The 2023 Honda Civic Type R Has One BIG Problem... 

Thanks for the wedding wishes! Honda Civic Type R or Corolla GR?

Biggest problem is the 25k plus markups. 4 dealers in San Diego with the car on the show room floor are charging 25k markup. The dealer I went to wanted 68k for a black one 🤣.

Congrats on the marriage! Personally I think the new style is more approachable than last gen, but it is somewhat hard to distinguish from the standard civic. You are correct the wing looks like an afterthought. I like it but I think the aftermarket can really help it out. To be a little more out there, but not to the point of the last gen.

I like the new Type-R. The subtle look opens the doors to more buyers.

I like the toned down style bc it lets you modify it to the degree that you want instead of Honda doing it for you

Looks are subjective now there are 2 R’s to choose from. The Gundam look or the blend in traffic look. Personally I still prefer the look of the FK8 you won’t confuse it.

Hey Man I think Adding POV shots and pulls to your vids will add so much depth. Keep killing it. Congrats on your marriage

Biggest problem is the price lmao

CONGRATULATIONS ON THE MARRIAGE!!! So happy for you and MRS. that girl in blue. So happy for you guys. May you two have a happy life together

I just turned 50 last month and after owning an EP3 for 7 years and being a FA5 Si owner for the past 10 years, I can't help but drool over the FL5.... I love the styling very much on this car. And although I may never actually own one, one can dream. Maybe I'll get one used in a few years once I've become "bored" of my restored and repainted FA5.

Congrats on the wedding. My biggest disappointment with both the FL5 and FK8 CTR's is the markups. Honda isn't charging the dealers any more money over invoice just because it's a CTR. This is specifically the dealer networks and the consumers overpaying at fault. I hear some paying north of $50k and honestly you can get so much more car at that price point and for $50k I rather import something more exclusive.

Congrats David! Welcome to the club. Well, not until the honeymoon phase is over =p, haha. Its really cool reflecting back on all the years and where we are now. Congrats again and enjoy your new family! Keep up the good work!

The overheating is a real problem even the Spoon techs were talking about how cooling with the new type r is better but could still become an issue in a serious track car.

Personally, I like the overall look of the FK8 more than the FL5. Don't get me wrong, I do like the toned down look of the FL5, but there's just something about the FK8 that draws my eye more. The sharper edges, the aggressive body lines, just make it stand out more. Fake vents aside, the FK8 is more aesthetically appealing to me.

Yes! Thank you for being real about the wing! If it’s stock it’s shit, if it’s aftermarket WOW HOW COOL. Dude it’s tasteful and functional without trying hard.

Dude congrats to you and the wifey💪🏾💪🏾💙

If I could buy one for under 40k… say 36 or so, I would for sure. 43k…. No thanks. I think they nailed it with the looks, it was what turned me away from the last gen

Congratulations on the marriage!! On a side note, are we going to see a build update on Alejandra's Miata?

Seems like they dialed back the looks, but increased everything pertaining to driving, stiffening up the car, making it a better track weapon. I dig it, but please, don't buy one for over msrp. This isn't a $60k car by any means.

Congratulations on the marriage! Glad that you put down the youtube camera and didn't shout it to the world. Good for you.

I like both. The softer edges of the new model and the sharp angles of the prior model.

Congrats on the marriage my dude, here's to you two and a great life together!

AYO WHAAAAATTTTT?!?!?! Congratulations on the wedding you two! Alejandra and her family all seemed so nice and welcoming I'm glad you two decided to tie the knot!

Personally, I love the looks of the new one. The previous gen was just too much for me. The new one I find very handsome and sporty. Beautiful design. Great ratios. Nicely balanced.

Congrats on the marriage ☺️ The looks are much better looking but ya, that wing looks totally added on.

This car looks like a work of art compared to the last. It actually has a shape, not just a blob of edges and lines.

I don't think it's really in competition with the GR Corolla since they'll both sell out immediately 10-20% over msrp

Hey David, just curious if you'll make a reaction video to tpain and pickle Rick. I know you said you had fell back from the shop but I'm sure more people are curious about what happened with you and your 240 when it was over there.

ONLY problem? Dealer Markups Supply/demand RU-vidrs/Popularity (attribute to above) Definitely more than one 😂

Great powertrain. Nice interior. Good tires. Yup that's it.

Honda launched Acura in North America, not in Japan, and Acura was the first Japanese luxury brand and later on, Toyota and Nissan launched their own luxury brand Lexus and Infiniti respectively.

The front looks good but if you look at it from the side, the ratio looks odd.

I love the new look of the Type R. It looks like a car again, not a Hotwheels toy! 🥳 My favorite is still the 8th gen design, that was when I fell in love with the Civic. 9th gen was also cool, especially the interior was a big upgrade, 10th gen was just way over the top though. Glad to see they've once again struck just the right balance between normal sedan and track car design for what it is and how it (probably) performs! And I think the spoiler does fit it quite well. I like how its shape follows the boot line and I don't mind that it looks "aftermarket"/"like an afterthought" at all. What do you expect, it's an economy sedan with track car upgrades and I commend them for not being afraid to show that. It makes so much more sense than the last model, where they seemingly designed the Type R first and then stripped the most aggressive design elements away for the base model. The result of that philosophy was one normal commuter car cosplaying as road racer and a Type R that felt awkward and desperate to look faster than it is.

5 grand too much, Carolla going to steal all that entry level hot hatch buyer.

Yo congrats David! 🎉🎉🎉

Just caught you in the Hyundai N-Gage episode. How was it? Really wasn't expecting to see you there

If it must be a 4 door hatch then I'd prefer it to keep the front end and sides of the fk8 and the rear of the fl5 minus the wing. I like the smaller carbon fiberish styled spoiler of the new Si.

As far as looks, I’m certain its a case of media vs reality. If people saw it in person the appeal would be greater, the reserved looks really benefited from the focused treatments. The lack of a real, good exhaust sound really hurts it, cause thats a bit of marketing they’re missing out on badly; no kind of emotion out of that exhaust through video. Also an issue, while updated and potentially faster, stock for stock the FK8 is faster in a roll 😳 those small things will hurt it against the new stuff that offer more personality, toys or performance

Congratulations bro on the marriage!!! Great Review as always and keep them coming!!

Will you make a comparison between the Golf R, GR Corolla, and Honda Type R and which one you'd ultimately?

It a nice civic but not worth the sticker price without AWD. If they had a 2 door version it would be a game changer.

Congratulations 🎉, like the look of the new R .

The fact that you and Ben from gears and gasoline were here in Northern California at my home track is crazy

I like it a lot better than the last one. I like the more sort of look that way when you do modify it you'll have your own look and aftermarket for wide bodies and all that stuff will make it look better if you want to. They'll make it look like the whole type of if you want it to. So I do like it that it's more Factory looking versus a car that's already modified. Like it seemed like the old one was already modified and he just got in and drove it. This one gives you room for creativity.

If this was AWD it would give the GR a good run

I think throttle house proved it was actually slighty slower then the old one 😂

Mans got married and still dropped a vid! My guy!

I owned a Type R Ep3 20 years ago and loved it (before I wrecked it) What I disliked about the previous model was the track with between wheels was larger in the front than the rear. It seems they have changed that with the new model. If this is true I might consider this as a winner as far as styling goes and by ordering one you might just lock yourself into having the last of its kind being a true manual, ultra-reliable non-electrified, Japanese hot hatch. Love it! Can't wait to see one in the flesh. The Belgian Honda website said 61k € taxes included.

Between the two I’m going type r. If given a choice of anything in the segment I’d get a gti and if possible a golf r.

I think the real problem is how much of a mark up dealers will be adding to the already high msrp. It looks so much better than the outgoing version, it’s got more power so yeah, the only problem is cost. For the 60k it will probably be selling for, I’d rather have a certified used Audi or the like.

Minus the rear end, I love it man. Great car!

This was shot at Sonoma? very cool!!

Umm the real problem with the latest gen is that it can't keep up with the previous generation in a rolling start.

Maybe I'm getting old or maybe its inflation but I got a 2017 Type R for $34k @MSRP so the $42k price tag on this thing is bonkers, thats more than I paid for my RHD NSX with ~33k miles on it.

Congrats on your wedding! Happy for you guys! Love your videos brother!

The wheel vents do work, but it doesnt do much for performance other than a constant flow of air on your brakes and wheels

This latest version of the type R, appeals to me alot, bought my dc2r 15 years ago, and this version has matured like many of the original type R buyers, good to have 5 doors now for those with kids, looks refined, all the mod cons etc etc

I drive a Type R myself (mind you jusrt an old Ep3 because K-Series for win), it's a fun car everytime I get inside. Runs great in the twisties and comfortable enough for daily driving. I didn't like any of the Type R's up until this one. It's clean enough to not look absolutely tacky like the last two (seriously just overdesigned cars) but different enough to distuingish from the regular Civic. IMO it's a beautiful car and I'm one of the few people that really likes the wing. Also red carpets for the win!!

David, you can't just stick that "oh no" emoji on EVERY vid. Lmao

tbh I used to like the FL5 but I think the "Fake Vent" FK8 is actually a good car. Not because it looks cool but It feels cool to ride in. I rode in my relative's FK8 and it was great experience. The FL5 looks boring even if it's mature and I think it just feel like an FN2 but with more horsepower. This time, I think the FK8 should be my dream car along with the FD2.

Throttle House did a roll ease between the new type r vs the FK8 (last gen) and the FK8 is faster in a straight line

First off…Congratulations on getting married!! I like that it looks more “mature”, but the spoiler could’ve been color-coordinated to the car. I would’ve liked to have seen it in a true hatchback as well. Can’t win them all, but they should’ve tried to keep that alive…

AYYYYY congrats David lets go on the marriage boi love you guys keep it up

i owned an fk.8 im honestly excited for this fl5 i like both designs just apprieciate it all

I think if I were in the market I'd really just want to try both, ...one of the hardest things about these Type R's is it's really hard for me to call em a *Civic,* they're huge. But, I like wagons, too, and they make a decent sized one that way, I guess. :) GR Corolla seems more rally-oriented, though so I'd be inclined to gravitate there, presuming I liked it in the real world. On the new looks, I'm not in love with it, but actually less conflicted than about the Gundam version I'd probably want to tone down. I like the new wing, looks like tasteful aftermarket.

I love the new civic design so much especially the wing I only wish it had a two door variant

Off topic, Im lookin at a automatic 2007 Acura TL Type-S, with 148k miles, for $13,000. Clean title and serviced at Acura Dealerships according to CarFax Timing belt, Starter, Spark plugs, intake and valve cover gasket(s) replaced according to CarFax. Previous owner installed a aftermarket K&N air filter that's in decent shape. 0 Rust underneath vehicle, and I saw the new timing belt when I checked it out in person but couldn't see the starter and others.. Risky or good enough? Also quickly there's another 07' TL Type-S with 84k miles for $18,990 thats been sold at auction one time in like 09', it's appears to be in perfect aesthetic condition I haven't seen in person yet.

I have the 2016 FK2 model that America never saw. 306hp, lighter and more raw. Way rarer than FK8 but was the 'test bed' for the FK8 engine. Awesome car. Not upgrading to FL5

amen congratulations on the wedding your wife you're a lucky man she's beautiful she seems like she got a good dude who seems down to earth and it's just a great Car Guy who appreciates all cars not just one type of cars but that's what I love about this channel I'm a Ford guy at heart but I've owned seven Hondas multiple Chevys multiple Buicks miniature species you name it I've owned it Nissan's Toyotas I've had them all I am like you said as you say you know you're doing blue obviously you're a Ford guy but I do want to congratulate you and your wife on the new life enjoy it

I love the 10th Gen exterior but I love the 11th Gen interior. If these things were affordable, I’d be very conflicted as to which one I’d get

$43,000 if you get really lucky. I was quoted $58,000 from one dealer and $$64,000 out the door from another. Not happening. Ill keep my FK8 and revisit this one in 3 years when there's many more on the market

Congratulations to the both of you...🥂🏁✌🏽

I like the rear wing, it looks great!

At least the new one doesn't make your eyes bleed when you look at it.

Whatt you were at sonoma raceway and didn't do a meet and greet in the bay area??

Congrats David God bless you guys!!!!!

At 60k plus with markups I’m looking at something like an M2. Hard pass for now, volume proposition goes out the window at current prices.

I have a solar yellow base model 2003 Toyota Celica GT, it has a dna catback, a megan racing short shifter, and a stage 2 exedy clutch, pressure plate, and flywheel, my buddy lives down in georgia and i plan on visiting him next summer, would you maybe be interested in doing a review?

Congrats bro 🥳🥳🥳

One big problem: It's missing 4 cylinders.

The new type r is miles nicer looking than the old one

How could you leave out the new Individual Drive Mode feature?

I think both the fk8 and fk9 both look absolutely fantastic in their own right. The fk8 looks fast sitting still while the fk9 looks super wide and aggressive yet classy at the same time

They should of kept the aggressive front end of the previous model with the back end of the current one.

Nice to see my feeds popping up with all white new TypeR´s because embargos are for everybody and everybody went for the same press- event where Honda couldn get other colors :) I liked Superfastmatt´s review the most, hes a truly professional :)

I really like the old model civic, both inside and out (biased because I have a modded 2018 Si), and I don't dislike the outside of the new one, but I hate the screen placement in the dash. It's not just Honda, a bunch of cars are doing this now and I hate it in every instance. It makes it look like the infotainment is an afterthought.

I love the new styling. Looks VERY nice, very mature but still less boring than the Golf R. Yes, the rear wing does not flow with the car as the previous one did.

People need to go see this car in person. It just doesn't get enough justice from any lense. This car is absolutely perfect once you get to see it in person. I personally was very impressed once I saw it. It makes the older type R look like a mistake. Go see it and then create a real opinion. Not a fan of the red interior but it looks so beautiful that I don't even mind the red interior.

No I have a question I heard there's a two-door coupe coming in? And the new prelude? I think that means if they're bringing back then then you prelude those delsol probably coming up too wish I would love that.

My critic for the 11th gen civic is the placement of the infotainment screen, it's perfect for the rear middle pssanger to look at it. 10th gen had it slightly angled up making it easier on the drivers eyes when looking at the back up camera.

Is USA even getting the GR Corolla and Yaris. I heard it's not being released in US.

On the way home tonight I pulled up on a last gen & while I liked them at 1st, I thought iit looks overstyled now. The new 1 looks great, except that wing. The mounts are too high up on the rear decklid. It looks like a kid mounted it in his backyard at night without any lighting.

I think the new wing looks way better tbf. And I love how the Styling looks more like the Honda Accord.

Congrats on the wedding dude!

I am in love with my 2020 Honda Civic Si. I am keeping the car for life. This K10C motor is good but Honda DESPERATELY NEEDS to upgraded this motor to VTEC on both intake and exhaust camshafts.

This car is an absolute win in terms of both exterior and interior styling compared to the 10th gen Type R. That's a fact

Congratulations on the wedding man good for you

Awesome review! I'm definitely sold.

Type R looks timeless, awesome addition to garage

I'm not a fan of how the civic looks. But congrats on the wedding David. Happy for u bud