Swiss Alpenflage, Is it Effective? A Quick Overview and Test 

Not really SS camo, it was designed to replace both splittermuster and all it's offspring, which were distinctly heer patterns. SS always got hold of army uniforms, equipment and camo even to the point they had breast Eagles on their arms and army belt buckles here and there (war is chaotic) but leibermuster was an army development.

@@cellanimation interesting, check out a book called waffen SS camouflage, you will see leibermuster in there, heer camo was splinter and sumpftarn throughout the entire war, SS had their own version of uniforms with different button spacing on their field grey tunics, 5 for SS and 6 for the army

exactly. but the point is that those two camo were intended to work against night visions. what by the way the swiss does really well. so stop thoses tupid tests without mentioning that this czmo was meant to operate quite exclusively in the night. all the swiss army doctrine at that time was to operate in the night to compensate for small size of their army

@nick7602 we're both wrong. Leibermuster was developed for both forces, I guess as a way to save money and unify the SS and Heer visually. I'm aware of the SS felduniform differences, though half the time the SS were rocking army jackets. You often see collar tabs that barely fit onto the tunic, for example. The 6 buttons was for tunics made of mid-late war fabric, which typically fared better with some extra support. Looks a bit nicer IMO too, though the SS did stick to 5 buttons, though again, they rocked heer uniforms due to Germany's absolutely shocking lack of resources and pretty average supply chain to the front. At one time I started to make reproduction uniforms but since I live in the most isolated and muggy backward nation on earth, I realised I would never sell a single item. Made a pretty decent m31 gebirgsrucksack and a reichswehr 8 button tunic before giving up lol

@@nick7602 ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-1IcVMWYI9p0.htmlsi=U5jnNHDhi_cQRfEg It is a German Video but there are subtitles. He explains how they came to be called WSS camouflage.

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Yes I think the fact that I didn't tie down the hood made it worse, but it was definitely the darkness off the pattern itself that made it stand out.

@@DomMAGZZstill a lot better than solid colors though. I’m surprised the red actually blended as well as it did.

@@Sparrow51403 Ya the red blends great with the brown leaves at far distances. I should have tried it out in the more dense parts of the woods as well. I think if I wasn't right in the center of the camera, the first one would have turned out to be harder to spot.

It was developped in germany to bring up engagement distances. It works from far away. The new one as well. I was hunting in October with Taz 90, stand at 60 meters from my father complete stand up, no bushes in the line of sight. I phone him, he did Not see me until i move fast. Background was Woodland at 60 meters to. It was the classical swiss wooded prairie. If you want to ambush, with dmr or lmg, os the way to go.

@@wthezz1042recently saw guys setting up in a hedge at a 3way intersection in taz90, I KNEW wehere to look and only spotted the guy lying down (I saw him lie down) at like 10m… never believe the camo before, been convinced ever since… To be fair, it was in a swiss forest, but god damn

Ya definitely better than nothing I agree.

That’s why they replaced it with the Taz90. Especially in swiss woods, that crap is a straight up invisibility hack. I‘ve seen a guy lie down behind a bush at a campsite. I had to get to like 5-10m before I could actually see him again… I KNEW where he was and couldn’t see him… I re-measured on a map, it felt like 10 back then, it was at most 5…

The more faded it is, the better it works.

Not really, black is effective color to break the silhouette. It's also natural! Dark wood/earth/mud/stone... in the shadow on a sunny day is black! "Oh but wait as second, that tiny patch of black on the ground is slightly darker than natural, it must be artificial, therefore busted!" -things that never happened.

@@somedud1140 black is not a natural color. It does not perform well in vegetated environments nor in dead vegetation. It’s primary role on this pattern was to break up patterns under infrared light/vision.

@@somedud1140 Much depends on the person's color perception. I could find him in every shot in about 1/10 of a second, and the Black is a main reason why, it's not a natural black and to me, it really stands out. Now, I have a large amount of experience finding people hiding in camo, so I can quickly scan and see what warrants more attention. Plus, I have excellent color vision, so even small color changes stand out to me. For many people, the Black breaks up the silhouette and makes for more effective camo, but for some people, the Black might as well be Day Glow Orange.

They just started issuing the latest iteration and indeed, the blacks have now made space for browns. Red was already out in the last update. So we now have something somewhat comparable to multicam, just overall a bit darker.

Yes its an SM-67. Good luck on the uniform!

it was made for night time operations and to conceal the wearer against infrared optics

@@abbcc5996 yes but DPM multi cam in day

lol, probably would.

Agreed

@@DomMAGZZwhich has been implemented with the Taz90

The 90 in CH foliage is straight up invisible sometimes, seen it myself

Have a look at a Taz 90, that’s straight up invisible in any amount of CH foliage… witnessed it myself

True. The Swiss didn't need to worry about wounds lol

@@DomMAGZZ Even if, most guys will be behind 2+ ft of concrete, that damn paranoia club definitely has more than I‘ve seen, and I‘ve seen them EVERYWHERE

If I was unemployed I'd be making a lot more videos 😉

No camo is 100% effective in all environments. For example most modern hunting camos at distance become a single color and you wind up looking like a human shaped silhouette, especially in the open. Most military camo isn't trying to hide the wearer absolutely but is just trying to break up the human shape and be somewhat effect both in the open and in cover also while moving or stationary.

They were all pretty easy lol. My new video is a bit harder to spot me, but it’s mostly because I went further away.