Support Systems for Gimbals featuring the Zhiyun Crane 3S

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The Crane 3S can hold up to 6.5kg, which means it's going to get heavy and you'll need some sort of support system for longer days of shooting.
In this video I compare a handful of different methods to take that weight off your arms a bit, and the pros and cons of each.
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Zhiyun Crane 3S: store.zhiyun-tech.com/product...
DigitalFoto Magic Ring: geni.us/DFMR
DigitalFoto DH04 Pro: geni.us/DH04P
Easyrig Minimax: geni.us/minimax
16x9 Kong Adapter: geni.us/kong
Proaim Galaxy: www.proaim.com/products/flyca...
DigitalFoto Hook Vest: geni.us/DFHV818
DigitaFoto Hook Vest with Spring Arm: geni.us/DFHVCombo
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@rasidualimage Год назад

That thumbnail I was like damn how did you do that. I just got my crane 3s and with my r5c and battery it weighs a ton. Thanks for this video!

@YoungBlaze 3 года назад

this is the only channel ive found that talks about this issue

@ScottDumas 3 года назад

It always kills me seeing people walk around with it like it's not heavy haha... or at least it makes me feel weak ;)

@YoungBlaze 3 года назад

@@ScottDumas dude, for the life of me, i don't understand why zyhiun hasnt made a proprietary vest support for this

@ScottDumas 3 года назад

@@YoungBlaze They really could capitalize on that, definitely a missed opportunity. Even if they collaborated officially with some other manufacturer.

@AshvonChamier 4 года назад

Appreciate all the documented testing buddy!

@ScottDumas 4 года назад

My pleasure! (although not my back's, haha)

@malcolmwillis5409 3 года назад

Hi Thank you for researching the options available. a great help

@gamedesign1 3 года назад

I am so glad you said what you did about the weight on that screw thread, . I had been thinking that too. A lot of people don't seem to be worrying about it, which is scary. I am currently trying to design a better connection :)

@martinmichael7194 2 года назад

Instablaster.

@ZedsTechTips 4 года назад

That's a huge rig! Nice vid dude

@ScottDumas 4 года назад

Thanks man!

@brettalexander.studio 2 года назад

Thanks for the awesome video!

@houstonprofessionalphotogr2603 3 года назад

I always learn something in every video of your i watch. Thank you again.

@ScottDumas 3 года назад

Ride with Rome that’s one of the best types of comments I could ask for, glad to hear it!! :)

@MikeDiNatale2740 3 года назад

Doing something similar with a 2” pipe clamp W/eyehook on the crane3SE with easysling arm and a hook vest + plvid spring arm works great, still getting used the the smooth walk, but I agree a support system is 100% necessary thank god I got that before the gimbal

@annepaulus 3 года назад

Great video. Needed this info as my back is hurting after walking around with the crane 3s a few days without support. Was looking into the minimax (as the vario 5 is too expensive imho), but i fear that doesnt have enough capacity. The DF option is a good alternative, so thanks for the tip and info!

@andreimelinte4217 3 года назад

So helpful. Very nice!

@LukeAsper 3 года назад

I ordered the SmallRig ring for mine, hasnt come in yet but I like that I would be able to mount it upside down to help with the walking movements. I also have the FlyFlow vest that Im wanting to try with it. Did not know about digitalFoto!

@FlyingJackalope 4 года назад

Definitely look into the Ready Rig. Those are made for gimbal use and can really take the weight off your back.

@ScottDumas 4 года назад

Thanks! Definitely one that I missed out on but want to try out. I'll see if I can get my hands on one :)

@HighDesertEntertainmentHDE 4 года назад

I have the Ready GS and I used just one arm to help carry the Crane 3S. Super awesome! A little pricey but definitely does not break my back at the end of the day. I had the Steadicam knockoff, the Easyrig knockoff and they are just not design to save your back. So, bit the bullet and bought the Ready Rig GS. Scott, when you say there is no system that will eliminate the up and down motion, well, there is, that's the Ready Rig GS. Thanks!

@RyanAudencial 4 года назад

Those are heavy rigs Scott but I liked the Hook Vest a lot. Seems comfy and have great results. Thanks for the tips man!

@ScottDumas 4 года назад

You bet! Thanks for watching!

@willjellicorse3600 4 года назад

Super helpful! Thanks so much

@ScottDumas 4 года назад

Glad it was helpful! Thanks so much for watching :)

@iknahid 3 года назад

Great video

@BoboBoboro 3 года назад

Great vid dud.

@JOMprodBeta 3 года назад

I'm just glad there is a community of people that agree that this thing is heavy. I thought I really needed to hit the gym after trying to use this zhiyun crane 3s with my canon c70. I could really only comfortably hold it for one shot at a time and then set it down for a break. I'm thinking about trying the vest and arm option...originally i was thinking i would do the ring and easy rig style option also...can't decide.

@Tricumulairdesigns Год назад

You can also use a monitor mount on the side of the gimbal, that works great for me and could fix your easy rig problem as well

@innatemusic 3 года назад

Good to know. Thanks!

@martinparzenfilm3498 4 года назад

great video .thx

@ScottDumas 4 года назад

My pleasure, thanks for watching :)

@nazdavidoff 4 года назад

Good job

@ScottDumas 4 года назад

Thanks so much! :)

@joicam123 4 года назад

Great video with great solutions Scott. But two things I would like to add. I have been using a dual handle spring grip not the one from Digitalfoto but they all work the same, you are right that you will need to take the walk as you need to do without that grip and it will damp the up and down movements. But you those arms need to be calibrated till they are flatten out centered to the sides to work correctly, they may not lean up or downwards if you want it to do its best job. The problem using the flycam steady rig this way you do with out the pole, just using the adapter will be hard because it will be so top heavy, the pole will help a lot because of more balanced setup having the weight on the bottom instead of having such top heavy setup. that way you will get rid of the forced side swing and twitch, kinda like the Dynamic Balance problem. Plus you can put the gimbal into under sling easily just by turning it upside down to get the lower angle shots. P.s. I am not complaining, just two pointers that could help. The west with the spring arm is a really great solution as you say, quick setup and it just works.

@ScottDumas 4 года назад

Hi! Thanks again, saw your comment on facebook as well :) Agreed on both points- calibrating and a counterweight for the flycam :) Thanks again for watching!

@joicam123 4 года назад

@@ScottDumas yeah sorry. First I commented in here but then thought I should comment on Facebook instead :) So again thanks for the video :)

@inFreestyle 3 года назад

Thank you man. I have the same easyrig and the e2. And I was thinking about to buy the crane3s. But it’s to heavy. Need to searching one other

@lukejacobson1146 2 года назад

Thanks! Liked and subscribed. I already own an easyrig vario, do you think the digitalfoto spring arm could be rigged on that? Would save having to buy a whole new vest

@chlowden 3 года назад

I use an Aigle steadicam arm & vest attached to the 3S Crane via Manfrotto 123 rotule and the 3S easysling handle that fit perfectly. The rotule makes getting the rig off the arm relatively easy and it is designed for far greater loads than this. The total gimbal rig weighs in at 13 kgs, so I have a heavy weight arm to take the load. I hope this helps someone

@chlowden 3 года назад

Just to add that this is Red Epic MX with cine follow focus and lenses, so lots of accessories. I found that on heavy rigs, the Zhiyun extra powerpack is both a better weight distribution and gives the motor badly needed extra power.

@chlowden 3 года назад

Another issue i have discovered is hanging cables. The gimbal was nodding when I walked but this attenuated slot when I managed hanging cables . Also, with heavy rigs, balancing is so critical and so is fiddling with modes on my smart phone to get the smoothest result. I shoot on 50mm at T3.2 at widest so I am not making my life easy but I am starting to get acceptable results.

@amadeusblachowicz4956 2 года назад

i still look for an another option to get a smoother result. May it could be the tilta armor man II, to support the DF gimbal Rig

@whidbey88 3 года назад

Can you add a link for that digitalfoto adapter that connects the Crane 3S to the ProAIM Galaxy. I know you didn’t like that setup, but I have both and would like to try it. Thanks, Great video.

@jrvelarde4002 3 года назад

Hey Scott! Great video! How do you like the quality of the digitalfoto vest vs the easyrig minimax for non gimbal work? Is it worth it to pay the premium of the easyrig?

@ScottDumas 3 года назад

I want to say the Easyrig is 5-10% nicer... but I was honestly very impressed with the quality of the DF vest. I know lots of people don't like recommending "rip offs" of the original, but not everyone can justify $1,000s of dollars more just out of respect, haha. If you've got no ethical qualms about it, I'd recommend the DF vest. Hard to say which will hold up better over 5-10+ years of heavy use, but it's comfortable and feels safe/secure.

@montecristoaudiovisuales 4 года назад

Do you use the extra power case to make it work with a heavy camera? Thanks!

@ScottDumas 4 года назад

I use it both with and without and I've got decent results both ways :)

@jhonatanoliveira1182 3 года назад

Great video! Please post link to adapter on 11:24

@Chadlite 3 года назад

You should try the glidegear g2g 500. Seems like the only professional/affordable version of the arri trinity. Just wonder how it handles the up and down motion.

@coveredtreasuresfilmprojec7590 3 года назад

I was looking at that also . I can't find any reviews on it .

@taylorjenkins3021 3 года назад

Very helpful! As I look into these rigs that hold my Crane 3S inverted, I'm trying to troubleshoot an issue. When booting up, my crane always spins around to have the camera facing the sling handle, whereas in your video, and other amongst other users, I see that it's able to face away from the handle. Does your crane do this when you boot it up, and you have to pan it to face the correct direction with the joystick every time?

@ScottDumas 3 года назад

Hey, thanks for watching. That is strange though- I had it freak out and go upside down once, but usually if I boot it on in underslung mode it stays where it should.

@lightartfilms 3 года назад

I don't know if you figured this out, but just put the gimbal arm on the left side instead of the right side off the camera. Now it won't swing around at start-up.

@AnJoek 3 года назад

Thanks for sharing!. I would like to try the setup with the flycam. Do you have a link of the adaptor you used? Can't seem to find it on DigitalFoto. Thank you!

@AnJoek 3 года назад

I think I found it digitalfoto.store/products/digitalfoto-th01

@ScottDumas 3 года назад

Thanks for watching! I think you mean this adapter? 16x9 Kong Adapter: geni.us/kong

@jcinewilliams8819 3 года назад

I own a tilta max armor man do you think a the Crane 3s is workable?

@Diro_Nikhil 2 года назад

Just watching it as a potential solution for my Ursa 12k ... The 3 rig setup of a Flycam, Ziyun and a circular ring just looks too messed up on a docu shoot ... The setup makes normal people aware of the camera more than they should. So looking for those solutions

@studiodaser901 3 года назад

Hola en el minuto 11:23 incluyes un adaptador para el brazo y que enrosca en el crane 3S, serías tan amable como para decirme dónde lo puedo conseguir, gracias. Hello at 11:23, you include an adapter for the arm and that threads into the crane 3S, would you be do kind as to tell me where I can get it, thanks.

@AnJoek 3 года назад

Would like to know that to. Thanks!

@shutterhouse 4 года назад

He is not just a filmer, not DP, he is Mecha-Scott *Japanese Kaiju Music Playing*

@ScottDumas 4 года назад

Hahahaha 😂

@thomaswindfeld728 4 года назад

Hi Scott. I have been looking for a ring grib for the Ronin S THIS WEEK! Your timing is amazing! :-D Does the one shown in your video, work with the Ronin S?

@thomaswindfeld728 4 года назад

Never mind. I red it on the product page and it looks like it does :-)

@ScottDumas 4 года назад

@@thomaswindfeld728 Yep! It's just a quick release style mount so it should work with most gimbals :)

@thomaswindfeld728 4 года назад

@@ScottDumas Just pre ordered it! :-D So wierd you posted this now, seriously. I have spend hours online looking for this, the last weeke or so :-D

@ScottDumas 4 года назад

@@thomaswindfeld728 Haha awesome! Hope you enjoy it! :)

@Justin_Allen 4 года назад

Great information. Are you planning to test the Thanos Pro system for the Crane 3S? I am wondering if the lower attachment point would provide better weight distribution because it uses your legs instead of you upper body?

@ScottDumas 4 года назад

I considered trying the Thanos but I'm waiting for a more trustworthy mounting setup with a counterbalance system and pivoting gimbal type handle like a glidecam... as it is, the camera just on top of the Thanos/steadicam arm is too high up and limited in the height range you can comfortably use it, you're basically stuck at that one position. Comfort wise though I'd say that style of vest is pretty equally as comfortable as an easyrig style vest more or less.

@ivankwok3852 4 года назад

@@ScottDumas How do you think this DIY? ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-6gi8syCpUXs.html&feature=emb_title

@coveredtreasuresfilmprojec7590 3 года назад

@@ScottDumas what about the Thanos Pro 2?

@Photographicelements 4 года назад

What were your results using the MagicRing/FigRig without a gimbal?

@ScottDumas 4 года назад

When walking it just looks like a slightly less crazy handheld shot using the ring or a figrig without the gimbal

@KentheMan123 3 года назад

What’s the follow focus system you used for the ring

@ScottDumas 3 года назад

I just used the Zhiyun follow focus system- I think it was the "max" motor.

@arafaaa 3 года назад

what do you think crane 3 lab vs crane 2s My step cage weight 4 kg

@ScottDumas 3 года назад

I think it basically comes down to the different form factor and which you prefer. Also, newer gimbals often benefit from small steps in technological advancements, extra features and design aspects... so the 2S should have the best and the newest of everything.

@rMr.big13 3 года назад

How is the ring grip compared to the ronin m?

@ScottDumas 3 года назад

The (any) ring grip will be similar in experience and results to a dual grip like the Ronin M, but with a ring grip you'll probably have more places to mount monitors etc, as well as being easier to use with something like the Easyrig.

@felipevece 3 года назад

Do you feel is confortalble to use Crane 3s in interiors?

@ScottDumas 3 года назад

Not entirely to be honest, but it would depend a bit on the situation (space available, and if you have crew with you to work as a spotter etc). It's kind of the norm when you start working with larger cameras though and I don't think it's necessarily worse than other large gimbal options. If anything, better... because it CAN be used in a smaller form factor if you've got the stamina for it haha

@felipevece 3 года назад

@@ScottDumas i mostly gonna use it with a Poket 4k, do you think is gona be to inconfortable in small interiors?

@MrAlwaysOnTen 3 года назад

ANYBOY EVER TRY the Tilta ArmorMan Vest? (caps to get your attention)

@wavelength3919 2 года назад

No mention of Tilta Float or equivalent...

@ScottDumas 2 года назад

It's impossible for me to get my hands on everything, of course. I can't comment on what I haven't tried, but either companies like Tilta aren't interested in collaborating on a video like this, and/or I don't have the money to buy all the systems myself. Sorry.

@calebplumridge2935 4 года назад

Super helpful mate, thank you very much. I'm struggling to find the spring arm you mention at 13:20. Can you link me to that? Cheers, thanks again

@ScottDumas 4 года назад

Hi! Here it is, sorry! digitalfoto.store/products/damping-serene-arm-for-easyrig-131

@hellohogo 4 года назад

Shouldn’t you be at least a tiny bit jacked before discounting its effectiveness?😂😂😂 I kid I kid. Good video

@ScottDumas 4 года назад

hahaha, fair enough ;) Thanks for watching!!

@BODYBYSTRUGGLE 3 года назад

Is there a link for the Steadicam adapter to crane 3?

@YungMacFilms 3 года назад

?????

@BoilingJD 4 года назад

can you explain how is it you live in Japan? What's the story ?

@ScottDumas 4 года назад

I came here about 11 years ago originally just to stay for a year or two teaching english... then I met my wife and ended up staying :)

@ivankwok3852 4 года назад

@@ScottDumas nice story.so when and how do you started your videographer career?

@BoilingJD 4 года назад

@@ScottDumas How do you find filming gigs in Japan ? Must be a completely different market ?

@nocturnalmedia3293 3 года назад

The easy rig mini max isn’t used for that type filming

@Photographicelements 4 года назад

That thumbnail tho.. liquify?

@ScottDumas 4 года назад

Nope, 100% natural ;) ...I tried to exaggerate it enough that people would clearly get it was not me just trying to pretend I'm jacked hahaha

@very9000 3 года назад

Hello Friend. I have a problem with Crane 3S. For 6 months now I can't solve the problem😌😌😌When you move forward or backward, does your video jerk? Maybe the power bank for the Blackmagic 6K camera should be placed at the top 👆? I have posted now at the top of the camera 🎥?

@ScottDumas 3 года назад

I know a lot of people have had problems similar to that with shaking and jerky motion, trouble balancing or adjusting the motor strength etc. I had no problems most of the time but there were times when it just didn't work like it should and it got frustrating so I haven't used it in a while. My best advice would just be to try to re-distribute the weight and/or adjust the motor strength and sensitivity the best you can. Sorry to hear about your trouble.

@very9000 3 года назад

Scott Dumas thanks thanks, did anyone actually set it up with an external battery and SSD? Lord, really no one can help 🙏🙏🙏🙏

@very9000 3 года назад

Scott Dumas here you have a smooth beautiful video. have you additionally stabilized with the program?

@very9000 3 года назад

Scott Dumas do you mean to put the power of the motor to the maximum? and where is the sensitivity set ??? 🤷‍♂️🤷‍♂️🤷‍♂️🤷‍♂️

@ScottDumas 3 года назад

@@very9000 Actually the opposite... if you're experiencing too much shaking a lower sensitivity/power might help sometimes. They also recommend using the lens support to have a more balanced support leading to better performance... according to Zhiyun. In the menu on the gimbal you should be able to adjust the motor power and other settings, as well as with the app if you're using it.

@michaelwalsh3462 3 года назад

A 3/8 stainless bolt has a sheer of roughly 3800kg. There’s no way you are going to snap it off.

@ScottDumas 3 года назад

The bolts themselves, sure, but I'd worry more about the threads and the quality of metal (on both sides). I'm definitely not an engineer so I don't really know, but a secondary safety would always be appreciated when putting this much weight and potentially extremely expensive gear on top.

@edgargerke7170 2 года назад

@@ScottDumas This is not "much weight". Wonder how your wheels are mounted to your car.

@bobuk5722 4 года назад

Hi Scott, Hopefully this comes across as friendly. I'm interested in this subject but the intro is far too long. Once past the pre-roll you need to get on with the meat and potatoes. We are 3 mins 30 secs in and you have not said anything useful and some things you have now said twice. I've not got that many years left, please hurry up! BobUK.

@ScottDumas 4 года назад

Haha, point taken ;) I should have put the "skip to 4:00 to get to the actual content" message earlier on in the video, my bad! :)

@billyoung9538 4 года назад

Nothing against the you or the video, but every time I see some one show off the DF spring arms/ 4th axis I get mad, because they literally stole the design from Scotty Makes Stuff's Thingiverse feed where he had been sharing his invention/design with basically the equivalent of a Creative Common non commercial redistribution license, because he also made them for people for a reasonable fee. Despite this they were the first to take his design and then shared it with a bazillion other Chinese knockoffs, and not a penny ever goes back to Scotty. The DF variants are of much poorer quality, and Scotty has made better designs since, but I personally will never buy that particular generic 4th axis, and avoid anything from DF as this was one of the original products that put them on the map.

@ScottDumas 4 года назад

I do totally get that, and I respect Scotty for what he's made (and his great name)... I don't doubt the quality either. I used this particular version for this video because it was what I was able to get my hands on, and I can't unfortunately go around buying everything to review. But yeah, I just hope that buyers who value things like true quality and innovation can have the sense on their own to make the smart decision when buying from or supporting one company or another. Sometimes in this market, unfortunately, availability and price become the deciding factors (although I don't know the price of Scotty's to be honest). It's the same in the market as a film maker or photographer I think. There's always someone cheaper who might "steal" some jobs away based on price or insane offers alone, but if the quality is there for the "original" product and/or photographer, and the company or person behind it is solid, I do hope that they will still find their customer base as well. Sorry if that's a weird convoluted metaphor haha. Hope that makes sense!

@billyoung9538 4 года назад

@@ScottDumas I understand, and know that companies do this to one another all the time. The crucial difference for me in this circumstance was that the license was clearly marked on thingiverse, and it's beyond obvious they literally took every component and didn't even bother to change their shapes. The only significant changes were the casting material is a simple cheep plastic, they reworked the molds for that plastic, and instead of being tool-less they locked the gimbal in place with hex screws. This was back in the days of the Crane 1 V1. They still keep stealing his ideas even with these newer incarnations. I Noticed your version had detachable arms, quick release screws and they add the same interchangeable mount set up he added to his. With all that said Scotties are indeed about 2-3 time the price, but then he also sells all the parts like legos so one can piece together a bigger stronger system later. Also his spring systems are more affordable than some of the other options in video. I mainly bring it up to keep others informed.

@coveredtreasuresfilmprojec7590 3 года назад

@@billyoung9538 wow thanks for sharing. I hate when companies take peoples ideas.