Suspicious Scientist: Do the UFO Sightings Seem Off? Brian Keating on Joe Rogan 

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It doesn't matter if you think they're saying something that's correct or not. They're saying they have the evidence and it's classified. These people seem really eager to try to get the evidence to us. We should support them in that effort then. Our beliefs don't matter. Let's see the evidence. If we as the public don't demand it then we won't get it.

The problem here is that it wasn't just visual - there are multiple points of data collection...

Instead of whining about grainy photos and, hearsay testimony, help the whistle-blower to come foward!! Use your show Joe to put pressure on the senators and congressmen. Demand they provide a secure scif and the proper security clearances. These people have the information, they just need the right environment.

Your claim that, quote, 'Ryan Graves did not see anything with his eyes, he saw things on the radar' is in contradiction with Ryan Graves's testimony during the congressional hearing, where he claimed to have witnessed a black or silver cube surrounded with a lucid sphere, from a distance of about 15 feet (or maybe it was 50, but both cases are within visible range for a human being). Please correct me if I'm wrong or inaccurate.

The one thing Joe Rogan has and you lack, is the courage to challenge his guests when they are right in front of him. You going on his show and saying you don’t believe pilots after the fact is weak. You should have addressed that in your OWN podcast while they were there and made your point then.

I find it annoying when you are talking to someone, and they talk like they are talking to themselves. This guy is speaking into a microphone, yet you can barely hear him.

Sooo..... We're going to let peer pressure cause us to leave Fravor and Graves hung out to dry on Joe Rogan.... In eternity, telling the truth despite the taboos against doing so will resonate.

You asked Ryan a question that I had suggested on Twitter. So I can put that and that Joe watched on my resume 😁 I like the way you asked Joe for advice on how to handle a particular situation when you think your guest is wrong. In the case of Ryan, I think you could have confronted him with the argument that nobody's a trained observer and people make mistakes. He should accept that, and probably would. But really, and I admire your open-mindedness deeply, brother Bryan. 🙏 But Fravor and Dietrich (and two others) see an object the size of a small school bus moving above the water, erratically like a ping-pong ball. There just might have truly been something physics-defying flying there, if not physics-denying. It's quite a convincing story, especially once you know more of likewise convincing stories from credible people (being very critical before calling someone credible). If you're not convinced, OK and understandable, but that's also telling about you. And you should accept that, and you probably will. But you're an American, you should know at least a bit about the main characters of the Roswell story, from a historical perspective. There's All aircraft specialist and intelligence officer Major Jesse Marcel (pilot), his base commander (and pilot) Col. William H. Blanchard, and Walter Haut, Blanchard's public information officer. Just read their Wiki pages to find out how credible they are. Blanchard was the commanding officer of the only AF base in the world with heavy nuclear striking capabilities. I'd say very credible. And it was he who issued the press release that the RAAF had captured a flying disk. Major Jesse Marcel is the one who spent a day picking up all the debris from the crash. And Major Marcel was in charge of all security and intelligence on atomic tests in the US and the Pacific. I'd say very credible. And he's always been convinced that the material that he found was not of this Earth. He had to keep his mouth shut for more than 30 years, but he was very clear and credible about it when he retired. And Walter Haut, the information officer who assisted the base commander with the press release about the disks, is very clearly backing Major Jesse Marcel's story. Just read their Wiki pages and watch what retired all-aircraft specialist Jesse Marcel says. Historically so important, it's a moral duty for every American ;-) ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-Tu_mjUULGH0.htmlsi=58buQBkJJSzp0IQo

What convinced me this phenomenon is really advanced NHI is not just 2 or 3 cases. It's a lot over a long period of time and different countries. Forget Nimitz and Ryan and you still have very credible cases that are hard to ignore or explain. As a scientist you need the hard evidence, but I bet you dont need hard evidence when someone you trust tells you something. Detective work involves spending many hours getting to know the witnesses, even just through videos. Then you start seeing patterns with different people across time and countries. Gets very spooky.

Top gun pilots are smart. If you don’t have a PHD or win a a Nobel prize ,I Don’t believe you . Dam , Best aviation experts..

The 'Catch 22' UFO argument from the typical scientist goes like this: "There isn't any scientific evidence for UFOs." Right, because there's no serious scientific research on UFOs. "Why should scientists waste time researching something which has no evidence?" and so forth.

If David Fravor could be that wrong about something, I would be very frightened and concerned about who is flying US Military Fighter Jets, and if the pilots are that incompetant I'm surpised that dozens of civillian planes have not been shot down accidently.

It is kind of weird that Joe’s going down the ‘nothing to see here’ road regarding UAP’s. Keating obviously has a premeditated De Grasse -like bias on this issue. I think both gentlemen need to step back and open their eyes to what is real.

The problem is the sensor data from multiple platforms that people aren't able to view. I don't think Ryan Graves expects anyone to take his word for it, but with the government holding on to all the scientific data, the public isn't left with much else

News flash...navy pilots are not the only experiencers of the uap phenomenon. Get a clue doc.

People from government have been coming forward about this for years. How can they provide the evidence if it’s classified and guarded. They can’t just show up with piece of metal or even a picture, they will be mocked, ridiculed, and loose their careers.

I watched the episode so IDK if the relevant part is in this clip but I think you'll find spoofing a phased array radar like the Princeton's is a little trickier than in your WW2 example. This is further magnified by the fact that they were also simultaneously observed by the radar on the Nimitz and the E-2 Hawkeye aircraft. Also think it's kind of hilarious how you're keen to point out that the warning areas aren't like Area51 and can be flown through by any random in a Cessna, but then go on to suggest that they'd be testing super-secret US tech out there. The reason they're often seen in military areas is more likely because that's where the assets with sensors capable of detecting them often are. You should talk to Kevin Knuth on your show to have the case made by another scientist (hilarious that you reference Mick West btw, you should ask your friend Eric what he thinks of his approach to this) because you don't value pilots' expertise in using aviation sensors to differentiate airborne targets enough to believe that they can tell a balloon or a distant jet from an anomalous target using them.

I'm pretty sure Graves and Fravor said they saw the cube and the tic tac outside their cockpit windows with their own eyes in addition to their instruments

A pilot will see the birds while the scientist will see nothing since he is searching for birds nest.

They are still seeing them regularly and have been been witnessing UAP's for almost a century in the modern era...

Disappointing to see the scientists of our time drop the ball just like past generations.

I didn't know u went on JRE! I gotta check that out! I've actually been looking forward to it

All good points Dr Keating but don't forget that radar operators on ships have reported and corroborated many of these sightings. If it's all down to glitchy radar then the USA military sounds amateurish and is in a parlous state of ill preparedness... I'm not sure which is more troublesome...?

The problem is, we are like Bernard. Even if the evidence was in front of our eyes, it wouldn't have looked like anything to us.

Joe needs a reality check on the UFO stuff. Thanks.

"It's not new physics. It's a new perspective on old physic."-Pais Please do more homework on Salvatore Pais's work on "The Super-Force." We need scientists to stop postering their public image and start being real scientists seeking the truth(not conformation of dogmatic hypothesis). You are a brilliant experimental physicist. So, please run an experiment on Salvatore Pais work. Test "The Pais effect" and then go down in history for doing so. This has already been discovered and is being utilized, but because of the secret nature of it all, who gets the credit is up for grabs. I am just one of 8 billion, a random guy in the comments. My comments are just another person rambling, but what I'm saying is what will be known to all soon. The "Pais effect" is a very real physical phenomenon, and it can't be hidden forever.

There’s nothing wrong with questioning the pilots. The problem is you’re not questioning the ones above them which is the problem; the gate keepers of this info. That’s why people like me are irritated. You guys need to do a deep dive like any other topic but you don’t

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You're completely ignoring just how much training pilots go through to learn observation. Their very lives depend on it. Being able to judge the altitude, size and heading of other aircraft is arbitrary for them. They dont get to fly the hot rods without being proven observers first and foremost.

Regrading all this ufo/UAP/alien stuff. The thing that I always come back to and sadly will always wonder… if you can begin to grasp the size of the universe (which for a human is barely possible to put into perspective) but if you just enter the taste of an idea of how big it is and how many stars, planets, moons and debris are scattered throughout the space… 💭 I keep coming back to WHY? Forget about if there is other life or if there’s not. Regardless if we are alone or not… what the hell is the purpose of a planet having living organisms on it, and some (us) that have a degree of understanding and innovating… and to this day not a single person can come up with any reasonable explanation beyond a simple guess of: -maybe we were created by a god (religious) figure of ultimate control -maybe we were created by another species -maybe there is no purpose as is there is truly nothing to understand and no explanation to find it exists simply for existing But all those answers are really disappointing.

Dr Keating has done the right thing as a scientist in expressing his suspicions. Let's take these testimonies as an invitation to scientists to go and collect more substantial scientific evidence, so that we all may reach definitive conclusions on the enigma posed by UAPs.

I don’t agree with Brian Keating on Pilot’s observations of UAps as it relates to observations; if you do something often enough, you will have a better sense of what you observe in that environment than the layman, even a scientist … I think his scientistic tendencies to judge everything based on that process may be exposing a form of bias that even he cannot gauge.

This guy has Neil deGrasse Tyson syndrome.

The SR71 was built with 50s/60s tech. Fast forward 60 years

Qualifying their observations. Shows that you are unbiased. Good job

Even observation can be used as fact in science if it is observed enough and the majority of people in the ideal enviroment for this would be these pilots that seem to see these UAP's a fair bit. I wouldn't say it's concrete evidence but it is evidence.

Yea I’m not buying that. A nerd that reads books and uses his eyes in a lab is not going to have better recognition skills that an athlete who plays the most dangerous game and has been highly trained in visual recognition and cues.

very packed episode; deep

Carl Sagan nailed it years ago "Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence" (eyewitness testimony isn't extraordinary)

we will never get real hard evidence about ET but the talk generate money and why the show will go on.

Whatever u do Brian don't explain a black cube in a spere FLYING.

what this great scientist fails to remember is ryan greeves was the one to speak out, out of a big group of pilots, he took verbal and visual reports from his military group, and they didnt report on these for years believing this may be a glitch. he even suggested it might be other goverment secret ops, so it took longer for himself and others to convince themself that this is not a AMERICAN device and that it needs to be investigated. he was extra clear in the hearing closing arguments. by saying "if UAP are foreing drones, is a national security problem, if it is something els, is a issue for science"

One of the most chilling facts Fravor revealed was that the craft he encountered actively jammed his on-board radar - an act of war. Factor that into any conclusion you come to with regard to whether it was alien, foreign military or our own government. It's a hostile act no matter how you slice it.

It’s the overwhelming number of credible people that have made similar claims that warrant investigation, either everyone is lying or they’re telling the truth, either way we should demand answers.

Her name is Alex.

How do you simultaneously say that sensor data is more important than visual data and that because they didn't see the craft it may not be what they think it is?

Theyve been reporting these sightings. These same exact sightings since the 1940s. Head. Sand.

Yeah, but what about the Goddamn 'Biologics'?

What more evidence is required than Bob Lazar...

I see many time people who build thei opinion based on somethin that some else told them. You are discrediting a fighter pilot because of something your flight instructor told you. I also saw on another broadcast how someone did not believe Grush because someone he knew told him that his security clearance was nothing special.

Extraordinary claims require Extraordinary evidence

These craft have high speed around 5 mach to 10 mach . Much High speed much means much guration force means force will be applied. So does it means these craft know how to Espace from guration force. But its not necessary if any pilot is seating inside and flying craft . AI technology must be there in respect to fly the craft

There is a 150 page report on the tictac that was done by the government that shows these things were dropping down to sea level almost, loitering and then returning to space.

Come on man...yeah they may not have seen something with there own eyes or whatnot, but this evidence is on multiple outlets.

A biased perspective on such a wild subject does not lead to a clean and balanced conclusion. Every "skeptic" that I have ever listened to was so adamant in debunking or proving the argument that it became an unbalanced analysis on already spotty data and information. When an elite fighter pilot claims that he actually chased down a piece of unknown technology in high to low altitudes that was preforming impossible maneuvers, I'm inclined to listen. I don't understand why people are so ready to shut down the professional men and women who patrol our skies. Everyone seems to forget that not just anybody gets to become a fighter pilot. These people are literally the best of the best. Even the "mediocre" pilots are incredibly impressive with their knowledge and skills.

I am a physicist = I attempt to debunk anything that would affect my federal grant payoffs. Uap believers need to be silenced and ridiculed in order for my team to be front and center.

At this point if you don't believe NHI are real... You are on denial.... Period.

These guys are scared of being ostracized by the academics and scientific community so they babble around the topic. It's a legit thing to look into with major implications.

@2:50 No actually, it does mean that he could very well be better. he may well have a much better sense of something in terms of its speed, distance, size, etc.

It. Is. A. Distraction.

Unpersuasive it is.

Brian's thought process and method of expression I find hard to follow. Something seems to pull him in different directions. At first it feels like motive or disbelief but then I wonder if it's ego. He's too concerned with how he's perceived I think, is he getting the respect he deserves. I could be wrong but that's what it feels like, and it probably blinds him. He would see more, distill more get to the point more if this weren't the case, I think.

Did he say, that Fravor did not see it with his eyers????? 3:29 ? In the congressional hearing, he said he saw this with his open naked eye.

What about the Mosul orb? The pentagon don't know what it is. It's a metallic sphere the size of a basketball that flies at great speed.

If you can fly solo legally, you’re a pilot. No point of flight training is easy. Every credential you have on your pilot license was gained through an extreme amount of some type of emotion. Rather that be anxiety stress excitement or whatever. That being said, a private pilot has no idea what commercial pilots see likewise a commercial pilot doesn’t see or knows what a scientist does. So that reference was a bit off in my opinion.

What about the a new Annunaki ? Or the ant people?

The egocentrism of scientists makes them believe that we are alone in the univers

But hold on a second, are you saying the infrared red light shot video was not real? Or are you saying it was a man made object?

If you want to fight in mixed martial arts, all you need is tai chi………oh, and a baseball bat……..

There is no autopilot for landing on a carrier, well maybe they might have better tech assistance today but back during Captain Dale 'Snort' snodgrass's day that was with the help of the LSOs to a degree via radio and it was 95% pilot coordination landing on the boat during rough seas 🌊day or night how dare you question Navy Aviators brian ... how dare you that's disrespectful...

4 pilots saw it and captured on Radar. Case closed. OPEN YOUR MIND

I seriously think that Brian Keating is a sly clandestine Government debunker. For me, he has that coy vibe.

A lot of 'scientists' are going to be looking real silly real soon

So what are you saying your eyes are better than instruments lol wake up dude

I want to believe the news… but why does it always have to smell a bit iffy? 🛸💚♾️

The only the thing that’s fake is them acting like they don’t believe in them , of course they believe in them they just can’t say certain stuff or they will get canceled, just look at Huberman

All I hear this guy saying is “blah blah blah aliens, are not real“

Brian’s question for him as a podcaster brought me to joes episode with Candace Owens. I don’t think she knew exactly what she was getting into and she made it seem like she was heavily into grifting.

I would believe a trained Navy pilot with 1000s of hours of flight and observation over an armchair pseudo scientist. lol

Very well put Brian Numerous aircraft crashes have occurred because pilots became disoriented and didn't trust their instruments The human senses and memory are probably the least reliable methods of measurement The radar and instruments on a fighter plane have probably not been developed to measure UAP aspects. They probably have been developed to detect a target so that it can be shot at or bombed As someone who used to deal with manufacturing quality then the proven accuracy and precision of your measurement instruments is critical. That's why I think that Avi Loeb's suggestion that astronomers should develop and install standard UAP measurement and data collection systems

Bluebeam....

ohhhh brian cut brian off!!

Youre the man Brian!

You lose me whenever you whisper, but it's not only you...

Are UFO's real?

being a US phenomenon! that is fishy

Brian you to intelligent to be skeptical about this look I believe they are here embedded and have been for a long time probably 1 %are interstellar there is another species here believe it brother I know it’s mind opening but it’s true

The reason why the pilots testimony and observations are better than yours Mr. Keating is that they have thousands of hours of experience in that environment more than you.

not understanding how something works isnt new physics, its just not understanding how something works. im wondering if this propulsion is attenuating interaction with the higgs field... particles with mass, can then go fast like a photon/gluon. Only ideas...

You would be helping the Catholic Church imprison Galileo if you were around back then. New ideas challenge the gatekeepers, gatekeepers try to kill, discredit, imprison, instead of thorough investigation and also trying to help get the information that we have classified that at one point might have been necessary but has been kept locked for 80 years.

Brian, you should wear more often a T-Shirt. Looks great!

a wingwoman ahh bruh i almost threw up

When you ask a scientist to believe what all these witnesses are describing and saying, you are asking him to discount everything he has been taught up to that point. That's a lot to take in. It would be like going to a person in their forties, and telling them their parents weren't their parents, and that they had been kidnapped as a baby. That person is probably going to want to see more evidence of that being true than an uninvolved bystander would want to see.

yes you know a lot.and I don't fly a plane.but all what's gone in in larst five years changes nothing.even if they wernt credible And they are.

This guy is only thinking in human science. We have no idea what’s out there .

David Fravor, Luis Elizondo, David Grusch, all out here doin the podcast tour like they promoting a movie. And every single one of them peg my bullshit meter to the max! Disinformation!!

Ego boys club

I thought Graves said he has seen them? Just not the particular one from the released video… idk maybe I’m misremembering

I want Brian to explain how the UAP knew where the CAP point was. I'll wait.