It says a lot that you guys consistently sit down and have these conversations, and the guests are consistently like "...yep." (your research is solid). No one does this kind of content, love this channel. I think the guests gain an appreciation too (respect of craft).
Completely disagree. In a vacuum, yes the engineer segments are fine although I never found them that great to begin with. They are just gonna toe the company line maybe with some good nuggets here and there. Jack can cover most of it. If you watched the last livestream, the future of this channel seemed in serious jeopardy due to burnout. Reduce effort and cut these out. Would you rather have engineer segments or no more SG?
@@austinfrazier7325 Whatever they decide to do with this channel, I will stick around for it to try. The decision you pose is not my responsibility, but theirs. Like many RU-vidrs, they will have to weigh the tough choice of time/effort vs retention, and I won't fault them for changing directions. edit: Because you could very well be completely correct
They are what they are because of in depth stuff like this. If we wanted the same old reviews, I’d check out the other 12,000 car review channels. Keep it up SG
Props to GM for consistently supporting SG in these kinds of videos. Well done to Jack too with the interview portion. He structured the interview really well and asked all the right questions. Maybe in the future we could get full interviews on a Patreon?
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't think there's been an engine with cylinder deactivation that has turned out well in the long run. At worst they're regarded as some of the shortest lived engines.
My 5.3 is from 2009 with AFM and so far it has held up. I do know the dark side of AFM though bc my dad had a 2008 Avalanche with the same powertrain and he had lots of top end issues all related to AFM. It seems to me that they last about 150k before major issues occur, or they have issues immediately. You can deactivate or trick the system into never triggering AFM but that requires a tune or a plugin from one company for $300. You can also replace the lifters with one piece lifters and a tune and that will make the truck run like it was designed without AFM in the first place
The biggest problem I see is that they're probably not going to last over 150k miles before needing a new engine. Whereas a good 8 cylinder will last over 300k.
I will not own a newer toyota tacoma with the 2GR-FKS v-6 engine. has DI and Port injectors. Port alone is perfectly fine to go with. DI has too many problems.
@@user-re6yj7gr6jYou don't know that though. The same crap was said when Ford came out with the 3.5 Ecoboost. Those engines have evolved and proven themselves. GM can't afford to screw this engine up. My money is on this engine being a durable workhorse.
Much respect for that interview. I don't even have an interest in trucks but hearing what they had to say about their engineering of this product made me respect GM and their engineer teams just a little bit more now. Jack kept digging for more details and info and we all got rewarded for it. Great review, this is exactly why this is my favorite RU-vid automotive channel by far.
Full disclosure. In my 23 years working in the Auto Industry. 11 of them have been with GM. I started in 1999 took a long break and back since 2014. Ive seen the worst and best of GM. This engine seems to be well built. Ive driven many since they came out in 2019. Including a loaner for a week while my Silverado Trailboss was down with a transmission issue ( 8 speed, internal temp sensor failure). They drive well, they build boost fast. However, i vert much disagree about then sound, these sound awful! Im general i enjoy the sound of a properly boosted 4 cylinder, I grew up modding DSMs. But the 2.7 sounds like it hates to rev. Fuel economy. My 5.3L Trailboss get better highway fuel economy than a 2.7L without the Trailboss lift and highway tires. The 2.7L is better in the city for sure. Overall the 2.7L is a fine choice. But it's not better than the 5.3L
Yeah they are approximately equal depending on your needs. It would be awesome if they made a turbo V6 mild or full hybrid (not plug in) to give 20mpg+ in the city
It seems like the primary goal of this engine was not to be "better than the old 5.3L V8". Seems like it was mainly to develop such a modular engine that they can use it in a bunch of different applications and vehicles. Being sort of "equal to the old 5.3L V8", better than the tragic 3.6L V6, better than the 2.5L 4cyl, and being able to scale much more production of just one engine seems like a win for the brand overall, as long as they prove reliable. I don't know if I'd particularly want this over a 5.3L, but I'd definitely want it over any of the prior 3 Colorado engines.
It will be interesting to see how all these new, turbo 4 cylinder truck engines hold up over the long run. This kind of engine seems appropriate for a mid size truck, but I'd personally rather have a V6. Great content from Savage Geese as always!
@@terrencejones9817 I just want less wastegates and mechanisms to fail. I'll probably keep my tacoma v6 for a long time since toyota ruined the new one with a turbo as well.
Turbo replacements before 100k miles guarantee it all these new engines have even worse planned obsolescence than anything we’ve had previously. Manufacturers need to post earnings every quarter
They aren't designed to hold up over the 'long run'. The entire car industry is going 4 cyl turbo because they want you to buy a new vehicle out of warranty when they start to fail.
I really appreciate the thought that went into this new engine and the journalism that made all of this information available to us, John Q Public. That said, I'd be a lot more excited for an inline 6, perhaps running lower boost levels than the I4, especially as a base engine in the Silverado/Sierra. Interesting that they went to the trouble to have an electric aux pump for pre-charging the transmission but didn't take that step on the engine and get oil to the turbo bearings, mains/rods, and top end before the engine even turns over.
@@akdomun you know, I don't think it would matter much. Hardly anybody replaces a car because it has mechanically worn out. I think they'll trade out/up every 4- 7 years (or whenever the warranty is up) regardless.
@GoFastGator CLEARLY YOUR AVOIDING AN ENTIRE SEGMENT OF THE MARKET WITH THOSE REMARKS..LOW INCOME PEOPLE HAVE VEHICLES WEAR OUT FROM OLD AGE..MY BUDDY HAS A DEALERSHIP OF PRE OWNED AND JUST TALK TO A GUY LIKE THAT AND YOULL HEAR ALL ABOUT IT. IF A CAR BECOMES MORE EXPENSIVE TO FIX THAN WHAT ITS WORTH, ITS "WORN OUT"..WITH ALL OF THE ELECTRICAL COMPONENTS AND INCREASED COMPLEXITY THIS IS HAPPENING MORE NOW THAN EVER JUST LOOK AT THE GERMAN ENGINEERED STUFF IN JUNK YARDS.
Initially, I wasn't a big fan of large displacement 4 cylinder engines and I wasn't expecting much from the 2.7T used here either. I thought it was just a big cheap 4 cylinder for compliance and EPA ratings. However, listening to the GM guy talk about all the engineering and development that went into all aspects of this engine really changed my mind. Since the engine was designed this way from the beginning, it is likely going to be better than other engines that simply added a turbo to them. Add in small details like the electric water pump to cool the turbo even after you turn the vehicle off, and it seems like they really did work to not only maximize what they can get out of the engine, but also try to keep things as reliable as possible.
@@GoldenCrocford 3.5 eco boost motor. The 2.7 v6 is so much better made because it was made for boost. The 3.5 had boost added later which exasperated components that weren’t made for that.
Direct Injection and variable displacement are old problems for GM. The new ones are electric water pump, variable displacement oil pump and apparently electric transmission pumps. Great content, nobody does this kinda depth, just wish Jack gone deaper since he was already so far down the tech rabit hole.
I really cannot believe they went with an electronic water pump. After decades of issues with BMW, VW and others have had with them, GM getting in this late to the game is just baffling. They even use PLASTIC! They'll be scheduled, early, preventative maintenance without a doubt.
Planned obsolescence… keep your old car for as long as you can. Even the globally-beloved Toyota will make their newer cars break more often than older ones. Most new cars are a scam. Lexus IS500, for example, is probably one of the last new cars where reliability is truly guaranteed since it’s technically so old.
@@faheemabbas3965 Nailed. Smacks of it. New vehicles are Iphones. When they start to break and engineers who design them know when that is based upon development testing, you either dump the truck out of warranty or pay for it twice when things start to break and they will break like clockwork after 4 year warranty. AFM on a 4 cylinder really? Is GM that desperate for CAFE?...that they will compromise engine durability by shutting off the inner cylinders at cruise? Direct injection = dirty valves no matter what the architecture. Electric fuel pump. Industry is going 4 cylinder to lower fuel consumption, increase engine temps and pressure, everything made of out plastic aka BMW and will fail at higher mileage. Planned obsolescence.
@lukewalker1051 don't worry about DI, they've got an overengineered PCV system and an intake port that generates tornado of air over the valve that'll just blow the oil right off 😂😂 give me a break. Even with a catch can its a matter of WHEN, not IF carbon builds up on the valve
Kind of interesting he made the case for how important oiling is for a turbo motor, and the took off the piston oil sprayers off of the work truck motor. I know there is a reason for it, but it doesn't seem like an area where I would make a cost cutting decision.
@@v8_sami They said they increase emissions. Dunno how fuel consumption would be affected, but to me it sounded like a thinly veiled hint that spraying oil there might increase the amount burned. And burned oil really does mess up emissions.
@@tom30 I was thinking that could be the case. However (I am not an automotive engineer), I remember older redblock Volvo engines with oil squirters (I think 1993+) usually experience a lot less piston slap as they age compared to older engines without them. I think most turbo redblocks always had them. Obviously take that with a big grain of salt.
@@Dowlphinburning oil increases emissions significantly, iirc it's one of the main reasons why Mazda killed the Renesis rotary: they used oil to lubricate the apex seals but in turn were pretty bad in mission control because of it
One of the best video you ever uploaded! Love mechanical and engineering deep-dives, especially by a good speaker such as this gentleman from GM! Thank you Geese'n'Gorillas 🙏
Terrific content and interviews. And I appreciate how you manage the PR speak vs. tough questions with the factory reps. That said, it's a really hard sell to take a 2.7 I4 over the DI 5.3 V8. Will be interesting to see how the used truck market fares over the next couple years. Yeah, corporate and small biz fleets will move on to whatever is cheapest to run as they turn over their 100k-200k mile work trucks, but I suspect the demand for good condition V8s will keep prices high for a long time.
The way this engine is designed, it reminds me a lot of how reliable 4 cylinder diesels are built for tractors and so forth. This could end-up being as legendary as the LS. Thanks for such a great deep dive. Edit: I commented before I finished the video and I see I wasn't the only one thinking about this as built like a diesel engine. 😂
@@Josh-cw8by Absolutely, great point! Didn't even think about that even though I should have. I owned a couple of 1G DSMs in the late 90s/early 00s.. currently own a unicorn 99 3000GT VR4. 🙂
@@tkin1973 Yeah, I definitely agree. I haven't owned any American cars since I was a teen for good reason. I can't imagine spending as much as Ford's cost right now yet still get stuck with so many problems.
I remember the days when all it took to understand an engine basically came down to intake, compression, power, exhaust. Now, it’s turbos, direct injection, cylinder deactivation and all of this ancillary and computerized crap attached to the engine to manage and control certain functions like load management etc. From an engineering standpoint, it’s absolutely stunning and amazing. You’ve got to have an absolutely brilliant mind to come up with and understand some of these modern engines and mechanical marvels. From a practical standpoint, these new technologies wind up costing the consumer more money on the front end as vehicles become more expensive and the backend in terms of repairs, longevity/reliability. Long term, It winds up cancelling out any gains in fuel economy.
Couldn't have said it better myself. It comes down to cost, if GM is placing these everywhere (Traverse and Enclave are next), this could only mean one thing... it's dirt cheap for them to do so and may the consumer beware.
Going to do a write up on this soon. Everyone seems to be asleep at the wheel, especially politicans. If I had the money I would be hoarding older, clean, reliable vehicles that would last a lifetime. Cost per mile is going to go way up for everyone and politicians are behind it all.
I hear ya. The electric coolant pump is a bit disconcerting. Did they take the steps to do a brushless design? I doubt it. That being said I’ve had practice changing belt driven pumps on GM V8s. The standard weep hole leak failure. It’s not a difficult repair provided that you can get the f&@king fan nut to break free.
I love late 90's early 2000's vehicles for this exact reason. Just enough technology to be efficient enough without creating too many things to go wrong. The efficiency of modern engines is impressive, even if I have the right to repair some of these things i wouldn't want to
Remember when all you had to do was feed a horse grass and give it water? Pretty sure all these new internal combustion engines are going to be too complex and expensive for the average person. Oh wait....
Just to be aware the software updates have caused some issues where it gets stuck, restarts constantly to where it drains the battery. There’s already reports of people having to have the whole entertainment system replaced cause of this. It basically leaves you stranded since it’s an integrated system.
It is amazing how long it has taken the legacy OEMs to realize their control systems design needed to be a lot more robust at the top level. Too much embedded subsystem/CAN bus level thinking. I own 2 MY 1 MMEs, and it's only after over a year since launch that Ford is beginning to get its act together around OTAing updates to the car. Ford CEO Jim Farley publicly conceded they weren't prepared and hadn't hired enough sw guys. Combination of arrogance, NIH thinking, and Tesla making it look easy I guess. Whatever the cause it's definitely an engineering management failure.
@@MLHuntYeah, the OEMs seem to think software is easy and something they can just update later after they get the important stuff right. But the whole software stack is an important part now! It’s so aggravating knowing how much better it could be if management didn’t have blinders on
Even if they couldn't get the OTA to download and install, they still should be able to reprogram the dysfunctioning modules with a plug-in programming tool. When the only way you can figure to fix a software issue is to replace the misbehaving hardware, clearly something is broken in how you manage and deploy software. And when something you should be able to fix with a just a few tech labor hours can only be fixed by replacement of $1000s worth of hardware and many more technician labor hours, that's obviously really bad business-wise.
My Ford has that issue. Modern cars are rolling computers. I found some useful workarounds that make this quite manageable, but it is darn annoying to have to worry about it at all. My older (80’s and 90’s) vehicles only had that issue if you left your headlights on 😊
@MLHunt Why don't you think they can't reprogram using OBDII? Although if you worked an OEM or supplier you should know things like infotainment are usually too large file sizes to update over a CAN bus and they utilize USB updates. Dealers are always HW swap happy. Getting them to flash anything in service is unlikely.
@@evildrizzt1 True. Automotive engineer here. Anything normally aspriated is better. Lower tech = more longevity. New vehicles are designed to fail out of warranty.
This motor has been through 2 generations and has done extremely well in the full size. My friend has had 2 and currently on a 22 Trail boss and loves the 2. 7
Government Motors fighting repairs? Never! Worst carmaker out there, and that's saying a LOT when you're in competition with the likes of Dodge/Ram/Jeep/every other Stellantis sub-brand under the sun.
Do you equally bad mouth Ford, Ram, and Toyota for all their prior issues, recalls, and disputes with owners over warranty coverage? I've got a list as long as my leg to back up all the issues every brand has had.
Well done boys. I really appreciate the effort and consistency of your work. Because of channels like this one, we’re all much more knowledgeable with these products and I really feel like it helps to hold manufacturers more accountable to the products they’re releasing. Thank you
Would love to see a video like this with a rep from company more known for its engineering excellence. This guy offers some keen insights into GM, but I’ll probably never buy a GM product. I would love an engineering talk on the evolution of the Toyota hybrid drive or the Porsche 911 powerplants. Still, this video is close to the best thing on RU-vid. Great work.
It's great to hear from the engineers and their insights. That being the case, I'd certainly give it 2 years minimum on any new drive train. Although even still: my wife's 2019 civic 1.5 turbo was apparently the first year it was "fixed" after the 2016-2018 oil dilution issues. Well, now at 105,000 miles, she's at the point where she is getting light headed driving it from the gas fumes coming into the cabin. The dipstick smells like a gas can. Gonna change the oil one more time and dump it for a Toyota with no turbo and the dual injection. My N/A tacoma seems to be just fine....
@@user-3tf67bk46u We had a 1999 civic that went 300k with just routine maintenance (then sold it running fine). Then a 2001 civic that went 200k with just routine maintenance. Sold that 2001 (again, running fine) for a 2014 Impreza (we live in the snowy northeast) but had a lot of quality control issues, and figured we'd go back to that reliable Honda product we always enjoyed. The car itself is built well, and has no rattles or weird quality issues at 105k, but their drivetrain is no longer built for long term reliability. This car lives a best case scenario as well, as we always changed the oil at 5k even though I believe Honda requires it a 10k. It also drives for 45-minutes to work, then 45 minutes home, all highway. No short trips, so it stays at operating temperature for most of its life. It would be a good lease car I suppose...
Man I tell you what, your all's videos never cease to amaze me. So very fortunate to be able to gorge myself with the information you all give. Much appreciated, yet again.
I weirdly like it, the look of it, the engine, seems like an honest truck. If only it was priced like an honest truck, but there is no more honestly priced vehicles.
They grabbed us by the balls years ago with the lobbying that brought about the level of car centric it you appreciate every day on your morning commute.
I don't think they're particularly "overpriced" in relation to other consumer goods. Definitely artificially inflated but wages not keeping up is the biggest problem IMO.
I really do love how these truck look. The interior is amazing compared to previous years. But I don't think I can give up my 2.8L Duramax yet. The fuel mileage is just so good and I love everything about it. I will admit that I am having a hard time accepting a 4 cylinder gas engine in a truck (especially a 1/2 ton), but maybe someday I will change.
Same here I have the 2.8 bison. 2022. I just love the sound of a diesel over a gas. Now the new 23’s look great just wish GM would have kept the diesel option. Cause I’d be banging my down payment on their desk yelling take my money. But sadly they don’t so I’ll be working towards being a million mile club member.
I'm a recent, and huge, SG fan. This is a perfect example of why. I have no interest in trucks, and generally not in GM product. But the info you uncovered and presented really made me appreciate this truck, this engine, and the engineers behind both. Really top notch production. Great work Jack!!!
I have a 2022.5 Silverado with the 2.7 HO. I love it. Came from a 2018 5.3 Silverado before it. So far in comparing all of my documented fuel economy, I'm up over the 5.3. Per tank fill up MPG I consistently saw 17-18mpg in the spring/summer/fall and 14-15mpg winter with my 5.3. Long trips average MPG most was 20.9. With the 2.7 HO and the same driving styles as before I've not seen less than 17mpg in winter, and spring/summer/fall have been consistently 19-22mpg. Long trips I've been able to pull 23-25mpg for the trip. It tows better and it is as fast if not a hair faster than the 5.3 I had. I drove a 2023 Turbo Plus Colorado and it absolutely blew the 3.6 out of the water. Its the closest we will get to the 2.8 Duramax, minus the impressive MPG that got.
Thanks for the great real world statistics! Sounds like the 2.7 only gives marginal performance gains over the 5.3 at the cost of complexity. I don't think a 4 cylinder is going to cut it for me.
@@moabman6803 I would say above marginal. Towing is a better experience than the 5.3. It weighs less than an identical truck with a 5.3 and therefore feels every ounce as fast as one (perhaps a tenth or two faster?). Plus, no Dynamic Fuel Management lifters to have concerns over which, is still a thing but perhaps a little less common at the moment. 2020-2022 was a rough patch for the 5.3 and 6.2 and low mileage DFM lifter failures.
I do hope they fix the oil consumption issues. I had a 2022 Silverado 1500 with the 2.7 HO that I bought brand new. I always let it warm up before getting on it, only towed a 4k Lb uhaul 1200 miles, and generally treated it really nice. It used just over 1 quart of motor oil by 6500 miles. Halfway to my 15,000 mile oil change I had added a quart and near to the change itself had to add another quart. At the 22k oil change I had also added 2 quarts to keep it above low. I never beat on this truck, I kept the autostop off, and generally it was a highway queen. I put on 25k miles in one year of ownership and it burned through almost 5 quarts of oil in that time. It was a large part of why I traded it in. This is obviously anecdotal but I was highly disappointed in the engine.
I know you were going by the recommended oil change interval, but 15K interval change is way too much. You got rid of the truck but I keep my oil change intervals to 5-6K. Modern cars burn oil because the oil change intervals are too long. I had a brand E350 Benz wagon that was burning oil also, it was on 10K oil changes.
@@goforbroke2 I must have been unclear, I changed the oil the first time at 6969 miles (I only remember this one because it was a funny accident), then around 15k, lastly around 22k.
Makes me want a new Dakota with the 3.0 Hurricane engine. It would be the best mid size truck experience for 5,000 miles before all the factory recalls and quality defects permanently garage it at the dealer.
@@ettiennenathanit is but rent, mortgages, healthcare, and general inflation kinda forced our hand. Im just waiting for everyone whos buying cars at these prices to lose rediculous amounts of money on em when both the market crashes and the "tech" thats in em goes into a perpetual cycle of giving up the ghost
There definitely seems to be a lot of features that could be catastrophic if they're common failure points. Electric water pump, transmission fluid and oil warmed up by coolant which could mix fluids if they fail, Turbocharger wastegate which can leak and linkage which can loosen up, and DI carbon buildup. Time will tell.
I love almost everything about this truck. HOWEVER, it may be that I am hung like a field mouse, but I do struggle with the idea of having a 4cyl truck- especially at the ZR2 price point.
For me it's a question of reliability with the components around the engines in the long term. I've got a truck that's 28 years old and another that's 22. I wonder if these engines will be able to be kept so long.
@@Moonless6491They won’t. More profitable to the company that you have to buy another truck after warranty expires than to create a reliable one that lasts decades.
I see cost cutting. It’s a 4 cylinder because it’s cheaper and easier to fit in an engine bay. I don’t buy the piston diameter per horsepower explanation for a second. I’m thinking it’s a fairly safe bet that Ford’s 2.7 is a more expensive engine. Open deck blocks and high cylinder pressures usually don’t go together. But it’s cheaper for GM to manufacture. Why carry on with the 8 speed AT that doesn’t have a good reputation? It’s cheaper for GM. This engine is barely more efficient than the 5.3 V8. But it’s a cheaper for GM than developing a electric hybrid. If valve carbon buildup could be properly solved without adding traditional injectors, along with the direct injectors. Why are other manufacturers still adding additional injectors. I I’m saying I don’t believe the engineers claim that they have created a cheaper solution that works. I know that the timing gear was mentioned, but I’d like the engineer to strait up say “This engine will not break chain guides.” I do appreciate the choice of chains over belts. Especially over wet belts that some engineers think are just fine. I’d like to know. If you were more critical during your GM interview, would you risk losing access to these engineers for future questions?
The engine is least of my worries on this thing. Is cruise control standard on this $40k+ truck yet? Headlight controls still buried in-screen on a submenu? Did they fix the screen blackout issues? Economy car levels of quality for luxury car prices, gotta love what midsize trucks have become.
Uhh inflation has moved that luxury upstream. Before 20k used to be exotic car pricing. Think the dussenberg 20k, a great depression era car that cost 20k or roughly 10 houses. 20k now gets you a maverick, or the cheapest kia’s.
Depends on trim. Cruise control is standard on a ZR2. Its in a cheap option package for the less expensive trims. I know by your comment you watch TFL... that was honestly more a screw up Andre and his dealers' part. If they had realized when ordering it was just a cheap option they would have checked that box and you would have never thought about this at all. Likewise there isn't an "screen blackout issue." Yes, again, I know Andre's truck had that issue but this isn't some systemic problem.
I have a 2023 Canyon Elevation 2wd. The 2.7 4 cyl HO was one of my driving factors in buying this truck over the competition. After driving everything in its class I am very happy with my purchase/decision.
Once again, another excellent and informative review. Yes, it looks like Chevy ditched the interior trim that looked like it was designed and cast by playskool. The exterior is sharp, and the interior looks like a place you could spend a day driving and still feel comfortable.
While the engineer was taking about development of the engine, I could swear, it almost sounded like they were trying to make this engine so good, that it comes the next "LS Swap" or "K-Swap" of the next generation. I mean, the LS swap phenomenon has no doubt helped GM in sales of new cars, parts for old cars, and of course, crate engines themselves with the GM Performance branch. This engine will basically print money for them if it succeeds with people, and it's going to be to the enthusiast's benefit too!
I recently had a Silverado with this engine in it for about a week and I was absolutely blown away by how good it is. It really is a shame that they dropped the 6 foot bed in the Colorado, because that is going to force us into either a Silverado or a different brand. I don’t mind the Silverado, currently have one with the 5.3 L, but I really don’t need a full-size truck, just a 6 foot bed.
My dad just got the 2.7 in the Silverado and is really liking it. Good economy and tows his boat just fine. He had the 3.7 before and it had lots of dealer visits
We're going from a golden age of automotive performance to a future of big displacement, low rev turbo 4's & hybrids + EV's. Can't help but be glad I'll always be old enough to remember the days of 809348 Hellcat versions & rip snorting Focus RS's.
Just found your channel. Outstanding reviews and a cut above the breadth and depth that most other channels go into. Not full of pomp and filler, but you guys really hit the nuts and bolts that potential buyers should know when considering any of the vehicles you review. This video in particular, is the best and most comprehensive ZR2 review I’ve seen yet. Very much appreciated, gentlemen.
Nice to see you guys step into the truck world, as a lot of us North Americans own both cars & trucks. Just my opinion, but I think GM has hit a grand slam with this Colorado/Canyon offering. The powertrain, capability, & pricing seem to be spot-on with most modern truck buyers’ needs. I’d easily take a GMC Canyon over a Tacoma or Ranger; probably go for the Elevation package in the low $40s US.
Well, it's a truck. 🤷♂ It gets tax benefits for being bogusly declared a work vehicle even though the work vehicle is a specific different trim level.
Everybody says that like the lifters don't all fail constantly. I'll never really understand that attitude. N/A V8s have proven chronic issues but they get treated like they are rock solid.
I’m more interested to see the reliability in the tech and interior inside after 5+ years. It looks really nice brand new. GM really nailed the design, an other awesome video and great info on the new engine.
This is fast.. well - fast - the GEESE guys have been around for literal CENTURIES - turning out to be the most factual, comprehensive and technically informative - outlet/review all things automotive. Because - let's be honest. Who else is there (no, not the song by that Scandinavian band). Throttle House mostly hoon around and report their track times - and perceived "feelings" on the respective product - which is all great - and their production is mind-blowing - but they don't go as much into technical stuff, which is a shame - then there's another Canadian duo - the Straight Pipes - which have turned borderline unwatchable because of questionable (actually questionable) apparel choices - and when it's at that level - it really becomes kinda annoying - then there's the The Fast Lane/TFL Trucks and their channels - which don't achieve the same level of seriousness, somehow, as manifested by the GEESE guys, weirdly enough - and who else? Real large broadcaster/paid former TV channel outlets like Hagerty in US and TopGear in UK? Yeah, maybe - but again, neither of them have ever seen a car lift, it seems. So kuddos to both of the GEESE guys (jeez I just invented an awesome term) - both the OG one - and the immigrated one (I mean... added to the team - not immigrated from Taiwan as he claims) - thanks for the great car and truck content throughout the years - although I'll probably never buy a single car based on your reviews - I've watched 99.9% of the videos - and will keep doing so. Greetings from Latvia, keep up the work.
Appreciate the deep dives on the engines and stuff you guys do. Might be a long shot and I don't know if anyone there would be interested in helping you guys out, but it would be nice to see a send off type of video for the Challenger and Camaro with some of the people who helped design them, as they are sunsetting this year.
i'm old user of Taco's and Tundra's... and with all the problems that the new Tundra have (Rod knock and spun bearing), i really focusing my new purchace on this truck... and yep it's look good.
I am a broken record at this point, but cash-strapped Nissan could instantly jump to the top of almost everyone's mid size truck list by just installing the 5.6 v8 from the now-cancelled Titan into the Frontier. The truck will run a million years, will cost the company basically nothing, and will satisfy the actual market demands of shoppers in the segment.
@Arkeo36 honestly I don't know if is the Japanese division or the American division that are completely idiots! Also imagine a new xterra with the frontier looks and either tje v6 twin turbo or the v8!
@@tim3172 what I mean is, buyers want a truck with robust engine with more than power that will last and last and last. The colorado mpg is not great, so how could it be worse to go with a v8 that makes roughly the same power output under much less stress even if the mpg is the same?
@@Dowlphin the swirly air will help and if the PCV system is working well, there really shouldn't be a lot of oil vapor in the intake tract. If you had to clean the intake valves every 80-100K, you could probably live with that.
Did you watch the video? He said the PCV system is highly developed and that the way air enters the cylinders it helps clear off the valves. This was his explantion...I'm not saying I believe it.
@@TML34 The PCV system itself is not to minimize oil vapors in the intake tract but to get rid of them. But I assume the removal of the piston oil spray system could be related to reducing the presence of oil vapors in the system, hard to say. Valve cleaning service ... yeah, that would be expensive, removing the whole cylinder head, because I doubt you can do it purely chemically once the stuff has already burned itself into the valve surface. So you'd have to actually remove the valves. Furthermore, they say DI improves emissions, but the system, due to this issue, counteracts itself: From the moment you use the engine to the point where you decide it needs cleaning, the emissions situation deteriorates gradually.
I'm not a Chevy fan but I am rooting for this engine. I'd love to have a detuned overbuilt version as my last truck ever, I'm just waiting for someone to deliver a quality proven product.
27psi at low rpm in an open deck 4 cyl? Will be very curious to see how the rod bearings / piston sleeves tolerate that over time. Curious if they took some engineering from the duramax diesel engines and applied it to this.
Just hope they aren't using the rods and pistons from the 2.8 Duramax. Those things love to bend and crack when pushed hard. Will be interesting to see how this engine handles over time.
I think the unspoken cynical scheme is actually that because this is planned to be used in so many vehicles, they will have a ton of customer betatesting experience on their hands to improve the engine quickly if needed.
That alone says all I need to know about the engineering team… considering the truck just for the fact. I’m not sure what that says about me.😂 Glad I’m not the only one that noticed!
Great video. Great interview. Great explanation. Still, the question boils down to, if a truck buyer had all the money in the world, would they buy a truck with this engine or a 6.2 V8?
@@oOgy172 We have the B58 in a 440i. Not crazy about it’s complications and abundant use of plastic components. Given how long it has been already on the market, I expect aging related issues to surface soon. As long as one doesn’t work their own vehicles, no problem. But I do. Everything down to transmission overhaul. And all our vehicles are keepers. Hence I am looking for simpler designs, even if that means getting a bit less mpg.
Hard to take the engineer seriously when he's saying "it isn't the 80s anymore" as if engines, turbos, and electrical parts aren't still going bad in even 2010's and probably 2020's vehicles.
Huge shout out to Kevin Luchansky, really awesome deep dive into the engineering. This video pushed me to pick up a Radiant Red 24 Trailboss. It's absolutely stunning, and far exceeding my expectations... HO tune, remote start, and some other goodies are on the way. Go drive one!
Truly an exceptional review. I was on the fence between this & Taco, until Colorado was unveiled July '22. Slam dunk decision for me. Looks like GM knocked this out of the park. My ZR2 will be delivered this week.
I really want to hear Jack's opinion about how much effort went into/how good the upcoming Tacoma is once you guys have had your week with it. I have a feeling it's gonna be a big change if heart.
14:10 an electric water pump is actually a great accessory. It can vary the speed and flow of coolant through the engine and in conjunction with the temp gauge in the radiator provide quicker engine warmup in cold temps and better cooling in hot temps, especially in low RPM high load. Great change for GM imo.
@siddharthgoyal4008 yes,it will never break because only runs %100 of the time, light load or not! Knowing gm they cheapen out 30 cents and made the insides all plastic.
The truck in this video is the ZR2. I don’t understand why they advertise this truck when GM is not building them. There are none available at the dealers. You would have to order one, like I did , and hope it comes in , 6moths to 2 year wait. GM is in the business of building and selling cars. So why won’t they build them ???? It’s ridiculous. 😮 I stopped waiting and bought a 2023 ford lariat tremor. $51k OTD. Great truck. ! Has higher payload , tow capacity and better gas mileage than the ZR2. I’m getting 24-26 mpg on the highway 👍
Sick info on the engine, however for next review please answe a question that no one has answered yet. What's the difference in ride between standard suspension and ZR2?? Especially for a daily
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It seems a very well thought out engine, I have to say.
My first car was a 1968 Chevelle that I paid 800$ for. Since then I have had zero interest in Chevrolet offerings.... until now. This new colorado in TrailBoss trim for 40k seems reasonable-ish given the current market. Kudos to the team, I'll definitely be checking one out once they hit the lots.
I'm no engineer but saying they tried to keep it at 115 hp per liter because it is "super reliable" sounds unconvincing. You know what's also reliable? A bigger engine making the same power.
