The Army is replacing the Black Hawk with this? 

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Imagine someone stealing it, gives a whole new meaning to ‘stolen valor’

Little known fact is that Bell got the contract by putting Sig Sauer decals all over the airframe, which led to the Army to approving the contract out of force of habit.

I do love that the children had time to grow up, become officers, rank up, and finally get deployed before the thing actually flew. All I can say is ... "Iroquois 2.0 time?"

It should be noted that, in spite of the number fatalities during the development of the Osprey, from 1989 to 2006, a lot of the flaws were corrected and is now considered one of the safest aircraft in the USMC inventory and has since then had a lower mishap rate. Also, it costs on average, $9,000 per flight hour as compared to $20,000 per flight hour for the CH-53.

Funny thing, the Blackhawk was considered a Deathtrap in it's formative years too

My time to shine as an Osprey mechanic. You don’t have to be AS worried with the valor as the Osprey on its initial release. The Osprey was very much an experimental aircraft that wasn’t dealt with properly by both pilot training and maintenance practices. A lot of that has been solved. It isn’t perfect and things still happen but risk mitigation has done a lot for the Osprey.

I wonder if the Valor's "wings" fold into the fuselage to make the footprint smaller. The B-17 prototype also crashed on a test flight. It went on to become a legend.

The osprey had a rough start but has come a long way since it’s creation. So much so it’s currently one of the safest airframe currently flown by the military in terms of mishaps per 100000 flight hours. The black Hawk had more crashes in the past three years than the osprey has had in its total service life. The valor was built using the knowledge Boeing learned while designing and troubleshooting the first of its kind VTOL medium lift aircraft and improved upon it. That being said like any new airframe, including the Blackhawk, the valor is going to have a bumpy first few years until maintenance trend analysis can be completed and designs improved. Simply put the Blackhawk is outdated and wouldn’t be getting replaced unless it could sufficiently meet the army’s future needs. Not that it’s an inherently bad airframe, it just ain’t cutting it anymore.

As long as there is a PT Belt wrapped around it, with a co pilot eating a Philly cheese steak, and a gunner door that has no safety straps…..I’ll allow it.

Wait, so the owners of Sikorsky were in competition against themselves for the contract? Well played Lockheed Martin, well played

V-280 had a Higher speed, longer range, more familiar system, less issues with the technical demonstrator, the only thing the Defiant had going for it was it matched the "footprint" of the black hawk. It was said that the 3 prop transmission of the defiant was significantly more complex, harder to work on, and MORE prone to failure. I think they made the right choice.

1 of my close friends died in an osprey accident... they said the taliban hit it with an rpg.. later found out it had a mechanical failure

I remember that retired Marine General who called the Osprey "The most efficient Marine killing weapon ever developed."

As a Blackahwk mechanic they didn't have the beat reputation either at first. They were called Crash-hawk.

Im assuming this must be your first new airframe during your service. Back while I was in the first group of Osprey were just hitting the fleet down at New River, I was stationed at Cherry Point. Yes the Osprey had some serious issues when it was first released to us. Some were mechanical in nature while others were policy and human error / greed. We won't dive into the human facts as those people receive the paperwork they should have for the actions they did and the resulting consequences of those actions. Im certain however that bell learned a lot from the Osprey program as I can see significant changes to the airframe and its operation to feel that the V280 will be a suitable replacement for the Crashhawk (name that was given to the Blackhawk when I was in). Just as a quick for instance: The entire engine does not rotate as in the Osprey, the prop shaft that drives the blades is separate from the engine, this is what rotates upward. This reduces the wear on the hydraulic, fuel, oil lines and electric wire harness that go to the engine pods. Seemingly eliminating some of the crash causes that we experienced early on. During my enlistment the F-35 was still called the X-35 and it was in competition with the X-32. I don't not recall any weapons being released from either airframe during the flight test evaluation prior to airframe selection. In fact the F-35 we have today only resembles the X-35, several design changes were made to accommodate the weapons bay. Now that the flight test evaluation is completed whatever modifications that are needed to fit weapon systems X, Y and Z will be made to Valor and then the airframe will be field tested with these systems and placed in mock combat scenario . Does it seem odd to do aircraft selection this way, on the surface yes. What you have here is a bean counters selection method. They select the airframe based off the flight evaluation portion. Then they only have to weaponize, certify and test fire weapons from a single platform instead of multiple. Does this sometimes mean we get fielded the wrong, or less capable tool to do the job, probably. Of course if we go back to the X-32 and X-35, during that selection process, the X-32 that was displayed and evaluated would not have been the actual aircraft the Boeing would have fielded in the event they had won. The final version of the X-32 looked to be a much more capable airframe and probably would have been a serious threat to the F-35 today. Further back we can look at the YF-22 Raptor vs the YF-23 Black Widow ii, many people to this day swear that the selection team screwed up and that the YF-23 was a superior aircraft and that the F-22 was purely selected to keep Lockheed in a current and newer contract. Of course at the end of the day it worked out for Northrup as they just rolled out the B-21 Raider. An excellent, evolution of the stealth flying wing bomber. Personally I wouldn't get to worked up over the V-280 Valor. I think it will be a perfectly capable aircraft that will serve the Army and Possibly other branches well. I think that Bell learned a lot from the Osprey program and have applied what they have learnt. To create a tilt rotor platform that will perform the task that are presented to it and do them with confidence. To be honest I'd trust Bell and the V280 Valor long before id trust Lockheed Sikorsky with their X2 platform simply because Bell has the Osprey. It's already had its first generation issues and Bell has done well tackling them. Even Lockheed Sikorsky calls the X2 an experimental design meaning it still has that first generation of teething issues to iron out. I don't think I'd want to replace the majority of my fleet with a first generation experimental design when I have a second generation alternative. Just some thoughts on the subject of course I'm sure I'll see folks that disagree and that's their right and choice. This, however, is how I see it having watched a few aviation platforms come to life.

Yes, while the Osprey had its growing pains with several crashes and fatalities, the Blackhawk also had its growing pains, and actually had a HIGHER rate of accidental crashes and deaths. But nobody remembers those as the Blackhawk was a traditional helicopter.

Watching a soldier trying to do mental math really hit me in the feels 'cause that's what I and some of my coworkers are like at work.

Watching Angry do common core math was the highlight of my day

I worked with the osprey for years. I just hope the valor can actually hold hellfire missles and have some form of gun(s) on the front. The osprey only allows for a machine gun in the back. It technically could have a belly gun but it was never implemented. So, the osprey is very limited to transport aircraft. If this V280 can actually shoot things and fire missiles, i'll be impressed

The *concept* of tiltrotor aircraft is awesome...and the engineering magic worked to get the Osprey from concept to reality is impressive. From my extremely limited knowledge and exposure to Ospreys, it seems that they have issues that we don’t often see specifically with helicopters or airplanes. It's something about the hybridization of those two that presents unique challenges. Even with these advancements, the technology is in its infancy and we are still missing something (I don't know what, I'm not smart enough) to safely bridge the gap between rotary and fixed wing aircraft.

I remember the Army grounding the Blackhawks in the mid '80s because they were dropping out of the sky like WKRP turkeys. So I wouldn't expect any replacement to happen without similar "growing pains."

Having loaded Army helicopters into Air Force transport aircraft, my greatest curiosity is HOW will the tilt rotor fit in one?

I rode and did operations with ospreys with no issues... they're new replacement is cool and with knowledge learned from the past I'm hoping for a great innovative future.

Please keep up the good work! Your channel is consistently one of the best work on the Tube

People forget the nickname of the UH-60 in the 80s and 90s, the crash-hawk.

Ret Army 15T here. Blackhawks crashed a lot when they first came out too. Basically, the stabilator (horizontal "wing" in the back) had a tendency to drop and the helicopter would nose dive into the ground.. Not cool, but it was eventually fixed. I knew a Marine who worked on Ospreys and he loved them, but riding any new airframe is going to be risky.

your humor is perfect, from the mannerisms to the speech. Keep being you AC!

The amount of crashes per flight hour show the Osprey to be a very safe aircraft

I think we should sell the surplus blackhawks to the Russian guy we just traded for a basketball player instead of just giving them to the Taliban. Either that, or see what we can get for them at Makmhud's Military Menagerie

That promo was like a pharma ad. "Ask your doctor if Valor is right for you."

I wasn't expecting Bell to show up at E3 this year with the tech demo for the new heli. Maybe next year we'll get in game footage. hooah to that sir...

I love how he uses super technical terms to describe these high tech machines like, “super effing bad!!” 😂

They built and flew the Valor in a year, and was initially was built to show off Bell's ability to rapid prototype an airframe. They've been flying it a lot around Amarillo, and we see it quite a bit. The biggest thing that the Army was looking for when they started the replacement for the Blackhawk was speed. The Valor is twice as fast. The published speed is sandbagging.

I swear that video for the Valor looks like a toy commercial

Thanks for a great video. Scary stuff. Carry On Sir!

Ex-osprey mech now working in the H60. A large problem with the osprey is it’s size. That much weight on a fulcrum causes aircraft to vibe itself to death. The operational tempo also didn’t allow correct maintenance and a huge problem with incompetence of marine corps training of aviation mechanics caused a slew of problems. I think the small frame of the 280 will help but learning to fly it will be completely different from a Blackhawk and will sadly but naturally cause accidents

I'm old enough to remember when UH1 Huey's ruled and the UH60 Black Hawks were the problematic new thing. I'm somewhat biased and quite fond of helicopters that have smaller profiles and can sit down in small spaces. Not to mention, the way those old pilots could fly with such an acrobatic style.

Well they have been focused on reinforcing the joints from the wing to the propeller power plant. I believe these can carry heavier loads too.

Si, great content as always!

You forgot the real reason this is getting pushed through though. It’s because some army general is going to work for this company when he retires. Gotta keep that money flowing in troops be damned!

That missle rack dropping down reminded of Airwolf.

What's this new thing a flying saucer? Lol such sarcastic yet wholesome optimism.

I appreciate these types of videos so much. I"m not military, but was married to the Army for 7 years. I am 41. I totes remember 8008s on calulators lmao This video had me laughing until I had tears in my eyes and that is a thing that SHOULD NOT EXIST WHEN WE ARE TALKING ABOUT THE SAFETY OF OUR TROOPS!!!!!! HOOOOAH

The Blackhawk had a lot of crashes when it first entered service. We used to joke that if a microwave oven was pointed at one it would turn into a lawn dart. There were a lot of problems with the horizontal stabilator. There is a story of that same stabilator failing last year that caused a crash in the Sinai killing 7 soldiers. The military is a big force in pushing technology and things often go wrong in the first few years. Then the technology matures and they become mainstays just like the Blackhawk is today.

Army in the past: this state of the art technology is not good enough, we need better Army now: yeah, looks good enough to me

Exactly what it felt like when the UH-Bell was replaced with he black hawk

I was stationed at Camp Lejeune during the V22’s test phase. They were having a lot of issues. The Osprey Program quickly became known as The Lawn Dart Program.

People love the black hawks so ill just sit back laughing at the dumpster fire for that company

tilt rotary aircraft have come a long way since the Osprey, however, the Osprey had roughly the same crash percentage that the UH-60 did initially. The V-280 valor is significantly faster and holds 4-6 more people than a 60 can.

Omg that CGI was right up there with sharknado 😂🤣

Army R&D personnel from the 40s would probably cry if they saw the standards of today.

In 92, (yeah I'm old) we were calling them "crashhawks" a year before the Battle of Mogadishu. With the engine placement, arming this will have same issue as Osprey-no forward facing weapons, or at least very limited. Notice from the video the rocket pods were lined up with the propellers/rotors.

LMAO!!! WTF? Is that air wolf crossed with an osprey? Ahhh I swear I laughed so hard I got a stitch!!!

Oh my God! I am ashamed to be Aviation now knowing this is coming.

The osprey also has such a high downdraft that it was unusable on almost all the FOBs, they totally dust out everything causing a security hazard

We have lost an enormous amount of Blackhawks also look at the early years of the Blackhawk helicopter, and you will see that most people wanted to get rid of it and go back to the Huei. Yes, it’ll take some time to get the bugs worked out and unfortunately people will probably lose their lives while they do that but this is going to be a much tougher air frame that can carry more can fly farther and can fly faster.

Why does it look like a big ass VW 23-window with wings!!! LOL

8:18 lmao AC cracks me up so much ur vids r the best man

My cousin was one of the 19 marines who were killed in the Arizona crash. Ever since that happened we’ve hated the Osprey ever since and just watched as more marines got killed. It was unbelievable and horrifying.

The cgi rocket pod looks like it was influenced by the 80's show "airwolf" which the helicopter in the show was a modified Bell 222.

This was awesome man.

Your videos are awesome, thank you for your service sir

That wasn't a RoboCop module system, that was Airwolf

During my time in the Corps, I only crashed in a CH53, so by process of elimination, I'm all for more Ospreys 🤭

I rode on an osprey one time. when the propellers started to rotate, I thought I was going to die. cause it shook like a building dose during an earthquake.

My old boss was a firefighter in Maryland, very close to Pax River and they were always out trying to do SAR when the V-22s went in the water. They got shooed away by the Navy, but yeah, that happened, and it happened a lot. That thing is such a death trap it makes the H-53 look perfectly safe by comparison.

I saw a couple of Ospreys a few month back flying overhead, and I was flabbergasted! They looked like jalopies, that were going to fall out of the sky. I had never even heard of them before.

I love how the army keeps coming up with new and exciting ways to make me not want to join backup.

This excited me as an aviation Marine, because this means we’ll be getting black hawks. Our main helicopters are Huey’s, cobras and tigers😂

"huahh that sir" has that "copy that" game stop commercial energy.

Hey it's a Vertibird from Fallout guys. Timeline divergences and such also can't forget the recent nuclear fusion breakthrough aswell.

The funniest part about the program is the army was like, can we have a helicopter that goes 250 knots? And then the Marines come in and go, "CAN WE MAKE IT GO EVEN FASTER?" and requested that they would need it to go 330 knots

Theoretically, this is being chosen due to the focus on the Pacific. They want a troop transport and weapon support aircraft system that will provide greater range and speed. The Valor provides double the range and increased speed (I don't recall how much faster). So in theory, it meets the requirements of the war that the Pentagon believes we may be fighting next

I went to aircraft dispatcher school in 2001 down in Dallas. The students all stayed in a big house. We went to this one bar all the time across from the Bell Helicopter factory. A lot of engineers were always in there. When I talked to them, they all had been working on the problem of the Osprey flipping over killing Marines. I guess they solved it.

In regards to the osprey, I believe it needed like 22 manhours worth of maintenance per hour of logged flight time. Now rotary aircraft are known for needing a lot of tlc from the mechanics, but 22 manhours per hour of flight time is a lot, even for that. That being said I would expect those numbers to degrade even more as the airframe ages. Somehow I fear that does not combine well with the pressure in the field of having to keep it up and running even if parts and maintenance can't keep up. I'm curious if the Valor has done anything to address the complexities that made the osprey so much of a handful.

Ask the mechanics who are going to work on them what they think about them , they'll let you know how good or bad they are.

Marines: how do we stop crashing aircraft? Army Warrant Officrs: allow us to introduce ourselves

as a former 15T, i dont like either platform. the V-280 was a project that started in the early 90’s and it was FLAWED. Took Bell over 30yrs to get one to stay in the air. DefiantX was tossed together so damn fast with so many intricacies that it just wasn’t working. the rear facing turboprop’s clutch plagued the drivetrain. Although, the Alpha model Blackhawk had issues with cannon plugs receiving false inputs and the rear stab nose diving birds into the ground, it was easy to figure out. V280 still crashes after 30yrs of R&D

The one that lost only had 60 hours of flight time… And a crash…. So… There’s that… The 280 had 260 hours of flight time and zero crashes.

To be fair, the Blackhawk kinda had double the amount of fatalities within the same 30+ years the Osprey has been in service. So while it's kinda dark to call this "teething issues with new designs", that's kinda what it is.

I half expected you to say Sea Kings, but it looks like you weren't that lucky!

That's easy to say ...I can't even imagine how complicated the power trans is in this...from an engineering standpoint

So, if you turn the valor sideways, it is the same length from wing tip to wing tip as a black hawk from tip to tail, and then from tip to tell on the valor is the same distance as the rotors of the Blackhawk so technically it does fit in the same footprint. It just fits in it sideways.

Those kids were playing "Crash Simulator 3000". I remember a documentary from the History Channel (when it showed actual history) in which they called the program manager because one of the prototypes crashed. When he arrived, they told him that only 2 soldiers were injured, both with mild sprained ankles and the blackhawk suffered minimal damage. If there's a helo in which I would feel safer crashing, it would be a blackhawk. Like you said, not everything is statistics and numbers.

I was so scared flying in an osprey, my goodness. I had fluid leaking on me on a flight from Al Asad to TQ from the ceiling of the airframe. There was a reg Army guy sitting next to me, he was freaking out. I don’t understand replacing the Black Hawk, you’re adding more surface areas to get hit. The Black Hawk is sleek, smooth, agile. The 2 rotor option is better, it does look like the Russian KA-52, but since there is no tail rotor, the survivability goes up. It wasn’t an accident that the Somali’s were lobbing RPGs at tail rotors in 1993. They know what the outcome would be.

Wow I just reclassed to 15T too. I'm literally at 15T AIT in PA.

I was witness to the clutch slip on the v22 in Iraq in 2009. The damn thing wobbled into the air maybe 60 ft. In front of me. It was horrifying to witness. I thought it was going to come crashing down on top of me.

7:16 The face made when AC says, “Allow me to explain.” should absolutely be the next Angry Meme Revue homework template.

When ur on an exercise and they have a volunteer op with an Osprey ride. Lol can’t sham a shammer

YES I FOUND YOUR CHANNEL AGAIN LETS GO MANN

Sikorsky engineer here. Yeah I dunno man. We tried, really really hard to do our beloved Blackhawks (and all S-70s) justice. The only thing we can think of is the Army really liked the nice 300 knt and better range numbers Bell has.

There is a Marine unit that had to change their moniker from Widow Makers to something far less historic when they transitioned to the Osprey. The CGI air frame looks like the old T-37 Tweet from the 50-60s.

11:27 “I’m getting blue balls..” 😂 I’m dead, lol

Stop talking about it an be about it! Greatest statement ever!

When the Osprey crashes started hitting the news my dad told me if I was supposed to get in one to just punch the nearest officer since the brig would be safer lol.

Supposedly by making the engines stay horizontally fixed and just having only the propellers move up and down they were able to achieve a much higher degree of reliability and lowered maintenance. If you notice that is the major difference in the engine configuration from the Osprey to the Valor.

remember the Blackhawk crashed into the woods during its fly off with Bell and Sikorsky showed up and put new rotor blades on it a flew it out as is in a few days. thats was one of the many reasons it won

Hahaha, glad I'm not the only one who feels like they're going to burst a blood vessel when they read up on weapons acquisition projects.

The animation looks like its a cutscene of Red Alert 2 lmao