Subaru WRX vs Elantra N, Civic Si, and VW GTI | You Can't Lose 

Well do you want a sports car or an economy car? Sounds like a you problem

@Sohc_Vtec when he said he was watching videos of Supra’s and BMW’s you clown. Reread his comment if you’re struggling so much.

@Sohc_Vtec oh is the Civic and WRX super high performance cars to you? 🤣 goofy man….goofy…. They’re economy cars bud

@Sohc_Vtec oh is the Civic and WRX super high performance cars to you? 🤣 goofy man….goofy…. They’re economy cars bud

I so agree, though with the median car price being near $40k, it's hard to define affordable. Below median price? Under $50k? I think the group they selected makes a lot of sense, with all under $35k. I do wish they had done a better job of defining who they were intending this for. Mark may ne able to afford a high-performance weekend car, but that's an expensive extra most people won't have. Jack can get a little nutty about German cars, but at least he was clear that they had to be cars that worked on the street as a primary vehicle. The Elantra is mildly compromised as a daily driver, but not that much. It's still reasonably quiet driven normally, and the ride isn't so stiff as to be painful. With the DCT it's an even better daily driver. For me the ridiculous controls would drop the GTI out of contention. I like the styling and have always loved the size and boxy hatchback, but that's not enough. The Subaru is improved, and if I lived in a harsh climate the AWD might sell me on it, but it still looks like the previous generation, which looked horribly dated, too. That interior is nasty, the trunk is not great, and the infotainment is weak. It would be great if that engine and AWD system was under a better car, something like the Civic Si. The Honda would be very tempting because of its smoothness, ease of use, spaciousness, low price, and high gas mileage. As an everyday car it would be super appealing, if uncompetitive as a performance car. I also wish it came as a hatchback. Guess I have to get an Integra, or wait for the R. That may be a little too hardcore for daily use, but maybe Honda will solve that dilemma.

​@Rapunzel ♪ What the fuck?

OMG Greg is awesome to see you here. Love your channel!

Finally it has arrived... ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-MNtCawGYGs4.html

Exactly what I thought. I miss those days where I’d do endurance races in GT3 all night.

@@drummeralex9198 Being a car enthusiast is like being a power-tool enthusiast.

This is how I sum it up as well. It’s just fun and practical and it works for me as a daily driver.

@@stabshimi976 only downside is the small gas tank I would say imo

@@almightykevinnn tbf I think the Si, GTI, and EN all have a similar 13 gallons. Which puts the EN on par with the WRX in terms of range per tank while being cheaper to fill

@@Courtesyflush52 even tho it’s 93 ?

@@almightykevinnn I think the WRX and EN both recommend 91 as per the manuals/ gas caps

It's also a call out to viewers who are basic enough to make those videos popular.

@Michael Charity you might feel triggered by my comment, but the nature of successful media is to be sociopathic and pander to what people want to see and hear, not necessarily what the creator wants to convey. I might hate the game, but I don't hate the players. Savage Geese choose specific formats despite that they see other channels finding success at what Jack and Mark find a little distasteful.

I immediately thought of carwow

@Michael Charity weird flex but okay.

@Michael Charity you confuse what people want versus what people will tolerate.

...nahhh, sudden death matches happen at midnight on a low traffic highway...6pm is the pre-match trash talking

The Elantra N beat all similar cars on autocross track with multiple drivers switching cars constantly. Including BMW M240 I, GR 86, Subaru WRX, MX-5.

@@NewCastleIndiana is this a video on RU-vid or something that happened at your local club?

@@punkindrublic001 I am unaware of any publicly available video. I don’t have any local club. Not sure anyone would want to be identified. I likely do have photo of timing sheet, though. You can email me and I can see if I got something I can share.

@@NewCastleIndiana thanks bud, got it! Not sure how you found me on SD however

​@@punkindrublic001 trying to find somewhere to drop that for you. I have fuelly, too! you need to follow SD's "Official Auto Car Ride & Drive Events:"

Why? Does your balls hang low, can you throw them over your shoulder... 🎵 🎶

Got rid of my balls to increase my lap times.

the CIVIC is t best looking ... ELANTRA N is the best performer ...

Lol

Exactly. I hate the videos for the top .1% of people who can afford them. The reality is that this is what the majority of enthusiast are buying nowadays. It has to take the kids to school and be able to hit the track. This is just the reality for the 99.9% of us.

Agreed! The super car head-to-heads actually get boring after a while. You start to realize there's a lot of overexaggerating for the camera which makes it feel like you're watching a kid's show.

Idk about you but this channel doesnt seem to focus all that much on super cars. Very wide variety of cars. Though I tend to watch more of the affordable end than anything else. Rarely am I interested in high end cars (100k+).

A Golf R, new Civic Type R, and GR Corolla comparison would be fantastic.

Yes! These comparison videos take a lot more work I imagine, but provide lots of value. I feel it's difficult to compare feedback of similarly rated cars between different videos. Having it done as comparison in a single video takes the guess work out of the picture. That's a real value add.

the CIVIC is t best looking ... ELANTRA N is the best performer ...

@@thepiratepenguin_ I can't imagine what a 1.6 liter, 3-cylinder turbo would sound like on a 10-hour road trip. But - I can imagine having fun with it at a race track.

@@gorgonismztruth1551 Maybe on a smooth track with perfect traction. But put it against a WRX on a mountain road with switchbacks, and the AWD system of the WRX will allow it to quickly pull any of these other cars. Even on a track, you take a driver who knows how to exploit the traction of that WRX and leverage the balance of the symmetrical drivetrain, and he’s going to put the others in his rearview mirror.

LOL good luck tuning the elantra. Those engines grenade and can't handle power

@@42cubastop the cap. 😂

There are clear biases / badge snobbery in their videos. Just be aware, SG is hardly impartial and doesn't try to be.

@@dannnsss8034 What is the badge snobbery you're talking about? I know they have their preferences but I am seemingly unfamiliar with their snobbery.

Yeah. Their VW and Audi bias is blatant despite being among the least reliable and most expensive to own cars they review. These guys are all about click bate and being courted by car manufacturers.

@@sharedknowledge6640maybe you’re the one who should pull their head out their ass and realize that both the brands you mentioned have been making very reliable cars in the past decade. Especially VW

And base models.

My dad has a 2013 hyundai sonata and there's been so many recalls on it. Engine, seat belts, air bags, fuel system, etc. He's had the car for a little less than 8 years, and nearly every year since he finds out about a new recall.

@@factsmatter6980 Every manufacturer has recalls. As long as they fix the issue I don't see the problem. Costs you nothing.

@@factsmatter6980 Wow its almost like that car is 9 years old

@@factsmatter6980 Sure, all manufacturers have recalls but which have the MOST recalls? And which have the most ENGINE-RELATED recalls? On both accounts, consistently, it's HYUNDAI. No thanks. They've been making vehicles for decades yet they still haven't figured things out? Why bother with Hyundai at all.

To be fair 99% of cars have had no depreciation since March 2020 hahahaha but very cool car

Fancy seeing you here. :). Nearly copped an ND Miata before Rona and regret not doing so. Enjoy!

That's great...some of us need more doors and a solid roof. I have a 19 wrx base and wish I got the limited instead. I've learned not to buy a base Subaru. Is possible, the base spec miata is a better spec'd base than the wrx. Or Mazda shrunk the (feature) gap btwn the base and grand touring trims.

the CIVIC is t best looking ... ELANTRA N is the best performer ...

@@ZeroFidelity Sean, it would be awesome for you to review car stereos. No one is doing this well, and your approach whether on your own or partnering with SG would make for very interesting content.

SG reminds me of Car and Driver magazine back in the 80s and 90s. They would call out crappy cars and poor features

The long balls comment at around 3:50 😂

@Incomudro As soon as I read your C&D comment I realize you're absolutely correct. I started reading it in '87 and remained a loyal subscriber until too much of the old guard retired. Spot on comparison.

@@markpainter6988 Right? And, and thank you! Yes, those witty, sarcastic and fun day of C&D in the 80's.

I rewatch the Pacifica video pretty often.

Back during the 8th gen (fg2 and fa5) with the k20z3 engine, not only was it practical as hell, it sounded like a race car with that 8200 redline. That car was FUN

@@kevinkim9620 that’s what I have! It’s starting to feel pretty dated now though. Lusting after a new one.

GTI is obviously a better daily street car

@@kevinkim9620 I think the K24Z7 from the 9th-gen Si is still in production. Would the Si be compelling if it still had that engine? It would be the only naturally aspirated car in its class (putting aside the two-door & now also 2.4L GR86), but obviously a 2.4L Si's fuel consumption would be horrible compared to the L15B7. The complaints of the 9th-gen Si, that the handling was a bit soft unless you got the HFP package, seem to have been fixed by Honda now and now the standard Si seems to handle pretty well.

@@fhowland Nah, new cars are worse. I've done the 2.0 turbo thing both old-school and modern twin-scroll, and I prefer the K20Z4 (FN2) by far. It's so much snappier and more fun for a street car! I could not care less that it's a little bit slower, the modern 2.0 twin-scroll was quicker but it simply was not more fun, not by any means [the engine sounded and felt like a blender, not nice at all :(].

Ooooorrr you can live in Canada where dealer markup are illegal and the most they can sell you at is MSRP!

Yup most civic si are being sold around 40k after mark up, accessories, and ttl

@@sephiros9883 one advantage just like with your conversion rate you get wrx for 24k meanwhile it starts 30k for us lol

@@sephiros9883 what are you talking about? That’s not true

I paid sticker last month for a new GTI.

Most people buy CUV and SUV. If it works and has apple car play and looks fashionable they mostly don't care.

How bad is the ride on the street I've thought about ordering one

@@wesgreen2812 not bad at all.. you can change the suspension for the street

@@wesgreen2812 much smoother than I thought it would be. Personally I didn’t like the seats or the plastic grab handle in the middle but the N is a joy to drive.

@@wesgreen2812 Totally liveable if you adjust it to the mild setting. If you put in N mode, which is the most intense mode, you will lose some fillings.

V8 mustang?

The koreans are just killing it, plus they have the best stock warranty

I know everybody says it but those touch buttons are just a dealbreaker no matter what

The GTI is still too soft. It needs solid bushings in key suspension areas vs the bushings that have voids and compliance built in. The solid bushings add feel/firmness w/o the harshness most ppl think they do.

@@everydaybodybuilding2282 a sedan is also a deal breaker in a lot of cases.

@@K03sport in Europe they have the GTI Clubsport which is basically a fwd Golf R, but even faster.

the CIVIC is t best looking ... ELANTRA N is the best performer ...

@@gorgonismztruth1551 the si looks horrible. Gti is best looking.

@@gorgonismztruth1551 the civic is boring as hell!

@@ll.7927 Civic is going for that retro styling from the early 2000's

@@stephenkim589 nah hell no. It’s ugly doesn’t look retro at all. I still own my 95 integra gsr that’s fully built n this new si is horrible. Even the new type r still iffy to me.

I'm in Toronto. Mines coming in July. World rally blue. Sport tech. Can't wait. Did these guys mention what the real world HP is? I think they said all the cars are underrated

How are you liking yours I just got mine in ceramic White :)

I got a sport tech aswell but in black in halifax. It's a blast on the twisty back roads

probably not before some teenager steals it.

I mean, the manufacturer guarantees the engine for 10 years or 100k miles

@@jamesjosh they all fight tooth and nail to not honor their warranties. it’s a business not a charity.

even aspects like if you got kids beyond the garage, or a wife that would drive or that potentially wants to drive stick on occasion they get into the "tech" implementations on the trans/shifting/gearing profiles or smart/shift etc. As well as their coverage with automatic trans/dct options. They really break down the necessary perspective/aspects to how to correctly judge a car as a future owner vs just offering "insights" of strengths for would be fanatics that really have no interest in ownership.

Unfortunately it’s let down by being FWD. if they added AWD and made it a proper WRX competitor it would probably mop the floor with them all

I'm sorry you can't drive. DCT was not part of this comparison because it's cheating. This was a real fair comparison.

@@billydee1879 lmao, I bet you believe I’m not a man because I didn’t choose the manual version too. Wouldn’t be surprised if you drive a Dodge Charger, but it’s ok to drive an automatic in one of those. It’s not 1960 anymore, new automatics are becoming the more powerful option.

@@billydee1879 how is DCT cheating? Would AWD be deemed cheating as well, since it has a MAJOR advantage in grip off the line?

@@sleeper.simulant7327 Dude what? It ALREADY mops the floor with the WRX. They don't need to add AWD to it. Just like the Civic Type R mops the floor with the STi and pretty much any other AWD performance car in its price range. The Elantra N doesn't need the complexity and cost of AWD unless they want to give it a significant power upgrade, which would end up putting it in a higher price bracket. The car is fine as is.

I've checked at least 20 dealers, no Si no GTI no WRX no N products. They're all sold out. Even with these crazy markups. This dealership system needs to go down, needs to go down fast. On the other hand; I've a Ford Maverick order in place, and it's been 6 months, not a single email or news about it's build date 🤷🏻‍♂️🤷🏻‍♂️ So that's that.

These are crazy days. When I drove the Elantra N last month it was the only MT in the state of Arizona, and was marked up $4K.

@@agrisizkulak a ford maverick, LMFAO

GTI has least markups mate..

@@roboticvenom1935not in Arizona, alas.

DSG is way better, I hate that they mentioned DCT elantra N is faster(most expensive car here besides WRX) but didn't mention that the BEST transmission here is the VW's DSG(superior to hyundais newer DCT) and how it also makes the GTI faster. GTI also responds to mods insanely well, by far the best out of the bunch besides the new 2.4 wrx

I agree that most shoppers of these cars are shopping for their one and only car. I was such a shopper and for a long time my MK7 GTI was my only car. However, I'm still glad Mark offered a different opinion. His ratings offer a different perspective that results in a more comprehensive review. Now that I also have an NA Miata, I especially appreciate the refinement the GTI offers.

Mark is just getting old lol

I don't think anyone with "weekend car" money is shopping for any of these.

@@JaRW7 Jack had a GTI at one point along with his C7. He replaced the GTI with the new BRZ, which is maybe $5k more than these cars. TheTopher (another car RU-vidr) recently bought his new Civic Si and he has at least 1 weekend car.

@@JaRW7 ah it depends. I’m looking for a weekend car to race but I can’t afford to pay 50k for one. So this is the limited market I’m in. I have my Durango for long road trip n if I need to tow anything. N then I have my Jetta for work travel.

The n-line Elantra premium is the one to go for for comfort

If you're willing to add your own sound deadening, the experience would be mint. The noise in my veloster n is just meh for long trips.

@@2010ngojo what would that involve? Sound deadening the floor and doors?

@@mharro88 mostly the flooring and door panels, but anywhere that doesn't have any deadening would help slightly. To do it properly, you need to pretty much tear out the interior to the bare chassis metal. Then put layers of different materials. It could add up to 100 pound to the weight of the car tho (for a proper installation), just something to keep it mind. But if you plan on keeping it for long, I'd say it's worth trying. Maybe do sections at a time, like doors and trunk area first, then the main body. It's time and labor intense for diy tho.

@@2010ngojo yeah cool , sounds doable though.. from your experience did you notice it reduce Db noticeably?

You’ll get the hang of it in a few days. I drove a brand new si home without any experience, sketchy as hell and stalled out a few times, but by the end of the week I was fine. Nervous still, but fine lol

Do it! You won't regret it.

You'll learn. Evwryone used to drive manuals, and they managed. However, don't feel like you have to to get more out of a car. The best autoboxes are superb and almost always give better 0-60 times and better gas mileage. They're also much more pleasant in stop-and-go traffic, of you have a tough commute. The Hyundai's DCT has been much praised, and I'd buy it every time over a fairly poor manual.

@@markmiller3279 better gas mileage in the city. Manual gets better highway mpg

Better because practice makes perfect