Sunday Roast Talks Brexit, Rejoin and London. 

If the UK were to rejoin the EU, I don't think the attitudes of the Tory government or even the press will play that much of a role in the decision-making process. It will be a somewhat technocratic and dispassionate cost benefit analysis. Demographic changes in voting blocks mean that most lf those people who voted for Brexit are dying off and being replaced by a more pro EU demographic. So even if we take public opinion into it, the argument would fundimentaly be, you can't rejoin because your dead parents didn't like us even so public opinion fluctuates across europe all tje time.with regards to the EU so.i don't think this would play into it. But more.importantly england was gaslight into thinking that tje EU and not deindustrialization and neoliberalism were to blame for falling living standards. By permanently barring Englnd from rejoining you send the message that you can use the EU to punish people for being conned into making a stupid decision. And that the oligarchs who pushed this can get away with it. If they get away with Turing the UK into an ecconomic basket case they will turn their attention to other EU nations and do the same

Fully understand your anger, but even if a new independence referendum were to be held and were successful you would still need to apply to join the EU and meet all of the necessary requirements. Sadly it is going to take many years or even decades before any of the UK is back in...

Thing is, we allow little England to keep voting them in.

So, the 48% who voted to leave should be given special privileges just because they happen to be Scottish, and the ~50% who voted to remain should be punished just because they happen to be English?

​@@cantin8697well said. This dicing up of the electorate based on national or regional differences serves no purpose other than to demonise based on crude generalisations

I think you underestimate David Lammy - he knows full well that there is no magic Rejoin option. The UK will become a member again, sadly this lies many years in our future and will be undertaken just as if any other 3rd country applied for membership. No, in fact our application will be held to far greater scrutiny because of our dismal actions in the previous decade...

@@alanbarker2279 Well the accession process is the same for all candidate countries. 6 clusters with some 35 chapters that all have to be closed with the consent of EU. There is no need for greater scrutiny since it is all about the implementation of the EU acquis. Any European country that complies with the Copenhagen criteria can apply. There is of course a chance that any EU memberstate will veto UK again. Or that a member country has grievances with UK that need to be solved. For example Croatia has had long-standing border issues with Slovenia, especially over the Piran Bay boundary. Between December 2008 and September-October 2009, Slovenia blocked Croatia's EU accession over these border issues. On 6 June 2010, Slovenia voted to accept the ruling of United Nations arbitrators on the dispute, removing this obstacle. The process of EU accession negotiations is the time period, in which it is determined for each candidate country, in how much time and with which regulations it will adopt the EU Acquis, and how the candidate country will put the acquis into force and implement it The candidate country is required to adopt the EU acquis as a whole. In order for a country to fully adopt the Acquis, it does not suffice to pass legislation, i.e. laws and directives. Within the framework of the 1995 Madrid Summit, the candidate country is also required to establish the necessary legal and administrative capacity in order to put legislation into practice in the most effective way. In other words, it is required to establish institutions or departments that will implement the legislation and increase their capacity of implementation. The EU Acquis is the total body of EU's legal system and rules which are in force. The EU acquis has been constantly evolving. It includes the founding treaties of the EU, those that amend them, secondary legislation (directives, regulations, decisions), treaties signed with the third countries, the decisions of the European Court of Justice etc. In addition, legally-binding or non-binding acts/proceedings that were adopted within the EU framework, i.e. inter-institutional agreements, resolutions, notifications, recommendations, guiding principles, joint actions, common attitudes, declarations, conclusion proclamations and other acts that were adopted within the framework of foreign security and defence policy, common attitudes, signed contracts, resolutions, proclamations and other acts that were adopted within the framework of justice and home affairs are also part of the acquis. Furthermore, international treaties that were concluded between the European Communities/the EU or European Communities/the EU and member states and international treaties that were concluded by member states regarding the Union's activities/operations are included in the acquis. The 35 chapters are: 1- Free movement of goods 2- Freedom of movement for workers 3- Right of establishment and freedom to provide services 4- Free movement of capital 5- Public procurement 6- Company law 7- Intellectual property law 8- Competition policy 9- Financial services 10- Information society and media 11- Agriculture and rural development 12- Food safety, veterinary and phytosanitary policy 13- Fisheries 14- Transport policy 15- Energy 16- Taxation 17- Economic and monetary policy 18- Statistics 19- Social policy and employment 20- Enterprise and industrial policy 21- Trans-European networks 22- Regional policy and coordination of structural instruments 23- Judiciary and fundamental rights 24- Justice, freedom and security 25- Science and research 26- Education and culture 27- Environment 28- Consumer and health protection 29- Customs union 30- External relations 31- Foreign, security and defense policy 32- Financial control 33- Financial and budgetary provisions 34- Institutions 35- Other issues On what issues is the candidate country not allowed to negotiate? Adoption of the EU Acquis, establishment of administrative structures towards implementation, compliance with the Copenhagen political criteria and Copenhagen economic criteria cannot be negotiated. That means among other things adopting the Euro as soon as the country meets the convergence criteria. On what issues is the candidate country allowed to negotiate? The candidate country is allowed to negotiate on when and how the adoption of the EU Acquis will take place. In exceptional cases, transition phases, temporary derogations and requests of additional assistance can also be included into negotiations.

Totally agree, and with more effective proponents than these chaps...

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Our pleasure!

100% no, Jeremy Corbyn came too close to sorting out the establishment. Hence why we find ourselves in the position we are in, today.

Ah D' Hondt ! Try to explain that to 16 year olds here in Germany.😁

Having to adopt the Euro is reason enough to not rejoin. I didn't want to leave in 2016, but given the conditions that we would rejoin under, and the political direction of the EU now under Von de Leyen etc, on balance, I think the U.K. has better opportunities out. Sure, fix the trading relationship etc, cosy up on scientific and medical cooperation etc But it would be net bad to rejoin the EU now.

@@michaelrch In any case and scenario, if a country wants to join the EU, it needs to comply with the EU's T&C's. The EU is not a bus, a taxi, a train, a plane one can take when it suits the political and financial agenda and then tell them to f* after having bled it dry. In any case, Brexit means Brexit, Out means Out and OUT you are. Enjoy your Brexit.

@@michaelrch Like already said, if a country wants to join the EU, then it needs to comply with the EU's T&C. As you already know: Brexit means Brexit, Out means Out and Out you are. Enjoy your Brexit. It is doubtful that Britain will be missed.

You left the gym, but after a month or two you decided it was the wrong decision if you want to get fitter. Therefore you re-join the gym. You'd only be joining if you had never been a member of it.

@@mickreaddin4979 Too late for that now.

We agree!

Layla Moran?

@@sundayroast4707 Daisy Cooper.

@@mickreaddin4979 a recommendation?

@@politicalx6151 Absolutely not! She seemed to be across a number of briefs, I was impressed. Unfortunately, I can never forgive the libdems for their part in the coalition. And yes... it does seem petty of me.

You are so welcome

"What did the Romans ever do for us" 😊

Haha glad someone noticed!

UK can only get the same terms as any country that has joined recently. There are no opt outs. Everything can be found on the homesite of the EU commission wich oversees the accession process. Google "How to join EU" and use the link leading to EU. Then read everything behind all links there. Before any accession process can start UK has to comply with the criteria to join. The Copenhagen Criteria. For example your debt of some 2.5 trillion is way too high. A benchmark would be some 60% of GDP while UK has about 100,2% of GDP. A country that wishes to join EU has to adopt the Euro when it meets the convergence criteria and join Schengen.

Well it seems you are mentally on the same level so good for you. You don´t have to feel ashamed of being thick as a plank in his team.

UK´s economic systems doesn´seem to work very well. Up to its ears in debt. Poverty rising and companies moving out and EU pulling out all Euro denominated bussinesses from London.

Maybe. According to who?

Stell 😂

@@nicks4934 yes you are still coming out with your normal bull shit and crap as you have no bloody hope of that.

How do you equate 52% of those who voted as being representative of the British people. The Brexit Referendum was an advisory one - most people did not expect it to succeed, consequently many could not be bothered to get off their arses and go to a polling station and vote against it. Many others voted leave as a protest vote - never believing that we would actually leave. If someone could wave a magic wand and allow a referendum to be held which would undo article 50 and allow us to proceed as if we had never left then I believe you would have 70% in favour with the 30% made up mainly of rabid xenophobes and racists...

@@alanbarker2279 Advisory the first lie, you had your vote and lost live with it, go and sponge of someone else the UK taxpayer has had enough of you.

@@thomasmain5986 The 2016 Brexit referendum in the UK was indeed an advisory referendum. An advisory referendum is a type of referendum where the result is not legally binding, meaning the government is not required to implement the outcome. Instead, it serves as a means for the government to gauge public opinion on a particular issue. The distinction between an advisory and a binding referendum is important because it affects how the government must respond to the outcome. In a binding referendum, the government is legally required to implement the result, whereas in an advisory referendum, the government has more flexibility in how it chooses to act on the outcome. Facts are facts - unlike almost all of the lies spouted by the Leave campaign!

@@alanbarker2279 It indeed it was not, it became advisory once your crowd realised they had lost it. All government leaflets pamphlets etc not one mention of advisory. Now like a drowning man you cling on the the flotsam of a civil service loophole, "It was Advisory" not according to Cameron this was a one time opportunity to put the debate to bed🤣 then afterwards, it was we didn't mean it we just wanted your opnion, we weren't going to act on it. You just really don't sound very grown up. Get over it.

@@alanbarker2279 And another way to confirm if the referendum was advisory or not, was it's implementation. Nobody in Westminster Certainly not the political class certainly not the Civil Service and most certainly not the Lords wanted Brexit, if it legally could have been stopped on the basis that it was advisory then it would heve been, in fact that legal route like so many others was gone down and failed to block Brexit. So your statement is a lie as is just about every single rejoin talking point.