Tape Drives As Fast As Possible 

That could only fit a couple days of basic quality video (5:1 BRAW 12K)

@@ATOMIC_156 I was being sarcastic.

An abandoned comment section?

​@@techhelpportalextras3007 well stop the sarcasm as it doesn't get you anywhere in life

​@@stephensnell5707 oh i remember the time when sarcasm championships where a thing 😢

185 Terabytes is absolutely huge

The tape drive(which was the only storage I had) on my first computer stored approx 100kb per side on regular C60(you could get longer, but the heaviness of the reels caused tape stretching leading to read errors) audio tapes, and had access times of a startling 60 bytes per second for comparison. Keep in mind, this was the mid to late '80s and it had 64kb RAM, so the longest load/save was around 5 minutes, which wasn't that much slower than the floppies of the day. Of course, you had to write down the counter time for each file or loading could take ages of searching through the tape in real time to find the file.

Well, but how do they get the data from that tape storage.

@@stephensnell1379 Not anymore in 2033.

I see you are a time traveler, you posted over 10 years too early.

+vgamesx1 don't look at the price...

Byonnem Yeah I know.. :( But I'm sure you could find a few second hand at a reasonable price.

+vgamesx1 Amazon has a service called Glacier where you can store data on their tape archives for like 1 cent per gigabyte aws.amazon.com/glacier/

Sam Cooper Interesting, though I kinda prefer local storage so that way I could for example download my entire steam library and store it onto a tape and leave it, though at less than a cent per GB I might try that out.

+vgamesx1 I've never used it, so I can't vouch for it's quality. the thing is, you can't constantly access your data, you're only allowed to do that a couple times per month before you have to pay extra (because it takes so long to read). if you want a fun project for backing up your data locally, you can grab a 1 Terabyte drive for $50 on newegg, and probably 30 on a good sale.

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+WigWoo1 & SkipTheWolf Wow assume much? He could just be asking if hes happy. Trying to breed hate?

It's obvious, the Internet Trolls are among us ☺

+WigWoo1 & SkipTheWolf What's wrong with references?

+Matt Merrill Will still be god awfully slow. Tapes aren't meant for general use data storage anyway, they're meant for storing lots of backups, archives, or rarely used data for a long time.

+Matt S. (Jocopa3) Still, Imagine the amount of data you can store.

+Matt S. (Jocopa3) tl;dr-edition: not how it works but ur also right. that is not strictly how it works. there are tape drives out there that do 400MB/s with a single tape so they are not realy slow, and if you did a raid 0 you would be saturating PCIE 3.0 x4 pretty quickly BUT that is only true for a single large file that is read out sequentially. If you lay out the tape in front of you as a straight line and the file that you want to access is a quarter mile away, well, you have to get there first. With HDDs there is a travel distance of max. 2.6 inches for the read head, so the access times are only a few miliseconds. you could even put windows on one of these and it would work just fine. but if you do not wish to wait, oh I don't know, several years for it to boot from that tape drive, meanwhilst exchanging hundreds of burnt-out motors and worn-down gears, you would have to put it on there as a VHD (say, 64GB) file that is completely loaded into RAM before windows itself boots because windows consists of many many small files that lie pretty chaotically across the volume. so for the use of tape drives, you are right. great for archival stuff or backups, not a day-to-day thing. I only wish tape drives were cheaper and wider-spread because they seriously are the best way of getting to show our grandchildren in 40 yrs photos from the early 2000s. like, that would be the prefect application for this. just every few years copying a few GB to it. and it not loosing much of it. I would bet the decay time of data on tape is much longer than on HDDs, even while they are not used.

+krass76 With some tinkering you can make the files windows needs to load be just one big sequential read.... But otherwise pretty bad idea to do that :P

yes because windows can not be installed for more than five years without getting slower or BSODing all over the place but consider this... you never actually HAVE TO write anything to that VHD ever meaning that if you remove the write-head from your tape drive you essentially have a bombshelter-usable emergency PC that can not get destroyed by any virus (just reboot and you are good) requiring you do not attatch any other volumes and that will operate on as long as there is electric power. and yes, I do realise how terrible of an idea that is, but you could (even if it was outlandish and stupid having a volatile windows) that's basically an unbreakable, a little bigger, faster to boot, once customized, Windows Live CD like there has been for linux for ages...

+Sean Freeman to a certain extent.. Yeah

optical disks...

well yea... but if there happens to be a scratch on the disk you are screwed.

I know, I had to go back, and turn on captions because I did not believe it!

"Automatic like hdd"? Expound, please.

That is why the Universo is a "Behemoth" as well.

i own an lto2 drive and an lto4 drive, i recommend upgrading to lto4 since you can get them extremely cheap on ebay now (i saw one the other day going for $25 and free shipping)

Huh? That's way different than tape. Tape has unmimited storage capacity. Core memory and CRT was limited. In fact ALL storage medium besides tapes are limited

I worked at a bank and we had well over 85,000 9 track tapes in the vault

+pat ob "All the new versions" and there is only one Thunderbolt which uses USB connector, and that is Thunderbolt 3 which uses USB type C connector (they have video on usb type C)

+pat ob There is only 3 thunderbolt versions... 1,2 and 3... The only difference between them is the speed. There are varying connectors though. USB Type C and the Mini DisplayPort connector being the most popular ones

Amazing how you can think your up to date when this stuff has been around since the dawn of PCs

That was an issue decades ago, it has been resolved.

@Qimodis How so?

This Video refers to Magnetic Tape that is sandwiched in plastic to protect the tape

@@stephensnell5707 which has nothing to do with how it holds data.

In the worst case scenario you can buy a drive and some tapes, backup all your stuff and then sell the drive again :Do It's not perfect but it's worth it 😜

+Nathan Jones that's not a thing yet

kolby4078 they have existed for years just not commercially.

kolby4078 www.slashgear.com/scientists-invent-superman-like-crystal-data-storage-medium-02407575/

+Nathan Jones Woah...

+Nathan Jones It is pretty much a over-glorified CD-R. Just instead of burning into a dye you are burning into a silicon crystal. Might have great capacity, but inherently single-write only, slow write speeds, and the read speed needs to be determined. It might become a backup medium.

+Deses Probably, but the server version should work fine, most of those drives use the regular pci slot, so it should work(you'll just have to open your case everytime you want to back something up)

+Deses LTO5 tape drive cost $1,876 (amazon), then you need to include the number of tapes (LTO5 tape is $19.57), cleaning tapes (1 cleaning tape cleans 50 times) ($50 per cleaning tape), software that supports tapes.For home use: either A network attached storage solution or as simple as backup to external drive and leave at friend/parents house.

@@TechPorkChop why not use an LTO-1 for less than $100, software is FREE. Please be accurate with your information Tape solutions for the home are COMPLETELY affordable.

Yes there are, but not a tape library system that will fit your 5.25". The type of tape drive will depend on each tape capacity. you have to balance with the amount of data you want to back up in each run v. the capacity of each tape. This will determine how many tape changes you need to do.

Easy. Ports are just IP connection points in a particular o/s. For example port 8080 is a standard port name for browsers to connect with a web server. Think of this: a computer can have lots of software running on it at once, yes? Each piece of software can use the internet to send/receive data, how does. The internet get to the correct software on that machine? Simple, through port numbering. Software will "bind" itself (via config files) telling the o/s that if you need to communicate with that software, they must use the correct port number. There is an industry standard that all web browsers use port 8080 to connext to aoftware known as a web server. Just because the software has "server" in its name does not mean it needs a server class machine to run on. The word server nust means the software will respond to a request for data, like a web server, database server, etc. Back to our problem. So we have a machine that has an IP address of 192.168.1.20 an IP packet that arrives at that machine that wants to connext to the web server program that's running in that machine. The o/s inspects the port number in the TCP/IP header that arrived and sees that data packet goes to some software that has been bound to port 8080. If the o/s finds software that is bound to port 8080, the o/s will pass the data to that program, the web server program. You can bind the webserver program to any number you choose if its available on your machine (Google standard port numbers so you dont conflict) then on your web browser jjst type 192.168.1.20:xxx (where xxxx is your new port number) and Bang! your connected. Port number are just a way to identify programs by a number, this makes it easier to put into a TCP/IP packet Understand now?

+Ganaram Inukshuk Yep, it's mostly used for offsite backup that must be kept around for a very long time without data loss, and doesn't need read. My dad uses it at work, tape snapshots of everything are taken once a month and the tapes moved to an offsite vault for something like 10 years in case they're needed, either for an audit of any sort or to repair everything if something happens. (they also have an offsite incremental backup that runs nightly as well for the more day to day things)..

+Ganaram Inukshuk i have a lot of tapes...but nothing to play them on..

+Bpendragon Presents Once a month really isn't great of a plan for worst case scenario, he has some form of HDD backup onsite/offsite right?

+Ganaram Inukshuk I'm still running casette tapes in my 24 year old car Lol. (But that's because the CD player broke, radio is shit and there is no reasonable way to replace it)

I still have loads of music cassettes. Cassettes FTW

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Most likely it uses SCSI for the interface.

Yes its called M-disc and it does make a claim of a 1000 years. I use it to preserve videos, audio and photos. DVDs will be aroibd for a long time unless a more portable and universal medium takes its place. Until then M-disc is a perfect archive solution

Ask yourself WHY do you want to pay for all that capacity in ONE tape? Tape systems have unlimited capacity. So if you use a tape that has a 50gb capacity you have to change tapes more frequently. Is it REALLY necessary that you place ALL your data on ONE tape? Place them on several less capacity tapes.

+HexerPsy Yes it's the same as a hard drive in the sense it knows where the files are kept, it has a file system like a hard drive. But it takes AGES for the tape to wind to that location in comparison to a hard drive or SSD, and as such the "access time" for every file is horrendously slow

+innie721 That's why when you save something in them, you better hope you won't need to access it again for some time

Interesting... Just out of curiosity - whats the read and write speed on these things? xD I cant find it anywhere...

***** a bit faster than 3" floppy disks

Altarya DeFlammes internet says... 100-125bkps... So for a floppy thats a few MBs in size, it would take minutes to read or write the entire thing... Then... making a back up of some company server would take daaays to make...... Am I missing something here?