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@@madanigaming6595 to be fair the old guys don’t need to be checked. They want to make money. They’re willing to play ball. It’s the kids. They’re all doing things that are directly counter productive to Karl and gerri. They’re antagonizing them because they can’t separate business from personal feelings. They’re trying to tank a deal that is great for everyone out of sentimental reasons. And Gerri has been flat out disrespected and fired.
Exactly. The kids aren't used to any consequences being permanent. Logan jerked them around all the time but they always bounced back. I remember Marcia telling Shiv that Logan "built her a playground and she thought it was the whole world" - they've always had the safety net of the family money and power. The only thing they've ever had to worry about was crossing Logan.
@@ReubenModeXXX That was after Roman's big fuck up of accidentally sending Logan the pics, which pissed Gerri off as it caused Logan to treat her more harshly and try to close her out of the circle
@@ReubenModeXXX you could argue that Roman betrayed her trust first by trying to send her a dick pic after she explicitly told him to not send her them anymore at the beginning of the episode. Which is probably why Gerri had to go through with the deal in the first place (and like what would Gerri even have been able to do? She was a puppet CEO), Logan has just learned that his son would regularly send dick pics to the interim CEO, she had to try and stay in his good graces. Everything that has happened between Roman and Gerri is absolutely all on Roman and his lack of boundaries
Seriously lol. I loved all the people saying roman was right to fire her. Like do you not remember how Ludacris he is hahah dick pics flying everywhere
One could argue that Roman was in a sense abused by Gerri who was much more mature and knew deep psychological problems he had, knew nothing good would come out of it, betrayed responsibility before the company and Logan and exploited Roman's deviances for fun and leverage, leaving him broken and degraded
Roman shouldn't have pushed Gerri that far, I can't believe she's gone so soon and it's all his fucking fault. Glad she twisted the knife "I could've have gotten you there [chuckles] but no, nope" she did help him a lot but he never respected her or tried to take lessons from her advice.
I'm more so with Gerri in this but let me say, she wasn't great either and truly gave Roman the wrong idea. Gerri said "I could've helped you get to the top" but when he asked "I need you to believe I'm as good as my dad" she didn't answer and basically told him he sucks. As a worker as well as a glorified Aunty, she did wrong there.
@@razzprince2877 No because if she had told him he was Logan’s equal she would have been lying to him. I know as interim co ceo he was over her but she is also a high ranking executive. Your lieutenants need to tell you hard truths, they are not there just to be yes men and tell you whatever you want to hear.
@@razzprince2877cannot believe the amount of man children like you who think Roman was correct in that interaction. As good as his dad??? Come the fuck on. She could have helped him get to the top, but she wasn't going to feed his ego like a big narcissistic baby while doing that. That's not Gerri.
@@razzprince2877 you missed the part where he was being horrible to her and demanding her to tell that she believed he can be like Logan is delusional, also here she's talking about before he harrased her, she was on his side until he compromised her.
@@fightsports66 I don't think the issue was with the answer but with the expression of it. I mean saying "You're minding shop" or "You're a weak monarch" to your boss in any capacity is just wrong and Roman had a right to take that to offence. Not to mention, she knows Roman better than most.... She knew that would sting. Again, I'm not on Romans side but I also don't think Gerri is completely blameless. I feel like people (including Gerri) forget Romans dad has literally just died a few days prior too and isn't in the right frame of mind (very clearly)
God, Roman would be the top kid if he had self control. Gerri is right that she could have gotten him there. If Roman had just limited his sexual relationship with her to the occasional mommy domme roleplay scene he could have had it all.
if roman wasnt so freaking weird for no reason he could get there. all the kids are very f up but Kendall and shiv are kinda functional from a business point of view. at least they know how business works in a technical level. Roman is just...too weird. too mentally F*cked up by trauma.
@@ricardorivera7549 Roman had more competent achievements in Logan's eyes than the other two. Kendall is too focused on himself and Roman is smarter than she thinks she is; Roman did the management training program and got enough achievements under his belt to actually be able to do the job…but he's just mentally fucked as you said, and can't do it for that reason.
As incompetent as Shiv and Kendall are they don't let their emotions get in the way of the business as much as Roman does. He's clearly a great negotiator and seems like he's got a solid grasp on the business. He just shoots himself in the foot by being so impulsive and emotional
@@UdyKumra Roman as COO was viewed as a Joke by the market according to Stewie. Logan brough Frank back in no time. After that during Roman's brief time as CO CEO he fired two senior executives and cost the company hundreds of millions(and just because they hurt his feelings) he failed to do the Living Plus presentation with Ken, confessed to Matson that they were not selling(thus undermining his plan). He failed to read Mencken and prevent the deal and became a laughing stock after his father''s funeral (which was unfair, but the guy always cracked, sometimes not even under pressure). Logan referred to the management program as business kindergarder. What makes you think he had more competent achievements in Logan's eye? He was always the third choice, he was just considered after Ken and Shiv really fucked up.
He's never had to deal with the consequences of a single thing so this is new to him. Even when he blew up people's thumbs in the rocket launch he accelerated, he didn't see any drawback whatsoever from that
@@gezenews tbf roman did NOT had a point. gerri wasnt chastizing him like a kid. she was doing her job as the lawyer of the company. roman was f*n up firing Joy and putting them in position of a lawsuit in the middle of negotiations w mattson, which could ruin the deal. she literally only did her job, told him the risks of firing her without proper procedure and he felt offended.
@@gezenewsmao, you think he's going to "stick it to this bitch"? What show are you even watching? Roman is on the verge of losing control of everything and the faith of everyone, as he does with Connor in the scene literally right after this one. He's not going to one-up at business someone who's made it her career, while he's just sat around playing with daddy's hand me downs. He'll be lucky to make it out of the season alive at this rate
She won't sue him if he keeps his word, the money and respecting her narrative, that's all he has to do, he's filthy rich, it costs him nothing paying what she's asking for and she is gone.
Roman over shiv in any way of a professional matter is bananas to me. Yeah she doesn’t have the experience but any experience Roman has on the job is negative.
honestly all the kids suck. the old dinosaurs are corrupts and total leeches, but all 3 of them are thousand times better leading the company than any of the siblings. specially frank or gerri. gerri already did it just fine. Frank was the vice president 20 years. he knows a thing or two about the company.
Logan seemed determined to undermine his sons' (at least Roman's and Kendall’s) sex lives. #creepy Granted, the d pix are inappropriate, but Logan said really cruel things about G. Then he made Roman fire her, like making the Nazi soldier kill his beloved dog. Logan wanted to drive a wedge/ triangulate them. --Same thing with Kendall and the "awesome" actresss. Kendall immediately dumped her, despite the enjoyable sex marathons and with no regard for upending her stage acting plans --because of his father’s disdain for her. *And* just like when Logan made Kendall send Naomi home from the yacht, though because!) Kendall benefitted from the emotional support. The icing on the cake is the gaslighting - Logan acting like he didn't direct Kendall to send Naomi home.(!) In contrast, Logan tells Pinky that Tom "is a good man." Logan seems to like when Tom makes direct reports serve as human furniture and even when he stole the chicken from his plate. Logan looks down on Connor but doesn't undermine his and Willa's relationship (to my recollection, anyway). Then again, Connot isn't interested in leading Waystar, so he's not a threat. The kids are broken people, though Logan calls them "not serious."
Roman's response to the shuttle explosion seemed sociopathically detached - just cared about himself. That was a turning point for me, for how I saw him.
What you said makes no sense. What she does is literally blackmailing. The fact that you believe she's in the right for doing so is irrelevant and doesn't make it less of a blackmail lol
blackmail, while unlawful, has nothing to do with the moral right or justification. it's still blackmailing to use the threat of going public in order to get him to do what she wants.
I feel kinda disturbing the fact how Gerri endured so much shit and disgusting stuff until she reaches here. Only with Logan’s death Gerri feels safe enough to put Roman in his place, probably because deep inside she knows the Roys brothers are going to ruin everything, so it’s nice to see Gerri winning this battle but if you look the whole picture she was another participant of this pricks games and schemes for money.
@@compounding_gains Stone cold killer bitch, Roman said it in season 1 as a compliment when he was asking her to be interim CEO as Logan was hospitalized after the stroke.
Roman's weird insecurity and no impulse control in the LA episode: he could have told the studio head that Syd is gone and that would have been enough for them and he looks like a genius. Instead, he fires two powerful people who are good at their job and costs the company hundreds of millions of dollars in severance.
I had to re-watch this a couple times cause his impression or rather change of voice when he impersonates Gerri is so good! When Gerri speaks it's obvious the voice is not that similar, but at first I was like did that voice come from Roman or Gerri?
As much as this entire interaction was a win for Gerri, that last "I could have got you there" was the real gut punch. No anger or gloating, just genuinely communicating how much Roman fucked up
When "Gerri" said "Vodka Martini" without moving her lips I was convinced I found a sound error from the production team. I had to see the comments to realize it was actually Roman's impression of Gerri. Spot on!
This is when being a wisecracking dude with too much privilege and power backfire. I’ve always had a soft spot for Roman, but he literally walked into this pile of poo with Gerri.
I feel like Gerri particular stuck and helped Roman because she was around as they grew up and knew that he was often abused by Logan. Roman had the talent but not the confidence to lead and she tried to help him with that.
First-Roman does a spot on imitation of Gerri. I would swear he was dubbed by J Smith! Second, when she says I could have got you there, there is some genuine regret in her voice-that she really could have gotten Roman the top spot. But when she says, But no, THAT is her recognition of the fact that Roman is truly a walking lawsuit, a spoiled entitled man child who thinks his witticisms make him endearing, his kinks attractive. He spits venomous put downs because he’s a snake, and because deep down he knows he’s shit. And Gerri sees that, sees that Roman will implode and take everything with him when- not if, when-he finally goes too far like he did with Gerri. It is way past the time for these horrible people to finally understand actions have consequences, and you just can’t blithely go through life damaging people no matter how much money or influence you have. Doesn’t matter what you mean to do, it matters what you actually do
It's not exactly blackmail. It's something Roman just deserves to be fired for. Why he was even hired in the first place is a mystery since basically everything he does is a lawsuit.
I could've have gotten you there [chuckle] but nope. Certainly Roman always needed Gerri's help and guidance and without her he's kind of not really good at this at all even Kendall wants to get rid of him.
Roman acting like he has some sort of power at ATN and Geri shows him who’s really in command of the situation 😂 Besides the mommy issues, Roman’s weakness is he doesn’t believe in anything and cynically trolls everything. Even his firing of Geri, he’s second guessing if it was the right move. At least Kendall would own something like that and move forward.
yeah also roman is clearly insecure about the firings he has asked Ken if it was alright like 3 times already. if ken told him he is in the wrong roman would have run to apologize already, he has zero control of his emotions.
He needs constant reinforcement because he's completely insecure. Logan at least gave him a consistent barometer to rely on even if it swung from acceptance to abuse.
I think that after the final Roman would reached out to Gerri and she would eventually forgive him, especially since he isn’t a part of the company anymore.. She really did care about him and obviously it hurt her too.. we can see it from her glances.. In the script was even a scene from the funeral when she was comforting him, but sadly they cut it 😢
Some secondary characters barely have screen time anymore - like , this is the only Gerri scene in this episode. So was with Frank at the end convo with Kendall, - the more we reach the end , the more everything is focused on the kids
Yeah I hope this isn't the last of Gerri because this was her only scene and it was pretty brief, I understand she's not a main character but come on, she has been around since the beginning and has been a key player, I'd like to see her again one more time.
Karl, Frank, and Gerri always knew the business much better than the siblings. They are the old guard and you shouldn’t mess with the old guard before it changes
Old guards are wolves, only the lion like Logan can put them in place, those childrens are like tiny sheeps in front of them, they have many moves to screw them if they want.
I was convinced from the beginning that Gerri only put up with Roman to collect enough blackmail material to secure a nice retirement. A dick-pic from Roman Roy beats the hell out of most people's IRAs
THE ONLY criticism I have about this scene is: They should have directed Roman to show a a little more hurt and pain from this. He really screwed up a good relationship. Gerri never wronged Roman.
He did, this video cut the close up on Roman, also this is the real reason he lashed out at Willa and Connor, misdirected anger because he couldn't fix things with Gerri and not only she left but she's blackmailing him too.
All 3 of Logans kids are terrible at business and only in their positions cause of nepotism. If they tried to ascending at another company “making it on their own” they wouldn’t even be able to make manager. Also Roman is at the absolutely bottom of the 3 siblings in terms of business talent. Roman < shiv < Kendall.
I think Gerri and Roman HAD to break, to move the plot forward. Everyone is totally isolated and it's an "every person for themselves" dogfight to the end. Ken has turned on the sibs. Shiv's working against them too. Shiv and Tom are, for all we know, done. Tom's career is in dire straights and so is his marriage. Shiv realizing Mattson might be using her and that that he's basically a fraud. The closest person Roman had was Gerri, and now she's gone, because he is spiraling from grief, or lack of the ability to process it (Roman is really I think the most tragic of the 3). And the d*ck pics had to come back somehow. And what about Ken's involvement in the death of that kid? Ken-Ro are digging deep on Mattson, but Ken and Mattson are similar: both fudged some numbers to increase the value of their companies, both showed cruelty toward women who got tired of their crap this episode, both have histories of drug abuse - so why wouldn't Mattson do the same? He knows they're onto him now. It's all so provocative and I can't wait to see how it ends!
Matsson has been baiting Kendall and Roman this whole time to sell Gojo his failing company to Waystar. Kendall hates Matsson so much now that he is missing the play and will jump at the chance to buy Gojo. Matsson will take the money he makes from the sell and buy Pierce, the company Logan wanted to buy. Logan would have never bought Gojo a failing company, but he would have bought Pierce.
Kendall should get with Logan assistant Terri and find out exactly what Logans plan for the future of ATN and Pierce was going to be, and stay with that plan, he would hurt Matsson worse by not buying is failing company.
After Logan died, the children just didn’t know what they walked into…Just sold the company for 192 and then bailed; none of them are fit to run Waystar.
No wonder none of the kids got the company, do not have the basic common sense which people they should not be pissing off and which are the ones they should be siding with
Roman deserved it. However, Gerri couldn't have gotten Roman anywhere but where he is now. Roman is a broken traumatized boy who plays in a pool of sharks and snakes. He can't avoid being bitten. He is absolutely defenseless.
"Gerri, and I mean this in the most respectful way, I know you as a stone cold killer b**atchh"... I SO² wanted Roman to succeed at tanking the deal, but after his firing spree and backing off for the pitch with Kendall, I have only pity for Roman...
i wouldn't be worried at all if i was roman lol, first of all its a bluff...and if she is stupid enough to actually go public with this, then roman can make public all the dirty dealings she did for the company, including the cruises cover up, i mean she literally threatened tom to not blow the whistle lol
They were playing a weird no-means-yes game. Roman wasn’t being malicious when sending the photos. He just wasn’t savvy enough to separate the game from reality and ignorant to the difference in blowback between him (young/male/son) and her (older/female/non-heir).
She was not playing, She was really clear AND said to him multiple times to stop doing that. He didn't listen and She ended up eating shit because Logan find out. Roman deserves this.
@@universalpower419 yeah, but she also told him he was a despicable worm, and that meant "come all over my bathroom door." so, you know, i could see how he got a little mixed up.
Roman has the d*ck pics, Kendall has the car crash... will either become public? When will Shiv's pregnancy? I keep thinking of Logan saying "you're not a killer" and feeling that is significant to whoever gets the top spot, somehow.
Roman and Shiv could black mail Kendall with the car crash, Tom can blackmail Kendall and Waystar with the Cruise ship files he was supposed to destroy.
@@lestonthompson8495 Yes! Will Tom and Greg team up with the cruise ship files? And will Gerri blow it all up with all the stuff she knows (must be a lot)? Will anyone be sensible enough to get her on-side? Roman wasn't.
@@victtayl I think the Reason Kerri, Logan's assistant was trying to get into Logan's bedroom when Marcie stopped her was she knows where Logan keeps all the dirt on People, and that was what she was trying to get. You have to know Logan had dirt on everybody. I also think Kerri and Roman will hook up.
@@victtayl Maybe Greg will, I feel his grandfather is going to save Greg, or give him his seat on the board if that happens then Greg can never let his Geand father know he knew about the Cruise ship files. which will also play into Tom's hands. Of course this is just guessing, you know these writers will probably go in a totally different direction next episode.
@@Missab4000 I hate that phrase so much it gets me laughing every time I even fell in agreeance with the original comment and yours just shut it down lol
Shiv will lose. She basically lost today. The only question that remains will be wether her brothers will learn about her betrayal and bury her for good, or if she will still manage to get a bit of bread in her mouth despite everything. But win the game? No. She's toast for that.
She could literally sound the alarm on Kendall’s murder and get Collin to back her story, work with Gerri to bring Roman down and expose Madsen from whatever bullshit he’s pulling that she’s aware of. She’ll probably get back together with Tom coz he’s the father of her child and Greg the loyal dog will tag along.
“I could have gotten you there” I wish Roman would have clapped back. She bailed on Roman the second it didn’t benefit her. Not saying Roman is anywhere near the right guy but she was dead wrong for that line.
@@gbeach85 Gerri was with Roman until he harrased her in season 3, and on top of it treated her like trash this whole season, that's why he doesn't say anything and he can't even look at her because she's right he has nothing to say, that's why instead he explodes on Connor and Willa, he was angry about this.
He knows that the pics ended up costing her Logan's respect and subsequently redefined their relationship. His dad always stood at the centre of their relationship. Roman doesn't have a leg to stand on in accusing her of bailing on him when he purposefully started leaving a paper trail out of jealousy.
Umm...SHE BEGGED him to stop sending him the items. But he did it anyways. Gerri has always told him to think : How this advance my personal position? But Roman was too impulsive, and she realized he was unreliable to work with. Gerri had every right to stop working with him...he endangered her job and reputation. Besides, she did get fired because of him later on
why? There is very little Roman has done to demonstrate he would be good as CEO. Logan was a domineering ass but he was very careful about his lieutenants - he brought them in with his charisma , maintained them with rewards and promises of glory, and kept them in check with fear. Roman going straight to firing the studio exec and then freaking out and play firing Gerri means that he missed all the crucial lessons of his dad. He just understood the abuse part, not the finesse.
