activities in the new town we live in, and that's all it's going to be for. Having all the extra time away from social media and putting it into bettering ourselves and our lives instead has made things 10x more enjoyable. We are even considering having a kid, and we used to be staunchly against having any of our own until now. 😊
There’s a difference between having pride in your achievements and seeking out validation though, the two aren’t mutually exclusive and you shouldn't let other peoples inability to control their envy dictate your life or habits
Also, inducing FOMO into others won't make you feel like a better human being, knowing that you suffered from FOMO at one point. I'd rather journal or write in a diary or chant a mantra or meditate over my actions.
I very rarely ever had FOMO. I grew up poor so couldn’t afford anything anyway. Learning how to not give a shit really is helpful. I’ve always just focused on my goals and not really cared much about what other ppl are doing. I’ll always be happy to hear about what they’ve done and might put it on my list of goals if it sounds really cool.
Actually, I find that "doing more of what you want in your life in a small way" doesn't just apply to FOMO, it also applies to big dreams and why people have them (or at least speaking for myself: why I have them). I was and to some extent am "struggling" with two things in my life: 1) I have big dreams (somewhat realistic things like wanting to live in a tiny house and travel the world to completely unrealistic stuff like secretly wanting to be able to use magic) 2) My life used to feel very purposeless And I realised at some point that that dream of metaphorically or literally being an "adventurer" comes from me wanting to be more adventurous in my daily life. And it doesn't even have to be as "big" as going camping, it can just be: walking a different route to the supermarket than the one I'm already comfortable with. Or next time I'm going out eating not picking my favorite restaurant again, but trying a different one. (learning new skills also works really well for me). And the more I do that the less purposeless my life feels and the less I depend on "that big trip" to magically solve all problems in my life. I'm still gonna follow my dreams (except for the magic I guess, sadge) because traveling the world sounds like fun, but it's not supposed to magically solve all my problems any more.
Thank you for this! This resonates with me. I quit a lot of social media during the pandemic (because I was having problems with doomscrolling, not necessarily fomo), but I also found that I have some unrealistic goals where this framework can be applied (e.g. goals/dreams where I fix EVERYTHING that's wrong with the world). I can fulfill the value need with very small things without feeling like a failure because I can't do absolutely everything like I would like to.
It’s so toxic because even when i do cool amazing productive stuff ALL THE TIME it’s never enough. I’ve gotten better with it but i used to be soooo anxious because of FOMO. Now i have this impulse but i control it. And I’ve learned that all the things that I’ve feared I’m missing, i got at the end by being patient
I needed this video right now. I am a high school senior and i have a bunch of work and meetings I have to do (FASFA, personal statements, recommendations letters etc.) but I’m deciding to go to this party with my friends because my logic is “I’ll never be this young and beautiful again” . I feel like this is a subtle form of self sabotage and this video came at the perfect time.
so what is your value? connections, grades, knowledge, self-discipline and self-actualisation, just looking cool? not very informative comment, my dude.
yeah to me it feels like Alok has somewhat lost his touch over the years - I couldn't imagine him saying this 2 years ago - he was a Buddhist wasn't he?
This is literally a topic I need to hear about right now. We have a placement season going on in our college and it is so easy to get to a low point seeing so many others grab opportunities you waited all your life for. It is taxing, but Dr. K is my saviour.
I'd gone through this during the "best year for jobs", ie, 2021. I didn't do shit, i didn't know shit. I felt so bad for myself after seeing friends of mine getting placed at these high paying jobs. Luckily for me, I'd got a job (off campus). It was definitely not high paying. It was the furthest from a tech job. But, this job allowed me to figure out what I really wanted to pursue. I hope the best for you, bhai. You got this 💪🏽
Validating as always doc. This vid came out at a great time as I have just come back from a weekend camping/hiking trip I went on alone in celebration of my 26th birthday. I felt compelled to do it as the reality set in that my dangerously small social circle was too preoccupied with other responsibilities and priorities to celebrate with me. I also struggle with low self worth and, even though I deeply crave quality-time with my loved ones, convinced myself that it would not be worth their time to spend their valuable weekend in discomfort from driving, tent camping, and hiking 30+ miles with me. To be honest I booked the trip out of spite, almost to prove that I can have a good time on my own. And that's what ended up happening. Hours and hours in nature, along trails with no other humans for miles. I can't remember the last time I felt so connected with myself. While at some points I wondered if it might have been more fun with a companion, I realized at the end of the hike that even for me it was very physically taxing, so I guess I learned that sometimes going on solo adventures offers unparalleled flexibility. No other things to consider; the only limits are your own. It's only been a week but I definitely sense an improvement. Previously, the only times I would do anything is when invited out with the group, which I was always happy to do but when there was no invite it would wreck my whole weekend. Now I'm slightly more content in my solitude, and find myself more open to exploring new opportunities. 10/10, would recommend 👍
Happy birthday, man! I'm glad to hear that you had a great time. I'm turning 23 next week, and I absolutely dread my birthday😅 I was just thinking where can I escape. Camping sounds perfect!
My FOMO is less abt seeing others having a good time and more abt trying to optimize all my free time to have as good a time as possible. It's like knowing I only have so many free days because of work and school, I have to enjoy my days off to the fullest by doing fun stuff
Rene Girard called the first aspect of FOMO "mimetic desire". He was a French professor of literature but also became a philosopher/ theologian later after discovering this as a frequent theme in fiction.
This value of the cup being full is actually inculcated by my family. My grandmother used to emphasize having good meal at home so we don't end up spending on snacks outside when I was young. Now, when people my age went to college and posted pictures of fancy campus and all their wanderlust, I visited all the temples at my town as my town is having rich cultural heritage. Now when I am about to finish my education and start working full time, I don't see feel that left out that I used to feel initially.
I really feel bad into FOMO last year. I was in a bad state anyway and this furthered that spiral. Turns out the group I felt that with wasn’t the healthiest environment for anyone and since going our separate ways feel so much better. I still get FOMO with my new friend group a bit but it’s so much better than before that I can deal with it far easier.
Haven’t watched just yet but I feel the need for this topic. I’ve spent years NOT gaming and even ditching work/studying for what I’ve dubbed “human FOMO” and I feel like I’m just in limbo. 😵💫
Slowly start to work yourself into a rhythm. Something as simple as making your bed every morning. Add onto it little by little each day. Just one little thing that betters yourself or your day by at least a smidge. Then slowly progress from there. I know you can do it. 😄
Oh my god, I figured this out last year. I no longer buy games on impulse. I don't watch trailers anymore and just ask around for fun movies from friends. I actually FEEL like I'm getting to properly know ME. My individuality as a person has become so much more in line with my subconscious, that even my confidence has skyrocketed because this mindset has essentially grounded me into my own shoes. FOMO is a marketing trick designed to make your mind go blank and consume to fit in. The irony is, you'll chase the endless and souless media consumption life, and then have FOMO for all the wasted years spent on trying to keep up with others.
I've been helping my family with this. I'm pretty much immune to it since I have hobbies anchoring my need to wander into desired realms but... We all still need some degree of FOMO to progress in life though. Games and Arts are too good at eliminating FOMO to the point where one can grow up with little to no aspirations.
It was hard letting go of most of the things I thought I wanted that either others were doing or fit into a certain window of my timeline. It occasionally crops up and bothers me still, but despite my medical and financial woes this Summer I still went kayaking, gamed online with others, grew tomatoes and basil and peppers, and even went to a metal concert. And I didn't post a single public pic. You Can't have other people's experiences, just occasional overlap with differing narratives, so you are better off making your own memories. Because grocery chain tomatoes are flavorless rubbish.
No joke i absolutely love your videos man.... first off your life is interesting (from what little i know of it) and that makes me so much more inclined to listen. But honestly just hearing someone explain why the brain does what it does makes my head calm right down....i really don't actually have any issues emotionally or anything but like everyone i get anxious sometimes and you really help calm the noise if you understand what I'm saying
holy heck, this is awesome. Looking back, I can recognize that I have been doing this and feeling better at the days I do it. Until now, I wasn't able to put my finger on it, so it was always a hit or miss. Rather than trying to go for the final boss, just going for a regular mob is sufficient enough and in fact, a nice step to progress towards final boss, because by that point final boss won't feel like a boss at all. I can see that now, thanks!
The satisfaction solution reminds me of what I do when I can't be with my friends on regular hangouts. I usually do something with the mindset that I'm doing it in parallel with them. I try to mentally close the distance between us, making it feel like I'm not missing out in the first place.
Hi Dr K, I saw the video you had with ExtraEmily and I wanted to make a suggestion of you could bring on next, to be honest I feel like Emiru has something going on behind the scenes that is affecting her, obviously I don’t know her personally but getting a real look into how ExtraEmily is feeling was really eye-opening and I would love to see one for Emiru. She’s such a great person and I think she would be a great guest for the channel.
I have developed a strange FOMO with photographing things and places I go to, it's like I have to photograph stuff or else I will lose the moment forever.
8:00 what if my psychological need is pretty simple: “not to feel any bad no more” (leaving aside the reasons for chronologically feeling bad - unrelated to “fomo”, but still implying that you are missing “the cake”)
1000 years ago I would have still been the recluse I am today. I must be broken, I have never had fomo, I am a little introverted as in I love to stay at home and learn things and build things. I take care of both my elderly parents, I am 40 and it fulfills me to help them because they were not great parents by any metric, but they did the best they were able to do and they showed me love. I got diagnosed with ADHD this year 1 month before I turned 40 back in July of this year, now I have time to slow down, help them and discover who I am.
I stopped having FOMO when I realized my true purpose in life is to be myself, because nobody else can be myself in this world, be careful to not get trapped into the life other people wants for you, even if it is a good one, live the life that suits you. Everybody has a purpose, you don't need to know which it is to fulfill it, the same way you don't need to buy something to appreciate how gorjuss it is. Once I accepted I don't need to have the control over the fulfilling of the purpose because the purpose is living my life itself, just living my life, I felt free and accomplished.
I would love to have a conversation with you. Perfectly spoken and explained as always! I asked my friends recently how much time do y'all spend scrolling scratching their nuts (or flaps for the women in the group), since I often catch myself ingesting youtube shorts vomit, and they all said yeah... a while. Everyones making a conscious effort to reach out (since everyones at uni or living their "fomo" best lives) and everyone's happier. Live your best lives homies 👑🤙🏻
That’s me rn😂😂 I’ve been jealous of what others are doing like how do they do it on this wack paycheck I don’t get it. I really needed something like this thank u
Huh, never even thought about FOMO in that way. For me it always shows up more as timed things I want to do, and therefore feel pressure to do them before they're gone and impossible. It has nothing to do with what other people are doing in this case.
Until ~3 years ago I never really experienced FOMO. It started with corona-distancing and being jealous of people for having families, like parents and stuff. I am currently working on my masters thesis, spending even more time alone. I usually write at home, bc the library is too noisy. Ironically, writing in a café or in the same room with my boyfriend gaming is fine. Also, I am afraid that I won't get to live my life when working as a teacher and having children, so there is the time aspect too. And also I feel like I need to make up for bad decisions in the past. That creates a lot of pressure to make the best of the moment. Which is usually a good approach, but right now doesn't feel freeing as usual. On the contrary, it makes me tense. And this is so much more about emotions than anything else.
It gets a bit trickier when you couple it with that alexithymia you talk about in other videos -- figuring out those internal values and wants without external stimuli.
I felt like I'm missing out on relationships and more intimate connections for a long time. And nothing really seemed to fix it. But recently I started using some apps to connect with new people, and while it's just talking online with some people, it is still talking with someone with similar views on these things, and it actually made me feel a lot more content, even if it was a very small step. So this definitely does work
It’s insane how coincidentally good the timing of this channel happens to be. I’ve noticed FOMO has controlled every aspect of my recent life for a long time, every time I put something off or put it for later because I’m terrified that “what if I don’t do X and Y happens?” It’s kept me chained to my bad habits for years.
Hey man could you talk about "enlightenment" or, in more normal terms, the realization that the thought world is an illusion and that we're not our thoughts and how that helps in day to day life and how this aligns with science? Seeing that the mind world is an illusion feels like getting out of the matrix and I had a few glimpses of that, it's quite awesome, but it's also so normal that it's such a shame that we can't see it, it's such a basic knowledge to see that it's not real. Seems to be worth pursuing. That could impact a lot of what you're saying as then seeing the "8 billion" people will be clearly seen as thought concept and not ultimately real and so on. I'm curious to see your more down to earth perspective, I'm tired of listening to this spiritual delusional jargon.
You have no idea how perfect the timing of this video was for me. I needed this yesterday, but this is great too. Thank you for spreading positivity in the world for free. It's amazing how a change of perspective can change your feelings about a situation.
Thank you for posting videos and having perfect timing again. I had a terrible case of fomo 2 days ago to the point of deleting Instagram in rage, so I need to watch this video intently.
I think the condition I have is the feeling of not making enough memories with my friends and that's why i strongly feel obligated to go to parties/clubs when those aren't what I really want to do. Do you have any suggestions as to solve my issue? I know making new friends is a solution but i find that challenging; at least at this moment.
I get fomo with media consumption, I have this huge backlog of games, movies and shows that I feel desparate to experience, not because I'm interested in them, but because Ive heard theyre good or were recomended by a friend. Im trying to change my mindset on that
Defibutely have FOMO along with some form of ADHD. The result: Too much in debt. But now, I don’t care what others are doing when I’m busy creating myself.
For me, I get a little upset if I see that my friend group decided to hang out without me, and I do sometimes get sad about missing out when something sounds like it was really cool, but I don’t really get FOMO for day-to-day stuff. Weirdly, I do get it about death though? The idea that I will miss out on stuff after I die (say for example, a tv show I would’ve loved) really upsets me. I’d assume that it’s something to do with the fact that while I’m alive, there’s some degree to which I have the ability to attend these events I’m missing out on (even if to actually attend them I would suddenly need to win the lottery, or quit my job, or something else drastic). Whereas when I’m dead, that’s it. I won’t even really ‘miss out’ on these events so much as I’ll just ‘miss’ them. Does anyone else experience this?
I think have this one. Fomo but not on people's live but in community i was in they post frequently incident sh unalived anything morbid to grotesque to death now it trigger me like every morning i need to be updated i need to know what is happening on that particular video. Morbid curiosity feeds my mind. My gf know this she even joke i would turn into psychopath which is impossible lol but she help me occupied my mind into do different things been a month since i across on that community.
This is very true. Most people are doing real boring stuff on the regular. I use to painfully try to follow around with that. Hanging around at bars. But I don't drink..and I am always just like. Wanting to go do something and theydont wanna. But one day I just ran away and started doing all the extreme sports.. flying planes. Living it up alone. Now I got a skater crew I surf with the boys and do all the things I dreamed of. Have friends that are a little too positive.. like I am.. and aren't always wanting to stay inside and drink. I can't believe I use to fear missing out on THAT and now I have friends that I can do active healthy things with.. that agree with my level of ambition. That wanna pursue such thing. You gotta just move on. Find others who have your level of ambition
Another problem when you get rid of FOMO is you being content with whatever condition you're in... I can't move because its a drag, and i don't really have any drive because i'm content..
You know what's funny is that once you stop having FOMO you also stop carrying about inducing FOMO on someone else and you just end up living your life. You don't have the urge for someone to be jealous about how you do it, in fact you just want everyone to be as happy and content as you are. And this is how you know that you truly let go
I think tiktok is so addicting because 2 reasons. 1 FOMO (people are doing it so you should do it) and 2 the lack of excitement in our lives in the modern world.
Hi. Great video. It made me think. Is there something like 'jomo ruining your life'? Because, if there is, I thing it would be marvelous to see Dr. K explaining it. Asking for a friend of course.
The example with the child makes so much sense to me. I think we often forget though what looks fun on the outside may not be that fun for those involved. There’s a lot of fake smiles and happiness online. They could be struggling with something we know nothing about. I usually get fomo when it’s a nice day out, but I can’t enjoy it in that moment. I live up north so our nice days our limited and they make me feel good.
since i removed facebook 6 days ago from my phone in combination with no more youtube shorts(never watched tiktok). my concentration went up and my evil thoughts are way less and easier to keep onder control
This is a great video and has very important lessons. But I don’t like the reference to the reptilian brain very much. I know it’s used as a metaphor but it’s not clearly used that way. Even then we can create better metaphors based on the information we have now about the brain. Anyway, it’s a great video, very helpful like all the others in this channel. Thanks Dr K !
Great points except the part about inducing FOMO into other people. If anything that seems very egotistical that you would want others to feel FOMO. No one should feel FOMO in my opinion, so you shouldn't contribute to it. I myself have not been on social media for years now and I feel so much more free, like a weight has been lifted off of my shoulders. Now I just live my life how I want to and be positive towards other people as much as possible
Lots of smart words, but the fundamental problem is not knowing what is it I both want to do *and* be good at. This is really confusing cause and effect. The root cause is lack of direction in life; everything else, including fomo, is the effect of that.
I always feel not refresh after . What makes a drink refreshing. Will it cure? Gives ⚡. is it electrolytes? 9:35 i am critical think and what u say is better than desire value is not value as desire
I think it's also worth mentioning that FOMO can be completely solitary too. For example, you might feel obligated to keep watching a show you don't enjoy, or you might worry/stress about missing RU-vid uploads from your subscriptions. Are these not ultimately rooted in a fear of missing out on something?
I feel this is similar to how I feel FOMO, and it results in me buying more video games than I can play. I have FOMO -- I want to have this game physically so I can get back some of my money if I don't like it, or preserve it if I do. Or so I can hang on to it and experience it without it ever becoming a vintage game I can no longer afford to try later when I actually have the time. The problem is I don't have time to read all the books I want, play all the video games I want, or learn all the cool things I want. I think maybe I just need to figure out what's really important to me and try to work on my self-control, though it is heavily influenced by FOMO, and missing out on cool games in the past for all the above reasons.
I've had similar experiences, and I think (for me at least) the reason was wanting to FEEL something while playing games or watching shows. I was trying to live through the characters on screen, because my life didn't really have any direction or sense, I had a lot of unfulfilled needs. I was always looking at the next game like "wow maybe this will finally make me happy" but it snowballed into a bunch of impulse buying and a large backlog. If you're feeling similar to this I'd think you should try to find out what you want to feel when playing a game or watching a show, or looking at what made you really emotional or what resonated with you in them. Then apply what Dr. K suggested in the vid. Like for example, when I reached the last (true) ending while playing Nier Automata, I got really emotional during the credits sequence (if you played you know what I mean), and it was due to the feeling of companionship that it made me feel, and I think it's because I really didn't have true friends back then (an unfulfilled need). Sorry if my English was bad. Hope I helped someone!
@@zemiq1982 I can't deal with all of your problems but at least "missing out on cool games in the past" is totally can be dealt with. I bet you'll be surprised to know that I'm writing this from Windows7 having only ~3y.o. hardware so I can play modern games[if it's at least theoretically possible] while having almost 100% compatibility with all "older" ones I like and want to have access to. Not sure about "win11 specific" hardware, but you always can buy used "older" hardware/separate laptop for such things while keeping your main PC up to date. Ofc eventually(I'm not gonna hurry this time tho) I'll go dual-boot with Win10 and when that will be impossible - will keep Win7 on my "gaming" laptop. If you are not familiar with tech as well yourself - just ask a friend/"order" picking needed hadware and setting up older OS for you. There are *much more* possible than newspaper sites and it's "experts" tells you. P.S. Tho it may seems "childish" now, I remember when I was a kid and internet as as thing haven't existed in my life, I was *really* regretting missing even single episode on Naruto which I loved back than... Only to ~4years later to discover that none of these "old" shows are "lost" because "TV air has ended" and they are in fact preserved on special places by many enthusiasts. I guess it may count as first "turning point" of doubting about people calling some things "impossible"(and also viewing them by myself)[tho I guess you can already conclude that if I managed to stick with my loved OS up to this time despite "unsupported"(c) hardware and "missing drivers"(c) XD]
Fomo is not letting me do one thing chasing everything thats comming my way is making me miserable I don't know if its curiosity but iam literally intrested in everything
FOMO is such a big deal at conventions with so much going on at once, so many cool people to meet and talk to, as well as so many spontaneous events just happening to happen.
I'd say that at quite time[and not only]-limited conventions' case it has a bit more sense than what was this video about. I'd say it's more about planning/time-management. Like, ofc you don't want to feel hurried all the time when you came there, but at the same time "stucking" on the one spot for the whole day while you could've met people you wanted not worth it that much on bigger scale. Like, usually I read all program beforehand and see what I can found interesting, whether it overlaps with each other and if so - what I want to attend more. And despite tough schedule I'd say I managed to get 80-90% of photos I wanted, seeing near same amount of performances and also having time to "mindlessly roam around" among souvenirs tables "wasting" as much time as I want because I know in advance at which time I should be in the next place. Tho maybe it's worth notice that I was attending "solo" so my main purpose was to fulfill everything I want. Tho ofc there were +-acquaintances who perceived that convention as "just another cause to get drunk"(to put it rough)/to hang out with their "stack" meaning [missing out on] that specific convention wasn't bothering them that much in the first place. Welp... It's not for me. I can't treat once-per-year(or even rarer...) event as "just another 'reason' to get drunk", it can be any [other] weekend for such a purpose [imho].
