Surprising Results - 14900K Delidding 

The fact that der8auer records in German and English for every video is some crazy dedication. Huge respect.

A leap in performance that can't be measured

Ah good to see DerCat is also present again. ps: DerCat is not sleeping - DerCat is in energy safe mode ;)

That height profiling equipment is pretty cool

I did this in the past with my KS and used Liquid Metal on both sides of the ihs with an aio and contact frame. Great results, with about 18-21C better on hottest cores and I didn't need to grind anything down.

What a week indeed. The gains from 13th-14th really had me going up a wall my dude.

I was just asking you about the delidding for the 14900K and found this ONLY video! Thank you for doing this and look forward to doing this with my new Hackintosh setup! I'm really glad you did this video, because I had ALREADY ordered the EK-Quantum Velocity² Direct Die D-RGB and Thermal Grizzly Intel 13th Gen Delid-Die-Mate, before watching this new video. Glad that I ordered those and look forward to seeing even better results with NO lid on that CPU.

Thank for the video, der8auer! Just what I needed as I have a EKWB direct die block & just bought a 14900k & I was hesitant to delid it without an expert doing it first.

Wonder how far you can push it with direct die cooling.

I love your Sunday vids. Sunday is the only day off I have from work and I love waking up and seeing a new vid from you every Sunday, really makes my morning! Awesome content as usual and please keep em coming!!!

You could disable all the unused HWiNFO sensors to drop its CPU usage, as well as greatly improve readability.

good video. thank you for the info and the work you do.

that is a fantastic result, i’m impressed!😊

Roman, always give your videos a watch/support just because of this sort of thing. You're not someone who will stick to a "point" stubbornly and not admit maybe a new view. It would be interesting to see if this sort of result can also be achieved with the lower end CPUs, if so, it would seem that maybe "14th Gen" is not as bad as first thought and a good value proposition, especially for those who live in hotter climates.

I'm not sure how seriously I can take der8auer now that I've seen he doesn't use the Dark Mode theme in Windows.

Love the content man! If i don't watch for knowledge or guidance, ill throw you on in the background for the ambiance. Also wanted to say i REALLY love the Kryonaut! I picked some up for my upgrades and noticed a good 6-7c decrease in thermals under full load compared to Noctua paste. Some would say that's mostly marginal, i say its more than enough for me to be completely satisfied. Thank you for all you bring to the space/community.

eagerly waiting for your coverage of 7000WX and pro series chips!

00:04 Testing the compatibility and performance of the 14900K delidding 01:38 Delidding results in higher overclocking potential for improved CPU performance. 02:56 Peak power draw was 293 Watt. 04:45 The video discusses the process of delidding a CPU and modifying the IHS. 06:18 The height profile of the area shows it is at a perfect 0.3mm, indicating no need for adjustment on the heat sink. 07:54 Maximum core temperature after second cinebench run: 93.1°C 09:37 Delidding with IHS and contact frame resulted in significant temperature improvements. 11:03 Delidding and modifying a CPU with liquid metal can provide a temperature improvement of 2 to 6 degrees Celsius.

I've just recovered from the mind blowing experience of 14th gen myself, what a wildly innovative and completely revolutionary series of products.

Nice video, well done, thanks for sharing it :)

As someone who has purchased the Delid Die Mate and the Thermal Grizzly Mycro Direct-Die CPU Water Block RGB I can recommend the block and the delid tool. It has made a huge difference to load and idle temps. Outstanding craftsmanship.

12C drop is good result from any perspective. I was sold on Liquid metal back when I did my i9-7900X and saw a 18C drop in terms on the X299 board. Even the 12700K saw a 10C drop and I done run it as hard as i did the 7900X. I am keen to see this as a last upgrade for the LGA1700 to last me another 3 years. Thanks again Roman good work.

The fact that you dont do Direct die means to me that the EKWB direct die product is still faulty :S Is there any possibility you revisit the matter and check the new Revised Direct die Cold plate ? Thanks Roman , Happy healthy new year !

Just realized that Roman's a Stargate fan. I knew this guy was awesome, but good to have confirmation!

Very nice to see your content, thank you Roman. Would your contact frame allow direct die option ? I convinced a friend to go direct die and we bought the whole set of yours but for a 13900KF and now i am stuck with my question ... Thanks again for what you provide us 🙂

Great use of the Derlidder on this -Core i9 13980K- oops, I mean 14900K

I noticed you used a cpu with rog bios rating of SP 82 which I guess makes it more commonplace as opposed to golden. Interesting experiment, thanks!

How do you clean off the Indium solder? The last time I de-lided was back when intel CPU's used paste (3rd gen i7's for example) and didn't have capacitors on the PCB that could be sheered off.

Thank you!! Doing mine today with your delidder :))

the difference between 13th gen and 14th gen is , 14th gen is a higher IPC and better Quality silica due too improvements in production and experience gained from Intel's new Architecture . better more refined quality Silica with lower temps , higher boost clock out of box and better overclocking potential . most reviewers didn't understand or know really what was going on .

we can soon start measuring the power draw in horsepower of these things..

im wondering if kryosheet is safe to put on laptops due to vibrations while moving the machine

TY, About what I thought it would be.

13th gen didn't sell, so they put a 14 on the box.

13900kf, direct die block, CB23 around 44000

It worked out well!

Delidding raptor lake works well for me Btw what AIO did you use in this video ? 100°C at less than 300w is pretty bad tbh

Wonderful video.

Thanks, i wasn't sure about what i should do vs my 13900KS. I have it OC to 5.8P core and 4.4E core, no issues scores around 419k on r23.

Honestly if I were Intel, I'd have put a proper lid and thermal paste for the 14900k, so that it can at least have a better cooling than a 13900K.

ferric chloride on a Q-tip will dissolve the solder and leave a factory smooth finish on the die.

My CPU would immediately Thermal when doing any benchmark - just straight to 100C on my Aorus AIO 360mm as soon as you pressed "Start" (eg: Intel Extreme Tuning, OCCT, etc.). I've just de-lidded my i9-14900KF, 7200MT/s DDR5. I went the full "Thermal Grizzly + der8auer route" (de-lid CPU, lap IHS top flat AND shave the skirt, liquid metal CPU->IHS, contact frame IHS, etc.). I had to shave the skirt of my IHS (my OCD really) because when I put the IHS back I didn't feel like the IHS was touching the CPU die, even minimally, and had no way to verify the gap. I wanted to be sure so I kept sanding until I heard a "different tick" sound when I placed the IHS onto the CPU Die board and there was a slight gap (say

On a different subject, I purchased your new ryzen delidding tool and after removing the IHS and cleaning the silicon realized that the chiplets are not parallel. It took a significant amount of lapping to create a single plane surface for my waterblock. After some thought I decided to remachine the waterblock to alter the water flow by 90 deg trying to improve the temps across the cores. Have you tried this ? It seems like all waterblocks are primarily designed around intel chip layout. EK has offset their inlet but are still cooling the cores along the long axis.

Could you do a couple more, just to see if this is a mildly consistent with other CPUs? I’m planning a new system and would be down for giving some feedback.

Great video

For this or even for 10c on average - this is a great result. I would delidde my CPu for 10c. I got your delidder for i9 9900K but did not do it due that I hear 10c was hard to achieve. 10c temp that will be lowered from stock is a great result and I would do it. Sell your special delidder for that fancy shnancy for a good price limited edition from Germany.

Question: Can i use my 12gen delid tool and my EKWB direct die water block on the 14th gen? Or do I have to buy all new blocks/ socket retention and delid tools? The direct die surface looks like it will cover the 14th gen and the socket is the same. I have a delidded 12900k with a direct die water block with liquid metal.

Next time, can you please review performance with an aftermarket IHS (e.g. Rockit)?

What about lapping ? I have the lapping tool and it did well on my 13600k but with my 14900k I’m hesitant to do it and void the warranty as I’m having some stability and seemingly a worse imc than my 13600k. Also I lapped my cold plate prior and I’m thinking I’m not getting even contact I think so could using a lapped cold plate be causing me stability issues on a non lapped cpu? 😮

Roman isn't conformal coating required with bare die and IHS? One thing in confused with latest Intel CPU is high temperature, i still don't understand if the chip is hot or is it trying to boost to maximum TJmax value until throttling temp limit takes over. It can be especially confusing on Intel laptops wherein I'm unsure if it has worse cooling or worse tdp setting from factory allowed to hit throttling temps ASAP

could extra extra precious bin cpus use edm machined heat spreader be any usefull

Definitely in my top five list of best Germans. Keep up the great work

Hi, I love your videos. Can the EK-Quantum Velocity² Direct Die D-RGB - 1700 Nickel + Plexi be used with 14900K ?? It is the same right ??

Just did this to make Jay's build take an extra day.

It is like this on 10 or 5 other similar chips? Mabye the improvements are bigger than intel can "realize" or make effective.

Always der-bleeding edge from der8auer! Who you gonna call? (we know!) All give a big thx to Roman ...

Can you make a video with max oc vs stock ?

With these 2 steps, delid, liquid metal, and contact frame, you can get it from 93'c to 81'c, that's fucking insane

Do follow-up video how much better it overclocks now...

I got 13C drop by deliding and using direct die from EK on 13900ks. Glad it matches the pros results.

Did you put back the ihs after putting the conductonaut , after which the ihs again froze on and then to remove it will we again need delidding tool ?

Will you be playing with the new Threadrippers at all Roman ?? Apparently WR set by AMD for R23, previously held by a dual EPYC.

finally, an actually measurable improvment in production! kudos Intel! 🎉

Born too late to meet Nikola Tesla, Too early to see Flying cars but the right time to be born in Germany and be able to watch both of his videos

So the pcb to to chip is the same between 13th and 14th gen . Only difference is a fraction of mm on the IHS heigth?

Getting ready for a new build. I think I'll try the new CPU with my 4 pipe air cooler initially, just to make sure it, and the motherboard are working before I rip the IHS off.

For many months I was looking for the DIE height of the processor, I always looked for that name on the internet: on Google and RU-vid but I never found even a video or article about it. And then, casually watching your video without the intention of finding this information: boom. I came across the information I was looking for so long. Just for this information you already deserve my like + subscription.

does that extra thermal headroom allow for a better overclock since you arent thermal throttling?

just like the old days of delidding the 8700k

Now this is content

That intro sarcasm is 10/10

@5:50 What is this underfill material on the sides of the die? Is it the same silicon, or something else?

Regardless of Intel's choices thank you Roman for the interesting amazing vids!

What a nice tool to measure the height and also get the 3D representation. I wonder hown t does that, it uses some lasers to focus and then measure the distance?

Is it possible after delidding the cpu and replacing it with liquid metal it will degrade faster right ?

the video i was waiting for. now i can replace my direct die cooled 12700kf, with a 14900k.

last thing to do put the his to copper watersand it to 4000 grip mirror finish for better disipation water sand also yr cooling unit to mirror same process for powerfull contact

my take on Delide vs STOCK / minor throttle vs all cores throttling, smoothness with responsiveness / i said take silicon gel make a thin coat on the chip put the heat spreader on as if you are using the silicon gen as thermal compound ... then remove the heat spreader and observe how the silicon makes little stripes and lines and bubbles to show where the high sides as well as edge of chip overall flatness i use paper nail files to level it flat until it's a suction cup to the heat spreader / around the edge and some times in the middle longest sides in the middle

Impressive

Very interesting.

It would be interesting to see the numbers with KryoSheet under the IHS.

DerKat ❤

I`d really love to see the EK direct die waterblock on that delidded 14900k, and with a chiller hooked up to it (-20c water).

Instead of using liquid metal, what would the results be if you covered the inside of the IHS lid with a KryoSheet?

I am currently working on a similar project, but with the Z690 Extreme Glacial Motherboard and a delidded i9-14900K. When comparing our systems in BIOS (7:51), I notice that we have the same frequency of 5700 MHz. While that appears fine, your Core Voltage is sitting much lower at [1.376 V], and mine is sitting at [1.447 V (Stock)]. Additionally, I am using a slim 240mm custom EKWB Loop for testing, which I realize might not be sufficient for this system. Please let me know if you have any suggestions as to how I could improve or "fix" this setup (Anyone's help would be greatly appreciated), Thank you!

The fact that this cpu uses the same amount of energy and one of of the space heaters in my bedroom is nuts.

So no Intel Direct Die water block? We’re your plans just scrapped? If so that really sucks I really wanted one.

no direct die testing??? :/ Btw, I am looking forward to that ram cooling that we spoke on instagram!!

What about direct die? Is that something you could test?

That looks like our confocal 😂

CPU crystal height 400 um, CPU cover height 300 um, so there is no space between CPU and cover in total ? and CPU cover hanging on the chip ?

I used 14900kf with supercool direct die for a couple of days while testing and comparing it with 13900ks, these are two absolutely identical processors, there are no differences in appearance. But the IMC of the 14900kf turned out to be so garbage that even 8000 on the 790 apex were unstable, so I sold it immediately after the tests. This "new generation" reminds me of the 11th gen))) no improvements, just replaced one digit on the lid and pulled up the turbo boost.

By the way, can I use the EK-Quantum Velocity² Direct Die D-RGB unit for a fully delidded 14900K CPU? Let me know please. Thank you.

It’s crazy that you can optimize this better than the engineers at intel. Makes you wonder what else they’re missing over there.

I’ve had two CPUs on a Liquid Freezer II and can’t get remotely anything like these temps. Always have the P5 core at 100+ under load if I’m not limiting something.

is there no way to test direct die mounting? i miss the days of direct die mounting on my old athlon xp's.

A further comment: As I said, with the '14th gen' launch I'm waiting for the 14900KS after Intel kept back all the 'good' 13900K chips for the KS release. Hopefully January 2024. Your de-lid tool is obviously still compatible as the die hasn't changed dimensions! Would it be possible for you to do a direct die test of your new 14900K using LM, Kryonaut and graphene sheet? I'm sure a lot of people would be interested in the results and it would potentially remove the need to re-apply liquid metal every year or two. Also, any chance of you offering binned delidded 14900K chips with likely KS level of SP and IMC?

What lapping tool do uou use?

First thing I did with my 14900k was under volt it. Lost a lot of heat and saved about 80 watts in Cinebench R23 without losing any points on the final score.

I really would like to see a 14900k or 13900k with direct die and OC for daily use. What would be the clock and performance increase? There is no point in just showing the temperature. Same thing goes for Ryzen, they scale worst with more voltage.