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The Army's Labor Union: Winchester 94s for the Loyal Legion of Loggers & Lumbermen 

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Today we have a rifle from a really neat forgotten corner of American military history. During World War One, the Pacific Northwest was the source of prime lumber, in particular Sitka Spruce that was ideal for aircraft production. The US military wanted that spruce for its own aircraft, and there was also massive demand form France and the UK for their production as well. As part of the American war effort, the Signal Corps (which oversaw military aviation) set about increasing spruce production severalfold.
The Corps sent a Colonel to investigate what would be necessary to do this, and he found that logging work was being significantly disrupted by labor union organizing, ranging from strikes to active sabotage. In response, the Army essentially created its own labor union, the Loyal Legion of Loggers and Lumbermen which both provided some of the labor reforms sought by groups like the IWW and also succeeded in massively increasing timber output for the war. The LLLL is a mostly-forgotten organization, and most of the documentation on it is from very left-wing organizations that paint it as a government attempt to quash labor rights. The reality appears to be far more nuanced, with several very legitimate reforms instituted in good faith. Unfortunately, the best reference on this period is completely out of print, "Soldiers and Spruce: Origins of the Loyal Legions of Loggers & Lumberman" by Harold Hyman (amzn.to/3lErrRC).
At any rate, part of the effort included the creation of the Spruce Production Division - 25,000 soldiers (mostly with backgrounds in logging and lumber) to Vancouver. They were seconded to private logging companies with Army-subsidized wages, but retained a military structure and officer corps. The Signal Corps purchased about 1,800 Winchester Model 1894 rifles in .30-30 caliber to arm a segment of the Division for security and military police type duties. Winchester 94s were in production and readily accessible, and the Division's mission did not justify giving them Enfield or Springfield rifles needed by troops in Europe. These Winchesters were marked with a "US" property stamp and flaming bomb, and had serial numbers between 835,000 and 853,000 (specific numbers are not known because Winchester's records form this period were destroyed). When the war ended, the guns (along with the Division's other equipment) were sold as surplus, and they are found to this day in the Northwest. Many are in poor condition from decades or hard use, and they can be difficult to identify (and are also faked...) but they are a really neat artifact of a long-forgotten part of World War One history.
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@robertscott2210
@robertscott2210 3 года назад
The Loyal Legion of Loggers and Lumbermen sounds like a Monty Python sketch, you can almost hear them breaking into a chorus of I'm a lumberjack and I'm OK.
@RtCarolina
@RtCarolina 3 года назад
He cuts down trees, he eats his lunch He goes to the lavatory On Wednesdays he goes shopping and has buttered scones for tea...
@JamesThomas-gg6il
@JamesThomas-gg6il 3 года назад
But are they the loggers that say nee?
@robertscott2210
@robertscott2210 3 года назад
@@JamesThomas-gg6il Did they cut down the mighty trees with a herring?
@JamesThomas-gg6il
@JamesThomas-gg6il 3 года назад
@@robertscott2210 dang I wish there was a way to type a heavy British accent! Lol
@ericgrumbles447
@ericgrumbles447 3 года назад
@@RtCarolina He cuts down trees, he skips and jumps He likes to press wild flowers..... He puts on women's clothing, and hangs around in bars....
@dscrappygolani7981
@dscrappygolani7981 3 года назад
Ramble on by all means. That's what we're here for. I have learnt more military history in the last couple of years of following this channel than I have in the past decade. One cannot find this stuff easily.
@gabekeeling8121
@gabekeeling8121 3 года назад
Gun Jesus shall ramble on. His disciples thank him.
@zs5636
@zs5636 3 года назад
Word is bond
@EVAASIVEOne
@EVAASIVEOne 3 года назад
Seriously, Id love 30 minute videos for everything if thats possible... because I can zone out to him talking and handling the firearms and itll feel like the videos over before I know it. Absolute King
@quentinhoover7418
@quentinhoover7418 3 года назад
Concur
@gabekeeling8121
@gabekeeling8121 3 года назад
@@EVAASIVEOne Gun Jesus thanks you for your kind words
@Kevin-mx1vi
@Kevin-mx1vi 3 года назад
The straight grain of Sitka spruce is also important because the wood isn't prone to warping - the last thing you need in an airframe. (Or guitar top !)
@flightlesschicken7769
@flightlesschicken7769 3 года назад
To my knowledge, warping has more to do with anisotropic expansion from moisture. I could be wrong though Edit: made it a bit clearer
@sandwichjones6995
@sandwichjones6995 3 года назад
@@flightlesschicken7769 i’m not the biggest expert on wood, but i believe the straight grain helps it resist warping by holding firm against woods with more curved grains
@gmodiscool14
@gmodiscool14 3 года назад
@@flightlesschicken7769 all i got from that was anisotropic filtering volumetric fog
@flightlesschicken7769
@flightlesschicken7769 3 года назад
@@gmodiscool14 lol The wood expands and contracts in different amounts in different directions with changes in humidity
@allangibson2408
@allangibson2408 3 года назад
Spruce also has the strongest strength to weight ratio of any wood. WW2 saw the supply run out so alternative timbers were found for wooden aircraft construction into the 1950’s. (Yes people built timber jet fighters).
@MobiuSphere
@MobiuSphere 3 года назад
My grandfather was born into one of the timber camps in Oregon around this time. He was a premature baby so they had to put him in the broiler pan of the oven to keep him warm since there was no incubator for him. He went on to serve with distinction in the Pacific during world War II with the Marine Corps. Learning a little bit more about what was going on in that area at that time it means a lot to me. Thank you for taking the time to share this history that just so happens to tie in with my own family's.
@Joshua_N-A
@Joshua_N-A 3 года назад
That's one tough baby. No wonder he's a marine.
@rockymcallister4258
@rockymcallister4258 3 года назад
My grandpa was born in a Czech logging camp in Washington. Served with the Army on New Guinea during WWII, they called him 'The Moose'. Makes me wonder if my great grandfather was part of the LLLL.
@modijo93
@modijo93 3 года назад
@@rockymcallister4258 My grandfather was also born into the logging world In Washington state and served in New Guinea in WW2, his grandfather worked for the railroad as a hunter for the logging camps and railways. Also wonder if he was part of the LLLL.
@mortisCZ
@mortisCZ 3 года назад
@@rockymcallister4258 Czech logging camp? Where can I learn more? I am Czech so this seems like an interesting part of our international history. Thank you for any hint.
@visassess8607
@visassess8607 Год назад
Wow, pretty amazing that he survived
@TheSlasherJunkie
@TheSlasherJunkie 3 года назад
8:54 When he says Vancouver, he’s actually not talking about the one in Canada. Vancouver Barracks is located in my hometown of Vancouver, WA. It shares a border with Portland, OR, and prior to the freeway there was a giant ferry that would provide transportation from Washington to Oregon and vice versa. Henry Weinhard beer was founded by the bootlegger that owned the ferry and would use it to smuggle illegal alcohol from Vancouver to Portland. Being a Freemason, he would store it in what’s now the Kenton Lodge located in what’s now North Portland. Kenton has a statue of Paul Bunyan across the street from a (now defunct) Strip Club. I think that’s neat. The Barracks themselves still exist as a Guard and Reserves base, although in WW1 through WW2 it was significantly larger and much of the land has been eaten up by schools and the Veteran’s hospital. Some of the old base housing is still intact and occupied to this day.
@svxr8dr
@svxr8dr 3 года назад
Hi from Hazel Dell
@KillerOrca
@KillerOrca 3 года назад
South Vancouver, rather than North Vancouver (in BC). Gonna have to ramble south one of these days and go see that statue. Sounds cool.
@TheSlasherJunkie
@TheSlasherJunkie 3 года назад
@@KillerOrca It’s okay, it’s right outside the gentrifying part of downtown- which admittedly is neither because it’s right where you enter the city.
@patrickseaman
@patrickseaman 3 года назад
Thanks, I wondered about that
@tarmaque
@tarmaque 3 года назад
@@KillerOrca We usually say "Vancouver USA."
@AdairTheSkull
@AdairTheSkull 3 года назад
Might have to do a supplement series called "Forgotten Legions" that talk about the interesting and defunct divisions like the LLLL. I found it very interesting to hear about. The ties to the firearms is the icing on the cake.
@andrewstraub131
@andrewstraub131 3 года назад
Sounds like more of a job for Karl
@mikekemp9877
@mikekemp9877 3 года назад
thinking of the audie murphy book and movie to hell and back they could have used the motto 4 Ls and hack! lol!
@andrewstraub131
@andrewstraub131 3 года назад
@Ivan Ivanoff oh man …
@okami36
@okami36 3 года назад
I'd watch that!
@imadequate3376
@imadequate3376 3 года назад
Mark Felton Productions covers a few like the "Circle C" cowboys that were in Europe immediately after WWII
@nickackerman7759
@nickackerman7759 3 года назад
Ian’s my favorite teacher ever. I would go back to school for whatever he’s teaching.
@soldat88hun
@soldat88hun 3 года назад
I suspect a lot more people would be paying attention if the subjects were actually interesting.
@dscrappygolani7981
@dscrappygolani7981 3 года назад
True. And Karl is a great coach. As fascinating as Mr McCollum is, he consciously tries to avoid going too deep. Because , political correctness, popularity ratings , whatever 🤷🏾‍♂️ take your pick. He is a friction free, smooth operator. But Karl, he is more of an analytical guy and if you pay attention , you sometimes get a glimpse of his genius. He's like a whetstone; he will grind out a real fine edge. So, he's more a details and specificities guy, while this gent here is a master of stagecraft in his own quirky way. I have recently subscribed to in range, and , man I have a lot of catching up to do. Well, I wrote a lot. Feel free not to read it.
@zz3690
@zz3690 3 года назад
@@dscrappygolani7981 excuse my ignorance, but who is Karl? I feel I've been missing out.
@dscrappygolani7981
@dscrappygolani7981 3 года назад
@@zz3690 McCollum's friend. Has a more varied palette. This guy.👇 ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-57suMVkhwsM.html
@shawnbraggs1951
@shawnbraggs1951 3 года назад
@@dscrappygolani7981 agreed, I've learned a ton from Ian and Karl. I just hope they still make videos together now that ian isn't involved with inrange.
@bazzathegreat3517
@bazzathegreat3517 3 года назад
Sitka spruce is also one the best/most popular woods for acoustic guitar tops. Probably gave the planes a nice resonance.
@edwalmsley1401
@edwalmsley1401 3 года назад
A materials ability to sustain vibration is probably pretty important in aircraft. So odd as it sounds you are quite correct
@calliecooke1817
@calliecooke1817 3 года назад
It's one of the densest conifers.
@yageletters5583
@yageletters5583 3 года назад
@@edwalmsley1401 I like my airplanes best with a spruce top and mahogany sides and back.
@rickv1007
@rickv1007 3 года назад
sailboat masts as well
@GemCityHippie
@GemCityHippie 3 года назад
It's also the wood that Steinway piano soundboards are made out of. For pretty much the same reasons. It has exceptionally nice acoustic properties.
@ThatHoserCanadian
@ThatHoserCanadian 3 года назад
I have a 1908 Winchester 94 in .30-30 that was my Great Great grandfathers. He sadly passed away in the early 20’s due to complication from being gassed on the front, and it was then passed onto my eldest Great Uncle who died in the Second World War with no wife or children, so the rifle was given to my Great Grandmother, then to my Grandpa, and then to me. The guns been in my family for over a hundred years now, and she is still in great condition for her age, and use her to hunt deer all the time.
@MrNicoJac
@MrNicoJac 3 года назад
Impressive! It must take a lot of love and maintenance to keep that gun in a hunting condition ^^
@bwhog
@bwhog 3 года назад
Family guns are the best!
@timothybullard5161
@timothybullard5161 3 года назад
No surprise of a working '94 of that age. Fantastic.
@jonathank7394
@jonathank7394 3 года назад
That's awesome!
@matthewdiehl1647
@matthewdiehl1647 3 года назад
Thats outstanding! What a treasure! Lucky dog!
@robertschalk9178
@robertschalk9178 3 года назад
I was so ingrossed in him talking about the LLLL i forgot about the gun :>
@VMEMotor5
@VMEMotor5 3 года назад
Same here.
@thomastheisman1751
@thomastheisman1751 3 года назад
Ditto
@Dorian-_-Gray
@Dorian-_-Gray 3 года назад
It was certainly interesting to learn about literal fascist organizing in the U.S. before WWII, as organizing "loyal" state-policy-oriented counter-unions was one of the key policies of Mussolini's Italy, and, after that, Hitler's Germany.
@lairdcummings9092
@lairdcummings9092 3 года назад
Those spruce trees are amazing. Cutting one down is a real project, it takes a lot of skill. When the trees get cold, the outside can freeze, and the sitka trees, especially, change their nature and behave like freekin' huge stalks of celery. They lose the elastic behavior and become shockingly brittle. Imagine cutting through a couple hundred tons tree when it suddenly snaps and kicks at you. Those troops? They were doing danger duty.
@Corvious
@Corvious 3 года назад
when it snaps and suddenly kicks at you… That’s one way of putting it. Another way would be: the base suddenly explodes launching the truck into the air along with several large shards of splinters everywhere and then the rest of the tree comes crashing down not necessarily where you intended it to fall crushing anything in its path.
@lairdcummings9092
@lairdcummings9092 3 года назад
@@Corvious well, yes.
@herosstratos
@herosstratos 3 года назад
These Sitka needles are like ... needles. They are piercing through almost everything.
@LazykidsWorld
@LazykidsWorld 3 года назад
So the true flechette rounds of the period... makes me wonder if any army thought about weaponizing these spruces...
@lairdcummings9092
@lairdcummings9092 3 года назад
@@LazykidsWorld not terribly mobile, I fear. If you could arrange for the enemy to bivouac in a grove in mid-winter, you'd have a horrifying weapon to use. Otherwise... Well, yeah.
@bluekestral8316
@bluekestral8316 3 года назад
As a woodworker I love learning the history of logging as a firearm enthusiast I love learning about the firearms. This video has everything
@elijahaitaok8624
@elijahaitaok8624 3 года назад
You ought to document what firearms keep your logging camp safe
@bluekestral8316
@bluekestral8316 3 года назад
@@elijahaitaok8624 lol I built tables and boxes. I grow tomatoes for a living
@keenanmcbreen7073
@keenanmcbreen7073 3 года назад
This is the essence of Forgotten Weapons, the history behind an obscure gun, why and how it became.
@foxmoth5477
@foxmoth5477 3 года назад
the FAA standard for aircraft structural wood is aircraft grade sitka spruce - for both type certified and experimental aircraft when wood is used for structural applications - wing spars and ribs and fuselage longerons and frames etc. - you can use specific types of douglas fir as a replacement - but it is slightly heavier but also slightly stronger too. look up the specifics for certified sitka spruce for aircraft use.
@mikebaggott7802
@mikebaggott7802 3 года назад
The C4 Trident missile used sitka spruce for the nose cone of the missile. This cone covered the third stage/equipment section. It was used for the strength to weight ratio.
@sqeeye3102
@sqeeye3102 3 года назад
I really love these relatively obscure historical tangents. Thank you for another fantastic video.
@TheSlasherJunkie
@TheSlasherJunkie 3 года назад
The Signal Corps was in charge of the fledgling Army Air Service because historically anything that flies had been used for surveillance and reconnaissance (look up Civil War Balloon Corps). The US wasn’t producing bombers, in fact the first blimp used in the US was as a flying aircraft carrier and even that wasn’t for another decade, so any pilots in US service were primarily reconnaissance photographers. The Intelligence Corps didn’t exist yet either, so as a weird carry over from the 19th century aircraft were property of the Signals Corps.
@DoIoannToKnow
@DoIoannToKnow 3 года назад
interesting, I was wondering about that. thanks for the context
@allangibson2408
@allangibson2408 3 года назад
In WW2 there were three army corps operating aircraft, the signal corps, the Army Air Corp and the Artillery (who had their own).
@seand3103
@seand3103 3 года назад
Aviation: Illegitimate son of the Signal Corps
@SteamCrane
@SteamCrane 3 года назад
The Signal Corps also handled photography and movies.
@MrJest2
@MrJest2 3 года назад
Fun fact: The Wright Brothers weren't developing their ICE-powered aircraft on a whim; they were specifically chasing an Army Signal Corps contract for such a device. One of the interesting bits of the requirements listing was that the airframe had to be broken down and transportable on a standard Army mule-drawn wagon. They wound up signing an initial contract for a certain number of Wright Fliers to fulfil the first stage of the contract process, and I have a copy of that contract in my collection - given to me by, of all people, my dentist who was an Air Force vet and avid aviation history buff.
@mikeblair2594
@mikeblair2594 3 года назад
My great grandfather was blown up during strike breaking activity during that era. When everyone walked off the job they went to their bunkhouses to get their stuff and when the cabins were full, company foremen who'd planted charges of dynamite in the morning set the charges off. My great grandfather lost a leg and half his face, but gained a wife with the Shoshone woman who'd saved his life. Family lore says that he shot the foreman who'd lit the charge and his wife scalped the bastard cause her brother had died in the explosion. My aunt still has a dryed and stretched scalp mounted and hanging on her wall so it sounds good to me.
@nmarbletoe8210
@nmarbletoe8210 3 года назад
holy tamales that is an amazing part of history!
@12vscience
@12vscience 3 года назад
That is a heck of a story. Although it is believable because it sound similar to the West Virginia coal mining union situation.
@bc30cal99
@bc30cal99 3 года назад
Very cool, thanks for the lesson. Up here in BC, we run across some Marlin 1936, Winchester 94 and 64 which will be marked with a broad arrow and PCMR - Pacific Coast Militia Rangers which were civilian's doing patrol of the wild areas watching for invasion during WWII. Thanks and stay well.
@e3s5m7stoner3
@e3s5m7stoner3 3 года назад
As someone who’s been around logging my entire life, and owns a Winchester 94. I must say this was one of the most interesting videos I’ve seen. Great job as always Ian!!!
@rustyshacklfort9508
@rustyshacklfort9508 3 года назад
As someone in the lumber industry and a ww1 history nerd this is wildly fascinating!
@MrNicoJac
@MrNicoJac 3 года назад
Did you like Indy Neidell's channel on it? It really opened my eyes :)
@rustyshacklfort9508
@rustyshacklfort9508 3 года назад
@@MrNicoJac did not know about that but I’ll be looking it up in a little bit
@MrNicoJac
@MrNicoJac 3 года назад
@@rustyshacklfort9508 Here's a great place to start :) ru-vid.com/group/PLB2vhKMBjSxMMg8xHeY2K-0ap9srI_zx7
@ronschramm9163
@ronschramm9163 3 года назад
My grandfather was a member of one the Spruce Sqaudrons from Wisconsin, and was enlisted in the US Army. He had been a lumberjack and farmer in his civilian life.
@mpetersen6
@mpetersen6 3 года назад
A lot of the forestry products used in the DeHaviland Mosquitos during WWII originated in Wisconsin forests.
@efs83dws
@efs83dws 3 года назад
My Dad was a timber faller. When I was young, we lived in Montana where my Dad had his own small saw mill. Then he was recruited by Fruit Growers Supply Company in Hilt, California. There he worked all over Southern Oregon and Northern California. He was known as “The Bull of the Woods” and was in demand for his ability to drop a tree on a dime. He had a Model 94. When he became ill, he sold the gun. I would have paid any and all his bills had I known his financial condition, but he would never ask for help.
@JordonVirtue
@JordonVirtue 3 года назад
"Produce more spruce" Smooth.
@DavidThomas-sv1tk
@DavidThomas-sv1tk 3 года назад
Out of 25,000 troops, surely some were named Bruce.
@JordonVirtue
@JordonVirtue 3 года назад
@@DavidThomas-sv1tk Get on the Spruce Moose, Bruce.
@jonminer9891
@jonminer9891 3 года назад
Hi, Ian. I think that Sitka Spruce is/was also used on top end acoustic guitars. Thanks for sharing! Stay Healthy!
@badwrench13
@badwrench13 3 года назад
Just an FYI, the IWW is the Industrial Workers of the World, not International.
@Dorian-_-Gray
@Dorian-_-Gray 3 года назад
...and another FYI: the state and military countering union organizing with "loyal" state-policy-oriented unions, all the while using enemies abroad as justification, also has a proper name: fascism. It was one of Mussolini's defining policies.
@kbjerke
@kbjerke 3 года назад
Looks *SO* much like my Grandad's 1906 vintage Model 94 that he carried in the RNWMP! Beautiful carbine!
@DiogoAlmeidaCosta
@DiogoAlmeidaCosta 3 года назад
Ian you really should consider a career on education. Your passion and talent to teach this more obscure historical facts is fascinating. You really are a natural educator. Cheers from Portugal
@walterriblethegreat
@walterriblethegreat 3 года назад
What do you think his career is in now? He's got a broader audience than any professor with 200k people attending lectures 6 days a week. I think he might technically be considered a "communicator", but so is Neil DeGrasse Tyson
@StromBugSlayer
@StromBugSlayer 3 года назад
I'm curious about whether he speaks from notes behind the camera, or just extemporaneously. Impressive, especially if there are no notes.
@12vscience
@12vscience 3 года назад
I prefer the way his educating at the moment. If he was a teacher in a school he may not have the freedom to teach what he wanted and his lectures may be "edited" from above to fit a narrative. I like the saying Mark Twain popularized: "Don't let your schooling interfere with your education."
@Liam1H
@Liam1H 3 года назад
This was just fascinating. Thanks Ian. Your knowledge, enthusiasm, and clear presentation make you one hell of a good teacher! Thanks for providing this insight into the war effort of that time.
@washguy5982
@washguy5982 3 года назад
This was a fantastic segment, more of “History Guy” content than “Forgotten Weapons” but fascinating, always a good thing when an old firearm can be the vehicle that expands your knowledge of American History
@DL-ij7tf
@DL-ij7tf 2 года назад
I have a degree in firearms and I love firearms and if you love firearms too, this is the channel for you.
@wisp666
@wisp666 3 года назад
Ramble away, Ian! Your stuff is fascinating, and the digressions are sometimes the best bits. 👍
@corneliusx1811
@corneliusx1811 3 года назад
My Grandfather and Great Uncle remembered the, "LLLL". Their purpose was Union Busting. The war was the excuse. Grandfather worked for CCL&T and Uncle Ole was also a lumberman in the 1890's through the 1960's when he retired. I can send you information about this era and specifically the Pacific Northwest Lumber industry during this timeframe which is supported by interviews with men of the time and documents in the Washington State Government Archives. You, Ian, are okay but it pisses me off to see the LLLL cloaked in a mantra of "Patriotism".
@markkover8040
@markkover8040 3 года назад
My father was a forester for the Northern Pacific/Burlington Northern Railroads. Grew up with many of the old time loggers visiting our homes. Learned a lot about what logging was like in the Pacific Northwest and the Northern Rockies from as far back as the 1920s. The corporations treated the loggers like crap until the unions got involved. Independent loggers who were paid by the amount of logs they brought in were called gypos. They had a whole other language to them. Tough as all get out. Dangerous work to this day. A number of my high school classmates have been killed logging. There's a memorial to those killed in St. Maries, Idaho.
@corneliusx1811
@corneliusx1811 3 года назад
@@markkover8040 Our backgrounds sound similar. Each day at the logging camp there would be a RR Flatcar with several dead bodies from guys getting killed on the job. My Grandfather ran the Donky Engines for Long Lead Logging. Have you been to the Morton Logger Jubilee? Cheers
@markkover8040
@markkover8040 3 года назад
@@corneliusx1811 No, never have. I now live in Virginia Beach VA. Long way from what I consider 'home.' As the saying goes, "You can take the boy out of the mountains, but you can't take the mountains out of the man.:
@theogeitondasamphilochos5630
Honestly I'm just fascinated by LLLL whether they're evil union busters or not cuz whole saga of old days sounds just so interesting of history where the industry exploited its workers like shit, the union arrived to help workers and then signal corps arrived to clear all of the mess... Do you know any good resources about the whole saga on internet? (Of course neutral and balanced ones... I agree that labelling the union as just annoyance is probably unfair considering how miserable lives of those poor workers really were but also I feel a bit unfair to call LLLL as evil union busters if they built rails which would be used by the industry as important infrastructures)
@pattrickrbkeller
@pattrickrbkeller 3 года назад
Shout out from Vancouver WA!!! Cool to see firearms history being intertwined with where I grew up!! Keep this stuff coming!
@bongobrandy6297
@bongobrandy6297 3 года назад
The Spruce must flow!
@tarmaque
@tarmaque 3 года назад
Some of us saw what you did there. 😜
@wk3818
@wk3818 3 года назад
One of these days I've got to finish the last 2.5 books. Ground to a halt in the middle of God Emperor
@Klaaism
@Klaaism 3 года назад
Hah, Oregon and the Pacific Northwest in general as Dune. That's hilarious. Plus the lumber industry situation of the time is approx parallel to the first book in so many ways.
@tarmaque
@tarmaque 2 года назад
@@Klaaism A better analogy for the Pacific Northwest forest industry in science fiction is Ursula K. LeGuin's _The Word for World is Forest._ She lived in Portland for decades and was a staunch environmentalist. Interestingly enough, Frank Herbert was also from the Pacific Northwest. He was born in Tacoma Washington and lived and worked in various places from Portland to Seattle, as well as living and working in California.
3 года назад
I would have no problem that each of your gun videos includes additional 15 minutes of history. You have great narrators voice and history is almost always very obscure but very interesting.
@mikethurman3147
@mikethurman3147 3 года назад
Ian doing firearms related biographies, etc. as the audio book narrarator would be something I'd buy.
@coreyblaisdell
@coreyblaisdell 3 года назад
I live in Oregon and in a local museum we have the largest wooden airplane ever constructed, called the "Spruce Goose". I saw it in-person on a Boy Scouts trip as a kid. It's crazy to think that you could make a functional plane almost entirely out of spruce wood with the technology of the time. It was piloted by Mr. Burns in an old Simpsons episode too.
@samiam619
@samiam619 3 года назад
It was piloted by Howard Hughes of Howard Hughes fame. I went through it in Long Beach, Ca.
@helipilotuh1
@helipilotuh1 3 года назад
Still one of the biggest planes ever built. You should check out the dehavilland mosquitoes of WWII. Pretty successful fighter that was made of wood.
@gregajohnson1985
@gregajohnson1985 3 года назад
some of the better arrows ive made, were made from Sitka Spruce. they tend to stay straighter than some of the other woods ive used, like Port Orford Cedar, and laminated Birch. considerably lighter weight too. i think they're also referred to as "Lodgepole Pine". possibly because of the size of the timber you could get out of them, and it's usefulness in building log cabin style buildings you would find at a trooper's lodge, or a boy scout camp, especially in the local area, surrounding the Pacific North West. awesome little piece of history, Ian.
@tonydiazist
@tonydiazist 3 года назад
7 minutes in and i totally forgot about the rifle. Love history (specially military history) so I appreciate it. Please continue doing these videos i think it's cool how you go on a tangent and the fascination in your face when you talk about history really makes the videos more entertaining and interesting.
@kirkmooneyham
@kirkmooneyham 3 года назад
There is actually an aircraft supply company that goes by the name "Aircraft Spruce". Of course, they sell a LOT more than just that these days, but they were started to sell aircraft-grade spruce for construction, repairs, and restorations.
@kamaeq
@kamaeq 3 года назад
Love the history lesson outside of the gun directly.
@genericnpc6379
@genericnpc6379 3 года назад
this brings a whole new light in the character Hollis Wood, the X-Masstree farmer, in "1941" it was a Spielburg movie, with Dan Akroid, and John Belushi.
@johnnyappleseed6415
@johnnyappleseed6415 3 года назад
This video is borderline Karl's domain because of the rich history. There is more history here than gun, not a bad thing.
@noahcount7132
@noahcount7132 3 года назад
News to me, and I grew up in the heart of that region. Thanks, Ian.
@thelonerider9693
@thelonerider9693 3 года назад
I find this fascinating. My Grandfather was in a unit stateside during the 'great war' called the '93rd spruce squadron'. Though the logo on his roster was a propeller and wings he was not involved with airplanes he was building a railroad in the pacific northwest. This explains why. (I never met him he died before I was born). Thank you for the history!
@scottydouglass1892
@scottydouglass1892 3 года назад
I paid $1200 to this old dude that had one. He was in his 80's and was just looking for a good home for a couple old Winchesters. Mine has more bluing still on it, the wood is about the same. Still shoots great, once a year or so on sunny days. Well until the boating accident that is.
@calliecooke1817
@calliecooke1817 3 года назад
Wow. You gave me much food for thought. I had heard of this, but always assumed that the Army was too heavy handed and the Wobblies were too darned socialist. Now I'm dying to find out just how well the Army improved working conditions in the woods, AND, how much the big lumber outfits benefitted from the abandoned infrastructure. I bet they got railroads, donkey engines, God knows what, for pennies on the dollar. I've owned a '94 since my teens. I would call it a saddle gun. It can handle anything smaller than an elk. The thing I like is, it's easy to top off. Shoot one, or two, or three rounds, only takes a second to fill back up.
@jimcrelm9478
@jimcrelm9478 3 года назад
Employer sets up a business union so that workers can go on killing each other, with airplanes in this case. Government grants concessions that it can revoke as soon as the bosses get the upper hand again. Stupid, stupid people decide they trust the government, and trust it forever. (Or until targeted political advertising and astroturfing advance to such a point that political discourse degenerates into meaningless tribalism and any organising efforts can be easily defeated by, I don't know, tactics like having the USPS install a ballot postbox directly under the company's own CCTV cameras, or having the city change the traffic light priorities so that traffic doesn't stop at the picket line - illustrating perfectly how the government is nothing but a tool for one class to suppress another class and defend its ill-gotten gains - or using its massive surplus capital to pay individuals to become class traitors, or literally employing Pinkertons like it'ss still the 1920s). Government helps bring in scabs, massacres its own citizens in the name of the right to own more than one can ever possibly use oneself, or turns a blind eye to private armies doing the same, because the government is not your friend and never will be. It's been going on ever since labor unions were decriminalised.
@calliecooke1817
@calliecooke1817 3 года назад
@@jimcrelm9478 Preaching to the choir, brother
@hancehanson4000
@hancehanson4000 3 года назад
Loved the history of this one, along with it's 'Legion' and even the background qualities of spruce itself... More multi-faceted stories like this one, Pleeease?!
@aaronlicker2648
@aaronlicker2648 3 года назад
Small note: it is called the "Industrial Workers of the World" not the "International Workers of the World". I should know, I'm a member.
@xkavarsmith9322
@xkavarsmith9322 3 года назад
They're called. Still active. :)
@zaggifier
@zaggifier 3 года назад
@@xkavarsmith9322 As Aaron Licker's comment isn't marked as "edited" by now, well past the time where you wrote that (also currently unedited) and they used the contraction "it's," any sense of that being past tense - i.e. the "it's" expanding to "it was," rather than "it is," is in your own head. You're castigating someone for your own supposition, not their action.
@davidbrennan660
@davidbrennan660 3 года назад
Splitters!
@xkavarsmith9322
@xkavarsmith9322 3 года назад
@@zaggifier As I should, because the IWW is still an active union, unlike the group Ian talked about. :)
@noahhutchens4523
@noahhutchens4523 3 года назад
Great video Ian. Just a couple things for me to add, I actually own a legitimate 1894 Spruce Gun serial number 838428. You didn’t mention that the gun can also be marked on the underside of the receiver below the serial number with a “J.C. ‘17” instead of the U.S. and flaming bomb. These indeed are extremely rare and often in poor condition such as mine. Still enjoyed your video. “Most have US and the Ordnance shell and flame stamped on the receiver but some do not. The ones that are not US marked should have "J.C.'17" stamped on the bottom of the receiver which probably stands for Captain James Van D. Crisp who was the Disbursing Officer for the Signal Corps at Vancouver Barracks. About half the guns have a walnut stock and the other half have gumwood stocks.”
@FloydBarker
@FloydBarker 3 года назад
Rambling is welcomed, Every time I tune in I learn something I never knew!
@MasterArkannor
@MasterArkannor 3 года назад
7:43 *looks down, remembers gun, remembers name of channel Me: noooOOOOOOOoooo! We JUST got him monologuing!
@das_gruuben
@das_gruuben 3 года назад
Little did I know that WWI was partly responsible for the loss of old growth forest in the PNW. Glad we at least have some more sustainable logging today. Edit: I never said that our forestry was fully sustainable, but replanting in rotating plots has done a lot to keep people from clearing more forest.
@HollisPresnell
@HollisPresnell 3 года назад
Sustainable logging doesn't exist in this era. They still clear cut, but they have to replace them with a monoculture of douglas firs in 2 years or less. Still extremely destructive and the forest is never recovered.
@demonprinces17
@demonprinces17 3 года назад
Not that sustainable
@ScottKenny1978
@ScottKenny1978 3 года назад
@@HollisPresnell not always clear cut, depends on the project bid. Sometimes it's a thinning cut, taking some % of the trees. Sometimes it's a seeding cut, where they leave maybe 1 tree in a hundred, or one tree in an acre.
@armchairwarlord
@armchairwarlord 3 года назад
Sustainable logging in the modern PNW consists of not logging anything in the name of muh environment and then having massive forest fires year after year while leftist politicians blame it on "global warming." Also: those forests that are getting burned down all the time were never at any point "old growth" and the ones that actually are "old growth" were already in national parks pre-WWI.
@das_gruuben
@das_gruuben 3 года назад
@@armchairwarlord So this comes from a gun-owning liberal and chainsaw-weilding treehugger. I'm a weirdo, I know. The way in western WA that they have approached "sustainability" is to replant areas and try to move slow enough to allow those areas to regrow. It doesn't resupply trees fast enough to meet demand, but it does a greater than zero amount to keep trees growing and keep from clearing new areas. Many of the areas that are currently falling to wildfires are doing so because of asshats flicking cigarette butts, not putting out their campfires, and in one unfortunate case in CA, fireworks from a fucking gender reveal party. After so long of putting out brush fires, you increase the amount of combustible material on the forest floor, thus creating the massive tinderbox fires we're experiencing that can actually burn the topsoil off of the ground. We now have firefighters using flamethrowers to clear situations like this While I'd like to stop trees being cut down willy-nilly, I also understand that it's a massive industry that supports many families. I'd like more people to recycle paper and cardboard, because that lessens our need for felling trees for bullshit paper products. If we did that, our lumber industry could produce more lumber. I'm kinda tired of 2x4s costing an arm and a leg. Aren't you?
@dominic6634
@dominic6634 3 года назад
Your videos are getting better and better
@lamnaa
@lamnaa 3 года назад
Much as I enjoy learning about how these firearms actually work, it's the history that really elevates Forgotten Weapons for me.
@donnyfrantic9180
@donnyfrantic9180 3 года назад
I learnt something of a niche of history that I wouldn't of heard of anywhere. Gun looks very tactile too.
@jamesallred460
@jamesallred460 3 года назад
Nice. Love waking up to forgotten weapons
@Caligari87
@Caligari87 3 года назад
New 10K Patreon tier: Ian comes to your house once a month and wakes you up with a 15-minute narration on an obscure historical gun.
@masahige2344
@masahige2344 3 года назад
This reminds me of how the Winchester 1894 was issued in the Pacific Northwest during WWII as well. The Pacific Coast Militia Rangers of British Columbia, my home province, were organized for defence against Japanese invasion. Among other weapons, they had '94s modified with spare Ross Mk. III sling swivels and P37 web slings. Great stuff, Ian!
@dorianleclair7390
@dorianleclair7390 3 года назад
I live in oregon and took two years of forestry. There are no more 20 foot diameter sitka spruce. It is a shame that war took all the old growth sitka spruce.
@tomtruesdale6901
@tomtruesdale6901 3 года назад
Learned something new today. Thank you Ian. Still kicking myself for selling my Mod 94 many years ago, dang good gun.
@richardgriffin3853
@richardgriffin3853 3 года назад
I love seeing all different Proof marks, very cool they are on a commercial rifle… and the LLLL sorry is really fascinating keep it up👍🏻
@therugburnz
@therugburnz 3 года назад
Sitka Spruce is also excellent for acoustic instruments. Instruments like violin, cello, guitar, are improved because of its straight grain, splinter resistance and light weight.
@therugburnz
@therugburnz 3 года назад
Like the first 3\4 of this video that is not about how the weapon functions, history is interesting and important for our young ones to learn. That is why I like this episode. I kids might be interested in weapons. They might be interested in Aircraft or the beginnings of the Air Force™, possibly only the cooperation of the countries involved during the conflicts that became WW1
@DrAnarchy69
@DrAnarchy69 3 года назад
I’m an IWW member and historian of the org (among other things). No surprise that the US Military hated on our org but TBH I was surprised that they didn’t actively try to kill the Wobs there. Elsewhere the policy was state sanctioned murder so this was an exception that proves the rule. Cool rifle BTW
@jacobwhitley1820
@jacobwhitley1820 3 года назад
There’s a good article archived on IWW dot org. It’s called “the IWW in the Lumber Industry” by James Rowan. For example: “ Chapter 7 - Victory, but not the Final Victory Shortly after the strike was transferred to the job, the government placed Colonel Disque, with headquarters in Portland, Oregon, in charge of spruce production. Although the production of spruce was little interfered with by the strike, the lumber companies purposely held it back, to discredit the strikers and make it appear that they were striking against the government, and to force it to aid in breaking the strike. With the purpose of breaking up and displacing the LWIU, Colonel Disque started the Loyal Legion of Loggers and Lumbermen. Recent investigations of its activities show that to the lumbermen the 4-L's meant Little Loyalty and Large Loot. Army officers, adept in terrorism, with no gentlemanly scruples to hold them from any nefarious design, acted as organizers. Frequently they visited the camps, and all who refused to join the LLLL were accused of being spies, pro-Germans and traitors, and were usually fired oft' the job and beaten by soldiers. In one case, a man who had the temerity to speak against the LLLL was found dead next morning, hanging from the limb of a tree.”
@megapangolin1093
@megapangolin1093 3 года назад
A complete history and forestry lesson in one. An unusual turn for Ian. Well done.
@Jamez84
@Jamez84 3 года назад
I have an 1894, my Father found it laying in a river bed while hunting with his nephew in the 50s. The gun was passed onto me when he died in 2005. Its an octagonal barrel model, serial #254735. I love this gun it still fires even today, I'd love to see a video about how to keep these old guns in good condition. I literally do NOTHING out of fear it will remove the patina and devalue the weapon.
@MultiMcgruber
@MultiMcgruber 3 года назад
A light coat of ballistol, applied with a cloth will do well for preserving the exterior.
@georgesakellaropoulos8162
@georgesakellaropoulos8162 3 года назад
@@MultiMcgruber Probably won't hurt to run a ballistol soaked patch down the bore, also.
@SlavicCelery
@SlavicCelery 3 года назад
Mark Novak has quite a few words to say about patina.
@TeamZcan
@TeamZcan 3 года назад
Your Model 94 was built in 1902. Hope you pass it on as well. Fine old rifles.
@Jamez84
@Jamez84 3 года назад
@@TeamZcan Nah man it was Built in 94 it has the manufacturing date on it.
@KEHT92
@KEHT92 3 года назад
So much knowledge for free. Gods praise this guy.
@mattandrews8528
@mattandrews8528 3 года назад
Just imagine if we would have used lever actions as the main WW1 infantry rifle vs a bolt action. And instead of focusing on using bolt actions used the lever action tooling in place and then put a lot of effort in to a semi auto main infantry rifle.
@LN997-i8x
@LN997-i8x 3 года назад
I can't say I'd want to deal with any of the contemporary lever actions in a martial setting, especially not a muddy one like The Great War.
@mattandrews8528
@mattandrews8528 3 года назад
@@LN997-i8x I don’t think many wanted to deal with a bolt action either once the German stormtroopers came in with full auto drum mag fed pistols that had a stock lol. What I’m saying is we should’ve already had a semi auto rifle in place then, if we would’ve made lever actions for extra guns since we had the production capacity in place while then trying to push out more BAR’s and other full auto/semi auto weapons we might’ve been better off. Lever actions are exclusively an American design and it would’ve been dope to see some .45-70 rounds get sent across no man’s land I think. Even a .30-30 would’ve been a decent round then.
@mattandrews8528
@mattandrews8528 3 года назад
@@0neDoomedSpaceMarine Yeah that is true, Germany f*cked up not fielding a 12ga in the trenches like we did with THE trench gun. It dominated so much that it was named “the trench gun”. And that’s impressive, I think I’d rather have a shotgun in a trench as well.
@Grimmtoof
@Grimmtoof 3 года назад
@@mattandrews8528 Not really, the ammo for shotguns in WW1 was paper which offten got wet and jamed the gun after only a few shots.
@StromBugSlayer
@StromBugSlayer 3 года назад
C&Rsenal address this questions specifically in their videos on the Russian Winchesters. Give it a look.
@johnqpublic2718
@johnqpublic2718 3 года назад
As a 15-year RU-vid user, can I just say that Ian is a National Treasure, much less one of my favorites on the platform!?
@blip_bloop
@blip_bloop 3 года назад
11:20 "Lost in the wood work." har har I see what you did there!
@MissingTheMark
@MissingTheMark 3 года назад
I found the spruce production history fascinating. Thank you.
@fellowworker4544
@fellowworker4544 3 года назад
Hello Ian! This was a very interesting video! I have one minor nit-pick, at around 3:40 you call the I.W.W. the "International" Workers of the World. We're actually the Industrial Workers of the World. "International" would be a little redundant, although people call us that all the time. Really interesting to learn more about this history though!
@TrungNguyen-du9cn
@TrungNguyen-du9cn 3 года назад
Guns and spruce. Interesting video. Thank you Ian.
@alexguymon7117
@alexguymon7117 3 года назад
As a PNW native, I'm surprised I never heard of this tale or this rifle.
@echoart9275
@echoart9275 3 года назад
Judging by your icon, your fellow travelers probably consider loggers and their unions evil ciswhite dudebros. It's no wonder you don't hear about them.
@alexguymon7117
@alexguymon7117 3 года назад
@@echoart9275 the exact opposite actually. The PNW has a long history of successful labor organizations succeeding through direct action and mutual aid, including loggers, and many more attempts as well. The 1919 general strike in Seattle comes to mind.
@echoart9275
@echoart9275 3 года назад
@@alexguymon7117 and then you stabbed them in the back and destroyed their jobs.
@alexguymon7117
@alexguymon7117 3 года назад
@@echoart9275 wdym? Logging is still a major industry here. The shift towards high tech manufacturing and shipping wasn't some sort of conspiracy to destroy logging. Logging just isn't as profitable as it used to be and for a long time it wasnt being done sustainably, which is why it has been reduced in overall importance. Same thing with coal in Appalachia. Has the transition been perfect? No. Have people lost their jobs? Yes. But it's not like there isn't forestry jobs or other industries that can use their expertise. If you wanna blame anyone, blame the logging companies for abandoning their employees, or the guys in DC for not setting competitive tariffs to protect timber from cheap Chinese imports.
@nilo70
@nilo70 3 года назад
Thank you for making this happen
@robbiemer8178
@robbiemer8178 3 года назад
Frankly, for this particular rifle, the "rambling" is more interesting to me. A more in depth video about the brief history and story of that area and that Signal Corp unit would be worth a video I think. Thank you for also talking about the fact that this is a fairly nuanced story--something worth reminding people of. As usual, another excellent video, Ian. Thank you!
@charlesperry1051
@charlesperry1051 3 года назад
Fascinating history that I had never heard of.
@keithallardice6139
@keithallardice6139 3 года назад
Fascinating!! I'm pretty much always fascinated by your videos anyway Ian, but this one was absolutely riveting - as a fan of firearms, history, WW1 history, wood, woodworking and the Pacific North West I think you ticked every one of my boxes lol Now I have a new subject to delve into ... happy days! Truly, the followers of Gun Jesus are blessed - he lights up their lives in many, unexpected, ways! Thanks for sharing, stay safe and take care!
@7curiogeo
@7curiogeo 3 года назад
I had heard of these, but never knew what they were or the story of them. Thank you.
@kfeltenberger
@kfeltenberger 3 года назад
This is why I love this channel! I would love to see a collaboration with The History Guy...
@jean-lucpicard3012
@jean-lucpicard3012 3 года назад
I'd like to see them compare hats
@charliedontsurf4543
@charliedontsurf4543 3 года назад
Spot on
@shawnr771
@shawnr771 3 года назад
Yes. Would be an interesting collaboration.
@jedgarsquink
@jedgarsquink 3 года назад
One reason Sitka spruce is good for both aircraft and musical instrument tops, in addition to straight grain and long fibers, is that it contains air, like balsa. Balsa is really low density but also has very low strength and hardness. Spruce has low strength and stiffness compared to most other woods, but it's light and much stronger than balsa. Its low density and its resilience make it a good choice when you can provide enough sectional depth. The air also largely accounts for it being so acoustically "live".
@RaccKing21
@RaccKing21 3 года назад
I believe Sitka spruce is also used for arrows. When I was buying my first bow and arrows, the main choices for wood arrows were Port Orford cedar and Sitka spruce.
@allangibson2408
@allangibson2408 3 года назад
Carbon Fibre has largely replaced these.
@RaccKing21
@RaccKing21 3 года назад
@@allangibson2408 In the main archery sport, yes, but people still do traditional archery. I bought wooden arrows because I prefer the old timey feel and smell of wood arrows. Carbon fiber is great and all, but wood still has a certain charm. I got Port Orford cedar arrows, and they literally smell like ginger candy. You'd have to like, spritz your carbon arrows with perfume or something to get that.
@allangibson2408
@allangibson2408 3 года назад
@@RaccKing21 Simply buying spruce is getting hard…
@charlescopeland3954
@charlescopeland3954 3 года назад
Interesting video as always, but a quick correction- the IWW is *Industrial* Workers of the World, not "International".
@FloydBunsen
@FloydBunsen 3 года назад
3:40 *Industrial* workers of the world. International workers of the world is a common mistake.
@loupiscanis9449
@loupiscanis9449 3 года назад
Thank you , Ian
@tedgalacci8428
@tedgalacci8428 3 года назад
The wear and tear on that rifle makes it even more valuable in my eyes. It didn't sit in a rack. People carried it around and knocked it about. It connects us to them.
@djowen5192
@djowen5192 3 года назад
Sitka makes extraordinarily good boat masts.
@davedave9552
@davedave9552 3 года назад
One of PUBG’s most overlooked weapons, the Win94
@MultiRokusho
@MultiRokusho 3 года назад
I bought a Winchester 1894 in 30-30 last year for 279. Glad I bought ammo right then and there because I can’t find it anywhere now.
@petesheppard1709
@petesheppard1709 3 года назад
Knowledge bomb shrapnel: I immediately assumed the IWW was associated with the Communist party, but did a quick search and saw their resolution rejecting Communist ideology. ALSO: Finally, evidence of a government program that was terminated when its mission was accomplished!
@klarstrup
@klarstrup 3 года назад
Syndicalists and Anarchists like those of the IWW would eventually become victims of the HUAC and then Mccarthyism just the same as actual comintern associates, good excuse to disorganize labor
@MAXIMILLIONtheGREAT
@MAXIMILLIONtheGREAT 3 года назад
rejecting communist ideology: "Nah, people don't have rights"
@zchris13
@zchris13 3 года назад
Another comment calls out that the IWW was the Industrial, not the International, which makes them sound a whole lot less like communists.
@Calvin_Coolage
@Calvin_Coolage 3 года назад
@@zchris13 That's more becausd calling yourselves International when your union has the phrase 'of the World' in it is kinda redundant. It also implies they're a union for all workers and not just industrial workers.
@jacobwhitley1820
@jacobwhitley1820 3 года назад
@@Calvin_Coolage the IWW *is* for all workers. The “industrial” in the name refers to the form of organization we support. It’s saying we organize ourselves around which industry we work in rather than by craft. It’s the same as the difference between how the AFL organizes vs how the CIO organizes.
@johncashwell1024
@johncashwell1024 3 года назад
Well done Ian!
@glypnir
@glypnir 3 года назад
I’ve never heard of this piece of history before. From a labor rights point of view, it’s not great. I’ll note that while sabotage and spiking trees are potentially lethal, 1200 Winchester armed men under military discipline, while customary for labor relations at the time, are probably more lethal. I wonder if you could do a video on the weapons use in the Homestead strike. The strikers, the Pinkertons and the PA militia all had there weapons. There are even reports of a 20 pound brass cannon. It also made me think of a non gun related issue in Britain in WWII. About 30k young conscripts were assigned to work as miners. They were just conscripted, not volunteers, and some of them were kept working until 1948. They were called Bevin’s Boys. There’s actually a lumber connection too. One of the cargoes shipped to Britain in WWII was pit braces - boards used to prop up mines (pits in British English). Torpedoed ships full of pit braces didn’t sink fast, but it was hard to rescue the crews because floating boards were a real obstacle to navigation. But no rifles were involved in the British action. Neither the Army nor the civilians had any rifles, at least by US standards.
@CustomChallenge
@CustomChallenge 3 года назад
I have one of these! (Winchester model 1894) I inherited it from my grandfather. Mine has an octagon barrel. He would always tell me about how he worked picking potatoes to be able to buy his for $25.
@mattfleming86
@mattfleming86 3 года назад
Holy crap I love stories like these. That is a cool gun with a wild history. Fantastic episode.
@felixcat9318
@felixcat9318 2 года назад
This is utterly fascinating history!
@joeyc818
@joeyc818 3 года назад
I was so interested in the story you were telling i forgot there was a rifle sitting in front of you 😁
@baileymartin2092
@baileymartin2092 3 года назад
I enjoyed your knowledge of the history almost as much as the gun
@randymagnum143
@randymagnum143 3 года назад
The esteemed gentlemen of the iww called US servicemen "Uncle Sam's scabs"
@jacobwhitley1820
@jacobwhitley1820 3 года назад
Fitting
@andyduong5587
@andyduong5587 3 года назад
Well this was a pleasant surprise. The lumber bit was fascinating, I work lumber retail and I'm currently sitting here listening to this while on lunch 😅
@KyriosMirage
@KyriosMirage 3 года назад
That was really cool! I love that you get into the logistics side of things on a regular basis!
@bushmansa518
@bushmansa518 3 года назад
This was interesting and you spruced things up with the great story 👍
@brucefrohn9834
@brucefrohn9834 3 года назад
The 1918 spruce mill was located on present day Pearson airfield, in Vancouver, Washington (just north of the Columbia river). The spruce mill is long gone, but the restored old Army barracks & Officers row (old mansions) still remain. It should be noted, that this is the original Vancouver (1825), before the British moved north of the 49th parallel (1886) to present day Vancouver BC, Canada.
@orphanlush
@orphanlush 3 года назад
Scab gotten weapon.
@jacobwhitley1820
@jacobwhitley1820 3 года назад
Yuuuuuuup
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