The Best VR Headset Is Half Off 

You know, I have a Quest Pro collecting dust on my shelf. You know why? Because a firmware update bricked the controllers. I'm watching this video going "Yeah, sure would be nice if I had a working Quest Pro, WOULDN'T IT?"

Thank you MrBoner for filling me DEEP with content today.

the attention to detail of your model reflecting on the shiny surfaces was a nice touch, awesome video!

Really cool small detail of editing your avatar into the reflections of the headset and table! I can tell a lot of effort is put into these vids!

Thanks, Boneless! Another great video. I notice a number of people on VR Chat with Quest Pro for the eye and face tracking, which I really agree is a fantastic part of the immersive experience. Thanks for showing your current setup and telling us honestly about your challenges, as they really help us understand that there is no "silver bullet" (yet) to having a flawless VR social interactions. Love the content and please keep it coming! Cheers!

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Awesome editing, loved seeing your avi reflected in the Quest Pro! It's little touches like that that set your channel apart from most other VR content IMO

Thank you for standing up for the quest pro, half the people I talk to act like it’s a plague, when in reality it’s one of the most reasonable headsets by price to date currently with its feature set

Also, I will say, the controllers have had a series of updates over the past few month or two, that has seemed to significantly improve my controller issues

I frequently watch my uncle's house for him while he's gone on vacation, and he lives in a big log cabin with plenty of play space for VR, but the whole house is dark logs that light does not bounce well off of, and I found trying to play a session of VR with the pro controllers starting in the living room (where the most logs are visible) the Quest Pro controllers just cannot handle it. But if I start off my session in the kitchen at their house, where there's a nice marbled countertop and lots of contrast for the pro's to see when they wake up... they track completely fine! I can then move back to the other room and they keep tracking A ok. Definitely starting your tracking with good contrast is vital!

I am more of a VR gamer rather than a social vr user, so I am loving the quest 3, but this video is very informative and shows Meta Quest Pro in a new light. Thanks

Bro the tip about the hotspot just made my day, I moved recently and the wifi in my home was located on the other side of the house causing issues for vr. Now I can play vr without stutters.

Noo don’t do this to me. lol I had a quest pro briefly, and set my avatar up for face tracking, but in the end I didn’t keep the headset because I found it uncomfortable and I preferred quest 3 (with index controllers and fbt), but now I’m really missing the quest pro face tracking again

Thank you for making my Quest Pro feel better about itself. It didn’t ask to be born without a depth sensor 🥺 I do use my Quest 3 more now, especially with the BOBOVR headstrap with the facial interface taken off, but I love using my Pro for anything social 😊

Also, the panels are about 20ppd (same amount of pixels as Quest 2 but you can actually see them, Quest 3 is about 22ppd) but the Quest Pro has the same panels as the Pimax Crystal concerning all but resolution. Got these beautiful blacks (same amount of dimming zones) and insane color accuracy for an image that looks way better than Quest 3 did to me. Of course, compression will ruin that a little bit, but the optics are insanely good, even tough the resolution could (should) have been 20% higher or so.

love the mixed reality tiny avi shots in this vid!

w content keep up the work, i love the editing and information that you provide with your videos

globular clusters are a concept in astronomy. they are roughly spherical and close groupings of very old stars and we have a few of them in our galaxy. the brand's logo actually ends up being pretty cute with this in mind!

Question, what have you used to mount the tracker onto the quest pro? Seems you got a easy clip on clip off solution where as I made a entire 3D printed thing but its not perfect and yours looks way easier to put it on and take it off again

Hey Boneless, how does Bigscreen Beyond compare? Also, where does Pico 4 pro fit in this, hear it's the best headset with everything you'd want for vrchat, with eye and face tracking. Very few headsets having that nowadays means a lot since they discontinued that from Vive facetracking product. Just curious as to how good the Pico 4 Pro stands since when I did a bit of research, it had better stats than a LOT of other premium headsets

I bought a quest 3 a few months ago and i just put it on my shelf, it wasnt till i got bored and decided to use it that i realized how good of a purchase that was. I use the thing almost every day when it gets late

im just gonna appreciate you putting your avi's reflection on the quest pro about a minute in, damn that was cool

where did you get the mount for the tracker on your headset? or did you make it?

You're such an underrated youtuber man, keep up everything you do

Given the fact that you have used the Varjo Aero before, has the decrease in resolution bothered you at all?

great review honestly, sums up all my ups and downs with the headset!

Finally started looking into VR again. Have a rift s in my closet collecting dust because it black screened and made static noises one day and just never worked again. No matter what I tried. From an everyday VR user to being in a headset maybe 5 times in the last couples years. I miss playing

on top of Foveated Compression, you can use HEVC for even better quality at low bitrates

brand new to VR here, just received my quest pro last week. finally setup eyetracking for VRchat, just curious which microphone you purchased that attaches to your headset? stoked to finally dive into VR👀

Yo yo , awesome vid as always ! Q pro is the only one I have not tested yet. But out of Q2 and Q3 my Pico 4 is supreme for my use. Dance fbt :D... Sometimes I wish I had eye tracking but hopefully in future pico headset ;) Again ty for sharing. But going for a pro and all your upgrades what price tag have you spent on the pro so far? (the controller issue freaked me out to say hell no)

After starting out with a Oculus Rift CV2 I got a used Meta Quest Pro - mainly for the eye and facial tracking. With the closed off Rift where I couldn't see my surroundings I quickly got motion sick and couldn't really stand up while moving in VR. Eversince using the Quest Pro without the face shields those problems have completely vanished. I don't think I will ever buy a VR-headset again without an open frame (and eye and face tracking of course).

Having owned one for a few months, I can say beyond having to have a tundra tracker sticking off mine love the thing.

i got a quest pro off ebay several months back and to this day, it's still one of the BEST headsets ive used for social vr

Thanks for the vid! I've been happy with my quest 3. I use virtual desktop so I can stay wireless with pc/vr. The bobovr m3 head strap with the batteries are awesome with it too.

man I can't wait to get full face tracking eventually!! I saw you also ordered some Limestone slimes from Rosdayle too :D mine are in production now and I'm so excited

Why you have vive tracker on the headset? Is it the headset tracking that bad? I need to know because I about to buy one as well and a full body tracker

Link to the tracker mount on your quest pro?

Quest Pro in the UK on Amazon new is £550 and you can sometimes pick one up second-hand from places like Gumtree for as little as £350 factory sealed, I picked mine up for £300

Good vid, very informative

Kinda wish I was able to do wireless with my QPro. My controllers only work properly if the wifi is disconnected. With wifi, they randomly disconnect. I don't mind the cable all that much, so it's whatever I guess, but dang.

I tried really hard to enjoy the quest pro but sent it back before my return window closed, ended up caving in to get the Aero instead and felt like it has less compromises for me after some modding to it. Im certainly feeling nervous now though because the Aero and its tether are discontinued so its days are now numbered. If my Aero did Kick it though Id probably run back to a quest pro if It actually is half off at some point 🤔

I think The Verge was right though. as a headset for the introduction price, the Quest Pro had a ton of things missing and faults compared to the cheaper quest 2 with kit upgrades for half the price. On top of that, the user base it was made for wasn't an enthusiast market but people with little to no VR experience. The Quest Pro really got shafted by the plan to market it as meta's web3 Rolls-Royce. I'm happy to see that the enthusiast community has found it a good and useful home instead.

i have quest pro controllers with my quest 2, and they are really good but sometimes they do start tracking weirdly but rarely, but do take time to figure out where they are when first turning them on

NOT GONNA LIE THIS VIDEO IS GREAT And actually made me consider getting a quest pro. Keep up the good work these videos are great!!!

yeah, thanks for this video… I have a quest 2 and was thinking to upgrade to the 3, but after contemplating about all the options, the pro looks the best for the money and the eye and face tracking is what you will not get with anything else yet, I just worry about the resolution and the passthrough camera quality, does it have depth sensor? is the passthrough 3D? how does it compare to the quest 3 passthrough?

Played pavlov on a vr demo arcade at a mall on a valve index and a vive cosmos. Never had motion sickness and when I got an old quest 1 only motion sickness I've ever experienced was standing on a moving platform for the first month.

what you talking about i spent last night several hours with my steamlink quest 2 and pro controllers, and even weeks before that, they rarely do anything weird, and even then they are slightly misaligned which happens super rare, 20 second restart of controller and it will work long time, also for battery bank, anything 10k maH or maybe even 20k and capable of fast charge will be great for LONG sessions, use small belt bag to hold it, then put on slimevr and great allnighter is guaranteed!

Quest Pro is my daily driver for VRC. I have a similar neck battery as well. And yes I got those same globular cluster pads as well. The controller issues are a bit weird. Some times they work fine, but then there's an update and causes problems like overheating or tracking problems, but then there's another update that fixes it. And then another update happens and causes same problems...and the cycle continues.

wait the index cable is fragile? i feel like ive stepped on it alot pulled on it a bit and ive had it for a little over 2 years, maybe they made it better? no idea lol

I got the pro controllers for use on the Q2 and my first pair got stuck boot looping on the left one after a month of use. The second pair i got in exchange (in store which is nice because no wait time for shipping) have worked fine for me aside from SteamVR thinking my index finger is always on the capacitive sensor on the trigger. I've talked with pro owners about them and they have nothing good to say so i may just be lucky or its how they pair with the pro vs the Q2 idk. also "Hey Bonelesh

I got 3 vr options. Can Anyone here tell me whats the best out of all 3? 1st option is the pimax light. 2nd is the big screen beyond. 3rd is the varjo aero ( I don’t play vr chat or flight simulator at all and I dont give 2 shits about body tracking )

The main thing I've seen with the quest pro on vrchat is the mic sucks. Otherwise it's great if you want eye and face tracking without having to get extra hardware or mod stuff

you can hotspot from your pc for reliable wireless vr? Dang have to try that out right now

Whenever the controllers get confused on where they are, I've found it helps to cover all three cameras for a bit, then uncover them, but even that isn't 100% going to fix it all the time. The biggest issue I have with the controllers is overheating. I'll constantly get warnings in my headset saying "your controllers are too hot and will power off if heating continues!" so there have been times where I take the controllers off and set them on a laptop cooling pad while using scuffed hand tracking. Honestly I just use my index controllers with it so whatever.

Be aware, the Quest Pro has some issues with sweat where it will kill the face tracker because moisture will just pool at the bottom.

Im currently on and off with the Quest Pro and the Beyond, on one hand I want a full immersive experience, but I also want full face tracking, while the Quest Pro is cheaper, the other expenses that I need, like the external battery packs and the extra tracker, make it feel like the price difference isnt even a valid arguement anymore. But then also couple the fact that face tracking on the Beyond is.. well how it is currently, I'm not sure if I can put in the work to get the same quality that the Quest Pro has

6:42 i need to learn how to do this, I don't care how it would look, I just need something that'll at least track a part of my face

Is the controllers cheaper?

Your name makes me so unreasonably hungry. There's this local shop here that sells premium "Boneless Bangus" (deboned milkfish) and everytime I see you in my feed I just keep on thinking about boneless bangus

Sorry I just bought my BigScreen beyond and I love how it’s amazingly comfortable and the colors on resident evil 7 blew me away. Plus pimax crystal light is on the way and I might be getting that vr headset as well for a backup incase my beyond’s displays get burn in. Probably not ideal getting a little vr headset like the Beyond and also having big Pimax crystal light

ever heard of a quest 3 and pulley system?

I want my VR experience from someone else's eyes to look like that I am in a very Cyberpunk dystopian machine

Foveated encoding and modern codecs won't solve the issue of video encodes being 4:2:0 chroma subsampled, it will look image quality wise worse than native video signal.

i don't know why, but the bit at 6:43 sent me. i did NOT expect the cut at all.

thanks to this videos i bought mine for $720 new(including shipping) or $700(without shipping) and i love it. theres also an another offer for "preloved" for $600 that i jokingli haggle and they settle around $530. its temting to get it on that prices until i realized about the battery inside of it(especially the controller) might already be bad or still good but will provide problem later on because i dont know how its been abused before on my hand so yeah after back and forth,my mom came in and suggest all that implications and we settles on the new still sealed box instead oh also somehow i dont see the problem many quest pro owners about the front foam pad causing headache,well its kind of uncomfortable at stock,but after i reversed the back foam pad upside down its just comfy(well minus the sweat,had to improvise to stop sweats on the foam since the foam is plastic basically) and i dont need extra straps or that buckle styled thing in the middle thanks boneless for the recomendations xD you got be buy this thing instead of quesy 3(wich surprisingly qpro resomates with what i do more than quesy 3)

someone gets it! I dont wanna blind myself with ir emitters ahhhhhh I have been hesitant to buy a pro but grabbed a leap motion for lip tracking... (project babble)

i dont even know how to picture motion sickness. im so immune to it

The PSVR2 HMD sounds like it is right for you (once PC support is added). It is better in every way to Meta Pro except for face tracking (it has eye tracking though).

As an Index user, I can confirm the cable is as fragile as an uncooked pasta noodle.

As someone who has used both the Pro and Quest 3, I agree that the quest pro definitely has some huge edges up on the quest 3, but just for visual clarity, standalone power, and convenience, I would definitely reccomend the quest 3 before the pro, that being said, if you're leaning more towards PC VR, the quest pro is definitely a contendor.

I am sirious, if someone were to take the displays and pass through cameras and depth sensor and chipset from the quest 3 and put them into the quest pro, it could actually compete with the apple vision pro

another way to get rid of motion sickness is, go fishing on a boat, at least 8 hours a day for a week straight, you'll do fine.

I went from a Vive to a quest 3, mainly because how much easier it is to have quick sessions. If I could have gotten a quest pro I would have 1000% but I couldnt afford it

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I gotta admit, this didn't really sell me on this headset at all. I see where you're coming from and I do respect some of the features mentioned, but all this is telling me is to either continue to wait for the next generation of headsets, or cave and get a quest 3. At this point though I'm leaning toward the former. That said, appreciate however that you didn't just sing its praises. You made sure to explain the faults as well and that made me want to listen to your input far more.

I think I understand the title of the video. You're actually talking about your personal choice of what the best VR headset would be.

This has been one of the better headsets I've owned. I would like to point out that scratching the lenses on this thing is very easy, so use a proper cleaning cloth and blow the dust off it when you do wipe them. As for the controllers, I have fairly good luck with them not freaking out (most of the time), and if they lose their sense of position I just cover the cameras for a few seconds and it forces the controller back into the right orientation. I do sleep in it, and it is surprisingly more comfortable and durable than my index despite being cheaper (only £600 from amazon a year ago). For avatars with face tracking, I signed up for Haï's Patreon for their FaceTra shape creator, it's pretty easy to add it to any avatar already owned. I can't go back to not having face tracking now, and it is a must-have for future headsets down the road.

Now im having trouble deciding between this or big screen beyond

I went years with my index since launch because I never could find a headset that I truely thought was an upgrade. I have to say, buying a quest pro 4 months ago has been pretty great. I do wish the controllers were not so wishy washy. I've had the "overheat" bug a few times now, and it's incredibly annoying. I use ALVR to stream steam VR, which I find to be a nice compromise between Virtual desktop and Steam Links strengths. Plus the index controller emulation for the quest pros allows me to still flip people off and peacesign/finger gun. My only major complaint is that it's impossible to keep the headset from dying if you have face and eye tracking enabled. Something people should be warry of. With brightness at like 75%, a 200mbps stream quality, and a 40,000mAh external battery, the best I've ever gotten was 9ish hours without a recharge. I know it's rare to want to spend that much time in VR, but sometimes the night is just a vibe, and it sucks to have it killed by that. I have this battery mounted on the back of the HMD, and even with this chonker on here and the headset weighing 1.4kg, it still feels 10x more comfortable than my index ever was for me. I was considering a beyond, but with all the RMA issues I was scared off. The quest 3 looked promissing, but I was already running ETVR and VRCFT on my index so I didn't want to loose that... the quest pro was the natural choice. 7/10 headset... would buy again

the vive tripod ontop looks wayy goofy ❤

just checked ebay - even in Australia 2nd hand quest pros are pretty cheap... sold my quest 2 when i was planning on moving internationally, once again getting the itch to sit in a dingy corner in vr chat for hours on end awkwardly staring people down. I think the quest pro will be my next thing.

I want it for face tracking so bad! I've got a Pico 4 and really love it. Maybe one day Pico will get face tracking (in something other than their enterprise headsets) and then will truly be perfect!

i used to think i wasted money on my quest pro but ever since i got a extra tracker for the headset i changed my mind on it. its the best pcvr if u want face and eye tracking and being i got it for 550 its a crazy bang for the dollar.

Bought mine for $500 pre owned, for that price, you really can't beat it. Loved using it.

ok that impression at 4:44 made me laugh.

Lmao this video comes out a day after I get my own 🤣

Can’t wait for the valve deckard, it’s really getting my deck hard

I play on Quest 2 on PC VR with cable and its fun, sure its not as good as other vr on paper but you forget you are looking at worse graphics after a while and stop noticing it

I ended up choosing the Quest 3 as my upgrade (From Quest 2) instead of the Quest Pro, but man it was a hard choice.

The one thing I hate with the Quest Pro so far is the audio is bad. Its just awful. I don't want to wear headphones. Why can't people just make good audio, Valve did it.

no way you made your own reflection in the headset

Lmao the Quest 3 clears, like literally

yeah the pro controller is great only when it decides to work I bought a pair of them thinking it would be great replacement for the quest2 controllers it felts great at first: I can just grab pistol slides and rack them without the controller ring smacking at each other in most shooters, I can pose however I like in vrchat without the controllers lost track the second it moves out of the headset's camera then v63 or v62 came up and the controller suddenly refuses to work: it overheats itself all the time, claiming I'm playing under sunlight or something despite I'm an indoor weeb, lost tacking every other 3 minutes resetting the thing only temporary fix it and it revets to shitting itself after an hour or so it's a nightmare and it cost me like $200😩

The only comfortable headset out of the box is the Pico 4, i own a quest 2 and rift CV1 and none of them are as comfortable as the pico, i also tried the HTC vive, hololens 2 and quest 3, none of them were comfortable

Dat neck battery is peak af omfggg lmaooo

I'm just gonna wait for brain chips

That’s pretty fucking awesome that it does foveated rendering. I’m going to be severely disappointed if PSVr2 does not utilize this when it gets Pc support.

Well I upgraded my reliable Rift S VR headset to the Quest 3. I got all my valuable information from other SIM racers. The Quest 3 is very good for me and doing SIM racing. The Quest 3 for me has good lenses, good color passthrough, and I connect it to my PC via USB link cable. My SIM racing games look very well to me. I have a flight SIM game, but right now don't do that kind of gaming Only thing I changed on my Quest 3 for more comfort is going to the BoboVR S3 Pro head strap. plus the BoboVR S3 provides a larger capacity battery for the Quest 3. I will stay with the Quest 3 for quite a while. META is always updating the Quest 3 with improvements and games I have tried other tethered VR headsets over the years, and were disappointed in them for different reasons. Take care.

anker cables are the best ones ive heard

Once eye tracking is implemented on the next headset the pro will be all but obsolete.