The Best of EVERY Smash Move! (All DLC Edition)

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Sora's been added. Every nerf and buff has been made. Super Smash Bros. Ultimate is complete, which means it's time to take another look at the best of EVERY move in Smash Ultimate! I've gotten requests to remake this video for a long time now, and with more great moves in the game than ever, it was tougher than ever to settle on a list. Be sure to check out the companion video on my second channel, MockRockTalk, if you'd like more insight into the choices made!
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@MrMockRock 2 года назад

THIS VIDEO HAS AN UPDATED RETROSPECTIVE! If you liked it and want to see how the choices fared over the years, you can find a post-mortem over on my second channel: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-34w6h8lcsNs.html -Second channel: ru-vid.com -Twitter: twitter.com/MrMockRock -Twitch: www.twitch.tv/mockrocktwitch -Patreon: www.patreon.com/mockrock -Teespring: teespring.com/stores/mockrock -TimeBolt affiliate link (excellent software I use to speed up editing on my videos, use code "MOCKROCK" for a discount): mockrock--timebolt.thrivecart.com/order-page/

@FinalSmashGamer2 2 года назад

Play Xenoblade.

@ConnortheGonnor 2 года назад

What about the most mediocre move of each character?

@Mcool77 2 года назад

0o0

@AuraSilverHero 2 года назад

@@ConnortheGonnor I was thinking of the best and worst move of each character.

@Tvhurdghit4fhi6rr 2 года назад

Ummmmmm....... Pivot Grab?

@DecafPotato 2 года назад

You forgot forward tilt with an item, the meter rebalance of final smashes, assist trophy attacks, item throws, attacks with the Kiddy Kong spirit equipped, and you didn’t make my favorite character win every category. This is unacceptable.

@woofmasterarf 2 года назад

Also don't forget Kirby Copy Abilities which cause a 1.2x damage increase!

@meta04 2 года назад

@@woofmasterarf And varying launch rates, with G&W's up-B winning even harder on anything over about 1.5...

@shiffpup2529 2 года назад

Meter rebalanced final smash is still Zelda

@arjaycook7612 2 года назад

Best F-Tilt with an item goes to Sandbag from SSF2. In a corner, it does ridiculous damage because it loops into itself, with any battering item.

@endshine2264 2 года назад

And the spot dodge attacks Terry has

@HarveyVolodarskii 2 года назад

Simon and Richter: “to compensate for our long range, our moves require good spacing to have kill power” Byleth and Sephiroth: “lol”

@MishKoz 2 года назад

DLC privilege 😔

@maximeminassian6002 2 года назад

Technically the moves that use Aredbahr do need spacing to be good, if not too good

@captainmega6310 2 года назад

Yeah but they're zoners

@andymcclurg9916 2 года назад

To be f-air Sephiroth needs careful spacing too

@greedo194 2 года назад

@@andymcclurg9916 haha ftilt at the ledge go brr I do agree tho

@mettatonex7221 2 года назад

I think just those first three move category choices are perfectly emblematic of just how insane Smash Bros' roster is at this point. For the first move slot, we have the adorable puppy secretary from that cute little game about maintaining a town of talking animals. For the next move slot, we have the edgy seven-foot-sword-weilding villain that has semi-canonically assaulted both Mario and Mickey Mouse. For the move slot after that, we have Minecraft Steve.

@mwzngd1679 9 месяцев назад

Mickey mouse???????? How did Sepiroth assault Mickey mouse??

@mettatonex7221 9 месяцев назад

@@mwzngd1679 Kingdom Hearts is nuts from what I've heard.

@KeDe1606 8 месяцев назад

@@mettatonex7221yes, but he never attacked Mickey in either game. Only Cloud, Tifa and Sora

@bracken8782 8 месяцев назад

@@KeDe1606he did attack donald and goofy though

@KeDe1606 8 месяцев назад

@@bracken8782 oh yeah… completely forgot about that. Though that scene was mainly an excuse to not have them participate in the fight

@AdmiralBobbery123 Год назад

I gotta say, I really appreciate the way you were able to perfectly find a clip at 17:50 to demonstrate both of Palu’s broken moves. Your ability to find good demonstrations is appreciated

@MrMockRock Год назад

Hey thanks! That takes a lot longer than you'd expect sometimes and I specifically remember this clip being a nightmare haha, appreciate it

@amateraceon5202 2 года назад

_gets to down air_ “Say the line, MockRock!” “It does TWENTY. PERCENT.” “YAAAAY!”

@ImCookieSparx 2 года назад

goated comment.

@jellycore1316 2 года назад

YESSS XD Truly so

@alexpotts6520 2 года назад

For real though. A frame-three OOS on a zoner is already stupid, even if it did a normal amount of damage.

@El_Mince Год назад

@@alexpotts6520 Frame 6 including jump squat actually

@Xavii 2 года назад

this man spent 2 minutes clearing up a future arguement about the *3rd honorable mention of down air* what a legend

@aa-tx7th 2 года назад

yeah i personally hate when tubers do that sh!t its just future butthurt over criticism that doesnt even yet exist and all it does is dillute the vid and pad it out to go on for WAAAY too long. its extremely annoying.

@TheKitKatThe 2 года назад

@@aa-tx7th it was 2 minutes

@eumorpha876 2 года назад

@@aa-tx7th imo, that can be annoying, but a lot of good RU-vidrs (MockRock included) use "clearing up potential arguments" as an opportunity to educate people on a topic further, while also using it to increase watch time and addressing some inevitable common arguments without requiring people to scroll down the comments

@theillusionist1494 Год назад

@@aa-tx7th I gotta be honest, here. If you’re not interested in comprehensive analysis or acute awareness of potential flaws in one’s own opinion, why are you watching a comprehensive analytical video showcasing someone’s opinion?

@ReitheOffbeatOtaku 2 года назад

I love how exasperated the delivery of _"It does *20 Percent.*"_ is during the down air category. It's made me crack up both times I've watched this video.

@isaiaholaru5013 Год назад

Same, it's like he's forcing himself to stay calm

@Weebfox 2 года назад

"For ftilt, Mythra is an honorable mention" "Mythra's uptilt deserves an honorable mention" "Mythra's dtilt" Yeah that seems to check out, I already like where this video is going

@RadiantBlaze Год назад

As an Aegis co-main, i apologise to every other person that plays smash, aegis busted

@rouge939 Год назад

@@RadiantBlaze at least you can admit it. My brother plays them and keeps saying their recovery “balances” them

@RadiantBlaze Год назад

@@rouge939 That's the same logic used for Cloud in ssb4 lmao You don't need a good recovery if you have instant escape from disadvantage

@maxwellmegagamer8535 Год назад

don’t you love when the dash attack is also an anti air

@DEVILONBOTHSHOULDERS 8 месяцев назад

@@RadiantBlazebut she doesn’t lol, aegis is absolutely gatekept by her recovery if her recovery was good she’d be the best character in the game, not top 5 trollface

@Kirbman 2 года назад

Honestly, Steve's neutral special could easily be given to any character if you simply remove the crafting. That's what Kirby's version of the move does.

@TheTrueBrawler 2 года назад

It's an amazing move to be honest.

@donovanmahan2901 2 года назад

Air smash attacks. Busted.

@nickmiller172 2 года назад

exactly, almost any character would use NIL

@morphstarchangeling8024 2 года назад

Steve's neutral special and Shulks are both tools every character in the game would benefit from having. The ability to make platforms to extend your combos, using jump to enhance bad air speed, speed for ground speed at the cost of falling faster, blocks to recover better. These two move are just infinitely good on any character in the game.

@iantaakalla8180 2 года назад

Steve’s and Shulk’s signature abilities on every character would make a brand new, even more dynamic fighting game (albeit one now more reliant on timing).

@TheAntiburglar 2 года назад

I literally have never actually attempted to learn any of the advanced techniques and corresponding meta skills for this game, despite having played it since its original iteration, but I absolutely LOVE your breakdowns and explanations. It actually encourages me to learn more about the mechanics behind my favorite fighting game of all time :D

@savelil1th269 2 года назад

If it’s your favorite fighting game you totally should. Under the hood there is so much that is so interesting to learn and even more interesting to master, tons of depth to every character even if some are for sure easier than others

@jonieljoestarzawarudo8172 2 года назад

That's the beauty of Smash Bros.. It's one of the most approachable fighting games for newcomers, while still being very rewarding for competitive play.

@wowo-wo6st 2 года назад

To be honest, having a bunch of random attacks and then being able to pick the last one actually sounds like it could be pretty fun as a mod or something.

@power0029 2 года назад

I was surprised to not see Ivysaur’s up air not listed as an honorable mention. Sure, it’s frame 12, but it has a huge disjointed hitbox, does 15%, is -6 on shield, and has intangibility on the bulb. With platforms, you can easily rack up 45-50% with just up air. It also kills generously early.

@ryanfuentes3785 2 года назад

as some who plays pokemon trainer yes i don't know why its on

@nightey975 Год назад

I’m sure he puts it a number 6, before Robin.

@Endershock1678 Год назад

@Roger Loe Zard is faster, has better ledge trapping, generally more options in edge guarding, is significantly heavier, and has far better OOS options. Tweek once said on podcast that Zard is the best of the three in a vacuum.

@namkwal4605 Год назад

yeah why was ivy not mentioned at all

@shadownite3378 Год назад

Mr game and watch's up air as well wasn't mentioned strangely? I mean hell that one is arguably the best up air in the game

@thomasminnen8831 2 года назад

I've rewatched both Best and Worst moves lists an uncountable amount of times, so to say I was excited for this is an understatement. Really happy that it's also a very long video. Haven't watched the video completely but I just know the video is gonna be great.

@thescarfguy 2 года назад

Everything you just said is true for me too. +1

@lostmosscostFAUST6671 2 года назад

Same

@MissingHunter 2 года назад

It’s like a ritual for me to watch the old best and worst list videos once per month

@lachepro6860 2 года назад

Same

@landlighterfirestar5550 2 года назад

MockRock has consistently rewatchable videos and I cannot figure out why. It’s awesome!

@QuinnTheGM 2 года назад

Glad to see reference to the best crit quote in Fire Emblem history, "Pick a god and pray"! Great video as always!

@halcyon_echo42 2 года назад

Frederick is a legend & that line will always be epic yes!

@chris-fr9ws 2 года назад

this video was phenomenal: not only was it absurdly well-researched, but it covered almost every base in honorable mentions, gave clear explanations for everything, and had the hilarious ending bits to top it all off. great work!

@isaiaholaru5013 Год назад

You are correct, not many youtubers put this much effort into their videos

@trickytristan1 2 года назад

28:15 psyche up also makes his up-throw a kill throw, so imagine having the potential to give your character a kill throw/make one of their kill throws kill earlier

@theillusionist1494 2 года назад

Imagine Oomph/Psyche Up Ness back throw

@Kyara7 2 года назад

@@theillusionist1494 Kills earlier than about 3/4ths of the cast

@selpho5511 2 года назад

smash monado art

@theillusionist1494 2 года назад

@@selpho5511 I think Smash Art/Oomph/Psyche Up Ness back throw just deletes your main from the roster

@anwnerd1762 Год назад

@@theillusionist1494 and as a ness main I'd be perfectly okay with that

@Netheraptr 2 года назад

It’d be interesting if you did a “best move of every character tier list” where you listed each character’s best move for them specifically

@ClintonKE 2 года назад

Top 5 best moves of every character, with worse 5. That chances are get some views. Get some "most noticeable quirk about the character as well for some real fun."

@Paulunatr 2 года назад

Neutral air: the video

@cryguy0000 2 года назад

Pretty sure he already did something like that before

@Netheraptr 2 года назад

@@cryguy0000 Back in year one of Smash a few you tubers did things like that. But I don’t think MockRock did anything exactly like that. Besides, the meta of the game has changed drastically since the first year

@squidbacon7397 2 года назад

maybe "best move FOR every character"

@woofmasterarf 2 года назад

This was a fun watch, nice to see it stand out quite a bit from the original list. Also I love how much of an extra mile you went with making sure you didn't have comments mentioning obscure move types.

@sebthetawnyfrogmouth9364 Год назад

I feel like incineroar’s down special, revenge, should have been an honorable mention. The power boost it provides to every move would be incredibly valuable on any characters kit.

@pandalenz6534 Год назад

Yeah

@goahdejen6176 10 месяцев назад

imagine pyra down air w revenge or luigi up b w revenge

@kimotokirby1601 8 месяцев назад

Tbh is better in incineroars kit than in everyone else exept for maybe bowser, the thing is that he beneficiate a lot more for having such a fast defensive option and his moves are all pretty strong overall. It has special sinergy with moves like alolan whip cuz it makes strong moves moves be even stronger, but it wouldn't be that good in a moveset full of weaker, combo tool moves or with faster movement. Still really good tho.

@RealKraite 2 года назад

Fun video! I would love to see move of these kinds of videos in the future, I find them to be super interesting when you go through a shared topic of every character!

@phoebe5114 2 года назад

Best ledge hang goes to Ridley. He's got the lowest hurtbox when hanging on ledge and also a lot of moves to get out of said hang safely. He even avoids Dark Samus full charge shot by just vibing there.

@captainmega6310 2 года назад

That's funny

@everyonesaidmynamewasstupi3713 2 года назад

i thought ganon had the lowest ledge hang?

@nuclearcoconut3664 2 года назад

@@everyonesaidmynamewasstupi3713 it was ganon in smash 4, but now it's sonic (his hands aren't hurtboxes anymore) ridley arguably has better planking options though

@everyonesaidmynamewasstupi3713 2 года назад

@@nuclearcoconut3664 ah i see. but if we’re talking about planking options we gotta talk about wii fit and her unreactable positive-on-shield kill confirm projectile from ledge

@loganw7101 2 года назад

but in a vacumn he wouldnt have those moves.

@meadnex331 2 года назад

the grande finale flurry of fake out endings was glorious, adorable, and overall fantastically endering and well done. thank you for providing me with so many smiles both now and throughout the years

@rossfreeman5646 2 года назад

someone's got a crush goddamn

@meadnex331 2 года назад

@@rossfreeman5646nah im just a fool who enjoys being overly dramatic

@matthewjones6786 2 года назад

Super fun video, I appreciate all the effort in editing! It's great that every single time you're explaining something, that very thing is happening on screen.

@3rdDayfan777 2 года назад

MockRock, this was a joy to watch. The evolution of Ultimate's moves, meta, and community has been so engaging that even after I stopped play Ultimate over 1.5 years ago, it's still so entertaining to spectate and learn more about it. Thank you for all the hard work you put into these videos, it's always a treat in my sub feed when I get to see you post!

@tjackknife6590 2 года назад

I’d like to give my own takes on the refined “gimmick” rule. If a move relies on the use of another move to even be usable, I don’t think it should be on here. For example, Olimar can’t use any of his Pikmin moves without plucking Pikmin which REQUIRES the use of Neutral Special, but Hero’s Command Select is still fair game since none of Hero’s moves are exclusively tied to gaining mana. He just does it by hitting his opponents. You could slap that onto Mario and it’d still work.

@meta04 2 года назад

Yeah, especially looking at how Kirby's copy abilities interact with these: Olimar's Pikmin pluck becomes a combined pluck+throw, while Hero's neutral-B just has the normal mana meter without having access to the other mana moves.

@tjackknife6590 2 года назад

@@meta04 I don’t even think Kirby is limited to mana, which is strange. Side note, imagine if he got Command Select

@tjackknife6590 2 года назад

@Roger Loe For one thing, yeah, why can’t Kirby use more character gimmicks? Two, I’m saying if Hero’s Neutral B was Command Select and Kirby got it XD

@tjackknife6590 2 года назад

@Roger Loe Mario is simple. Kirby is built around the concept of memorizing each and every matchup. Like Twice or Toga in My Hero One's Justice 2.

@poggestfrog 2 года назад

@@tjackknife6590 Nah, Kirby is built around being the beginner friendly character

@luigiofthegods459 2 года назад

*Mythra has the best tilts in the game* Mythra: That's my secret, MockRock... *I'm always tilted*

@blaakmage 2 года назад

I love these vids an incredible amount. Putting so much emphasis on the raw data and mechanics of the game like a philosophical debate. The work and passion you must put into them is crazy. I love it

@BallisticSoul6 2 года назад

Glad to see you finally returning to this idea! Ever since Sora dropped, I’ve been eagerly awaiting this

@Meichrob7 2 года назад

I imagine there’d be some similarities but I’d be interested to see your take on a “best possible character in smash” where you took one character as a base, so their physics and any special abilities they have that are somewhat easily applicable to other characters moves (so aura or one winged mode but probably not limit), and then consider what the best combination of moves would be for that character. A lot of the time you had to preface a certain move by explaining that another seemingly more powerful one was reliant on the character’s synergy with another move or their physics, which made me really want to see a video where you did factor those in.

@botanicalabe 2 года назад

It would be cool if the next smash game has a character builder where you can take any characters move and see how they work as a kit

@lordofchaosiori 2 года назад

I don’t want to imagine the monstrosity of cheese that would come from this lol. But a fun exercise for sure.

@dIancaster 2 года назад

That's just Smash 4. They did something like this.

@botanicalabe 2 года назад

@@dIancaster not custom moves but a character creator that you can fully customize what moves the character has, not just specials

@dIancaster 2 года назад

@@botanicalabe Sounds busted and unpredictable.

@zeroattentiongaming820 2 года назад

@@dIancaster Indeed, so such a thing could easily exist while being banned in any competitive sense, with a setting for all existing modes to disallow custom characters for people who just want to play regular Smash. The Miis are a lot of fun to experiment with building a moveset, expanding that to a full custom fighter could add countless hours of play time for someone like myself who would experiment with it all day, while being easily restricted in such a way that people who don't want to deal with the entire thing can ignore it completely.

@FreePokemonGiveaway 2 года назад

Really love to see you back at it again! Top tier content as always my man, hope life is well!

@anthonygillette Год назад

I know since the roster has been set, your main channel hasn’t had many updates. But I think I’d love your insight on smash tourney results! Have you thought about covering some of the battles/major upsets and going over why the battles ended how they did? Again, I love your insight on how smash works, and I think this could be a great way to keep this channel active :)

@JEWong47 2 года назад

The last 3 minutes killed me lmao Also, I'm legitimately shocked there wasn't an honorable mention for Young Link's nair despite just being Link's nair but frame 4 while retaining everything that makes Link's nair good minus a bit of range

@chacha4343 2 года назад

If you look at the frame data, Mii Brawler Nair is incontestably better than Yink's. Faster and longer lasting, with the same damage and safety on shield.

@Mufflin 2 года назад

@@chacha4343 Yink nair has combo potential debatabley as good or better then brawlers.

@chacha4343 2 года назад

@@Mufflin How so? It does literally the exact same thing.

@koldking 2 года назад

If you enjoy smash then Mock Rock's entire catalogue is a must watch.

@buster_2507 2 года назад

Awesome video! So good to see this updated

@EndrVersace 2 года назад

These type of videos is why I really love your channel and have been subbed for a long while now. Informative, yet entertaining in a way.

@reno2706 2 года назад

The nostalgia this idea brings back from early ultimate. This is a masterpiece

@anacobra558 2 года назад

nothing on RU-vid makes me quite as excited as seeing that you've uploaded on a new vid I just ALWAYS loved your stuff since smash 4 and I'm so happy that mockrock talk exists just because it's more content great as always

@just-yellow 2 года назад

Nice informative video with great production value, as always. Keep it up MockRock!!

@UltimateStarky 2 года назад

I'm glad Isabelle got one spot on this list, and to see Isabelle play in competitive matches.

@Jackaljkljkl Год назад

As a Bowser Jr main, that Jab was our one hope of actually winning a category. Oh well...

@VarsVerum 2 года назад

I’m surprised you didn’t mention Lucina’s forward air, which in my opinion does everything shulk’s does while being frame 5, one of the fastest fairs in the game. Same goes for Game and Watch’s up air. It’s beyond impossible to punish and while it’s directly vertical and has nonexistent kill power, if you’re looking for juggling you really can’t get much better than that. (Updating this as I watch) Game and Watch’s key is also something important to think about considering how important landing is to reset neutral. Sephiroth’s Shadow Flare deserves a mention for basically forcing a disadvantage state for 3ish seconds while requiring almost no commitment from range. ROB’s up special is also kind of hacks for giving him amazing off stage presence. I can imagine giving someone his up b + Lucina fair and you basically never get back once you’re thrown off.

@nintentwins1867 2 года назад

Hey Vars enjoy your content

@marin9412 2 года назад

There’s a lot of left out moves that should have made it but they’re gonna get brought up anyway by other people. So I just wanna talk about one of the best fairs and also one of the most underrated moves in the game due to the character it’s attached to: mii gunner’s fair. It’s one of the safest moves in the game at -1 point blank, meaning it’s either neutral or + if done anywhere but point blank, giving a free mixup to literally any character who can land this move, and maybe even a guaranteed grab setup on some characters since gunner has the worst dash speed in the game. It’s also an amazing mobility option, being like corrin’s bair but faster and more spammable improving any character’s recovery, edge guard and mobility mixups. It’s also a really great zoning option being a spammable, relatively fast and spammable projectile with not the best range for a projectile but the second best horizontal range for a fair (behind min min) that can be instantly converted into a mix up because of the + frames.

@MetaKnightX6 2 года назад

Lucina’s forward is frame 6, not 5. 🤓

@morgone2645 2 года назад

I think Chroms fair would be a better pick. As it has a much better combo game than Lucina’s and is slightly safer whilst coving the same amount of space but it is a frame 10 option instead of 6. But I would say combo potential is a much better trade of then edgeguarding as it is not guarantied and extremely hard in some matchups.

@MetaKnightX6 2 года назад

@@morgone2645, to be fair, I don’t personally think either forward aerials are capable of being the best in Super Smash Bros.™️ Ultimate.

@ericab3919 2 года назад

I wouldve given "best non-moveset move" to min min's other arm, considering it didnt count as a tilt. Any other character being able to quickly and safely cover and follow up on an area in front of them with a kill move seems kinda broken. Think halfcharged charge shot or zss Zair into instant edgeguard position. Pikachu back air drag down to f tilt at like 40, into megawatt.

@ellie8272 2 года назад

One of Min Min's arms is ftilt/fsmash/fair, the other is side b. Both are traditional moveset moves.

@KevSB07 2 года назад

@@ellie8272 right but neither made the list since they're only useful together. the suggestion here is that the second arm is a pretty useful side-b if it would be able to be used simultaneously as any sidewards tilt or aerial, like how Min min can use it

@aronspiker72 2 года назад

@@KevSB07 while that's probably true I think he meant that her options for being say best Fair would be either Dragon fair, Ram Ram fair, or Megawatt fair, but you would not have smash inputs. But yes Min Min does mainly work as well as she does because the B button is a second A button for the most part that she can use simultaneously with the main A button and the she has the ability to switch her arms with down special.

@johanngalland6188 2 года назад

Very interesting video, surprisingly complete and detailed, and you even included final smashes lmao ! Anyways thank you for this

@isakjarlestedt2001 2 года назад

great video! i can really see that you put a lot of effort into this video :)

@alainlaroche573 2 года назад

Idk about palu dash attack being the best, it’s also really punishable on block (especially since the end lag nerf). Maybe it’s just me but I find spammable dash attack that cross up like greninja and snake more annoying to deal with.

@anthony432 2 года назад

I agree; it’s still a solid move but I don’t think it’s the best. Like you said, even though some DAs like Snake and Greninja’s don’t have invincibility they make up for that with how spammable they are

@Alibaba-id1cs 2 года назад

It's more annoying but the general thing with dash attacks is supposed to be a fast burst move that can punish landings. Sure, it's unsafe and not spammable, but it's strong and invincible. Still not the best imo

@zernek9199 2 года назад

This is a video I’ve wanted for so long. Thank you for making this. Just a couple small things I wanted to add to Yoshi’s flutter kick, since I am a Yoshi player It’s better on Yoshi’s kit bc of his air physics, but I think it still deserves a slot because it actually can catch airdodges while still killing off the top.

@jimjam7347 2 года назад

Don't have a lot to say about the video contents because I'm not well-versed in advanced Smash tech, but I just want to say your videos are still somehow entertaining for me regardless of that fact. Keep up the good work! Also, I like your use of the Celeste soundtrack throughout the video!

@10types 2 года назад

Amazing video, keep up the good work!

@chrisbell8902 2 года назад

The sheer attention to detail is so absolutely beautiful and I loved the thorough explanations for each choice and the honorable mentions, very fantastic, one of the most interesting ways to think about it is that it is almost like mii winner and you just have the best options in the game.

@Anon893 2 года назад

I was waiting for him to bring up Final Smashes the whole time and was so excited when he ended the video with them. Another well done and well researched video. Bravo MockRock Bravo!

@Endershock1678 Год назад

Peach/Daisy. It heals you and if used properly is useful both at low percents (as they can art up for their training room combo) and at high percent.

@astroguy4957 2 года назад

This is awesome seeing how things have changed over time! Also this would be awesome if someone could make a mod for this to be able to see lots of weird combos

@jakeoloughlin8381 2 года назад

Fantastic video, you're genuinely one of my favorite content creators of all time

@auroraborealis4468 2 года назад

Can't believe we've come such a long way. What a game!

@RacingSnails64 2 года назад

Great video man. The "Terry has the best back special" thing got me good 😂😂

@ironhide3732 2 года назад

i absolutely love listening to these, great work as always mockrock :)

@DanScamOld 2 года назад

Awesome vid as always! Keep up the good work :D

@AaronMiller1010 2 года назад

I love this series! You always did this type of video super well compared to a lot of other RU-vidra

@YGK-tu8cy 2 года назад

It's been an honor to watch your videos throughout the development of Smash Ultimate. I've learned a lot from them. Thank you for being a part of the community.

@Slug_ssbm Год назад

23:05 another use of Monado art I recently learned was using smash when you’re at low percents to make it harder to combo you.

@ethansura Год назад

That'd be insanely useful for big bodied guys like Bowser, ROB, and other heavies

@wesselord9791 2 года назад

I don't normally comment on videos but I just have to say this is one of the most meticulous, best put together videos I have seen in quite some time. Huge props to MockRock for the amount of time, effort, and research it takes to put together an opinion video that genuinely shows a ton of care and consideration!

@bharadwajkk6823 2 года назад

Your editing is soooooo clean, it isn't memey like others, just pristine my man!

@TehJoeBro 2 года назад

Excited for this one. Def one of the best Smash analysis channels, always look forward to your uploads. Perfect balance of casual player and skilled player appeal. Keep it up 👍

@trippi_3999 2 года назад

Super psyched to watch, love the content!

@peytonashley9388 2 года назад

I love watching your lists! PLease please keep making them!

@dandischinosvarietyhour1655 2 года назад

I feel like you've been getting more natural about joking around and just enjoying your scripts more. Great video!

@CraterCat1 2 года назад

I genuinely like the idea of mix matching a bunch of moves to see how they work together

@jonbeecee 2 года назад

I know this isn't even a new thing but GOD I love your theme song, I could listen to that on repeat for a while. Also great video as always!

@thepredman9lol266 Год назад

You put so much effort in bro!

@StarmisYT 2 года назад

The extra categories was hilarious. Never expected to seem them in this.

@LynxTheUnrelated 2 года назад

Unfortunate that this one's a sequel, since it tops the original in every category. Here's a like and a comment for more potential searches, this is certainly a video that deserves them.

@GamersAtFault 2 года назад

Great video Mock! Keep up the work.

@Genasidal 2 года назад

That ending bit was genuinely brilliant. Great video!!!!

@OrigamiAhsoka 2 года назад

I’ve been waiting for this one; super excited to see it, especially with the new updated rules Edit: that fire emblem reference on corrin’s fsmash, man, I loved that

@bowsertnt7904 2 года назад

Really good vid, though a bit sad that you didn’t mentioned Incin’s up air. It’s really fast, not laggy, big joggling tool that transfers into a kill move and it’s a really good combo starter on landing where you can steal stocks really early. It’s also -4 on shield which is as safe as ZSS’s nair since the nerfs. And Incin’s leg is intangible during the move. Faster characters would abuse this move even more than Incin already does. Other than that, solid vid and great content to watch through

@kennystimpson2775 2 года назад

He could get the best down special as well tbh

@samuelkinnunen828 2 года назад

This video was one of your best and I am so happy that you made it

@chiefcheddar1638 2 года назад

Wow amazing, I find these character rankings like these so interesting, sometimes I wish the video was longer

@oscarcat7523 2 года назад

I’ve been curious that both Min-Min and Mario have both been neglected in the forward smash category. Mario has an absurd lean back during the start up and can two frame, not to mention it had very good kill power. And min min f-smash plays neutral for you Edit: I know he addressed why however even having one arm, and only being able to use the dragon arm, it’s still busted beyond belief. It covers half the goddamn stage and is the second least committal edge guarding tool

@aronspiker72 2 года назад

Min Min is really subjective w/ how her moves work in a vacuum and the way MockRock described was the best she could provide would be something like Ram Ram or maybe Dragon F-Smash but you probably couldn't use it in the air, fitting arms attacks into these slots basically forces you to assume that you don't have much movement during these attacks as the aerials w/o smash inputs would be like Belmonts and you could only do 1 tilt at a time (plus her tilts are definitely the worst of her arm attacks in general)

@PuppetMasterIX 2 года назад

MockRock summed up Min-Min's absence within the video: Her attacks rely on her character-exclusive gimmick of both arms working alongside each other. If you isolate one arm, their utility is severely reduced.

@theillusionist1494 2 года назад

Min-Min f-smash really only plays neutral for you because of the potential mix-up of the second arm; part of the reason she’s so strong as a zoner is because she has that property to cover the first arm’s blind spot. Without that coverage, it’s still great, don’t get me wrong, but not necessarily a candidate for the best. Mario’s I won’t disagree with, though, that move is mad underrated.

@donaldcreswell4915 2 года назад

Also isn't doc's fsmash just better Mario f-smash? It's stronger and I know it has an electric effect so theoretically better to DI but still think it's better Probably should know this since I main him lmao

@aronspiker72 2 года назад

@@donaldcreswell4915 does Doc also do the hurtbox shifting and 2 framing, though I think the shorter range does make the leaning back a bit less effective as you have to be closer to your opponent to dodge and get reward out of it

@ThatGuyCalledSteeve 2 года назад

29:30 I kind of disagree with octoslash being difficult to challenge due to it's pretty long charge time, anyone with at least a decent offstage presence can go out and hit him with an aerial during the charge up and completely destroy him off stage

@landlighterfirestar5550 2 года назад

Agreed, and on stage it’s basically useless; your opponent has all the time in the world to see what you’re doing and hold shield, and then you’re just doomed

@samk2407 Год назад

Nah because you can blade dash and that will beat out the earlier timing. I play against sephiroth, and against most characters, if you're not coming him, you just have to let him recover

@Endershock1678 Год назад

You need to react fast because we can react to you coming off and just blade dash. Coming from a Seph secondary

@Endershock1678 Год назад

@@landlighterfirestar5550 Watch Nairo's clips. He is able to utilize Octoslash against even top players like Light and VoiD.

@samk2407 Год назад

@@Endershock1678 yeah exactly. You basically have to surprise the sephiroth player by going deeper faster than they expect, if you don't they just blade dash

@DaxWyvrn Год назад

I cannot fathom the amount of time that was consumed in order to research and compare all of the frame data values and hitbox/hurtbox properties in this video alone. You went above and beyond every expectation I had when clicking this video. You deserve every bit of praise you receive and more. Also, Corrin main here, reporting to cash in on my character getting W's anywhere they can take 'em. (top 20 character at least imo)

@jellycore1316 2 года назад

Thanks a ton for the video, really excited for it! ^^

@petrarcheleven8816 2 года назад

Yeah, I was kinda expecting that very final pick just because of how much Alpharad played with that move.

@pablo4707 2 года назад

I'm surprised Rob's Gyro didn't make it as an honorable mention: You can charge it, use it as a really good edgeguarding tool (as a down b or as an item), it makes campy characters approach because it can block any projectile, so it can also be used as a stage control tool, and above all the item gives any character crazy combo potential, like 0-deaths for a vast majority of the cast, no matter how trash their other moves are, so I think it would at least deserve an honorable mention, even if Gyro the item technically isn't the exact same thing as his down b, but to me you can still count that one

@jojo6783f 2 года назад

Links bomb is just a better version of robs down b in every way for this video i would say. Thats why it isnt here im guessing

@Endershock1678 Год назад

@@jojo6783f Nah, Gyro is way better as a combo tool and holds neutral by existing.

@orlandojack4296 2 года назад

Hey Mock Rock, Ive been following your channel for a while and i genuinely enjoy your content. Keep it up. Question, Who do you think is the best Pit main in competitive smash right now.

@Margarnet Год назад

good video as always thanks for the good content mockrock

@Staticsheep28 2 года назад

Dang, you really did look through every detail of every character. I really hope some top player responds to this and has mostly positive things to say.

@theillusionist1494 2 года назад

Interesting choosing Charizard over Mewtwo for up throw; my understanding was that, since Mewtwo’s is perfectly vertical, it’s harder to survive with DI in practice. Though I guess taking your opponent to the top platform kind of makes up for that. It’s also kind of funny how many categories in the original video were so UNQUESTIONABLY usurped by DLC editions. Mythra getting at least an honorable mention for every tilt makes me laugh far more than it should. One move I DEFINITELY expected to see, either here or on the second video, was Revenge. Getting a huge buff to your next attack as a disadvantage escape option or a prediction on an opponent’s attack is something I can’t imagine a ton of characters saying no to unless the alternative was… well, basically the choices you went with. I guess that just shows how stiff the competition is.

@megamimikyu0720 2 года назад

i would imagine revenge would have placed on this list if getting grabbed didn't remove the buff. it's especially bad on incineroar's poor mobility, but no matter what physics you have, if your opponent lands a grab before you get to use it, then you essentially predicted an enemy attack and got rewarded with a tiny burst of fire that does next to nothing in terms of both damage and knockback, leads to no combo setup due to the endlag, and you still take damage from it.

@theillusionist1494 2 года назад

@@megamimikyu0720 I just firmly disagree with that. Even with Incineroar’s terrible mobility, Revenge is an impactful presence in EVERY competitive Incineroar set I’ve ever seen. Plus, as mentioned in the video, standard grabs are actually not all that great in Ultimate, and tether/command grabs are good but sparse. If even a character as slow as Incineroar can find use for Revenge, imagine a character with mobility even just like Mario in that regard. It’s not bad because it has counterplay, it’s good because it forces your opponent to start fishing for that counterplay, making their actions easier to predict.

@tiffyw92 2 года назад

Wow, this is such a thoroughly researched video and provides a great reference guide to the utilities of certain moves, even though they're assumed to take place in a vacuum. But by the end of it, I was a little disappointed there was absolutely no mention of Alpharad's Portal Smash and what would be the optimal strategies to use on such a clearly very neutral and competitive stage. But on second thought, I remembered it's not exactly related to any character's moves, so never mind. But I think that would make a very interesting video to do one on competitve stages. And if you do, please end it with Alpharad's Portal Smash. Honorable mention to Little Z's Smallest Battlefield stage.

@maxj.bennett7831 2 года назад

Awesome. Loved the video, I also agree with your choices of ‘best moves’.

@mpregsonic5874 Год назад

Really think bowser’s up smash should be considered. Invincible, ground hit box and ungodly power

@Woofrie 2 года назад

YOOOOOO I'M IN A VIDEO

@Princess_Narii 2 года назад

MockRock very much appriciated to all the work you have put in this vid Much love

@adamyohan 2 года назад

Phenomenal video. Well done man.

@benro6564 2 года назад

Fantasic video as always. WHY DID I NOT PUT MY OWN MAIN as prediction for forward air tho. I am angy

@Empy_C. 2 года назад

who

@benro6564 2 года назад

@@Empy_C. bowser

@willy.b2419 2 года назад

@@benro6564 Can you stop showing up on my fucking comments

@ACDGames 2 года назад

When I made my first character in my own game, I looked closely at the original of this video for her creation and it reflected in her first iterations moveset, contain about 1 move from each of the categories barring specials. Now that the sequel is out...I think I'll make a alt of her just for fun.

@zeroattentiongaming820 2 года назад

Oh come on, how you gonna leave a comment like that without giving the name of your game so people can satisfy their curiosity after you've piqued it?

@ACDGames 2 года назад

@@zeroattentiongaming820 Well it's called MadWatch 2: Elysium, still in development. I have a video for the character in question, CLEAR, on my channel

@meriquinn 2 года назад

Fire content, MockRock!

@junknoodles1028 2 года назад

This had to have taken dozens of hours.. and as usual mock rock under promises and over delivers. Excellent work!

@jtwk3400 2 года назад

There is so much I disagree with in this list but it just shows how balanced and fun ultimate is. No move or character is generally considered the best and it leads to an exciting experience. Great video man!

@megatennepster3833 2 года назад

Which move do you disagree the most with, and what would you replace it with? Me, I would say wolf's down smash, and would instead go with Lucas.

@jtwk3400 2 года назад

@@megatennepster3833 I do think Lucas has a better down smash than wolf but I think game and watch has a better one than both of em. I also think game and watch easily has the best up air in the game and he didn't even mention it

@megatennepster3833 2 года назад

@@jtwk3400 I would also argue Incineroar's alolan whip for side special, but incineroar feels like cheating because his whole gimmick is that he has all the best moves in the game, but thy are stuck on a bad base

@jtwk3400 2 года назад

@@megatennepster3833 game and watch has the best air, pika easily has the best back air, I still think Rob has a better down tilt than mythra and others I am forgetting off the top of my head