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SUPREME BEAM SHOWDOWN | Dominique Dawes at 1993 Worlds

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In the lastest investigation in our Robbed Goddess Question Mark Series, we go back 30+ years to the 1993 World Gymnastics Championships in Birmingham, England, UK, and take a closer look at the balance beam final. Many feel that Dominique Dawes was the rightful winner, and that Lavinia Miloșovici won based on her name, reputation, and federation.
But is that the case? Get ready for a dose of nostalgia as we go back in time and attempt to answer that question and so much more!
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@cathleensmallwood4120 9 месяцев назад

Hi Wally, once again your reasoning is very sound. I was never comfortable with Lavinia winning this beam gold, but the code ruled. Her two Omeliancheks were to me a poor attempt to do something similar to the Miller. LiLi showed the type of choreography and Dominique the difficulty that draws in fans to the sport. Gymnastics and Figure Skating are sports that have the ability to self correct by rewriting the code of points, and I feel you have pinpointed a moment in time where the sport started down the wrong path. Thanks for your lovely and informed postings!

@SDoesNotKnow 6 месяцев назад

You’re really speaking my language with the Romanians working the code in the most boring ways possible under Octavian Belu and Mariana Bitang. It was genius but boy was it frustrating when you saw other feds doing what they could to add some style, originality, difficulty, and some form of fluid dance to their routines. As the code became more and more stringent, the routines became more uniform and boring overall . This is why Romania really suffered the most with the open-ended scoring system. I think the Karyolis realized the Americans had to do the same thing, and it has affected the U.S. gymnastics philosophy to this day, even under the open-ended system where it was all about execution and minimizing risk without much style or attention to “panache”… for the most part.

@KalenaSnoopy 4 месяца назад

I agree! I think watching compulsories from the old days was better to watch than their boring routines! And how on EARTH did they allow the same move twice in the same routine?? Boring.

@rolandgreen7484 3 месяца назад

I wish Milo had been doing her 4 tumbling pass like she was in 94 and 96 this year. It would have made her gold medal feel better.

@tracylatak556 9 месяцев назад

Li li beam was stunning the artistry was unmatched

@thesovgc 9 месяцев назад

💯

@sallydaniel1023 6 месяцев назад

Her backspin is my favorite skill on beam. Such originality ❤❤❤❤

@BlankFormatted 5 месяцев назад

One rare occasion where I agree with the official ranking. Dawes was nowhere near robbed here imo.

@garyrizza1462 8 месяцев назад

I always thought Dawes should have won. I remember when this happened and was so heartbroken for her. She did an amazing job. Milosovici performed well, but I always looked at her routine as safe or boring. It didn’t have any “wow” factor to it. Dawes had her faults, but I felt that night, she performed the best out of all of them.

@rdg___ 9 месяцев назад

I think sometimes the actual issue with Dawes is that she is bow-legged and that affects her line. She certainly bends her knees in her back handsprings on beam, but she otherwise does a good job of keeping her legs straight. I think here in '93, they are probably the slightest bit bent on the layouts, in my opinion no worse than a lot of the ugly Romanian gymnastics we were made to suffer through in the 90's, but again, her bow-legs makes the line look "worse". From '94 on, her form was really improved and she keeps them quite straight, again with the exception of the back handsprings, though even the knee bend is not as bad in '94 and beyond. I often think about Dawes and Rebecca Bross together, as Bross was knock-kneed, which again affected her line and made her knees look knobby and she had to bow her feet together on bars in order to keep them together. Just an interesting thing to think about when judging form--gymnasts cannot control their anatomy! Great video, btw~

@dr.burkefrei5170 9 месяцев назад

Yeah, unfortunately her bent knees and unpointed toes really detracted from her very difficult 4-element flight series! :(

@ConnorWellington-wu8dx 9 месяцев назад

Get out of my head! I have been saying this about both of them for years lol

@danielacinderella9501 7 месяцев назад

You forgot something: those "ugly" Romanian gymnasts worked very hard to make perfect beam routines ! They could be beaten only by the judges at the Olympics '96 in Atlanta : no way Lilia should have been on the top of the AA with her mistakes ! And in the floor final the biggest difficulty and perfect execution was obviously on the side of Simona Amânar but she wasn't as pretty as Podkopaeva to "deserve" at least a joined gold medal on floor ! That's why you suffered so much in the '90s ?!? 😄

@rdg___ 7 месяцев назад

@@danielacinderella9501 I didn't say the gymnasts themselves were ugly. That's offensive and inappropriate. I said their gymnastics was. A lot of Romanian gymnasts in the 90's specifically had bent legs all over the place on beam and so many of them bent their legs on their double layouts on floor, that's what I was talking about.

@SHaqq-wv9hn 2 месяца назад

@@dr.burkefrei5170Her toes were ALWAYS pointed. Dawes wasn't White period. Bowed legs? Maybe a little but they were NOT THAT bad. Anything excuse to delete points. Her points were deleted before she even started---PLEASE.🙄😑😑😑

@sidoniesera 9 месяцев назад

Omg, your deep dive into the code (one of my favorite things about this channel, btw) TOTALLY answered my question about what happened to those insane 9.9++ scores that were at their absolute zenith during the 1992 Olympics. Scoring got so much less insane, numbers-wise, after that Olympics and I never knew why. Thank you for this!

@thesovgc 9 месяцев назад

Thank you so much! 💗

@TheTimo5494 9 месяцев назад

Dawes should've won gold idgad what anyone says I was there she did amazing on beam in finals and Kelly Hill said that race played a part in Dominiques treatment from judges in the some meets she was even told by a judge. But dom was so amazing and the back to back passes made her a household name. Doms year was 94 minus the world's she was almost every meet she entered that year. You also have to remember judging was very corrupt back then as well I've been to every only pics but Tokyo and countless worlds and the biggest issue back then was judging

@metsdudenj 6 месяцев назад

Nothing to do with race, she had weaker form and did not get credit for the straddle jump.

@longbranch11207 4 месяца назад

Get coach mentioned this before and said that race placed a big part in her low scores . This girl was doing way harder routines than Shannon yet Shannon would score higher

@metsdudenj 4 месяца назад

@@longbranch11207 Her coach mentioned race, but I can tell you, Dawes did not have the execution or form of Shannon, and as you know, as long as you meet the start value requirements, a harder routine back then did not mean you would score higher. I understand your frustration. You can imagine my anger during the 1988 fx final and the GDR overscoring at 87 worlds and 88 Olympics. Dawes was highly regarded by international judges, especially on floor and bars. Beam she was also quite good given her difficulty, but she was not in the same class as Miller, Podkopeaeva in terms of execution, form and grace.

@longbranch11207 4 месяца назад

Why is it’s so hard to believe that race had something to do with her low scoring at times ? One judge told her this behind the scenes, Kelli comment on this and Dawes herself commented on this . Not saying that was the case all the time but Dominique was robbed many times . It got so bad at one point even people of color started calling the sport out

@rolandgreen7484 3 месяца назад

@@metsdudenj Yes and despite that her routine seemed much more difficulty than Milosovici, Milosovici was much smarter at playing the rules, especialy the specific event final rules which were different than the general rules, and her routine started out of 10 while Dawes only out of 9.9.

@timothyhh 9 месяцев назад

Wolf-ish jump is right. That's what MY wolf jump looks like.

@thesovgc 9 месяцев назад

I would like to see that 😉

@autvincereautmori9677 8 месяцев назад

Li Li on beam..... 🤩😍🤩

@sallydaniel1023 6 месяцев назад

Love her ❤❤❤

@strongbad635 9 месяцев назад

My god, the 10.0 system was a fucking dumpster fire that punished so many talented athletes.

@georgiadonald1588 9 месяцев назад

I always look forward to your commmentary. I think you are right but I feel sorry for Dawes and Li Li 😢

@JLFAN2009 2 дня назад

I was reminded of Kathy Johnson's observation of Simona Amanar's bar routine at the 1997 Worlds -- the first year after the compulsories got abolished. "The Romanians know exactly how to get around the Code of Points in their minimalist approach. This routine obviously lacks the creativity, style, and originality of Svetlana Khorkina's: but at least on PAPER, it's worth every bit as much."

@kirstyevensen7557 5 месяцев назад

Love these videos. Thank-you so much. So insightful and wonderful to deep dive into these finals thats we love and remember so well. Very interesting too! ❤

@thesovgc 5 месяцев назад

Thank you so much! 💗

@jovanmcgee3757 4 месяца назад

Cinematic perfection!!!!

@stereotypea123 9 месяцев назад

Another great video :)

@thesovgc 9 месяцев назад

Awww tysm! 🫠

@darklight1030 9 месяцев назад

PLEASE MAKE ANNA PAVLOVA AND ZHANG NAN 2004 ALL AROUND!

@TheMajesticice01 9 месяцев назад

I would love to see this!!! I swore Anna should’ve gotten bronze! Her bars was too weak though!

@thesovgc 9 месяцев назад

You may just get your wish! 👏 👏 👏

@_padfoot 9 месяцев назад

Wild that Shannon was throwing a full twisting double pike in 93.

@thesovgc 9 месяцев назад

Galieva was doing it in 91! 🙏

@TheTimo5494 9 месяцев назад

She was the first American to do a full in off beam follow by Dawes Dawes was the only one to two flip flops to two feet to full in in America I think the world

@jmorg044 9 месяцев назад

Dominique should have been 93 world champion……

@pedrocampello2246 9 месяцев назад

Where do u find previous code of point ? I would love to have codes from 70s and 80s !! Looooove the videos !!!!

@thesovgc 9 месяцев назад

Google "[year] wag cop" and it should come up

@jimphan7777 9 месяцев назад

I think people were just looking at 3 layouts and a full in vs one layout and a double tuck. In the previous code high difficulty was seen as being superior. Similarly there was a lot of outrage at Strug not medaling on floor with amazing difficulty and Bobrova winning with front tumbling. This is the beginning of what is now called “code-whoring” and it really did change the sport.

@twc666 9 месяцев назад

Upgrading front tumbling was the worst mistake the FIG every made. EVERY front layout full is awkward and awful -- if you are at least doing a double front flip, I am NOT interested

@KaiOpaka 9 месяцев назад

"No pun intended." 😂

@Libaluff 9 месяцев назад

This was the first major comp under the new Code, the first not to have originated in the Russian language. There was a power shift in the sport as the USSR dismantled itself. I really enjoy your breakdowns, but I enjoyed Li Li’s routine most. Dawes had very poor leg form in all her tumbling skills and for me this marred her work significantly. I thought her score was very much too high here. Milosovici was a compromise winner to me. If only Li hadn’t had the time penalty.

@rolandgreen7484 3 месяца назад

I do wonder who wins if Li Li and Shannon Miller both hit perfect routines. It would definitely be between them two this year.

@thesovgc 3 месяца назад

It seemed like Li Li hadn't trained her 10.0 SV routine for Finals 😢. So likely Shannon.

@rolandgreen7484 3 месяца назад

@@thesovgc That is pretty bizarre if true. I am just thinking she got a 9.837 in the AA even with a very low landing and big step forward, so based on that she would give Shannon a real run despite Shannon's 9.887 in qualifying.

@thesovgc 3 месяца назад

@@rolandgreen7484 Li had to do more difficulty in Event Finals to start out of a 10. Shannon started out of a 10 either way. Sorry, not sure which phase of the competition you were hypothetically speaking about.

@rolandgreen7484 3 месяца назад

@@thesovgc I was referring to event finals. I do know the event finals rules were different than the All Around. I did not realize Li Li did not start out of a 10 under event final rules. If she didn't it is really remarkable she scored a 9.6 out of only a 9.9 start value plus 2 tenths for going overtime (plus a noteable wobble or two). Shows how strong she is.

@thesovgc 3 месяца назад

@@rolandgreen7484 no, she started out of a 10. But it was because she added an extra jump for Finals. But adding the jump made her go overtime. That's why I said she hadn't trained her 10.0 EF routine to not go overtime. (Sorry this is so confusing 😭.)

@honeybfly1980 26 дней назад

She was robbed a lot. She’s still the best gymnast to me

@SHaqq-wv9hn 2 месяца назад

WHATEVER---Dawes was "Robbed" her whole career. The "code of points" was bullcrap! IF a gymnast has a better overall routine with more difficulty then THEY should win. That routine by the winner was NOT difficult. Dawes' rouitne should have been worth a 10 start value. SO CRAZY WRONG.😑😑😑

@carwalk1280 4 месяца назад

DOMINIQUE DAWES IS THEE BEST AFRICAN AMERICAN GYMNAST OF ALL TIME!! THEE FUCKING GOAT 🐐

@thesovgc 4 месяца назад

And that's on period!

@Marketoromagnolo 9 месяцев назад

under that horrible code of points how was fliac layout flic bonus? 0,1 ? and flic to double or triple layout?

@gymdecoder 9 месяцев назад

back handspring stepout + layout stepout + back handspring stepout - 0.1 back handspring stepout + layout stepout + layout stepout - 0.1 back handspring stepout + layout stepout + layout stepout + layout stepout - 0.2

@Marketoromagnolo 9 месяцев назад

@@gymdecoder so what was the point to compete flic to double layout as it had same bonus as flic to layout to flic? And so also flic layout fluc layout waz a fluc to triple lsyout o.2?

@thesovgc 9 месяцев назад

@Marketoromagnolo yes that series was also 0.2. There wasn't really a point except that it was clearly more difficult 😂

@Marketoromagnolo 9 месяцев назад

@@thesovgc so moveanu dawes phelps had same bonus as amanar milosovici

@thesovgc 9 месяцев назад

@@Marketoromagnolo for the flight series, yes. Marinescu originally did bh + bh + loso + loso which was also worth 0.2.

@matthewhines9787 7 месяцев назад

Ya know, if Dawes had gotten credit for the straddle 1/2. it would've been named for her and not Amanda Borden.

@matthewhines9787 7 месяцев назад

16:08 The reason Wally laughs is b/c that is not an Omelianchik. Does that look like a 3/4 turn? No. I hate that anything is called an Omelianchik because the code version says "to handstand" and Oksana never held in handstand.

@randomedits7325 9 месяцев назад

the romanians were just smart🤷

@thesovgc 9 месяцев назад

As I say in the video. Bellu 😍

@LaurenThompsonIsMyRealName 9 месяцев назад

Even though Komova was given a gold, it was shared between four. I think she was COMPLETELY robbed on bars at the 2015 worlds. Her routine was amazing, her form is impeccable. I think she was robbed of her individual gold there. No way was Kocians performance better!

@matthewhines9787 7 месяцев назад

Gogean had no business being that close to Miller. I don't even like Miller much, but Gina's program was not the vibe.

@rolandgreen7484 3 месяца назад

Huh, Miller fell 3 times in this final, LOL!

@thesovgc 3 месяца назад

I think he means the AA 😅

@rolandgreen7484 3 месяца назад

@@thesovgc oh ok. Well Miller had huge errors on beam in the All Around, so it makes sense Gogean was close to her. The fact Miller won even with that, shows how superior the judges considered her to Gogean that particular year. Miller even outscored her on vault which aided her win, which wouldn't have happened any other year in their careers.

@matthewhines9787 3 месяца назад

@@rolandgreen7484 My bad. I'm used to talking to people who, because it's a set of initiatives and exercises that are performed together in order to reach a greater long-term goal, see a gymnast's "program" to mean their efforts in all their competitive events. Where as "event" or "apparatus" refers to the routine on an individual piece of equipment...as in event finals. So by referring to Gina's program, I meant her 4 routines as a whole...as well as the general philosophy and areas of her her all around campaign at those wrlds. She had relatively simple routines with less than stellar execution, but relied on the "big 4 bump" and going clean with confidence to get big scores and the judges fell for it.

@rolandgreen7484 3 месяца назад

@@matthewhines9787 I agree but Miller had a big mistake on beam. That is the only reason they were close. So it made sense.

@synergyplayer9602 9 месяцев назад

Dominique never received the high scores she deserved. I definitely think race played a major part of it. Dominique always threw the difficult skills and she did them effortlessly.I’ve seen several performances where she should have scored higher than miller.

@suede1980 7 месяцев назад

The Romanians are dead boring, competent but not exciting until ana porgras came along

@makaylalovesgymnastics 9 месяцев назад

Hey love hey thanks for making this video

@makaylalovesgymnastics 9 месяцев назад

I would love to collaborate with you on a video one day

@isabelaandzico 9 месяцев назад

I’m sorry but as a professional ballerina we’re expected to perform over splits in all directions (meaning legs split more than 180 degrees). I started in gymnastics but was quickly sent to ballet school in Moscow because of my potential height. If I’d stayed in gymnastics I’d have the option to choose my preferred side for splits, turns etc. In ballet, only male dancers can pick sides for variations (solos) only. Most of the choreography is to the right side and I’m a natural lefty, but it doesn’t matter. Since starting ballet school to now being a professional, I’ve had to be better on my right side and enjoy the rare moments when the choreography calls for left turns and jumps. I’m grateful for that now because I’m the rare ballerina whose body is completely even and injury free. Спасибо большое, Елена Рябинкина🙏🏻🩰 19:25

@jmorg044 9 месяцев назад

As a professional ballet dancer, there is not an expectation to do grand. Jetes or sau de chats, sissones or anything pass 180 so I don’t agree with that……. Every Gymnast flexibility is different. There are some who have beautiful lines, but like power, and those who have power, but lack the flexibility or the lines, and then there are some who have both.

@DianaDeLuna 6 месяцев назад

Love these videos. Didn't IG Magazine catch a little flack for describing Milo's "Omelianchik" as "Tiiiiimberrrr!" 🫢 I'll find it soon. Cleaned out the last of my stuff at my parents' house, which includes nearly every IG Mag from 1987 - 2010ish, currently spread all over my living room.