The BEST Primer??

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There are SO many primer brands. It always makes me wonder which one of these is worth my money? Well, it's time we found that out!
AEROSOL RECOMMENDATION
I'm going to do another video with other brands, a quick one. Stay tuned for the aerosol recommendation. I'll edit this when it's out.
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AIRBRUSH PRIMER RECOMMENDATION
Vallejo Black 60ml: geni.us/lYQL
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OTHER PRIMERS
I don't think this ones are necessarily bad. Citadel is too expensive for what it offers, Army Painter was a little too glossy, Tamiya was a middle of the road contender, and I'm not even going to link Krylon.
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@use5555 3 года назад

I need to give you a lot of credit. This is exactly how we test architectural coatings in the lab: albeit with more sophisticated testing equipment. You did the cross hatch very well and the burnish resistance also. The cycling tool you made is exactly like our labs use, only much more expensive. Kudos

@grozwald 5 лет назад

"What is best in life!?" "To prime your miniatures, see them painted before you, and to hear the adulation of the community."

@bobamus1987 5 лет назад

"Hah, Vallejo laughs at your imperial primah."

@grozwald 5 лет назад

@@bobamus1987 "Grant me even coverage. And if you do not help me, then to HELL with you!"

@mandasity 4 года назад

@@bobamus1987 My primer lives in the air (brush). Your's lives in a can.

@DDCRExposed 5 лет назад

The active volcano question was probably the most metal moment in all of miniature painting tutorials!

@Miniac 5 лет назад

Hey! You've already seen this video! Yeah...sorry about that. Blame Premiere! I checked the box that said "unlisted" and it did whatever it wanted and unfortunately it did it while I was asleep! Bastard...Links in the description now. Sorry for the repost. I'M GOING TO DO ANOTHER PRIMER VIDEO! WOOHOO! (kill me) It'll be quick. I'm going to do 2 Krylons, 1 Rustoleum, and Mr. Surfacer 1200. Sorry, no paint on primers.

@dragondude94 5 лет назад

It's ok scott I still love you

@azerel83 5 лет назад

get your shit together Scott come on. messing messing

@lennonpierce1607 5 лет назад

I will forgive this... this time... HAHA Keep it metal dude! I too listen to tech death metal while i paint too... What an amazing year for minis and metal!! \,,,/

@samprastherabbit 5 лет назад

This pleases me greatly

@gvaca433 5 лет назад

Miniac what bad things you have heard about armory?

@BlackMagicCraftOfficial 5 лет назад

I was (technically) in a Miniac video. I consider this an official crossover 🤩 Re: priming in cold weather....as someone that lives in the coldest city on earth I can confirm you can get away with priming even in -30C weather if you do it quickly. I prefer to bring pieces inside asap to dry just incase, because, well there is no reason to leave them out in the cold after spraying.

@Miniac 5 лет назад

Heck yes, dude! I couldn't resist keeping your comment in there.

@doomed2die595 3 года назад

@@Miniac both you guys answer all my questions, you guys are the best, northern BC here -4 atm, sunny.

@apocalypticmoth6040 3 года назад

I’ve gotten a little bit of texture after leaving things outside in -20f to dry. Good thing that it was stone terrain.

@THE_MR_MAN 3 года назад

Ayyyyyy

@interestingpie493 2 года назад

If your cold, their cold too. Bring your freshly primed minis inside

@Gelugladius 3 года назад

I'm coming to this conversation several years too late, but I just discovered the video, so... hey! I worked in the paint department of a hardware store for a couple of years and had a lot of talks with the paint companies' representatives (Sherwin-Williams, Valspar, Olympic...), so I can actually answer why it's so much easier to paint on top of matte/flat paints than glossy ones. I dealt with wall and furniture paint more than miniature paints, but the principles are the same. There are a number of solid particles (pigments, fillers, etc) suspended in liquid. Flatter paints have less binder, so more of these particles are poking out of the surface. As a result, they have a higher surface area for additional layers to stick to. Glossier paints, meanwhile, have a higher ratio of binder to solids, which means that less of the particles are sticking out and the final surface is a lot smoother, which results in a more mirror-like finish. Think about how you have to sand a piece of wood with increasingly higher grits to get it smooth and shiny: the same principle applies to the paint. Primers are almost always matte or flat (which may or may not be the same thing depending on the manufacturer) to make it easier for paint to stick to it. It's also why you typically go over it with a glossier paint: the same properties that make primer easier for paints to adhere to also make it easier for dust, grease, and other substances to stick to, and cleaning it is a nightmare because you'll probably have to scrub so hard to remove the stains that you'll take some of the primer with it. Higher glosses with smoother surfaces are harder for stains to adhere to and are therefore a lot easier to clean off. If you want to paint on top of a glossy surface, your best bet is to try to dull down the gloss and make it flatter. You'll typically either want to sand it a little to give the surface more tooth, or hit it with a liquid deglosser (which is basically a very mild acid etcher) to do it chemically. The point is that you're trying to make the glossy paint more of a matte finish to paint on top of it, in essence turning it into a primer.

@JimmyChem 4 года назад

I just saw this - just getting back into painting after a 15 year hiatus. As a science teacher, I'd give you an A+ for a damn fine controlled experiment! Nice job!

@charliecompanywargaming1715 5 лет назад

Great video. Very informative and entertaining. As far as I’m concerned, your channel is one of the best. Keep it up, Scott.

@mattsteen1566 5 лет назад

Keep the momentum going Scotty your killin the game!

@laam999 5 лет назад

I'm loving the methods you use and how you're trying to make it as scientific as possible. Keep it up, it's nice to see and nice to hear your reasoning for things you're doing.

@SomeAnimeGal 5 лет назад

Howdy! Your friendly local Lowe's associate here with some insight into Krylon spray paints! I say paint, because unfortunately the product demoed here is indeed a spray paint with a satin finish. Spray paints, even with a matte finish, don't work very well as a primer, and the satin finish in Krylon sprays, while durable, make a terrible surface for painting on. Krylon Fusion's gray and white primers (they don't offer a black through us, sadly) tend to perform much better, and are actually my choice for mini priming. They have a matter finish than Citadel paints, and while they have a longer drying time, they seem to level and leave details open just about as well. If you are just getting into the hobby or are looking for perhaps a cheaper alternative, I would recommend trying then. For a $5 price tag it's a nice entry point for priming, and from personal experience I prefer it to the $20 stuff. Sorry for the shilling, and thank you for this great content!

@Zamudiokid 3 года назад

You’re right, fusion all in one paint and primer is awesome but there is another that I’m having trouble with, krylons color max with cover maxx tech. Ultra flat, which is sold by hobby lobby. I paint on it and it’s acrylic paint resistant. Maybe I sprayed too much on the surface and should have semi covered the miniature? Please help!

@choagliniii 5 лет назад

Well this explains alot of the problems I've been having with Vallejo primers on bigger models. Thanks Scott, very entertaining and informative.

@natehancock7882 5 лет назад

I appreciate your attempts to objectively test products like this. Thanks for the efforts on our behalf.

@dylannagle2807 5 лет назад

I applaud your approach, your objectivity, your presentation skills and the quality of your videos! Very well done indeed

@nateadams8368 5 лет назад

Holy shit great science my dude! Your commitment to demystifying the hobby is unmatched.

@awesomepossomable 5 лет назад

You're doing the lords work here. I have such a hard on for comparisons like this that actually do some testing, not just anecdotal evidence.

@griseusasmr 5 лет назад

You went deep, man. Thank you for doing this experiment. And the survey easy and quick, and overall useful for all of us.

@Paul_Todkill 5 лет назад

Damnit, I just bought some vallejo primer the other day, wish I'd known about the affiliate link. Next time! Great comparison, the extent you went through with the tests was above and beyond. Keep it up!

@Mikey__R 5 лет назад

Thanks so much for all of the effort you put in to this video! There were certainly some results I didn't expect, for example I'm surprised the Vallejo primer held onto the paint as well as it did. I do find though, that this is validation for my own choice of Stynlrez. Sandabillity is a huge concern for me, I often prime my models to check that I've filled a crack, so I often have to go back and resand refill, resand again and reprime several times over. One rattlecan option you didn't test though was auto enamel primer. I feel like this stuff is rock solid on both plastic and metal, once it's on, it's on for good. But it's a hastle, and can go on a bit thick if you're not careful.

@Rabbott3565 5 лет назад

You are the best man, thanks for the laughs and the best content out there!

@sadnessinside123 5 лет назад

Stellar work man. I really appreciate the hard work and time you put into your videos. Thank you

@str8clown88 5 лет назад

Hey Scott just seen this video this morning just want to say you inspired me in to start painting miniatures keep up the good work!!!!! I'm a loyal subscriber and I love your heavy metal theme!

@KevinNWahl 4 года назад

Miniac is the best Mini Painting Teacher on RU-vid.

@ands1983 5 лет назад

Damn Scott, your level of patience is insane - thumbs up man!

@GaryTha2nd 3 года назад

Just got into warhammer and I found my favorite new go to minis youtuber love the metal aesthetic 🤘🏼

4 года назад

"AEROSOL RECOMMENDATION I'm going to do another video with other brands, a quick one. Stay tuned for the aerosol recommendation. I'll edit this when it's out." I guess that was a lie :'(

@Nephanor 4 года назад

Yeah, here I am almost 2 years later and no aerosol recommendation.

@Fallen_BDPS 3 года назад

@@Nephanor I'm here 7 months after you :(

@chaoticzer0 2 года назад

Forever waiting

@thedorklylionchannel415 5 лет назад

Cracking video mate. If I'm honest I didn't think I'd like your style of video when I started watching but you've completely won me over with videos like this :) Liked and suuuubbed

@drachenschanze1 5 лет назад

This guy helped me so many times and iam in warhammer since 1993.his vids are on a very high standart and i love them!

@chadashton7029 5 лет назад

Should have tried Rust-Oleum Ultra matte camo. It's really good stuff for rattle can and cheap at $4 a can.

@CobaltCatalyst 5 лет назад

Great Video! I just started mini painting but went with Vallejo Primer as everyone in my circles said it was a good paint to start with. Glad I wasn't wrong with my choice. I'll have to try Badger when I run out of Primer.

@allgravygames 5 лет назад

Dope, thanks for taking the time, Ill be passing this vid along.

@robhamper6001 5 лет назад

Scott, Scott, Scott. You are either insane or truly dedicated. I prefer insane, 'cause that would be more fun. Awesome work! As an engineer and a person of science I appreciate your methodology and determination to getting it right. Honestly, I was surprised that Vallejo came out so highly ranked given some of it's problems. And I've just started using the stuff. There are methods to making it work better i.e. adhesion. And I've found that black and white require slightly different air brush setups and use. Fantastic work. I'll have to pry open my wallet and support you in some way!!

@rurone 5 лет назад

Gonna chime in and add that I'm also a researcher and really appreciate Scott's dedication to testing methodology, with one important caveat: Scott, man, you've set yourself up for skewed results by identifying the brands in your poll. Yes, Vallejo scored much higher than any other brand, but even people who want to be objective can wind up favoring certain answers unless you take steps to control for it. If you run a test like this in the future, I recommend giving the samples code numbers, rather than referring to them by brand names. This way you'll be much more confident that you're judging based on merit, rather than how people feel about certain brands.

@robhamper6001 5 лет назад

@@rurone Have to agree with you rurone, but I thought the poll I took only had numbers not names. How many polls were there? Otherwise though, bang on about preventing skewing.

@TheNulloverride 5 лет назад

Personally I've been pretty happy with the Krylon paints. It's an effective and affordable way to prime and get a basecoat for some models. I have found their coating to be extremely tough, as well, which I've not seen with other primers I've tried. But when I was younger maybe I also didn't clean my models before painting them so perhaps that was part of my issue there.

@kenkrugger 5 лет назад

Great video man but you used Krylons paint and primer combo which is slightly glossy and thick. Try out their straight up primer. Great stuff👍

@possumwizard 5 лет назад

I don't paint minis, or play any table-top stuff but I really enjoy your channel. Keep up the good work!

@jingles009 4 года назад

I've often wondered bout this. Thx for doing the hard work for me.

@redcrystalsoul 5 лет назад

So my beloved vallejo primer is both the worst and best primer on the market. Hmm.

@keshlalish5586 5 лет назад

can't be the best in everything. it's a miniature primer, not a model kit primer :P

@MrTourette666 5 лет назад

As long as you not tape anything eveything is fine!

@jonesey1981 5 лет назад

Amazing content as usual. Keep doing you man.

@kevinshindler5727 5 лет назад

Damn This looked like a hell of alot of work. Thank you for your dedication in your videos and the great Entertainment while delivering us this knowledge I got so much better painting my minis since watching your vids Thank you so much

@tomaveryta 4 года назад

8:00 had me in bits...😂😂😂 outstanding! Great videos dude, thanks so much for all your work

@Thepaintingwick 4 года назад

This is a great video! If you take suggestions, you should do some similarly rigorous testing with the three types of varnish.

@cyagen9782 5 лет назад

Great video! Would be interesting to do the same thing with clear coats, especially the weather part.

@obvie6036 5 лет назад

Great video Scott, I love Krylon primer, you have satin paint/primer maybe give their matt primer a chance it's very inexpensive. They also have an ultra matt camo series in some colors that you normally can't find in primers, but it's double the price of the normal primer. (A quick shout out to uncle Atom from Tabletop Minions, this is where I originally found this info.)

@trzynasty909 4 года назад

Man, I'm so happy that you are the way you are, Scott. From anyone else I feel like I'd have gotten some "OH tHe BEst prImEr iS wHAt YoU nEeD, yOu CAn't SaY oNe iS BeST". And here I get several tests and various opinions. Love it!

@Carsf100 5 лет назад

I have, personally, found that you can prime very well in winter as long as it's not freezing and it's dry. I prime the entire Nurgle Start Collecting in the dead of winter and there were absolutely no issues.

@BillBard 5 лет назад

A great primer not featured here, which I have found to be the best for not obscuring any detail at all, is Mr. Surfacer 1200. Its not cheap, but it is SUPER forgiving if you were to spray a little too much and leaves a super fine smooth surface with just enough bite to it to take paint well. Great primer!

@duerf5826 5 лет назад

The miniature community in general is not really familiar with lacquer paints since they're almost useless for hand painting. But Mr. Surfacer, undoubtedly, is one of the best, if not the best, primer on the market.

@BillBard 5 лет назад

@@duerf5826 yeah I use the rattle can version of it for almost all my minis.

@johnmiddleton4291 5 лет назад

Lacquer paints for hobby use will likely be banned in the next few years. They have already be banned for automotive use because of the excessively toxic particulates from over spray. In fact, there is a black market already in California to get the really glossy car finishers that racers and hot rodders love using banned paint.

@duerf5826 5 лет назад

Damn that sucks. I quite like lacquer.

@counterculturecycles1860 5 лет назад

Nice video being in the auto restoration business for a long time I can tell u why the temp is important. It's not that it wont cure it's about the time it takes and the adhesion can be effected

@horaceworblehat317 5 лет назад

What type of paint systems do you use? I would guess mostly solvent based 2K but would be really interested in knowing if water based is used much (I worked for the company that makes the Sikkens line for auto refinish)

@counterculturecycles1860 5 лет назад

@@horaceworblehat317 in my career I've sprayed more than 20 different lines if it's out there I've shot it right now my shop is spraying metalux

@horaceworblehat317 5 лет назад

good old fashioned high VOC basecoat/clearcoat.....thanks for the reply

@DavidRamirez-ww5kv 4 года назад

Good test results. I also find the Vallejo primer to work best. You can sand the Vallejo primer but you need to let it cure for at least 24 hours or longer. This is what I did on a 1/48 spitfire and it sanded just fine.

@renaudst-hilaire9938 5 лет назад

Thanks for the awesome video, lots of useful infos in there!

@saltykrug 4 года назад

Thanks for the tips and info! I'm ordering some primer tomorrow as a matter of fact. I don't like the pre primed minis. I scrub them off with soapy water & just don't remember the paint working as well as it did when i brushed it on 30-34 years ago.

@drybrusheverything3034 5 лет назад

You do every topic better than all of the rest. What a bloody great channel you have. Also, listen to new Black Tongue.

@Miniac 5 лет назад

SLUDGY AF yeah boiiiiiiiiiiiiii

@creilly2686 5 лет назад

Hey Miniac love the video, but I have had very good coverage using Krylon primers. But I have always used their Ultra Flat Black Primer. I still had a lot of the detail remain and awesome paint adhesion. Just a thought brother, keep up the awesome work.

@Bagocat 5 лет назад

I commend your efforts! This is a lot of work!

@Gastinio 5 лет назад

KREATOR! KREATOR! KREATOR! Sorry, coming from the birthplace of that marvellous band I had to do this. Keep up the excellent work my man Scott!

@TheRunesmythe 5 лет назад

Having worked with Vallejo Surface Primer quite a bit, I would like to add something; if you're going to sand it, you should give it roughly 24 hours to cure fully. Before that, yeah, it kind of tears off in bits and chunks but after that time, I've sanded it with absolutely no problem. As for the idea of temperature and humidity affecting primer, it really does depend on both the brand of primer and the material the miniatures are made from; if there's any possibility of shrinking and/or expanding, you can wind up with some pretty nasty cracks in the cured primer. While I've never had it happen (I use an airbrush), I have seen the aftermath on other people's miniatures.

@NemesisJanus 5 лет назад

I recently happened upon a case of the now discontinued Plasti-kote Black Super Primer and that stuff is amazing.

@Althos66 5 лет назад

I'm always gonna go with Stynylrez but its nice knowing there are other options, now if I only knew which masking tape to use.

@witchitahable 5 лет назад

One interesting test I’ve always been interested in is a comparison with no primer. Coming from scale modelling it’s not uncommon, when dealing with a pure styrene model, to not bother with primer and just lay down a solid undercoat of typically flat black from an airbrush. Especially for those using non water based paints (mr hobby, Tamiya etc). Based on my own experience a layer of Tamiya paint undercoats smoothly, has no issues with paint adhesion over it and once hit with a typical coat of gloss then Matt varnish I’ve not seen any difference in Wear between primed and simple undercoated.

@alexthibodeau979 2 года назад

As a scale modeler too, I think it really depends on what you are working on. I use vallejo primers (brush applied, no airbrush), and they are far better for smaller scaled models than in 1/35 with a lot of flat surfaces while Tamiya is a much better primer for airbrushing and flat surfaces. Really hard to objectively find the best primer out there.

@ZachC-130 5 лет назад

Hey Scott I would love to see a video similar to this one but using the citadel sprays such as mephiston red, blue, averland sunset, death guard green etc.

@graynoble4795 3 месяца назад

DUDE!!!!! I literally shot Mt Dew through my nose with the "JUST DOOOOOOO IT!!!!" Clip lol!!! Thank you for the laugh!!!

@calveras86 4 года назад

Love your video editing with crazy transitions 🤣🤣🤣🤣

@maxschmidt666 5 лет назад

So if I want to have paint stick on primer, I take Vallejo. And if I want to have primer stick on plastic, I avoid Vallejo. Help me...

@srdjandimic5035 4 года назад

use vallejo spray paint primer:)

@piece1309 4 года назад

I’ve only ever used vallejo primer brushes on. Never had a problem.

@petricell 4 года назад

Mission Models Primer!!!!

@youtousim 4 года назад

Spray Vallejo primer on top of Badger primer

@xenoterracide 4 года назад

base coat in stynelrez, cover in vallejo

@AnonymousOtters 5 лет назад

Huh, I've always used Vallejo, usually the grey. I was initially quite surprised by the tape adhesion test, but, after thinking about it, I have occasionally had it chip when I threw a bunch of freshly primed minis in a box before painting.

@marcuscordova5717 4 года назад

I appreciate your videos. I just painted my first model Saturday

@bettsdn 5 лет назад

"Just.... DOOOOOOO IIIIIIIIIIIT" lololololol Your vids are seriously informative and have helped me improve my painting skills immeasurably. But the honest reason I watch your uploads first out of all the mini painters I follow, is because you're metal AF.

@TheNulloverride 5 лет назад

Try the Krylon camouflage paint. That stuff has been effing amazing for me for the walking dead and dungeon saga minis I've done. I've also had good luck with their white flat paint.

@johnj7031 5 лет назад

Scott AMAZING video brother! Thanks for that! Question though where did you get your square blocks of metal from?!

@mayren1313 5 лет назад

you are a maverick and badass and thank you sooo much for this testing and sharing with us.

@EvilEye501 5 лет назад

For an airbrush primer I'd like to recommend Mr. Surfacer by Gunze Sagyo. It comes in grey, white and black, it's extremely durable and sandable and it has very good coverage. Also the levelling thinner they make turns it into priming easy mode. It's lacquer based though, so wear a mask.

@SinnerJ 5 лет назад

For aerosol, I've been using Army Painter and has worked well so far. Vallejo for airbrush.

@Akumatron 5 лет назад

I have fallen in love with the badger primers myself. They are pretty good.

@bluedotdinosaur 5 лет назад

In my experience the problem with Vallejo primer is that it just doesn't cure right if it's brushed on, no matter how you brush it. And it's extremely tempting to brush because of how perfectly smooth and self-leveling it is. I've had good experiences if I airbrush it on, and then make sure it cures in a dry place for at least 72 hours. For example, when properly cured, Vallejo has even feather-sanded properly for me - something that it just won't do if it's brushed on, or doesn't cure in low humidity conditions. However one area where Vallejo primer is essential (again in my tests) is on Reaper's bones plastic. Vallejo is flexible enough it won't crack and it adheres OK to bones material. I have found that Badger's Stynlrez does brush on well and adheres OK if you allow it to cure properly. Stynlrez is however hands down the best touch up primer I've ever used. It absolutely does not dry with bubbles or clog detail, and is perfect for mashing in to hard to reach places that spray can't reach. It's really great for getting down into molded details like vents and grills. Finally while I know the aerosol video is coming, there is one mainstream rattle can I've found that IMO is amazing: Rustoleum's "Painter's Touch" line of primer. Painter's Touch specifically bonds to plastic and is safe for it (says so on the can). Like so many others, it does not work well on flexible Bones but everything else is good. What makes Painter's Touch great is that it does not obscure detail. It looks very wet when it goes on, but over the next 48 hours as it cures it massively shrinks and contracts. It also feathers away smoothly when sanded. As a word of caution, Painter's Touch may feel as if it is remaining very faintly tacky for over a day on plastic, but don't panic. It absolutely cures to a rock-hard surface with a texture paint adheres to. It just takes two to three days for its solvents to completely evaporate.

@roberthaddon5069 5 лет назад

Great video as usual, Scott. The problem I have with Badger primer is airbrush clean-up. It really seems to gum up my airbrush much more so than my Vallejo primers. Anybody else have this problem? I do like the plastic adhesion of Badger though, or, more specifically, the resin adhesion.

@MrLongboarder87 4 года назад

Great testing and filming. One thing I wanted to mention, from an aerospace painter, is that temperature and humidity play a huge roll in the way paint and primer spray and cure. Now this is only important if your parts are actually taking real world abuse. If you can paint your miniatures in weather you would be comfortable wearing jeans and a tshirt, 60 to 100 degrees roughly. Let them cure in 70 to 100 degrees. Does this really matter? Who knows, they are just toys in the end but we all want the best looking miniatures with the best long term durability. The one thing I never see miniature painters do is use a hair blow dryer to set and help speed the curing process. When it’s cold or humid paint inside or in a heated garage, cure inside.

@larsnordstrom364 5 лет назад

great video as always. subscribing because of the Kreator shirt \m/

@konradalexander7561 5 лет назад

Could you do a guide about good gloss/satin/matt varnish brand?

@xenoterracide 4 года назад

I want this

@SquareViking 3 года назад

Scott: Just as adorable in 2018 as he was in 2015. I've been hooked ever since I started gearing up for making a Drukhari army.

@Umi0 5 лет назад

Only things for me was not including Rustoleum and not including metal miniatures. Rustoleum worked pretty well for me so far and have seen it recommended quite a few places, but wish I knew how well it stacked up (since I'm still new to this so don't have the experience to say I like it more than X, Y, or Z brand). The other things is that there's a lot of minis out there that are metal, so it'd be interesting to know how good some of these brands are at adhering to metal instead of plastic.

@mtvdood67 5 лет назад

u da best scott (your patch on my jacket is quite the showstopper v;)

@williamwinn948 5 лет назад

What was the drying time you used on the primers before you did your test? I use Vallejo and found it best for what i do

@falciferlmf148 5 лет назад

Very informative. Like the methodology you employed. Can't wait for the brush video... Hail and Kill!

@heikoabeyer 5 лет назад

I don't know if anyone already told you: You're crazy! :D (But awesome! Thanks a lot for that amount of effort!)

@Rosstafa 5 лет назад

I use vallejo primers mostly, and I have encountered issues with durability. They really need a while to fully cure, at least 24 hours, but even then it's not as tough as Citadel. It peels off instead of sanding well like Citadel does. I have had a lot of issues with Citadel primers in hot or cold weather too - particularly Corax White. It can become dusty or clump up in certain conditions, it seems.

@BulletBishopByron 5 лет назад

I also live in Minnesota. I have been priming in the winter for years. No problems.

@Whorabl3 5 лет назад

It's not where the model is cured that's the issue, it's the fact that the paint comes out inconsistently when it is sprayed in suboptimal conditions causing issues such as speckling or powdering. If you put your primer can in warm water before use and make sure you shake it really well, you'll notice a marked difference during winter sprays and especially with paints like Corax White. All due respect and you're vids are excellent!

@3djooboy 5 лет назад

I'd agree with your conclusions on Vallejo (i use that all the time, black, grey and white). I found that vallejo primer is a much more plastic and takes a lot longer to cure properly but it does suffer from "tearing off" in sheets as it's a film of plastic (anyone who's tried to sand/clean mold lines on a Wizkids pre-primed model will have experienced this. I usually leave my primed stuff to one side for a week in my warm dry office to really set helps. I've found that especially on wizkids models and reaper bones (as they are very flexible) vallejo works great as it will bend and flex rather that flake off. On metal models that i haven't properly keyed the surface on though it will literally rub off with my finger.

@JH_1981 5 лет назад

I've been trying to figure out how Wizkids paints their Heroclix figures for 2 years. I want to create some custom Heroclix figures either out of an epoxy resin or high temp urethane (so they don't bend like putty in car heat like current figures) but wasn't sure how to paint my figures to have as strong a paint job as the factory versions. I thought maybe they were using some type of UV cure epoxy paint system, based on how well the paint stays on the figures for years when tumbling around in players' boxes. Let me know if you have any tips

@michaelr3226 5 лет назад

I tried your test but for one it was too lengthy for me. It also was relatively unclear what you were looking for. Perhaps next time have a quick summary of your experiment because when I say what you had done and what your were looking for, it became clearer why the poll was used. Awesome work and keep it up! You are easily one of my favorite mini painting channels.

@todsmith6591 5 лет назад

bro, you def deserve commission for all that work you did. I'm a badger fan as well just to toss my piece of shrapnel out there.

@TheTurbanatore 5 лет назад

Great video, now I know to use the badger primer for my Space Wolves, I just don't know if I should go for the black or white primer color, or what colors I should use for the space Wolf armor...

@justplainpsychotic 4 года назад

Not gonna lie, I just use Rust-Oleum painter's touch 2x ultra cover flat grey primer. 5$ for a 12 oz. can, sticks to plastic like I've never seen before, in the sunlight on a nice day it sinks right down onto the plastic and obscures absolutely NO details on minis, and their version of 'flat' is actually a nicer matte finish than other primers I've used. Food for thought. Thoughts as food. The usual.

@Fr0stguard 5 лет назад

My best luck with primer is the $1 quik color matte white/black from Home Depot. Has really matte finish, great stick and doesn't obscure fine details.

@jeffnoyce6449 5 лет назад

I always just assumed Vallejo was the best since everyone seems to use, but lately I have been thinking about trying a different brand. Sign me up for some Badger primer!

@LikeWeDidOutdoors 4 года назад

Old writing trick for cold cans - put them up your jumper and run on the spot a few minutes! Use slower passes too to compensate for the slower spray. I'm UK so extreme temps aren't an issue, but if it came to it I'd probably try a soft cap nozzle to mist out sluggish paint better.

@madnessbydesign1415 3 года назад

I'm surprised Krylon didn't do better. I've been using it forever, and I've never had problems. The black looks more like Citadel black's satin finish (which makes black-basing almost unnecessary), and it seems pretty resistant to damage (at least for me). To be fair, I don't have an airbrush, and I only really use Citadel paints, so that may skew my results. Still, now I'm 'primer-curious' about the others you showed... :)

@RobCrawford23 5 лет назад

If you live in a cold part of the world then make sure that the Stynylrez doesn't get close to 0C as it goes off (badger had real issues last year when deliveries were left sitting on peoples porches.) Badger were looking at reformulating Stynylrez to improve it.

@WarbrushChronicles 5 лет назад

On priming in humid / hot climates, I have to disagree with your findings. Using Army painter red during the south Texas heat after a summer storm led to “flocked” models. In addition it took some really caustic material to strip the primer off. All in all in my opinion Army painter has a hell of a product. Just be sure to use it wisely

@rog972 3 года назад

Hey Miniac, awesome video man, but could you please consider making that video on the aerosol brands down the line? I ask because, bein a total painting noobie amidst a pandemic, without an airbrush, has me running in circles for genuine good knowledge about what primer is worth its salt. Krylon, Rustoleum, Armory (white sold out everywhere/discontinued?), GW, Army Painter etc would be an absolute God send. Seems everybody hates every brand, except GW which is...coincidental amongst 40K "folk". Anyway, great videos, love em all. But a good comprehensive primer video covering aerosol brands would fill a major gap in my knowledge, without forcing me to buy them all (Please don't make me buy the $30 GW ;~;)

@The_DorkLord 4 года назад

I've had problems with my vallejo primer coming off the plastic, and I thought I had just been doing something wrong, but now I know that it wasn't just me

@dannyh5540 3 года назад

YOU SHOULD NEVER PRIME IN HUMIDITY!!! Believe me I live in FL and unless you like little bumps all over your model you don't prime in humidity (same goes for spray lacquer; NEVER DO IT!) I have 'tested' this curing indoors and to my chagrin models were ruined. MN humidity 'scoffs'. I should state that I use Army Painter and as long as there is low or no (Better) humidity it comes out smoother and sharper than any other brand I've used (Krylon, Rust-oleum, Citadel)... Though I am also interested in trying Vallejo hobby color spray (can)... Other than the humidity comment VERY EXCELLENT VIDEO, definitely subscribing!

@jungijunsa6311 5 лет назад

A truly amazing video! Your method is superbly scientific. I can back up almost all of these findings with anecdotal experiences. That said, I had the absolute worst priming experience with Armory. Full story: My LGS in Chicago doesn't sell rattle can primer due to county regulations. However, they do have a table setup out in the alley that you can prime at using their can of Armory White primer. So I took my Nightvault box set of dudes that were prepped, filled, filed, sanded, and textured out back and primed them on a super humid, high 70F evening. The results were complete garbage. Most of the primer seemed to have dried in the air and brushed off leaving this horrid texture. The places that were actually covered obscured so much detail. After a good 30min of working with it, nothing turned out good enough to be painted. I had to strip off all the primer, putty, green stuff and start over. I do not know how old the can was and neither did the employee, but I shook it up for ages to get it to sound 'right' before spraying. So I guess the moral is, don't trust a can you didn't procure yourself? Or more importantly, if it isn't working, just stop and walk away.

@FuelsModels 4 года назад

I’ve been trying badger but I’m having problems with tip dry almost immediately upon beginning to spray it. I’m using an iwata revolution with a .5 nozzle at or just below 30psi. Any recommendations on stopping this?