Super Mario Maker - 6 Years Later. 

Wasn't expecting that "Trials of Death" portion of the video, but it was cool to see. Even with uploads being removed, the level will still see a completion from me some day. It's not over yet. ;)

This sounds like a typical nintendo-problem: Great developers, awful decisions at the highest level.

Ceave: **Plays Game** Nintendo: "This is not how you are supposed to play the Game"

"Oh our game's broken, I guess it's time to *destroy anyone who uploads a level with even the tiniest of glitches"*

I forgot how much i missed ceave's yum yum mushroom mario maker mannerisms

I miss ceave’s Mario maker content where he built crazy contraptions and then the whole community would just be stunned and start using those contraptions in their levels

On the bright side, now, we can clear every uncleared level officially.

“You’re having fun the wrong way” *removes fun glitch*

Braden is still trying to clear trials of death even with servers down. He has found a cleaver way around this by uploading the level in an alt account and once he clears it he will reveal the code.

We often forget that the people who make the games are different from the people who run the company. The devs want to create something fun, the executives want the money. If you like the old game too much they might as well ask the devs to "fix it" so you buy the new one...

This commentary resonates with me greatly and I’m glad that the struggles of Mario Maker creators are getting voiced out finally. I don’t expect many people to read this, but here’s my story as a level creator for Mario Maker 2. One of the main criticisms with this video that I can see being said is “but Mario Maker has a sequel! Of course it’s natural for Nintendo to focus their updates and support on that instead.” This couldn’t be further from the truth, actually. Mario Maker 2 was released in late June 2019, and Nintendo has confirmed, in one of their sparse announcements to the community, that content updates for the game have already ended. There were three content updates in total, the most recent of which was over a year ago. It took less than a year for Nintendo to move on from their game. The only signs the community gets that Nintendo is still paying attention anymore, is from the strict and unjust moderation system (more on that below), and when they release a game patch. These games patches, whilst incrementing the version number on the title screen, actually act as the opposite to updates. More often than not, the patches take away content; content that the community has found from hundreds of hours of research, and that are only made up of interactions of elements in the game, like Ceave was explaining in the video. This is an oversimplified analogy, but it translates smoothly to much of the discoveries that the community has made about the game. Imagine that Nintendo saw Ceave’s “don’t look left contraption”, showcased in the video at 9:50 , and thought something along the lines of “we didn’t intend the elements of the game to be used in that way. Whilst it isn’t the case here, this contraption could be used in an unfair way to players, since they might not know what made the floor turn to coins if they weren’t told.” Nintendo might then decide to remove a fundamental feature of the game, such as allowing boos to be in enemy stacks, specifically to disallow contraptions like this one. It is commonplace for Nintendo’s game patches to be hastily implemented, and break more features of the game than they “fix”. And remember that many of these “fixes” originate from fundamentally flawed reasoning in the first place. A common motto that originated in the Mario Maker fan community relating to Nintendo’s approach, is “Have fun, correctly”. Whenever Nintendo sees something that doesn’t align with their vision of what a Mario game should be, it gets booted from Mario Maker. Nintendo shouldn’t be allowed to govern what types and genres of creations get made by the community, providing that the creations aren’t rude or profane (which is what the moderation system would be for, if it actually did its job). Moving on to the game’s moderation system, the critically important parts of it do function correctly, I will admit. Any profane language or adult imagery gets removed almost immediately. However, there is also the issue of Nintendo extending this moderation system into more of a censorship tool, and seeing it as their duty to remove anything that doesn’t align with their preconceptions of the kind of content that a Mario game should relate to. They have a particularly strict stance on “glitches”. Half the time, the Mario Maker community doesn’t even realise that a combination of game elements could be considered as illegal, until Nintendo starts removing levels from their servers that contain the setups. If this happens too many times to a creator, they get banned from uploading levels at all, meaning that the $40 they paid for the game is now effectively gone. And let me be clear here, the kind of glitches that provoke Nintendo to do this aren’t things that freeze the game, overwork the Switch hardware, etc. It’s actually simple things, such as a bullet bill launcher moving faster than it should, or a way for the player to clip through a one-way gate in the opposite direction. It’s unfair and unjust, and ought not to matter in the grand scheme of things at all. But Nintendo takes offense and lifts the ban hammer regardless. Personally, I hate Nintendo. I absolutely despise their approach to community relations, how they treat the loving communities that build around their games, and how they have already started to ignore Mario Maker 2, a game that hasn’t even been out two years at this point. In fact, let me rephrase that; I would be HAPPY if they ignored the game. It would mean that the community would be able to design creative and innovative levels from a variety of genres, without the fear of Nintendo breathing over our shoulders and being all too ready to wield the ban hammer. I feel like I speak for a lot of the community when I say that we would be very willing to move to another game creation engine immediately, if it weren’t for the fact that Mario Maker and Mario Maker 2 are by far the best tools for the job. It isn’t even close. Nintendo is often ingenious at designing games, and yet doesn’t understand how to deal with the people who play them. If you’re still reading, thanks for making it this far. This comment has turned into a bit of a rant, but I feel that all this frustration is completely justified, for all the stuff that Nintendo has made the community go through over the past six years.

I knew we were going to get *at least* one more Mario Maker vid from Ceave. The time has come!

I'll always be nostalgic for those "A Goomba Story" levels before Miiverse got nuked and removed all of the dialogue comments. Also, 7:48 I experienced that back when I used RPG Maker 2000. It had a bunch of features missing that are basically required now, so I had to think of novice loopholes that actually ended up making cool things I wouldn't have otherwise if I wasn't limited.

I uploaded two levels at the end of March, and they didn't get any stars, so they got deleted from the servers AFTER April 1st and I have no way of uploading them back :')

Classic Nintendo, if we're not having fun their way we ain't having fun at all.

Someone: why super Mario maker is your favorite game? Ceave: well... its actually suprisingly simple

6 years later, and I still really miss the Amiibo Costumes that Mario Maker 1 had There was an insane amount of charm in them that's just gone in MM2

I fell in love with mario maker when me and my dad stayed up till midnight taking turns playing the game together. Ahhh the nostalgia

I love how you gave credit to Terraria being different than Minecraft. Made me feel happy, because I love both.

You are insanely underrated for all of the effort you put into these videos.

It’s been 6 years!!! Makes me feel a lot older.

wow... i remember all your old super mario maker videos and when you would theorize about mario maker 2... it's been so long

i didn't even know that in super mario maker you couldn't upload levels anymore and this left a wound in my heart.

Great video, Ceave! And yeah, as has been stated here, Braden did upload a secret "dev door" sort of version of Trials of Death on an alt account, which he will direct people to after the clear and show them what to edit, so Nintendo was outplayed a bit at least :)

I love how, ever since you started using a camera in your videos, you've been adding items to the background that stay there in future videos. Its turned into some sort of running gag, that keeps coming back up, and I find that entertaining.

everyone gangsta till the door clicking sound effect plays

I missed Ceave saying "Shiny, yet deadly coins, so much.

I miss when this lad tried to make a "tips and tricks" for every item.... ah the good ol' days

You know, when you play a gig and make a mistake during a song, you laugh it off and play on, not kick the whole audience out of the building... And now I'm afraid of Mario Marker 2. Please don't kill it too soon :c

Ceave: “No other game even comes close to the fun and enjoyment I had from scribbling together silly levels and deadly contraptions.” SMM2: Am I a joke to you?

At this point Ceave's uploads are like an alarm on my phone that goes off once a month to remind me that Nintendo is not my Ninfriendo.

This video is beautiful, I miss ceave it’s sad that he stopped posting 😢

I guess now is time to become a Game Builder Garage player.

a tear fell out my eye when he said “shiny but deadly”

Is it just me or does he sound sadder than normal in this video?

It's impressive how well your videos combine analysis, humor, nostalgia and even storytelling. Your video essays kinda have plot in them. Keep at it!

If the community is as dedicated as you make them out to be, there should be modded custom servers running in the somewhat near future, similar to what MKWii has now

"Minecraft and Terraria are two very similar games-" _"Don't you dare"_ "On the surface" "...I'll let you off this time..."

Alternative title: Bomb-ombs get ignited with every source of fire in the game

A perfect blend of Ceave's classic Mario Maker videos with his new, ultra-analytic videos! I like both types, but seeing them together is awesom! Another thing about Minecraft is that it shows one of the best examples of community management out there. Not only do they regularly update the game with massive additions, they are constantly asking for, listening to, and implementing feedback from every different playstyle in the community. They provide detailed patch notes, only patch out glitches that objectively don't belong in the game, and even have let players know of unintended behavior well before they plan to change it to allow people to change farm designs, etc.

I can literally think of only 1 other game that offers easy level creation and uploading like Super Mario Maker does.

memories of my most played Wii U game along with watching your videos when I was younger... wow

Even now, in Mario Maker 2, Nintendo is deleting levels and removing likes from troll creators that spend hundreds of hours making and refining each one of their levels to perfection.

Six years? God I still remember people celebrating “two years of Mario maker”..

13:33 Actually, Braden has said that he already uploaded the level and liked it on some alts to prevent it from being removed, he said he'd make the level code public when he beats the level

I guess the moral of the story is to enjoy a game while it still lasts.

"It is no longer possible to upload stages." Press F To Pay Respects

It’s already been almost 6 years? I feel so old playing this when I was in 4th grade. Now I’m in high school.

Don’t be sad because it’s over, smile because it happened

Oh, the nostalgea. And we now know that Ceave likes Terraria and Minecaft

With splatoon 3 there's 2 things that might have happened at nintendo 1. They announced it just because they felt like it 2. They had the perfect idea that will make it the best game ever and it will make splatoon 1 and 2 feel like a beta

Thank you so much, Ceave! My friend has been asking me for months to prove why 'Super Mario Maker' is such a good game, and up until now I have not known what to say. This video proves everything I need to explain to my friend my opinion. I have spent so long searching for videos like this, and here you are, always helping people out. Keep up the good work, and I hope to see some new creative videos later!

Would really love to see you revisit Mega Man Maker sometime, it's gotten tons of cool updates and seems to be doing everything right.

I'm so glad that we Mario Kart Wii enjoyers have Wiimmfi

"just because of a lack of support on Nintendo's side". this really reminds me of the adobe flash situation... the history of flash website had a little section where iconic flash game developers wrote a tiny postmortem of sort on adobe flash. and in many, many of them i saw them accusing adobe with its lack of support. flash fell behind. mobile gaming, security flaws, flash games being super laggy and so, so many other things were on the rise and adobe flash refused to budge from it's seat. when they finally made their move, it was too little and too late. it's so sad to see this struggle repeat again, with mario maker's community. a creative community put down because it's creators wouldn't do crap or even worked against them, squandering it's potential. super mario maker and adobe flash COULD have been so much more, but again, it's owners being lazy in supporting it or draconian with its community killed it. i hope the popular mario maker creators are doing ok, just like how many people used adobe flash to jumpstart their careers... atleast we know ceave is doing well!

Being a Nintendo fan is like owning a cat. You want to love it, but it constantly fights back.

It's so sad to look back and only see template levels

I forgot how much I loved the tips tricks and ideas series. Now that the final big updates for Mario maker 2 is out would you consider doing the same with the new items? Pls.

Great video! My two favorite points were that 1. Less options is sometimes better and more importantly 2. All the mechanics in mario are built to interact with one another. As a game designer I used to think that mechanics are meant to be built one way and then have additional functionality layered on as needed. Going forward though I'm going to expairiment with this idea of making all my mechanics fit into an interconnected web right from the get go rather than updating them as my needs change. This could lead to some exciting new level concepts in my games! You rock Ceave! Thank you for the great content!

Mario Maker was literally my favorite game. I was like a little kid when it came out and begged my mom to get it as soon as it was announced. My mom got for me a few weeks after it came out thankfully, and I remember waking up in the morning and taking the game pad from the living room and secretly taking it to my room, or at least at the door of my room so it would still connect. I spent hours making one level I was super proud of. It doesn’t really hold up today but it’s still cool and pretty hard! The Wii U didn’t have online and my parents said they would do it when they had time ( years later, they still didn’t do it lol, but I’m getting Nintendo Online anyway. ) I have some super duper cool levels and I started watching RU-vidrs like you and BTG and the level I was talking about, I made them so that I could share the level with you guys for you to play. Half of my levels are from the first 2-3 years of getting the game, and the rest is after. And I wish I had the online so I could of shared the levels back then, oh well. Still the game is like one of the best games of my childhood.

And then there's ultimate still getting new characters

How the hell did I just know that Ceave would mention Terraria once I clicked on the video

Finally!!! I've been waiting _so long_ for another of Ceave's Mario Maker videos! I know it will be amazing, as usual!

I remember watching your videos and being amazed by all the possibilities in this game, then I'd instantly take the new tricks I learned and try to build a neat level around them. Mario maker 2 doesn't have that same level of interaction, many objects, such as pokeys and twisters, are just kind of their own thing, and don't really have any use in contraptions. Nintendo needs to stop trying to control the way we play their games, and just let people have fun.

Finally, new SMM episode from ceave

4:20 fun fact: today is terraria's 10th anniversary

I once read a comment that said nintendo embodies "you're having fun the wrong way". Over the years this has become truer and truer.

no way it’s been 6 years already...

Well let's just hope that now they're making Game Builder Garage, a game where they actually want you be creative that they let the community do what they want... Lol, like that's going to happen.

Man, I remember how I used to watch your videos with so much interest, even though I never touched the game in my life. It seemed like a really creative game and I loved all the crazy contraptions. Sometimes I wish Nintendo was more like Mojang in a sense, they keep giving new content to play with every update, and even hearing what the community wants. Mario Maker, to me, had the potential to be one extraordinary game that people would still play after 10 years or so. Sadly, the Big N loves to give the players who love their games the middle finger, with things like the Smash Bros Tournament.

Your first experience with Mario Maker sounds like learning programming feels. When I was younger, I created games using Game Maker, and didn't know much about programming before. Since Game Maker was simple, I was still able to make a few small games with it. But then I got a problem: I needed to link multiple objects to a single object, so that some object can communicate to some other objects in the same way without having to rewrite the script for every object. When looking for a solution, I found out about arrays (I used them in the computer science class in school already), and this way, I did not only solve that problem, but many new ways to add interesting mechanics opened.

Fan: "Wow, we can have so much fun with this game!" Nintendo: "We don't do that here."

Just a super tiny reminder that people on the 3DS Version were never able to upload or search levels.

Btw, trial of death was uploaded with a dev exit, and the code for that will be released when it is “properly” completed

That was a very nice shoutout to Chain Chomp Braden and other creators! Great video, very well organized! It alway did feel like it was the SMM community VS Nintendo, it was so frustrating how out of touch they were relative to those who loved the game.

I think you nailed the reason games like Mario Maker are fun, and your comparison between Mario Maker and Minecraft was absolutely perfect. I made a comment before I finished watching your video, only to realize you said the exact same thing I said. By providing limited options on the surface, but complex depth and interconnectedness a layer below, it allows you to easily get sucked in but can allow you to continue learning and playing for as long as you want to discover new interactions between the limited assets

Insane queso platforming. That's what we're here to see!

Biggest problem in Mario Maker 2 is that the level editor camera is zoomed way too far in.

I feel like SMM2 had a chance to have the same level of shenanigans possible in SMM1, but Nintendo just patched out all of the glitches within a week of their discovery, forcing us to work within the arbitrary limitations set up by Nintendo. I mean within the first month of SMM2 we had teleporting tracked items, collisionless blocks, air that had collisions without a visible block, duplicating blocks, and flying chainchomps. All of those glitches were patched out within a month of their discovery, even though they had so much potential for amazing levels Edit: I almost forgot, icicle global ground was removed almost immediately as well

I can’t believe I never realized this before. I love writing poetry, but now that I’ve graduated I find myself having a huge amount of writers block. Why is that? I’ve gotten so much better at it. It exactly as you say. Limitation boost creativity. Over 80% of my poems were written about a specific topic that my school told me to write it about. That’s what made it so much easier and more enjoyable. I had to work with what I had. Now that makes wonder, is that part of the reason why several oppressed or poor countries have so much more happiness overall? It’s just true, ask any escaped North Korean. Even though it’s not hard to see that the outside world is so much better, people under the strict government limitations are far more content with what they do have. Man, this Mario Maker video is going to keep me up all night now.

Meanwhile we have Mario Kart 8, an online game that came out in May 29, 2014. 7 years with no sign of Mario Kart 9 ever coming out. I want a new Mario Kart. 7 years of the same thing becomes bland. I want new maps, new items, new modes, new characters, and new graphics.

One of my favorite Game series ever! So sad MM2 only got 2 Updates

Great video. Happy to see Braden get a shout-out for his efforts.

For the Splatoon comparison as someone from the community, Splat 3 makes a ton of sense, but it does because the game has a lot of things to add that don't make sense for Splat 2 to have (new mechanics, diffrent types of specials, new story/location). Splatoon 2 got over a year and a half of constant updates, they streched out DLC for a long time before working on the 3rd game. Mario maker is just diffrent to me due to being a level editor, and being able to last so much longer due to that factor, but it gets some of the least DLC support I've ever seen. I don't know why honestly. Honestly they aren't even doing the Splatoon approach for Mario Maker, or it would be significantly more content for a lot longer, the decisions Nintendo made with SMM suck.

The thing is, I feel like this is gonna happen for SMM2 as well. It's the "grand sequel" and it literally only got 2 updates. They didn't bother to flesh out the game at all! There was a lot of potential in it, and now it's over. Soon, the same treatment will occur; it'll lose all its active abilities and just become a shell of its former self...

Glitches that don't kill the fun should just stay in the game because it ads new possibilities for those who have fun with them Change my mind

your levels in the maker series are so amazing! nintendo should hire you

Your content and channel is so underrated. Keep going!

We make games but we hate that people play them -Nintendo

Idk why, but the original Mario Maker has a vibe that Mario Maker 2 just could not copy, idk what it is but I really like it.

I just want to say, thank you Ceave for putting subtitles on your videos!

From about 5:00 to 8:30 you took the thoughts right out of my head. I had nearly the exact same exchange about Minecraft and SMM1.

We need a private server for SMM now. Of course, place a ton of brick facts on its HTTP homepage to deter Nintendo.

I mean I do agree that limitations breed creativity, but the terraria-minecraft comparison seems a little lacking. The third dimension is just such an upgrade to architecture, that it dwarfes the creative limitations.

This makes me respect Nadeo even more for keeping their all games alive and preserving the bugs that community loves. One of the alpha testers of TrackMania 2020 told me that they had to test that even the most ridiculous bugs work with the new physics as they should so that the game pleases the old TrackMania fans too.

The ending made me tear up a bit, ngl. Such big potential for a game... Also my favourite gaming community BY FAR!

It's been 6 years? I still remember watching the Mario Maker trailer like it came out last year.

The first game felt so special because the community was just loving it and making new things yet Nintendo patched out so many cool things. Even comments, making so many story levels obsolete. I hope smm2 can live up to it

So Nintendo just want Super Mario Maker games to be an absolutely normal Mario level editor of sort. Then there's the community. Also, long time no see.

Its been a while since I last saw this channel. I still remember the memories of the Yum-yum Mushrooms, to the shiny yet deadly coins.