First of all, I love this series on ADAS!!! I feel like the limited number of roads should be a bigger deduction. I did a 12K mile cross-country road trip in my Tesla M3 with FSD in April-June 2022. I was in FSD probably close to 98% of the time and that includes single lane backroads. I was very impressed at all the situations it did handle correctly. There are several annoying behaviors that some have been corrected in later releases. But I do share some of Kyle's complaints like wanting to take exits (I think it really wants to keep to the right), torque required on wheel (Kyle did teach me something about using the buttons on wheel), and in general some quirky and unexpected behavior. The primary reason I keep the Tesla is FSD, if another car maker made a luxury car/SUV with FSD capability I would strongly consider switching, as I do not care for Tesla ride experience (loud, bumpy, uncomfortable seating, poor build quality). EV is not a must have but ADAS is!! I would also be interested in how these systems perform when pulling a trailer, as I'm thinking of pulling a small camper on my next cross country road trip. Has anyone pulled a trailer behind M3 with FSD...I would be interested in your experience.
I have a bolt EUV with super cruise and I’m jealous of the lane changing in this truck. I think it is amazing though. You mention one limitation I wish they would address. You call it “scooching” which is a good word for it. When I’m driving,I’ll move to the opposite side of the lane to a semi next to me in case the wind knocks the trailer around. Super cruise keeps you in the center of the lane no matter what.
When you did the unresponsive test, Kyle was saying, "It's breaking, breaking, breaking, No one is behind us yet" and then suddenly you hear this guy gunning it around them. lol
Please try hands-free Openpilot if you haven't already! Quite polished and useful these days, on many vehicle types including our Jeep Grand Cherokee (for the last 4 years).
@@KyleConner I'm in Northern Utah, in Logan home of USU. I'm the one who first ported Openpilot to the Grand Cherokee. If you are ever visiting Utah, please feel free to drive our vehicle here to try out Openpilot. Maybe we will visit Colorado within a year, we are less than 500 miles from Fr. Collins and have friends and relatives in Littleton.
@@KyleConner If you're ever near Indianapolis hit me up. I have a 2020 Ioniq Electric with Openpilot. You can see the good and not so good. Nothing is perfect after all.
I don’t think you can score a vehicle the highest score if it plain refuses to do the hardest part of the test. There should be a massive deduction for refusing to participate
I agree - pre-mapped only driver assistance should be marked as a big negative! Given the claims of being standardized and objective, this needs to be a consideration for sure. It also didn't reduce speed according to the posted limit, which is also a negative. I hope Kyle adds these issues to the review and updates the Excel sheet too!
@@shankhadeepshome3982 LOLOL wow this Tesla pumper here. Supeecruise destroys Tesla Full self crashing software. You call this video dishonest, wow get yourself checked, anything that you disagree with (likely your overpriced Tesla stock) doesn't mean it's dishonest. Maybe you are in an echo chamber and you probably don't even drive a Tesla, if you did you'd know how horrible they are in every aspect.
I have this exact Truck! And you are correct when Super Cruise is working it is awesome. Have 5k miles on the truck now and ~2500 was out on Interstates mapped roads. Systems works as shown in the test and was surprised where it you actually work in some construction zone. I actually prefer the position it only works on mapped roads as it brings more safety to the situation. Trying turning super Cruise on ins heavy traffic and you will feel uncomfortable. I agree GM has done something right with the smoothness of the lane changes. Also, I have noticed that the vehicle actually will accelerate when it has move to a pass lane and it senses traffic coming up from behind. Once it passes it will slow back down. Most impressive maneuver I have seen was when the vehicle sensed another vehicle entering a ramp and the Truck performed a lane change to the left lane to make room for it, was not expecting that to work. I laughed when you locked out Super Cruise, because it can be frustrating when that happens (turn the car off to reset it). Oh and those massage seats are super nice too.
With the absolute refusal to attempt certain sections, I'd cut 5-10 points. With completely refusing to attempt, I see that as "a very long series of takeovers" - it doesn't deserve the top score when it won't even try those sections.
@@markfitzpatrick6692 it's literally introduced as "the hardest and only standardized driver assistance testing on RU-vid" so it's definitely not meant to be any one person's test.
I wonder if system wasn't confident in its location due to the cloud cover coupled by being next to the mountains when going West? It seemed to be ready to go once there was some separation from the mountains.
following up to second the request to see the Bolt EUV do this---it has the older system but for the money it seems like the value alone makes it a clear winner.
It's pretty amazing, that GM did this and not a new fancy EV-only automaker. It's mostly software and fine tuning, so it shows they got really good engineers on board. Really like this challange series, please do more of it! :)
They put it on their most expensive offering to limit the total number of users because they know it can't do what AutoPilot learned to do two years ago.
I think it had a hard time getting the signal when you were on the side of the freeway where the mountains where right up against the road. But when you went the other direction, that side had no mountains right up against the road and thus worked better.
Nice job on the video. I can see the reason for your enthusiasm with the system. However, you stated that the rationale for using this stretch of road is that “…if it can do well on this road, it will do well anywhere.” Well… call me a nitpicker, but both of you stated, repeatedly, that this system will NOT work “anywhere” (at least, as I understand that word). This system only works on pre-mapped roads, and even then, it can/will balk (start of your test, twice, and the twisties). An open system like Auto Pilot is relying on constant real time input, that can be used pretty much “anywhere.” And yes I drove I-70 across Kansas and Colorado into Utah on the return portion of my Sacramento > Louisville > Sacramento 5,500 mile road trip last month. With Auto Pilot. I found AP to be an excellent system that worked through that entire trip, even on two lane state routes and back country roads. It’s not so picky…
@@keksi6844Possibly… Kyle is not shy about expounding, at great length, so I’m going to assume that when he says “anywhere” he really means anywhere. Not “This only works in select places, which you need an internet connection and a device and a co-Pilot to plan out, and even then, it may not work.” But maybe I’m assuming too much.
Found the Tesla shareholder. First off, the test is for highways. It may be possible to use Autopilot on other roads, but that isn't what's being tested here... No system is a true driverless system yet. They're all advanced drivers assistants, ADAS. This system happens to rely on mapped roads, and it isn't the only system Out of Spec's tested that requires mapped routes; Blue cruise does as well. Supercruise's current highway coverage for the system is already pretty extensive, covering most of the major US highways already, including the major trans-continental highways. Earlier this month, GM released information and maps for where they're expanding coverage to, and it's a huge increase in mapped highways. Just about every major highway in the country. While it certainly won't work on 100% of highways, this review shows that it works incredibly for the routes it's enabled. The point of these systems is to assist the driver and improve their highway driving experience, while the driver still pays full attention to the road and is ready to take over at a moment's notice. If the driver has to take the reins once in awhile, then how big of a deal is that actually? Were you planning to take a nap, read a book, play a game, stare at your phone, etc? While Autopilot's flexibility of being capable of being used just about anywhere is nice... I fail to see the importance of it. Why would you want autopilot driving you on back country roads when you have to pay attention anyways? For the novelty? Until Tesla's system is fully autonomus, a lot of Tesla's achievements off the highway are nothing more than useless novelties and gimmicks... The only real issue I saw in this test was where and how it gave up control around that curve.. no system really does a great job of relinquishing control, but GM could do better, and likely will do better with future improvements just like every other company. That said, the big improvement with Supercruise over other systems, beyond it's smooth driving characteristics, is the hands-free capability of the system. If you're driving hundreds or thousands of miles, then at those times when input shouldn't be necessary so long as you're paying attention to the road, do you want to look forward at the road and keep wiggling the wheel every 45 seconds, or do you simply want to look forward at the road?
@@updlate4756 My point was simply that Kyle stated (essentially) that if a system could navigate that stretch of I-70, it could navigate “any where.” Now, no one put a gun to his head to make that claim. And he did not have to state that a successful run of that road would translate to universal application. Certainly, I had no part in any of this. All I’m pointing out is that, given the goals, objectives, and claims made, the system failed. It would not engage (twice), it disengaged in a section of road that had some curves to it. I don’t see how anyone can claim the system successfully managed that test. How many people are going to restart their trip simply to get the system to recognize it was in fact on a pre-mapped interstate? You…? Myself, I have no problem keeping my eyes on the road (which this system requires) and my hands upon the wheel (a la Tesla). I haven’t seen any system that convinces me autonomous driving is ready for prime time. That being said, I found AP to be a system that allowed me to arrive at my destination much more relaxed, and it operated in a predictable and reliable manner. Including that stretch of I-70 Kyle was driving on.
@@ezpoppy55 give it up. You are reading too much into his statement. He simply meant that out of all the mapped roads, he felt this road was one that presented alot of challenges to the system.
I wonder if the point that is suddenly disconnected, there was a bit of wheel slip? Maybe Stability control detected something... I have had pickups that in a turn in the wet had the rear end bounce and cause a slight instability.. Maybe that's what happened.. then maybe there is a longer timer set or you have to come to a complete stop before it will reset and allow it to engage again.
The problem if I had that truck is simple: I'd get horrible gas mileage because I'd be flooring the throttle all the time just to hear that V* sound! Sounds Amazing!
If you still have that Volkswagen, try the ACC (with out auto steering) on a twisty road. It has a very nice automatic braking for corners. I live end of a twisty road, and I can just set the speed to like 45mph and let it figure out the speed.
I had a CT6 with Super Cruise (SC) (no lane changes as it was before lane changes were SC available) & I cant wait for my next vehicle with SC. GM has or is updating the 200,000 to 400,000 miles of mapped roads & then Ultra Cruise will be next generation with much more capabilities. Good review guys, always enjoy your videos. Thanks,
There is Super Cruise and next (2023) Ultra Cruise for in the City, all roads models will have that! ;-D You have to have GM OnStar 4G, 5G. connection. Plus there are IR cameras at two locations on steering wheel with 4 red dots.
Rush hour traffic is where my Model Y really chokes. It constantly gets scared... Too bad you didn't do this test when the traffic was heavier. Following lines and staying in a lane should be easy in 2022. Although I'll give Super Cruise kudos for the excellent passing.
yeah model Y is underwhelming when I tested it, it was worse then the BMW driving assist I tested on their new EV, too much of an ugly expensive blob! ventilated seats where they at?
Refuses to turn on and doesn’t update with speed limit changes? Their testing criteria is basically take points away for screw ups but not for missing features. The best scoring system using their criteria would be regular old cruise control. It just keeps going at the same speed and never makes a mistake! 20/20!
Would love to see a Subaru with their newest version of Eyesight. While it won't score the highest, it was definitely one of the most predictable systems I've used. Also, any plans to try this with your e-tron?
@@nothere572 The newer versions with lane centering do excellent lane centering. While the steering wheel is torque sensing to detect hands, I swear a feather could land on it and that would be enough torque to keep it happy. It also still works with only one lane line present so it will follow the lane line versus veering towards the broken line at an exit. It gives audible and visual warnings as well when it shuts off/ needs driver input.
It could be that it didn't engage or it disengaged because it lost gps signal. We see it all the time in agriculture tractors with autosteer. We could be planting along one second and snap, it could suddenly shift or gradually drift to right or left.
My thoughts exactly and GPS reception can sometimes vary depending on a lot of factors. I suspect that Supercruise has to compare the GPS coordinates with the premapped image and real time camera data until it gets a match. The presence of a large semi-trailer might have prevented a visual match.
While Super Cruise appears to be great when it works you listed several huge strikes for me. 1. it only works in pre mapped areas. 2. If there is road construction appears based on maps those areas get removed. One strike you didn’t cover after 3 years it becomes a subscription model based on their website. I will admit Tesla just added subscribe requirement for its navigation but that is after 7 years so I don’t mind that after 7 years for me at 30k year well past time to replace the vehicle.
Good points. Only working in mapped areas design is a huge drawback compared to any system that works well and can handle nearly any road. This test route and scoring doesn't reflect that reality.
@@cbenson513 Working on Mapped roads is a + for many people as the vehicles know every nook of the road and is considered a safety benefit. Also Have you seen the subscription price for the Tesla system verse the GM system? There is a vast difference in price.
@@Nebula1701 Good points, but in terms of scoring usefulness of system, surely a system that can work on a multiple of the miles another system can should get some extra scoring. A value consideration considers pricing over miles as well. Each of us can then consider if paying lower price for less is worth the savings or not.
@@cbenson513 GM has been adding more and more roads to its system every year. Started in 2017 with few highways, went to 200k miles just a few short years ago and now it's at 400,000 miles just in the recent update.
@@Nebula1701 That's progress, but a lot more to go to catch up to the amount of miles I can use FSD. Just a design limitation of mapped roads. Just like their difficulty with new construction or any construction zones.
Not biased at all lol. Comparing this to “Assistance” systems is like comparing a real burger to a vegan burger. Yep they are both burgers and that is where the similarities end. This is a subscription based, on rails mapped, gps guided self driving system. HDA on the other hand just works everywhere. I don’t need to engage cruise to have it help steer or maintain the line. OR, I can just use cruise and do things the old fashioned way. On top of that, the Hyundai system also has active speed limit assist where you can set it so it will actively keep you from you going over a certain speed and let’s not forget auto hold for stop and go. Plus most of the HDA base system is standard on Hyundai vehicle without a subscription and HDA is just a trim upgrade. The cutting out without warning sucks but it isn’t a self driving system. Other than “lane centering” these systems don’t even compare. I will take my HDA any day over suoercruise.
I never tried my Model 3 with FSD beta on this road, but you should definitely try to get one and test it. The line changes you said "no other car does it" seems like a normal day driving my Model 3. Don't get me wrong, I'm happy to see more cars that offer great options, but I feel like if you are not testing the latest Tesla has to offer...
VW Emergency assist, assuming it is fitted with the necessary sensors, will pull into the nearside lane before coming to a complete stop. Using VW swarm data, the car will also follow a path preferred by previous VW cars so in theory could avoid a pothole.
autoPilot from Testo holds to the middle of the lane regardless which is annoying when you’re passing a while vehicle. tight corners, its steering inputs are extremely choppy as if it’s looking only two or three car lengths in front. It should be looking 15 car lengths down the road and scribing its turning arcs to end up at that point.
Hot take: I'm actually happy that many of these systems do not work off Interstate Corridors, and I think that driver assist functionality should not be available in residential areas at all, outside of accident avoidance systems (e.g., automatic braking).
We love our Pacifica Hybrid as our family road trip vehicle. Super comfy, good mpg, tons of room. Wish GM would bring back a minivan with SuperCruise. Sliding doors for the win!
kia carinval is the bets minivan, and it has highway driving assist! But tbf it's newer then pacifica so it makes sense, would be a good upgrade, 10yr warranty too
This system looks pretty incredible. I wonder how the camera coverings on the steering wheel will hold up over time. Will they get too coated to function?
The completely hands free thing is very nice. That's the one thing I don't like about my Model Y Autopilot. You always have to have a hand on the wheel.
I enjoyed your video. However with all your talk about Super Cruise, you failed to mention that it is only provided FREE for tthe 1st 3 years of car ownership. After 3 years it reverts to a subscription service (Fee payment required) - Does TESLA and FORD have this the same requirement for payment to use the driver assist features in the TESLA and FORD vehicles? Cadillac does - I looked it up on their website after your mention of their Super cruise.
I'm confused. Does this system not work at all on non-premapped highways? Or does it work differently. I realize I'm a minority in where I drive, but premapped only would be close to useless for me. My current Volvo does a great job on backroads and even in-town roads as long as it has lane markers. I'm on major highways about twice a year.
You should find a viewer with Comma AI's OpenPilot and give it a shot. It can be added to more than 200 vehicles and consumer reports scored it higher than all other systems. (I volunteer to let you use mine)
Love the video. I'm a little surprised that you weren't more critical of the auto-lane change. It appeared to me to recognize the need to pass very late and slow down way too much. Seems like it should be able to recognize that it's gaining on a vehicle and start looking for an opening much earlier so as to avoid slowing down, if possible. In the first lane change with the truck in the right lane, Super Cruise dropped you from 65 to 47 instead of just getting over earlier. I would add this as a criteria and deduct a point or two for it; that is not ideal. However, in a later lane change, it got over very early and didn't need to brake at all. It reminds me of how many, if not all, Adaptive Cruise Control cars will slow down way too late when traffic slows or stops on the highway. Our 2018 Odyssey does not start slowing nearly early enough when traffic slows and if you let it go, it will have to engage the Collision Mitigation Braking System.
I'll be super curious how many roads UltrCruise adds and if there is more winging it without mapping as far as lane keep/centering and such which aren't mapped.
@@zzmkdw Yep, but it's not clear to me if that is related to some google streetview like effort to scan all the roads and they are that far and just need a system capable of getting that info out to a range of cars or stored on them, or if it's a more autonomous/AI oriented setup that does it's own thing so long as it's a generally standard painted roadway of some sorts?
@@roboticvenom1935 it's the GM supercruise replacement that will include a lot of roads other than limited access divided interstate style roads. It's just not clear if it'll work almost anywhere or if it's still dependent on area being mapped by GM LiDAR mapping efforts. They claim 95%, I don't know if that is achieved with their mapping effort or if they just have something more AI and autonomous generally and 95% is about how many they have the confidence to keep it active.
love out of spec - but videos are getting too long and you digrece too much. would be great if they were shorter and to the point. On the Hogback its too complicated and we need some screen shots of the point system and points getting assigned and subtractions. it would help.
“it does such a good job at lane selection for the auto lane changes” … “sorry to the Toyota that we keep changing lanes all over the place and don’t look like we have a clue” 😂. Which is it?
Shit is worse then openpilot lmfao, and how much did you pay for FSD lol? "not really excited to see any ice vehicle reviewed," it's about testing the GM super cruise system, not it being an ice vehicle dummy.
eventually the supercruized cars will autonomously premap the roads without any human interference. plus all supercruise cars will be real time connected to share data with same driving destination. think of as a super patrol lidar car driving major roads constantly
The other big downside other than mapped roads is how strict it is for construction zones. If you want to use it for a commute via Interstates in a big metro, ALL roads are permanently considered under construction. This is true even if it's just adding a frontage road or whatever. It's useless for commutes.
Can’t overlook the comparison is to autopilot and not FSD. Autopilot can cruise on any highway or throughway and isn’t limited to a mapped road. Cruise is nice though compared to the cruise control of the early years 1990s & 2000s.
What a review. I can't tell if you are praising their tech or commenting on the safety. If this is the best system you ever tested and you have issues with 'phantom" breaking in Tesla's I don't know how you are qualified to make a honest review. You drove this for 30 miles, you probably drove that Tesla for over 2000 miles. Do you think this product wouldn't have atleast as many issues as the Tesla? And seriously, a phantom break in a Tesla is mostly always around 5 miles decel, maybe even less. What your 30 mile ride showed me is a system that's erratic and might take you off guard at any moment.
@@nothere572 Yea supercruse.. it works 100%, 5% of the time. I wish my tests were graded with the leniency of this Super Cruise. Failure to turn on twice and one disengagement without warning all in a 30 mile drive... utterly useless, but when it works it makes you feel sooo good lololol. I'm not a Tesla fan, it's objectively a more advanced and useful system on a per mile metric.
@@nothere572 Now you just have to pre-map all roads in America in order for SuperCruise to work everywhere. Unless you don't care when it will not work. Seems silly to me, but definitely on par for GM. Oh, and you get to start paying for it after 3 years, not 7 years like Tesla. I wonder if SuperCruise will still work when GM is out of business by 2030?
@@tomdrewenskus8167 Yup, just like I said, you are 100% a delusional Tesla fan. Saying stuff like legacy brands will be out of business by 2030. Give me a break.
@@Dannyar10 I’d rather have a system that is under confident than over confident. Autopilot thinks it can do too much and fails spectacularly when it meets its match. But I doubt you’ll acknowledge that.
What a great test. Next time, get a 1970's car. It won't be able to do any section of the test, but it should be the absolute winner, since no points will be deducted for not doing the tests.
As amazing as these systems are, I see an issue. As they become more capable and their databases expand they are going to be doing the driving 95% of the time. Then, when they can't cope they are going to switch off and hand over to a driver who doesn't drive 95% of the time. We all get rusty, responses aren't as sharp or instinctive when you don't do something all the time and that is waht the driver who is expected to take over when the system gives up....which it does just after it's made a dangerous, unsignalled, move at 00:25:48 (and you only docked it 2 points?)
Kyle your wrong. It might not have been mapped. One company might have mapped it others not. It’s not a confidence issue. Sheesh and drive with some frugality in gas vehicles. No need to jack rabbit start.
