The big problem with how we pick juries 

In Chicago (and most places outside the south) it would be pretty easy to tell a black person by their voice.

Yeah, although it doesn't hold true for every single person, it's pretty easy to tell if someone is African American from their voice. And it's not just the accent, it's something about the actual voice itself (sorry, I don't know the technical terms). I mean think about making phone calls, I can often tell when someone is African American without ever having met them. Putting potential jurors behind a screen might help a little bit, but it wouldn't completely solve the problem.

@@klalakomacoi Written answers maybe?

@@klalakomacoi Voice disgusing software. But I like that idea Esme! That's a great idea!

@@AdeleiTeillana Not always the case though

he was just a kid and they were grown men. it was awful.

They should just have people who know the law

The men also confessed to the crime right outside the courthouse right after they were acquitted. Sold the story to the press on the courthouse steps. Couldnt be tried again because of double jeopardy.

@@XboxUnitD77 yeah I just wrote that

Also if you didn't know the people who killed emit actually wrote a book confessing that they killed him because of his race and made money and because they had already been convicted (at that time you could not be charged with the same crime twice) so they profited of the murder as well

Bigbang is your bias’s bias and you know it heyyyyyy kpop fan

Wow a year later they care because of a video

Not just disturbing but disgusting

And they even chose neighbors of the defendants to be the jury. Like??

you should see the pictures of him in his casket ,, truly horrible racism in this world.

I don't see why the race of the jury matters. I guess by their facts, they're just saying blacks are willing to protect one of their own.

@Asma Koshin If this is true of whites, it would be true of blacks as well.

Asma Koshin how can u back up the statement, that’s racist to assume that all white people would lock someone up solely based on their skin color

I’d say we live in a post-racist society in America where the majority speaks for anti-racism. However we do live in a race based society, as in we still live with prejudice and ideas of race in the back of our minds whether we like it or not. There is no person in America who is “colorblind,” we all see race and we all associate different races with different attributes and that’s where the problem in American lies. No one is willing to acknowledge the fact that Americans are being indoctrinated with ideas of stereotype and prejudice towards different peoples. Not only that, but many of these racist institutions of the past still exist today such as ghettos and over policing which actively work to prohibit POC from advancing in progress. I mean so long as their is a wealth divide, there will be a race divide as the history of America and white supremacy have made race and wealth a one on one link.

It is because its illegal. You can never change the way someone is tou shouldn't want to. But you can make laws to protect people from being physically hurt for no reason. There's lots of laws like that.

His corpse might be resisting arrest. /s

Inner hate against black because he is racist fell.

He wasn't thinking.

@@shlomosilversteinberg5785 How was he a threat?

@@shlomosilversteinberg5785 he only have a goddamn knife. He already walk away from the police with a knife. A KNIFE. IS HE A MOTHAFUKIN KNIFE THROWER?! Sorry. It just you seems like don't understand the story

@XZDrake Yea, I gotta agree with you there. This wasn't premeditated in the traditional sense but one can assume that when racist-slime-dog-cop-boy got the call regarding this young man he decided he would shoot first, ask questions later.

Anne prove it lol

Dude Ted budy has a Netflix show 🤦

@@misaelarvizu9616 that’s ignorant to say, I’m white and I say that. I know other white people who say that. That’s not a black motto and that was ignorant to say period

@@misaelarvizu9616 like you said rap culture not black culture. They are not the same

@@certitv1937 ok whatever

Idk if you meant this in past tense but she died ages ago, she only admitted lying prior to death

@@misaelarvizu9616 Pretty sure the idea of not snitching goes back to when terrible people starting collecting in groups and doing bad things, at least tens of thousands of years ago. But then, you likely know more about groups of terrible people than I do.

Same lol

There are plenty of solutions. They just don't won't to implement them. They don't want change. Its why the justice system is still so F'd up.

It's very simple, Mr Fish Frog: You do away with juries.

The real problem isn't a lack of black jurors. It's people who don't have money. If you don't have money, you get a free lawyer that you talk to for 10 minutes the day before your trial. you will guaranteed to be convicted. Even if the accusations are false. Because your public defender doesnt have time to even tell you your rights. They just say "there's nothing I can do for you exept get your sentence reduced."

@@justinrohrer9952 the public defender does tell you your rights. if they didnt, most people convicted would be able to get out citing inadequate counsel. what they DO, however, is strongly encouraged you to accept a plea. over 90% of incarcerated folks accepted the plea regardless of guilt.

Keep seething, weirdo.

No, suh

I was a pre-AP English teacher in a very low-income, overwhelmingly-predominate African American district in a suburb of a major city in the South. TKAM was in our curriculum. It was a sensitive subject but, luckily, my AP kiddos were very nature and civil and it lent itself to really great discussions. As a white, (then) blond and blue-eyed woman, students were sometimes scared to use terminology or bring up a point but we got around it. Since this was going on during the "black boys in black hoodies" era, those conversations were essential and being able to connect the fiction to the present reality, work through anger, and talk about it with others outside of the classroom was a great step in improving relations with one another. I was so proud of those angry, angry children.

@Minecart Rider You're not helping non-white people with that racist crap. You don't fight racism with more racism.

@@minecartrider7057 yeah listen to this guy ^^^

So some of them were black?

Anton Helsgaun No, they said all of them were white.

and?

just because they were all white doesn't mean there is proof of any racism.

@@basedyoshi7253 it's a potential thing and it gives me pain

Yeah whenever police misconduct ends in a death it doesn’t age well, it wasn’t well in the first place

Except blm wasn't justified and was overly done

Strahinja Nikolic no

@@TrollingCat no

@@JesuisTheCunoAsthe the idea of it was good, but what actually happened was outrages, but it's good to see an empire crumbling from it's own stupidity, the cycle repeats itself

This comment is amazing

I agree, let's push for a final unity between our people and ignore all of the racist politicians and political speakers who try to keep us separated.

❤️

Whach my vid to see meme no one cares about your opinion

Ok and your a walking resessive trait.

Discrimination of the jury does not happen nearly enough to change the entire legal system, although I do support a change. I do think judges should be required to ask the same question to all of the jurors rather than a specific one, though. This would be fair.

I think the reason things haven’t been changed yet because it is a complicated and long process for a small* thing. *I say small but it’s all relative and compared to some very large issues it’s not top of the list

This is genius.

That's a great idea!!

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Madison Brendler-Kowal sadly

then the yellow is the lighter fluid uSED FOR BURNING THE BOOKS

Aaron the yellow is to make a area communist dumbass

@@inactive6200 You mean smurf blood?

Tf what about Asians? Are we not there

Is the pen asian?

that is just false ! Have you ever seen a video of people attacking police? Some of them take 10 bullets and wont even stop. One bullet is just enough if you hit the heart or head, but in the stress of a situation like this, you cant aim at that. The human body is insane, especially under adrenalin. Yeah you will probably die after 5-6 hits, but after minutes. This is not what stops the threat immediately

And the person in the video was walking away from the officer...

Gamer Roemer ok mate clearly you know nothing about guns.

You should've seen the video, after 2 shots he fell to the ground withering in pain. But the officer just continued to shoot him even after his body stopped moving

It was excessive! The guy was walking away from the police officer, why shoot him 16 Times? He wasn’t even attacking...

I agree with your opinion

@@squarerootof2 you see how you all of a sudden felt attacked hahah you must be a white male

Yeah sure, but it was the time of racist America, not happy time fun

@@zoeman7720 I mean, he just comparing two equally disgusting cases and saying ones worse. You're the one who just attacked him.

@@squarerootof2 true. Black people do worse things to white people than vice versa.

This is late but thank u for your service

They aren't broken, they are working as designed.

Here's one: A defendant whose lawyer is appointed is given the same amount in funds as the state gives the prosecutors. All too often justice is based on the amount of money people have.

let me introduce a term coined by Derrick Bell that will put things in perspective for you: interest convergence the only way reform will be passed, is if the the people on the opposing side (whether it be an industry, individual, whatever) gets their palms greased. there is always some kind of economic benefit to laws and reform. it is never for justice

Yeah we do. Women get sentenced a fraction as much jail time for the same crime

But for this, the citizens need to be open-minded, selfless, empathetic, and a little more turned towards science... Which a lot of Americans aren't. Just look at what's happening today in several states regarding covid.. But that's just an example.

MK I disagree. Racism isn't evil. It's irrational, based on unfounded principles, and generally self-harming. I do agree that it is a fundamentally bad practice but I question why you think only in terms of "good" and "evil" when those concepts are subjective to begin with.

Spikey Plant What are you trying to argue? Sounds like pointless excuse-making to me... 'Evil' is defined as profoundly immoral. Racism is to believe you are better than someone else based off their race. This is also known as pride. Pride is one of the seven deadly sins. Racism is inherently evil and immoral.

Racism is evil when used as the motive for murder.

MK You’re an idiot if you ever think racism can be stopped. For as long as humans walk on this planet, racism will exist, anywhere and everywhere.

@@zmc6774 The very concept of "race" did not exist as recently as the 1400s dude.

Don't give them ideas!

It is to prevent corruption

I agree with deb on paper it sounds like an idea that would help combat corruption in that on paper it would be hard for the jury to be made corrupted if they are picked at random and are put through a process to figure out if the jury would be bias That only thing I think might need to change is the lawyers ability to take out members of the jury with made up reasons

Well it fails miserably at that.

How do they do it in your country?

Exactly, I always thought this was their actual job, I was so surprised to find out they are just regular people randomly selected. It’s weird to me

Decision must be unanimous, how high is the possibility that all the jurors will decide based on if they like the person or not? Also I would like to point out the fact that that can happen with people doing it as a job.

especially the fact that you feel peer pressured to side with a certain side. If you disagree then you have no hope and you’ll just have to agree with them

@@lorandliszkai7084 if it was an actual job the jurors can be bribed by the accused’s family

That's the way the USA has decided to go. There are positives and negatives to having a jury made up of "normal" civilians. And that's why they say "you don't argue law you argue emotions". Whichever side can convince the better emotion wins the case.

Or the 60s

Ironically enough racism wasnt really a thing in medieval times. But if a woman could read she would be burned at the stake. So it wasnt exactly any better than today

Very different in the US than in Britain. Very very different, in many ways.

No, that's where you eat a hen while watching jousting

Serge Fabre 77% of the Arab world can read. But please, feel free to continue believing in your islamophobic beliefs

good on you

@@alejandromendez7185 but do you trust the people who broke the law to protect your life?

L

Just put all cops in jail.

and more of everyone.

Here come the police apologists

Its better take all raceizm out her then in real life

If that's all you took from the video then you might just be dumb bro, I dunno.

@@toussaintthomas8015 they're not wrong. There's gonna be debates. I just saw one on here lol.

Sometimes, I save my Word documents every eleven minutes instead of every ten minutes. #wild

So someone who's is a family friend of the prosecutor should get to be a juror? How do you think that will turn out?

Merc_W08 that’s cause. Dismiss with cause

There is a reason to have peremptory challenges. It’s to allow the prosecutor and defense a chance to pick a jury in their favor. That’s the entire point of all of this. Not just to find an impartial jury, but to find a jury that will allow you to win. Courts are adversarial in nature so you can’t expect jury selection not to be also.

Good luck with that.

@@amyperdue9015 if that's a reason they exist, that's a better reason they shouldn't. Why should either guilty be able to give themselves a defense based on lies and falsehood? Or innocents getting charged because of the same?

lamekidclub Surely you knew all these black people weren't angry for nothing. You knew tnere had to be some truth to what we've been saying.

@Tina Yael Severinova M. Yes! Thank you for mentioning George Stinney! People always seem to forget about him

lamekidclub this is America we are talking about. The land of the racisim, in equality, murder, corruption, death, poverty, oH aNd tHe fReE

Why is this all new to you? It's called white privileged ignorance. It's not your fault, it's shows the racist system built by whites is working...

they're misinformation

It’s a left leaning news source. There are right leaning ones as well. Both have bias and skew evidence in their favor, so ultimately it’s up to the audience to think critically and without bias about the evidence presented

+Mr Laughs What's misleading about this video?

kaneki IQ isn’t a set in stone intelligence. I could score low on an IQ test when I’m 10 and score high when I’m 30.

kaneki You're a weeaboo, no wonder you're so dumb and uneducated. It doesn't matter which race you are. What affects your ability/want/need for violence is the environment in which you grow up.

Jorge E Maybe because they represent the interests of both sides in the case?

“Why does sauce have to be on pizza?”

Because they have an equal stake in the case, so they each get strikes

Honestly was the defending lawyer can't get a better balanced jury its a failure on that lawyer's part.

Checks and balances basically.

Simo_Simo I want to say that it's not so bad, really, but. I don't blame you.

I’m Canadian. I want my own wall.

@@mandagodin5075 Come to Europe

@@mandi17simo yeah, here most people don't even care about race, it's forbidden for the government to even acknowledge race, thus in Paris racism is almost inexistant

@@Azknowledgethirsty and that's why Europe is dying

It gets weird if you start having to include every race or something. Does 1 asian mean 1 chinese person and 1 japanese person and 1 korean, or just asian in general? Are indians asians? Should native Americans be in juries? I'm not even sure I care too much about the jury themselves, there's also sometimes whether actual truth is being presented or if by technicality or straight up dishonesty it is obscured, that may go either way too, a real piece of evidence proving a murder might not have been properly signed off for in a search warrant or some such, or certain segments of police body/dashcam footage is somehow inexplicably missing. Even if you have a proper honest and properly diverse jury of peers in a courtroom, are they actually getting the true full picture? Then of course there are the laws themselves, and the sentencing decisions, what constitutes particular crimes, why do minor drug get longer sentences than cheating out taxes in the millions and then continuing to lie to investigators?

If you enforce that then you enforce racial discrimination though

Because whites and blacks are not the only 2 races in America. What about Asians for example? And in a town with say a

These racial inclusions are what's thickening the divide between races. It would be absurd to accuse someone of being biased purely because their hair colour doesn't match your own, yet it's different when it comes to skin colour? If you believe that you should be assessed and evaluated only by members of your own race/creed then you yourself are engaging in racism

Because that kind of throws a monkey wrench into it. The Ray Tensing thing was where they tried a little something like this. It ended in a mistrial because of that and other reasons

Most European countries do something like that.

The trick in Australia is you wear a collared shirt with a suit and tie and bring in a copy of the Financial Review. You'll be challenged before you even enter the box.

100%

Underrated? It has millions of views for crying out loud.

100% agree. Emptying your magazine is more like something an untrained citizen would do with a home intruder. We trust that officers are trained better than anyone else. However, there were many allegations of lack of training or poor training with the Chicago PD at the time of Laquan's murder.

Well said.

@Shawn Lawson it's written about in books such as Malcolm Gladwell's "Blink." I've also studied it at my college in classes concerning environmental politics and social studies.

@Shawn Lawson unless you have a counter-argument or a rebuttal, you might want to start using other ways to persuade a nonexistent audience than ad hominem and "common sense".

Shawn Lawson but she didn’t just read it in books she said she studied it in college

TY for your perspective. Given that finance is an issue, the cost for the working poor to have to serve on juries makes it difficult (if not, impossible) for a working poor person to be tried by a jury of their peers.

You hit the nail on the head. It's more than a huge financial hit when you are living paycheck to paycheck, or depend on life saving medications that are costly. It can literally be life or death, being deprived of income for however long the trial lasts. Couple that with the courts racketeering scheme called "Filing for lost wages". I'll explain: In my state (Indiana), it costs $80 to file for a days lost wages. Which is more than a minimum wage days wages. The amount you MIGHT get is pre-rated AT minimum wage, and averaged to 40 hours a week. They can still deny you, and then you are out that $80 AND your jobs daily wage. It doesn't just effect the poor though, if you have a good job that pays well, you are still taking a hit, being reimbursed only at minimum wage, and even if you normally worked 60-80 hours a week, you are only being paid at the rate of minimum wage at 40 hours. It's a double edged sword that screws everyone, and once again, they can still deny you, then you lose the filing fee AND your jobs normal wage. I find it funny that ALL the people in the court room telling us jurors that we have the most important job, all share the same employer: the state, and are paid handsomely, while asking US to do that "most important job" for peanuts. You get what you pay for.

How sad

There is a podcast that tells the story. Look it up its ridiculous what they done to him. Edit: its called in the dark and its season 2

joseph Ivernel and then when you get to the border they turn you away

How juries are picked is definitely an issue.

@ayy so it's better to let a single judge decide the fate each time?

@ayy That's what many continental European countries have, and that isn't that great either. It creates a class lawyers that can protect itself by a barrier of study and is intrinsically linked to the rich part of society. If ideas become fashionable in that upper class of jurists, they can find their way into the justice system without the people being judged by the system having any say in that. It's exactly what the jury system is trying to prevent.

@ayy Juries aren't just randos with elementary school education, they come from all sectors of society. The jury verdict has to be unanimous.

How are juries a problem? Do they keep delivering verdicts you disagree with?

Conservative hate-watch Vox the same way liberals hate-watch Fox. I wouldn't tak emuch stock in the up/down votes since people love to get outraged and seek out things they know they disagree with.

to be fair, Vox are the one's to blame. They've given themselves a bad reputation.

Do you think there might be a reason people do this to Vox? (There is, it's because of some terrible PC-filled misinformation videos they've made)

"PC-filled misinformation" what does this even mean? Because it just sounds like a right-wing snowflake whining about nothing.

@@BuzzLiteBeer Liberals don't mass dislike Fox news tho, lol

American police are not nationally trained. Local training programs emphasize threat and "threat" elimination almost exclusively over de-escalation. Also, if you have made the decision to shoot, you have also made the decision to kill, therefore one would empty their magazine. Bullets are cheap and police are trained to view their own lives above the lives of others, moreso than humans normally do. tldr: Locally training programs consider it cheaper to train killing than problem-solving.

@@RamdomView It is simply cheaper to execute criminals :P

@@RamdomView That is very true. Training de-escalation to normal guards is very time consuming so it is reserved for the swat team.

@@user-bl4oq7fd8d- You mean to say "summarily execute criminals". Though easier for the police, it is much more harmful to society as a whole when we choose to not reform wayward citizens.

@@RamdomView The way society is run is going to cost you. Either economical or socially. I don't live in the States but it does seem that money is chosen over people.

One Clip can hold up to nearly 20 bullets so he nearly empty the entire thing

Gabriele Genota do you know nothing about guns?

smok3d lmao

smok3d he's prob thinking about the video game pistols lmao

@@Mo-io2nx nope

BASED

Mlu007M until you get a judge paid off by private prisons like they had in Penn a few years back

I personally prefer judges to juries because I would rather have a trained professional decide someone’s fate rather than 12 random people who, even with the best of intentions, are not trained and unqualified to hand out decisions like this.

How do you want to provide a justice system that isn't based on them? How do you avoid a judge who is liable to corruption? Especially given that a huge number of American judges are elected, especially at trial court level?

There are flaws in both judge and jury system. But with the jury, when the decision is made, that is it. No one is allowed to question the members on how they came to the decision.

But what about your due process rights?

I want to know too

The man was mentally ill and the officer didn’t stop firing until his partner told him too

Maybe he was eating an apple.

Pseudynom I know right like damn

its not ironic, its the standard behavior. mentally ill people are at a far higher risk of danger than to be the cause of danger. www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/half-people-killed-police-suffer-mental-disability-report-n538371

People don't trust themselves anymore. They would rather have someone dictate everything.

@@anon8206 That's the course that leads to 1984 and Brave New World. The first thing they do is dumb the people down however they can, entertainment, exhaustion, ect.

If juries are totally random, how do you sort out inherent biases? Juries don't have to be random, they have to be unbiased, we just need a better way to accomplish that.

@@tristanmoller9498 Every human on the earth has a bias of one kind or another and every system created by humans does as well. By making jury selection as random as possible you limit the ability of manipulation of the jurors biases to the benefit of one side. Everyone has the same chance of receiving jurors that are biased towards them or not. That's as fair as we can get.

But what if by random chance a majority of the jury is biased against you?

Your utopia will never exist

Thank you brother.

@@yolosock4459 Not in the US at least

You're awesome 👍🏾

@Yolo Sock Do you actually know what utopia means? Utopias don't exist and they can't exist. It's a model of a ideal society in which direction you would want to improve the current system. Why are you so cynical? Don't you want to be treated equally and as a individual?

All lives matter! No matter the race!

MikeyGeess nobody denied that but were focusing on blm first because they’ve been treated like second class citizens for thousands of years

@@hamboogermember4232 idk where you got those likes

@Michael Gaudreau just say your racist and go

tough to understand why when you hear "black lives matter" but see violence

Naori Musume violence where? Anyone can use a movement to try to hide their real motives.

The same movement that hates white people, lies about being veterans, raids shops like vikings, beats people up, and destroys buildings and vehicles by setting them on fire.... because sometimes they are discrimated against when being chosen for jury...... Makes sense. Also, black cops are just as likely to kill as white cops judging from statistics.

@Michelle Appiah thats a load of bullshit. the majority of the "innocent black guy killed by evil white cop" shenanigans is all justified when you look at the entire picture. Be honest, you can't call someone "an innocent boy who does nothing wrong" when he causes trouble with the police

Brandon Christopher i really dont understand why you say that, and not address black community

It seems odd to everyone around the world.. I mean why use jury? Why not let judges decide what to do with alleged criminals??

In overcoming the shortcomings of the English system, we invented new shortcomings.

It's pretty similar to most places around the world, these media companies try to blow things out of proportion to push their political agendas, the american trust in news media is the lowest it has ever been

Our judges and lawyers are racist and biased as well. Just go look at Kavanaugh who was just appointed to the Supreme Court. I’d take my chances with a jury in this country over them.

@@t4squared You're right, we should just punish people for allegations. We don't need proof! We don't need trial! We should just execute people because we don't like them.

The idea of professional juries isn't a new one. The problem is you run the risk of those people developing biases overtime or getting burnt out from hearing so many cases. Also, professional juries aren't always going to be from the area where the trial is taking place.

1) juries today already have countless biases. If professional juries reduce the biases (I don't see how they could possibly not, if they're trained for that purpose), then it's an improvement. 2) People get burnt out from lots of jobs, that doesn't prevent them from existing. People can move on to do other things or they can learn to deal with them better. We're not talking about creating slaves that are forced against their will to be professional jurors/judges. 3) Who cares where they're from? whether you committed a crime or not, or how severely you should be punished, shouldn't depend on whether the people who make the decision come from your town or not.

I disagree I think a jury system helps deal with some of the potential bias or corruption that having the judge decide or a selected bunch of jury members could be capable of being I don’t think lawyers should be able to just eliminate so many people in the jury maybe just drop the number of people they each are allowed to take out

@@davidonfim2381 1. Good point. 2. If people get burn out in a trial, it's going to affect how they deliberate. We're talking about taking years away from people's lives here. 3. It's important that a jury is comprised of your peers, because someone from your area is more invested in the case than someone from a distant land. If I give you a pamphlet describing a court case that occurred in California, or China, or India, you're not going to see the people involved in the same way you would if I gave you a pamphlet describing a case from your county.

So basically we should not hire the left?

yeah it is stupid. The jury should not be able to be changed.

Recanting doesn't necessarily mean she was lying

Laura Beth yes it does.. that’s exactly what it means. Her story was a major reason the murders walked free and a key piece of why they believed they killed him

TobiIsAGoodBoy1 because she did not directly participate in the murder. She just said that emmet harrased her, and then her husband decided that a black kid flirting was super bad and went out to murder him. The wife did not tell him to murder emmet. Not saying they were in the right, but she did not commit a crime

Sir Rivet wouldn’t it still count as obstruction of justice, although maybe the stature of limitations was up

she admitted it on her deathbed

Most underrated comment!

DiverGaming you were almost funny

Black guy 1: stabs officer 50 times until death Black guy 2: Think you got him?

Classifier _66 has that ever happened? No.

@@classifier1848 actually answer the question. Since when has a "black guy" stabbed a police officer 50 + times

@@classifier1848 evidence?

That's an interesting proposal, indeed. A small problem however is that, people often dislike jury duty, being time consuming and elses, and the court often struggles to just find enough jurors that fit the criteria for the trials that we have. And vetting 100 jurors would be a small nightmare...

Yes or only struck on transcribed statements with no visual or auditory info.

That be terrible

Yes. The languages of the various southeastern Indian tribes are related.

No, I'm pretty sure how long they are in jail or if they get probation/reduced jailtime, is determined by the judge, but the jury decides if they are guilty or innocent

Jack Ryan Minor cases only have judges, but a jury only states that they believe the defense is innocent, guilty, or jury nullification.

It allows you to remove people on a hunch. Basically the person may give the correct answer, but you sense they are not enthusiastic about it. In theory this is actually a good system if both parties are neutral and faithful.... its just this is rarely the case, and it needs more checks and balances.