Ricciardo 2016 too! If you watch his pole lap you'd think he'll crash but he didn't. His whole lap had so many turns where he was inches away from the side of the wall..
@@alessiogiovannoli1913 Also important to remember that the Monaco GP is driven on a track surface that is, for the majority of the year, used as public roads. You can see an obvious difference with regards to the quality of the road surface between different years, especially after repavement. On top of that, there has been alterations to the layout of the track, which probably includes many subtle ones that would be very difficult to spot!
What's definitely not "Sublime stuff"; is hearing the engine noise of a proper racecar, gradually deteriorating into something that sounds more like a lawnmower than an F1 car...
Of all the corners of all the tracks you've picked one of the best places to see the evolution of Formula 1 cars over the years with the high speed direction changes with precision. Awesome video
That's because the camera is basically stationary, which gives you a lot of context in how the cars actually move in space I get that moving cameras make it easier to follow the action, but I wish there were more stationary shots in motorsport
Qualifying times may be different, but the fastest lap in 2004 is a 1:14 and the fastest lap in 2019 was a 1:14 too, not much of a difference, the track is also slightly shorter today. If you want to see a speed difference check the 2003 Monza GP Vs the 2023 Monza GP, fastest lap of 2003 1:21 Michael Schumacher, fastest lap 2023 1:25 Gasly.
They weren't sublime, they were slow. It may look "flashy" but F1 cars aren't designed to go sideways. It's not rally! It may have worked out in the 80s and earlier when they had very little downforce but in the more modern era it is just shows the driver lacks control and speed.
@@123manny321 You try doing it then if it's so easy, to be able to get a fairly modern aerodynamic car and control a slide when you're right on the edge of speed is nothing short of sensational in my view.
@@Ghost_Lap tf are you talking about? All I said is it wasn't sublime, it was slow. The sublime line is the railed line, not the sliding one. Just goes to show how much you don't know. You're one of those "it looks flashy so it must be good" kinda person.
@@123manny321 And of course you know it all right? You've actually driven one of those things at the highest level of competition right? No, we're both just arm chair experts, it's just that I can recognize something amazing when I see it.
@@Ghost_Lap I mean it does look cool no arguments but the guy is right, less sliding = more speed, Kubica and Kimi were probably the quickest by far in those clips.
The only thing I have against the sound thing is that it only serves to entertain. No F1 team is going to go backwards in engine tech just to achieve a certain sound. It's just not ethical
@@jacobhanekamp2534 it's not about tech, it's about regulations forcing teams to use smaller, slower revving engines. In 2014 they changed it from 2.4L 19,000 RPM to 1.6L 15,000 RPM. They also allowed turbochargers, which change the sound too.
Dam, I really miss those V10s, and V8s too. That sound, the small cars, the visually light weight nature of them dancing around. I wish we could bring them back.
It's just not ethical, it's a massive step back for a sport all about innovation and discovering new technology. No team is going to go backwards and sacrifice seconds a lap for a sound.
@@jacobhanekamp2534 to be fair with some modern aero and slicks and what not the older cars would be quicker. The power to weight ratio plus just weight for cornering would give them a good advantage. The old R25 was pretty close to pace back when Alonso drove in 2020.
@@jacobhanekamp2534 its not about the sound its part of the show. You want to go watch a car race and you want to see and hear the race show. ignoring sound its like ignoring an important aspect that gives that wow factor F1 always had
@@Drewbyy but there's still safety equipment and more reasons about the old engines are just not that good (reliability: they would disintegrate after 3 races), so the cars would be heavier nonetheless
Presumably (without looking in to it), it's some of the AI upscaled stuff Cause the original would have been like DVD quality back then (640x480 ?) But someone spent very many hours upscaling it to ~1080p, which is pretty neat
@@Stevo_1998 From 2003 the F1 broadcast was in 1080i, whether individual TV channels could broadcast it or not was another story, but that was the highest resolution Bernie made available. I don't know exactly when it went from 1080i to 1080p (some time around 2008-10) and it went up to 2160p (4k) for 2017.
@@fix0the0spade fr fr? Cause someone sent me a clip from F1 TV Pro or whatever (it was something they captured) from ~2004 iirc and it looked like standard broadcast quality (aka, DVD lol) Unless F1TV just doesn't show old races at the 1080i quality some channels got, then idk lol
@@Stevo_1998 well theres an entire process, first of all starting with what you filmed the footage on, in 2004 a 480p camera, would've been completely normal, a 720p would've been extremely high end, and only found by bigger broadcasting companies and w.e, and then 1080p which at the time would've been considered revolutionary, and at this point, still experimental, considering stable 1080p resolution wasn't until around 2009. then after that processing of said video, which depending on the software, can greatly hamper the image, after that, the process of sending it out around the world, which in 2004 would've been done through cable, which if you're too young to remember, cable was horrible, not as bad as antennas, but cable had its fair share of moments, usually the second it started to rain, you were out for the next 3 hours.
The TV doesn't do these machines justice. When you see them live on track it's unbelievable how quick they corner and how late they brake. The skill level it takes to drive these F1 cars is frightening.
I still don't get the appeal of those extremely high reving sounds I mean, I guess compared to current cars they sound more impressive, but as far as engine sounds go, they're far far from my favourite
@@sanny8716 I guess it's different folks different strokes but those V10 and V12s are what got me hooked to F1. It sounds so mean like a racecar should! In my opinion anyway.
@@DillandShaj See, that's what I mean. I don't really understand how people can perceive it as mean or aggressive. A lot of people describe it as "roar" but to me it just sounds like very loud mosquitoes. Compare to something like a Mazda 787B or Group B cars, now that's some angry sounding race cars.
@@sanny8716 Yeah those cars sound epic! Maybe it's just how people perceive it. I loved the downshifts of F1 cars when they had the double diffuser as well.
@@DillandShaj Yeah, I don't know, maybe it's just me. It is a nostalgic sound, I remember seeing F1 races on TV as a kid, back when the name Schumacher was synonymous with a quick racing driver. Maybe I'm too used to the sound to hear it as something extraordinary?
I know the cars have gotten wider over the years, but this video does a really good job of showing it. Especially how nimble the early 2000's cars were
yeah it's due to regulation changes, early it was about making street narrow cars, but there was the dirty air issue that they tried to solve with making the cars wider to have more contact with the air coming from behind another car (it made the problem worse), but then they reached the current cars that are supposed to give clean air to the other for more competition. The size is probably heritage of the past regulations but we have to take in consideration the safety equipment, because the cars are heavy because of them too
For me it's one of the few images that give a real speed sensation in F1, seen from television: the linked pool corners in Monaco. It's the problem that circuits have, not only in F1, in any competition that is held on tracks. Which is problem that I see in the circuits? For obvious safety reasons, traced cannot have obstacles near the track, which is what visually tells you how fast they are going, and then there's distance (very long) at which the images are taken, which also greatly influences that missed speed sensation, and going to circuit yourself as a spectator should not be spectacular enough either, unless you are in heavy braking areas, and always in lateral views. For me the greatest feeling is to see the World Rally Championship live, on road border (dangerous too, everything must be said, but with easy solution, stay in security zones, established by organizers). I always shall remember, for example, some images that are on youtube of Rally of Catalonia in 2019 of a of linked corners that are made practically at full throttle where the real speed at which they go is appreciated and it's hair-raising to see how fast they go on a mountain road (and filmed, not seen live). And all this for free (usually) without having to pay. Another aspect to consider in rallies is driftings. Another example, in Rally Portugal, as in other rallies, there are dirt stages with small pieces of asphalt where seeing them drift with wheels and dirt suspensions is a spectacle worth telling the grandchildren. On border of road
Montoya's Monza record from 2004 stood until 2018...the V10s were ridiculous. About as much power and they only weighed 605kg (they weigh 900kg+ today). Schumacher's Monaco lap from 2004 wasn't beaten until 2016 and the circuit was shortened a tiny bit in 2015 with Tabac reprofiled so it's a faster circuit now.
I did some research: Temperature is a factor that I'm not considering, but I compared the FP2 times for both Spain and Monaco between this year and last. 2022 cars were 1.5 seconds slower in Spain, but only 1 second slower in Monaco. I'm surprised that Monaco has the closer gap, personally.
it so sad the contrast between 2005 and 2006 and then again between 2013 and 2014. it goes from roaring high pitched screams and blown diffusers into the camera's mic capturing the sound of the wind going over the cars.
This illustrates just how much more exciting the cars were when they were smaller, had less tyre, and were high revving NA machines. So much more dynamic and interesting to watch.
Totally agree. That chicane shot really shows the speed and the edge drivers deal with in Monaco for the entire lap. Curiously, the slowest circuit on the calendar is the one that demonstrates the speed the best. For instance; onboard footage of Monaco gives us the notion of speed a lot more than onboard shots of Monza, even though the difference in speed is enormous. It's like wingsuit proximity flying that is infinitely more dramatic than when pilots fly away from the mountain.
Yes I try to find some footages but it's harder than Monaco. There is not one camera angle that come back each year like here. When you talk about eau rouge which camera angle do you think about ? (before the corner or after ?)
@@KingFishF1 before, when you can see the cars 'climbing' the corner. such a shame that we don't have a traditional angle like Monaco has, they even got more than one! anyways, thanks for your research and hope to see more great videos from you
Me meanwhile looking at the evolution of the position graphics on the corner... The most nostalgic graphic style for me is 2010-2013. Those were the races I usted to watch as a kid
This a good comparison video to show how how the cars have grown. I didn't realise how big they got until the red bull was shown followed by the 2017 Ferrari.
brand new F1 fan, so i apologize for dumb question, but which turn is this? i can see from signs its Monaco, but curious which turn it actually is? thanks for any inputs!
They should create a classic F1 category. It would feature cars from 2000 to 2006 with V10s so people who like F1 that way could watch it and people who likes vaccum cleaners could watch modern F1 And everybody is happy.
A bunch of things have changed over the years. Obviously the sound dropped in 2014. But the sense of speed is lower with modern camera stabilization and higher resolution. I also think that the tires were incredibly sticky in the 2000s; I'm happy to be corrected.
