I find Roman's final scene at the bar really interesting as its so subtle. He smiles as he is 'free' from dad's company and is self aware of how pointless the whole thing has been. But then in that last split second, he loses that smile, and I think that is him realising he is now on his own. Have you ever seen Roman with a friend?
Also, noticed that on Roman's final scene, he was drinking a martini? That is Gerri's favorite drink and it indicates that deep down, Roman loves Gerri.
Great comment yes I’ve watched this scene a couple of times and each time I see something just a little bit different such a great show watching season 4 again ☑️🙌
Bro he is literally super rich after the deal with gojo. Now he can party all his life. And have a relationship with his brother just like ewan and Logan had.
@@MrBmick79 Why do you mad at Vince? BB and BCS and El Camino if you count all have perfect endings of each characters. Walt died surrounding by something that he loved the most, Jesse frees as a new man and Saul is in prison but he's still get respected
@@user-eq5ub5rs3gThe entire show is evident to the fact that it was never about money, only about power. When you have that much money you don’t care about it.
I mean this part was a bit heavy handed. They could have conveyed the same thing with her fulling holding his hand but have their faces betray the state of the marriage. The half hand holding, no one does that in real life, it felt way too symbolic and not as organic. Otherwise, i agree with the general dynamic laid out in terms of the power shift.
i also noticed in this show that in those scenes with two people in the car, usually it's the one sitting on the audience's left that has more power in the dynamic. this is evident by logan sitting on the left in every scene he's been in with his kids, meanwhile when shiv was in the car with tom she used to be the one on the left, but now they've switched.
@@user-eq5ub5rs3gIn the end of the day, this is not about who's getting richer but it's all about survival, dream, power and ambition. Those who have reached the finish line will never know how it feels to be in the bottom. The Roys are mostly want CEO position because their CEO's children but they don't want to take a risk, break a sweat or even go to work. They all are spoiled daddy's rich kids who have no idea how real world works. They rude to people, they are lazy to do the work and they all are very arrogant. The video where Logan and the old guards + Kerri and Connor having a private dinner without the other kids knowing is the evidence that they will never be the same as he is. They are just the kids who are still playing outside their daddy's office. Connor is the only kid who knew from day one that Logan will only use him for power so he is smart enough to not be involved in the company. Unfortunately, Shiv falls for Logan's trap to quit as Political Consultant and everyone is mostly using her just being Logan Roy's only daughter and she is so clueless and oblivious.
There's actually a deleted scene where Kendall wants to jump to the water for commit suicide but the director cut it as it was Jeremy Strong's idea since he's a method actor, he likes to improvise.
When Shiv says “congratulations” to Tom and Tom says “oh no no,” it’s quietly brilliant. Tom has just won everything Shiv ever wanted (being CEO of the company), and so she treats it as though she is congratulating her victorious adversary. However, all Tom wanted from the start was for Shiv to love and accept him, and he has realized that he has lost that completely. While he has complete power in their relationship (you can hear the condescension in his voice and feel it in the way he extends his hand), he knows it’s a hollow victory.
I don't think he gives a damn if she loves him or not anymore, Shiv even asks before she boarded the plane if he wanted to talk about their relationship, and he shot her down completely. He's got all the attention he needs as CEO.
Also, throughout entire Season 4, Shiv is bitching to Tom for betrayed her for sold her and her brothers out about them to confront their father eventhough she told him she doesn't love him anymore! And she's still resenting him even until her dad died. You noticed that ever since Logan died, Tom is way more stricts and serious, not too much joking with Greg and barely smiles anymore? Even when the siblings and the others are celebrating for getting the Gojo Deal with Mattson after their trip from Norway, Tom is just looking cold and not too excited. He's also dedicated himself on the job and missed Logan's funeral.
Shiv is the most useless failure took birth from Logans sperm. Yeah all her brothers are mess but geez. Is she really Logans daughter or her mother have some affair behind Logans back.
I really like how they shot the document signing + photoshoot with Matsson and co. - the angle makes it look like behind the scenes footage. Really makes you feel like an outsider witnessing the event from afar, which is what the kids are now. Cast out from their own empire.
And when the kids are fighting and arguing in other room with a transparent glass, it's like a callback from Shiv's eulogy: "We used to be the kids who played outside our dad's office." And ironically, they still are as they treat the company as their personal playground. Also, when they were in that room, the others were shocked to see Kendall was the one who raised his voice and screamed so loud to his younger siblings while Shiv and Rome looked confused and scared to him. And those people on that building who attended Logan's funeral wouldn't believe that was the same guy who delivered the best eulogy speech few days ago. The siblings are the real definition of Shooting themselves in their foot as they kept antagonizing Logan, Mattson or Tom as their enemies but the real enemies are themselves because all of them got promised by Logan to be the next CEO one by one and therefore had the same mindset: "Because my dad told me to."
The ending with Tom and Shiv in the car resemble the ending of "The Graduate" movie where both of the couple are sitting in the car looking at the front with blank stare to their uncertain future
Poor Kendall (yeah, I know he is a terrible human being like most Succession characters). What Logan did to him when he was a child was cruel: promising him the Empire and declaring him the rightful heir. Connor knew since a young age he wasn't gonna be the true successor as his father saw him as a bastard, even though he wasn't. His delusional disorder and the association with his looney mother destroyed his chances. But not Kendall. Kendall truly internalized that promise his father made, that he should inherit the Earth. And he lived with that promised now written in his soul. And to lose that, after basing so much of your self and identity in that empty promise from a broken man, is gonna be soul destroying. No wonder Jeremy Strong thinks this ends means the definite end for Kendall. This is a suicide waiting to happen. But that's the actor. The writers left a somewhat slightly open ending. He may learn to do something else, become a different man, but it's really doubtful. This is why nobody should be promised at that early and impresionable age such a crazy promise and mainting that empty promise throughout all his life. And when the time comes (the pilot of the show) for the coronation to happen just cancel the whole deal. Also Kendall was just as capable as Tom at being a CEO. I don't think either Roman nor Shiv had the makings or training of one. Kendall did. Tom had flaws, Kendall had flaws. It doesn't matter. Both of them could do that stupid job. It was just Logan being a mean and petty bastard to initiate the hunger games among his children, one last fight that ended of killing him- that's all
Kendall's biggest downfall is his ego. If he stops saying "Hey, I'm the rich kid, you should've listened to me" every fucking time, he would win. Same as Shiv, if she stops using her resting bitch face and stop contradicting to everyone, she would win. Rome also could win if he's way more serious. Connor out of the game since the beginning so he doesn't count. Techinically, everyone on this show is not good people (I'm gonna say Gerri is probably the sanest character) but Tom has something nobody have on this show: Humility. Yeah, he most of the time being a jerk to Greg and even bully him but he starts to change ever since Shiv's cheating to Nate on their own wedding day! He realizes he has to step his game to be accepted on Roys family. He's the only one who takes the cruise scandal seriously and even willingly to go to prison while none of the Roys want to (Honestly, who even want to go to prison anyway?) Both of Logan and Mattson see the potential on Tom and they both see him as the true CEO of Waystar. Technically, Mattson is the true successor of Logan as Logan sold his "soul" which is the company to him and Mattson needs someone who can take responsibility which is Tom.
@@margarethmichelina5146 Great analysis of the character. But Mattson choose Tom because he is ready to suck the biggest D.. too, as Shiv said. Mattson put him to test when he tells him at the restaurant how him and Shiv could and would go together, and Tom say nothing to defend his honor. It's for what this scene shows about relationship between Mattson and tom too, i think, he refuse the congratulations at the end. He sacrificed too much of his dignity as man and husband.
Eh I don't know if he was more capable. Perhaps he was farsighted enough to see that Waystar couldn't rely on protection or a market from one half of the US political spectrum, and needed to truly globalise. You could also see that as him not understanding "how the sausage is made", in terms of needing political protection and a connection with contemporary identity that was only possible through sucking up to one side of the US aisle, with globalisation and impartiality actually destroying their protection and their market.
You know what, you should have let the credits roll, it gives you time to process all this massive epic conclusion, even now i feel awestruck and thankful that i was able to watch this in its premiere, like damn, it will take a long time for us to witness this kind of television all over again.
Still unhinged how Roman's last scene ever is him drinking Gerri's favourite drink and smiling. (Also the director saying she is the "quasi love of his life") Like I can imagine Kendall and Shiv's futures, good or bad, but with Roman I'm a genuine blank. Where is he going after this? Rejoin Waystar? Gerri's trophy bf?
I think either a writer for the show or I read it randomly somewhere lol. But I like the idea that this whole series was just a brief venture in Roman’s life and he’s back to being that rich bachelor hanging around the bar and talking shit
I personally thinking that Roman is going to the therapy and is the only siblings who will personally open up of his family relationship to the public. In earlier seasons, we mostly learn their childhood from Roman the most like how he got locked up in a dog cage and Connor rescued him, how he mostly going fishing with his dad but in Season 3, he was hesistant to tell the truth when someone asked him. He's also free from any pressures of his dad, the company and also Kendall so he can make The Hundred on his own but Roman is mostly codependent with others so it will likely never happened. Shiv is becoming like her mom, a wife of CEO or businessman whose entire life will be full of negligence for having a workaholic husband. She probably won't be back at Politic as Nate and Gill will blacklisted and badmouthing her and also because of her poor attitude in the Politic Party at Season 3, nobody will take her seriously anymore. She might be being a stay at home mom forever, raising her own kid and will leaen how to be a good mom. For Kendall, Oof it's going to be hard. He's either: -Killing Himself -Going on Isolation in a Country Side like Ewan forever -Probably ending up in asylum -Going back to rehab As he has no purpose anymore on his life. His dream that he has crafted from 7 years old is gone. His siblings won't talk to him anymore, he has no kids to continue his business as both of his "kids" aren't his, Rava has enough of him, Stewie will stuck forever with The Furnesses, Greg is still working with Tom, None of The Waystars employees or ex employees will contact him. He only has Colin, his father's former bodyguard. He can't fired him because Colin knew about his crime and he'll tell everyone on the public. Even if he goes outside and has his own business, he is still being labelled as Logan Roy's son forever. He can't escape his dad's shadow forever.
It was hard to imagine Kendall to be even more broken and empty than he was in Season 2, but this time he lost absolutely everything. His family, Jess, and the title. There’s nothing left before or after he dies.
It’s clear that the older two siblings are doomed to be in A: a cold love marriage of convenience and unspoken resentment, and B: forever being shut out of the one thing you’ve been almost programmed since childhood to want more than anything. But I see some comments believing that Roman is somehow ‘free’. I don’t know about that. Knowing Roman, the last of shot him presumably numbing this entire experience with alcohol is not a positive sign.
I think this is still not the end. I mean the series ended but not the story, remember Kendall made a deal to buy pierce. And now he is even more rich than ever( after more premium payed by gojo). Ge can come back again but this time with literally the only ethical media company. And can make his way up again.
I'd rather we got a prequel about a young Logan. What happened in his early business career that made him so cold and ruthless and yet an incredibly powerful man. What bridges did he have to burn, who's lives did he have to destroy along the way?
