Testing The Water-Methanol Injection Method On A 572 Big Block - Horsepower S15, E17 

If you are referring to water meth injection it was used in the oldsmobile turbo jet fire back in early 60s. They called it turbo rocket fluid or something

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500mph is wild considering planes were invented not that long ago

Edelbrock made one, Varajection. I used it on a Chevy powered olds F-85/Cutlass with a turbo, and a homemade nitrous coupler I made in HS shop class, (thanks Mr. Goo, RIP ) to spin the turbo up. Turbo lag was a drag back then.

We used them on Corvairs. I also used them on high compression engines. Big difference on both.

I think the Problem with the Oldsmobile was simply the fact that car owners didn't keep the water / Methanl tank full .

Automotive turbocharging was in its infancy. The turbo Pontiac 301 with a Rochester carb was better after 20 or so years research. The American engine that really got turbos on factory autos was the Buick Regal and Grand Nationals with electronic controls. Tamed the beast (fuel metering) for street and once tuners figured out how to hack the modules it was a hot rodders dream.

@@daledavies2334 My modified '79 Z-28 Camaro always ate stock Grand Nationals and the Turbo Pace Car Trans Am for Lunch .. I am sure they can be made to be faster.. Also I have 110 HP Nitrous kit on it .

@@mikeskidmore6754Comparing your modified Camaro to a stock Regal of Grand National is not a fair comparison. You also do not explain just what modifications you performed. Those turbo Regals and Grand Nationals with ported heads, aftermarket cam, turbo, injectors and a tune are rapid vehicles. So we need to compare apples to apples or oranges to oranges.

I don't think the engine would run right on 93 alone. Would knock.

@@samuelriester1419 Yeah I think you are right. I don't think a lot of people understand the way you get more power with water/meth injection is that it allows you to run higher compression and advance timing (static and dynamic, but usually dynamic for the spoolie boys) because the limiting factor of higher power potential fuels for NA motors will always be the inability to shove enough air into the cylinders. So quite literally, the only thing water/meth could accomplish would be decreasing combustion gas temps allowing for higher compression or more timing advance. Hence why, a motor not tuned for it (NA ones especially) will reap little to no benefit from water/meth injection. (they sprinkled this information in the video I thought I should condense it) NA ones especially because pretty much the only thing they can change without huge mods would be timing. Chances are by running 93, they'd have to cut timing so much it'd just be worthless. That engine was designed for race gas, anything else and it'll knock just like you said.

it works ok I use it on my magnusun c5, c6 and am putting it on my Ford Lightning soon as well as my C7 Z06.

I have Ford Ranger 4.0 V6 with a Eaton m90 strapped to it using water injection. It keeps the intake and exhaust temps cooler for sure.

I wonder if they added too much. I have a Water/Meth set-up on my BMW 335D and it works just fine. Probably comes down to how well it atomizes the mixture.

@@MikeyB_1972 engine masters season 6 episode 98. They tried water-meth injection on a boosted LS (because everyone and their mother has a boosted ls nowadays) and the water-meth mixture would only work to a certain degree, when they put straight methanol into it they made way more power. If you can I'd check it out sometime, your BMW would probably have some noticeable power gains

Snow performance has been doing this for yrs never had any issues with there system,I'd have to actually see the tests they ran to believe that it almost hydolocked there engine! Been building motors for 30yrs never even heard of this issue! And all I run is big boost 4 and v8 engines!

I’d bet so, meth is like 118+octane. Its like Nitrous’s cousin. Of course it’s better when by itself then watered down. Problem is that requires a lot of extra fuel and not every engine has room to spare in there fuel system to pump more, because without it, your back to lean/ engine knocking problems unfortunately.

@port nut injecting methanol makes it richer because youre adding fuel

Cools the engine so I run full time.

The water/meth runs only during high load or high boost, 75%+ throttle or high airflow. So it doesn't spray all that much. It can spray for as long as there is high boost on the motor. The highly atomized water is supposed to evaporate completely before reaching the cylinder and that is what cools the air. The methanol cools too but also acts as a fuel AND octane improver. That is my understanding of all this.

Depending on the nozzle size. But usually just only a few minutes. It's really only ever being used at WOT. For my own truck a gallon of water usually last a tank of gas depending how heavy my foot is.

Go with nitrous

Propane is a much safer option.

@@callmesomething1425 who makes a kit??

maybe drill/tap elsewhere

That's actually incorrect. Methanol does in fact increase the octane rating of the mix. It also cools, but the cooling effect comes mainly from water, which has a significantly higher cooling capacity compared to fuel.

There isn't much benefit and it also makes it a lot more dangerous if there is a leak. You can't ship anything with over 50% methanol in it either. I use to mix my own but it was because it was way cheaper and I actually ran with less methanol 30/70. Buying and mixing is to much a hassle though. I just use 100% distilled water now.

You burn 20-25% more e85 than pump gas due to being less dense. It is a wash with pump gas vs e85 distance because you can't go as far on e85 but it's cheaper, also e85's octane is around 105 and burns cooler than race gas. You can increase timing with meth or e85 only prob with meth is if you have high timing and pump gas and the meth pump fails there is a good chance you'll loose your engine if your doing a pull and don't notice in time

@@bigboreracing356 But we don't really know, do we? 700 hp, 572 ci mo plenum mo bettah maybe. The maybe is the issue\.

@@bigboreracing356 Money isn't the issue, the plate was already in hand. It's a question of scientific method. If it's to be a test of tune/hp for race gas vs tune/hp for pump gas + water/methanol then that should be the only variable.

@@bigboreracing356 I won't go that far, for all I know the difference may not have amounted to much. It's just an unaccounted difference that caught my attention.

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Sir Harry Ricardo developed the water injection system.

Where I live 93 octane costs $0.80 a gallon more. If I can run 87 octane instead of 93, I can save $16.00 a tankful. The kit for a n/a efi car costs $600.00 + $6.00 a gallon for the fluid, it pays for itself in 10k miles. Something to consider

You're completely missing the point of the kit. When used properly it makes the octane over 100, which here is like $15 a gallon at the pump. It's not designed to allow you to put cheap gas in your engine and then spray meth to bring it back up. I would put the highest available octane at the pump and then let the meth keep the charge Temps down and timing high. For supercharged cars it helps a ton. I've been contemplating running a system like this on my procharged 19 gt but I think I'll just go e85 since it is everywhere In san diego

This aged horribly lol. It's a dollar difference where I'm at thanks to odj...

Gallon of meth lasts me quite a while on the street

This system cools the intake charge, little different than running higher octane. Had one of these systems they truly do work you can feel it noticeably

Nope. The Ford 6.0 diesel is one tho

Because it would probably detonate and blowup the motor. They are showing you that you can use water injection as a replacement for expensive high octane race gas.