Video Game Collector Calls Me A Fraud 

Good guy Karl.

Attack the argument, not the person

Idk bro I kinda like dissing about appearances

@@blatantslander anime pfp

@@Singingnoob-3minutesdirty Can't we do both

Which is why they should be purged

People hate being called that. I remember the same thing happening to pokemon card collectors

Until he's dumped his bags, because as soon as the dump of a pump and dump hits suddenly all the cheerleaders fall silent.

He's not an investor, he's a speculator, which is worse.

@@lolschrauber I mean, child molesters also hate being called child molesters, but what people like to be called is irrelevant to what they are...

As a sand retailer, I resent this statement.

@@ByzantineDarkwraith As someone who builds sandboxes for kids as a side hustle: Where is my damn sand? I been waiting weeks

@@Diggler569 As someone who recently stole over $20,000 in sand from the back of a truck: Hey, uh, sucks about the sand. I hope you get it soon.

@@LiarraSniffles_X3 as the driver on the truck, you got me fired

@@ronyrubinov7449 As the kid just wanting to play in a sandbox: wheeeeeeeeeeeh 😭

Great Wealth is the only thing that matters to these people. That clown is likely already a millionaire, but won't be happy until he has more, more, more. He'll end up building a mansion from doing the very little labor of speculating. OR. He'll go broke from speculating. Something tells me he's probably into NFTs and crypto as well. Where only the people who get in early make any money from it, and they do it at the expense of any like-minded sucker that happens to come along later.

my problems with it are how most of the points he makes don't even relate to the topic at hand. I mean, what does the guy think he's proving by attacking fox 9? and he also attacks the viewer, why would I take him seriously when i'm getting attacked for seeing evidence and changing my opinion based on it? just such an obvious attempt to protect an investment and (i suspect) gain a following from generating more controversy.

Thats the problem of being wrong and knowing it, you can't make a good faith argument.

Yeah he said that and you can see all this video games he's sponging up hoping to resell later and admits that's his motivation. Yeah, ok bro

Theres "profit" *shakes head* And "Profit" *smiles and nods enthusiastically*

A self-detonating ahhhhhgument.

everyone wants profit

Expecting logic from a pissed off Speculator is like expecting logic from a Casino whale, his is likely just pissed off at Karl for his loss in profits trying to make money out of the bubble, which is really all on him.

anything for shekels 🤷‍♂️

LOL of course its people from the NFT scene. Scammers will scam.

They've been doing it for years. NFTs were just they're highest grossing scam

it’s all ai now 🙄

@@justanotheranimeprofilepic We're so early lmao

his champion is hulk hogan? hm, the amount of lying in his video seems to make a lot more sense now 😌 i wonder if he was almost the bassist for Metallica too

Yes, when you're commenting on manipulated clips to "prove" your point it's because you didn't have a point in the first place. He knew exactly what he was doing. That's not accidental.

​@@Melsharpe95 I am playing the devil's advocate here, but consider he has the viewpoint of believing the inflated value to be actual: Would he not edit it down to the words that he think are most relevant to his argument, seeing integral parts as irrelevant? This would make sense considering how consistently he seems to miss Karl's points, he could simply have poor judgment/reasoning. Again, that is devil's advocacy, but being manipulative doesn't make him smart either and he may genuinely believe in some of his points even if he is intentionally lying and/or defaming Karl.

@@magikarpusedsplash8881 When you edit a person's comment in such a way as to say the exact opposite of what they said- that's not accidental. It even goes beyond cherry picking. It's misrepresentation. You're probably right in that he's not a critical thinker in the proper sense. After all it looks like his videos usually get around 500 views so I think he was just making a hot-take reaction video. Unfortunately he couldn't find evidence to support his position so decided to "create" some that did. It's also unfortunate because the guy just seems like some random channel just posting about what they like and has now drawn all this negative attention.

The question ist always, are they incompetent or malicious? When someone cuts content this accurately and thereby misrepresents the actual statement, incompetence becomes highly unlikely and malicious intent is all that remains.

A smart prosecutor would use this in court to win their case against a scammer. A smart judge wouldn't need a second look at the case to use this to declare a guilty verdict. Bet you a nickel nobody's smart. Although... considering the beautiful comedy in the Alex Jones trials, I'd LOVE to lose that bet. PleasepleasePLEASE.

Lol

Problem is, he asked other investors... who aren't watching speedrunning content.

Damn, must've missed his email when he asked me lol

@@Solaceon other speculators if he was a legit Investor he wouldn't care if Karl is calling out Wata and Heritage.

Guess his email went into my spam folder never got one.

Lmfao. Thanks man, was looking for this

No he didn't? The channel is still up, I didnt see the video but he also has a video where they both have a chat about the video and stuff

​@ronnightingale6264 His channel was private at one point, so if OP had tried to look it up, they wouldn't have been able to find it. He hasn't posted in 10 months, so I'd say he ran.

I'd be so happy if all my games were suddenly worth nothing

I collect vinyl and the same applies.. You see greedy stores pushing up prices of vinyl that just isn't worth what they're asking. It'll sit there for years with no one buying it however I'd buy it immediately if it was reasonably priced

@@theMansalad I’m literally a video game reseller and I tell all of my customers frequently that these games values are ridiculous. I do what I can do give deals where it makes sense. I’ve been a collector for 20+ years at this point (just turned 35) and what always made collecting fun was the awesome amount of games you could get for affordable prices, especially compared to buying them new upon release. If games plummeted in value, the likelihood of my business continuing with games as the focus (profit wise) would definitely shift. I’d start pushing stuff with greater margins. But man would I be happy for myself & gamers alike. I could get cheap games for myself again without having to buy big ass lots, pick out what I want, and then take months to flip the rest.

@@theMansalad me too

I just want to buy more games for my collection without having to decide if It’s going to put me in a tough spot this month with rent

Yeah. He received 90% dislike rate on his video. We won boys :D

@@jpad0929 How can you tell the ratio when the dislike number is gone?

@@bleedorange1998 must've seen it before the shutdown.

@@bleedorange1998 there are apps that let you see it still. it's available from the youtube API in my understanding and the app can surface it and integrate it in the frontend

Nothing says “I’m right” quite like removing your videos from the public eye.

which creates the argument of "if you owned a sarcophagus, would you want to be buried in it?" To which the answer is, obviously, yes, who wouldn't?

That comment even got me. For 5 seconds I'm like "Ah yes I guess It could make a neat bed I guess." Followed by. "Wait! Is baldy basics for real? That's a bed you never leave, that's a coffin."

9:28 I like how he asks "But who is Karl Jobs". But then I wondered who this bald guy is and what makes him the ultimate authority on sealed video game market? I mean, I've been collecting over 20 Years now and I've never heard of him before this day. Asking around the hobby, nobody has. Odd isn't it?

It's a classic rhetorical device to paint one's foes as "foes" They are both great and terrible while being weak and meaningless.

Best faith interpretation that I can do, you could see this as "he has a large audience that could interfere in the space" and "he's a nobody in the hobby/business, so we shouldn't listen to him" Still, both are shit arguments that don't matter and he shouldn't have used them.

It's almost like fascists must overestimate and underestimate their enemies at the same time

@@the1truepickaxe298 _A wild fascist argument appeared!_

That is exactly what it is to them.

I kept having flashbacks to the height of the NFT craze.

Yeah, like those guys who do presentations: "How to make money!" and the answer is always "just give me your money"

@@sock2828 I mean, it's the same thing, speculative bubbles inflated on pure promotion.

*HE becomes rich

and if its a literal outhouse somewhere in california, its worth a fortune.

Everything is worth something to someone. That's the problem with the market, idiots buying inflated prices because their empty life literally has nothing but spare money.

I have a factory sealed copy of Carmageddon 64 that only cost me 60 bucks and last i checked it was going for about 300 odd but i didn't buy it to sell it off, i bought it because Carmageddon 64 in any form be it a factory sealed or just the cartridge itself in Australia is on of those hard to get ones, not as rare as something like say Conkers Bad Fur Day (that one even for just the cartridge is like finding a needle in a haysack and when you DO find one here in Australia you're looking at 200+ easily for JUST the cartridge alone) and it was one of the N64 games that i never got to actually own back in the day so i bought it simply to say "i now own something i missed out on back then"

Good condition, rare and or old usually does mean it's valuable though. There's collectors for just about everything.

@@garethjones4742 It doesn't though. Being rare, old, and in good nick does not equate to being valuable all that often. That usually only happens with items of high notoriety. The rare times it happens for more items, is usually when there's a bubble and speculation is running rampant.

Same

Many British people pronounce Mario that way….and Whang (who is ironically from Brooklyn)

I’m not even a collector or a gamer and it made me cringe

"Clearly this is a good idea, and will in no way backfire against me."

Clueless

The one guy that Billy Mitchell couldn't make back down. Yea, that's the target I wanna go after empty-handed🤷

For real. The incessant foghorns and meme edits make him sound absolutely juvenile. Who's his audience meant to be, five year olds?

@@PrimroseParadoxthere’s more young children in RU-vid than you think

Hey Joe! Stop looking for a balanced story/view ... as he told. We have to fit his stereotypes! Hehehehhee This guy is really something special. Not only the strawmen, but also these useless red herrings like mentioned by you, Joe. This narrow and strange concentration about the form/presentation (the music/tone) and not the content (the actual points, Karl made) can only arise from the mind of a child. If a stutterer reports that your car is burning ... you get out ... fast! This guy instead wants to discuss stuttering. And the icing of the cake is that he is first insulting Carl and immediately after that his viewers, us. What a clown. **facepalm** (I really don't want to know how this guy did come to wealth ...)

I hate the way he pronounced Mario. It's Mah Ree Yo not Mare ee yo. Instantly lost credibility.

@@AfricanLionBatIt’s a me, Mary yo

Pat Contri is a notorious scam artist. The easiest way to tell if he's lying is to look at his mouth. If it's open, he's lying.

@@reicherruschach3727Even if that is true it doesn’t at all change the original commenters point or diminish it. Pats quote was taken out of context, regardless of whether or not you agree with his full quote, or trust pat as a person, it doesn’t change the fact that Mad Dog intentionally cut the quote to make it seem like pat was saying something else, which is scummy and shows that he doesn’t actually have a legitimate argument to make to discredit him.

​@@TriAzFThat is true indeed. You don't need to manipulate things to make Contri look dishonest; he already does enough disingenuous things on his own.

I can't really tell if he's intentionally lying or if he's just ignorant and doesn't know what he's talking about. Cause the lies he tells are embarrassing considering how easily they can be debunked. Like, he completely missed the point behind why marketing your own product without disclosing your relationship to the company (if you have one) is unethical and illegal when there are FTC laws that clearly state why. Plus, he seems to misinterpret a lot of things that Karl says and doesn't even understand what the video is about. He thinks Karl is attacking the entire graded video game industry, community and collectors when his video mainly focuses on two companies and their unethical and manipulative business practices. I really don't know how he managed to overlook this. Perhaps he's just not very intelligent.

@@nissan_skylineI’m pretty sure he’s lying because those things you pointed out. I’m 26mins through Karl’s video and I haven’t heard that man discuss or refute one actual point that Karl made. He’s barely discussing the same topic, instead he goes on attacking his straw man and making implications about Karl. I don’t want to believe that a man that can speak so well and seems to be at least moderately successful, could watch Karl’s video and so clearly miss the point. Maybe I can chalk it up to him being so close to the situation and emotionally invested that he subconsciously blocked out the point of the video because it would make him feel like his was played for a fool if he was/is a regular patron of Wata and Heritage. But even then, I would expect him to defend those companies directly if that were the case and he hasn’t referenced them or their owners yet. Edit: finished the video; he did start referencing Wata and some of Karl’s actual points but he straight up lied about all of them. Yeah, this dude was lying the whole time.

He should take up apologetics, he would be good at it

it's funny that he showed Bill Maher in the video when describing a strawman argument. Bill Maher who is now loved by Fox News and is praising himself as the ultimate truth teller, meanwhile he is an just an out of touch stereotypical center right boomer douche who loves beating up on strawmen.

The only reason that I watched that guy speaking is because of Karl, otherwise I would completely click out of that asshole video, his way of speaking is just disgusting to watch, his sense of moral superiority makes me want to vomit.

Yeah I thought the same.

The cadence that he speaks with, paired with the extremely cringe-worthy editing hurts my bones

Agreed good on Karl for maintaining the high road. the internet is the internet tho, there have been and will always be the "for the lulz" crowd. (i am aware that reference dates myself but point still stands)

From*

Facts

Karl is a legend, but lets not be fanatic here. He did it to cover his own ass

@@kathypierson1128 Hi, that does not make sense. thanks and have a great day.

Words to live by

ditto

He knows he's talking BS, but he doesn't care as long as the video gets exposure. If he manages to convince even one dope to pay him a million dollars for a sealed game, then it's a huge W.

This is pure speculation and not based on anything other than an idea I pulled out of my ass... but I would not be surprised if it's later revealed that his video was made only because he was secretly hired by WATA Games to make an "independently created" video supprting them. I can't think of very many people who would simp for a company as much as this guy did, and out of the goodness of their own hearts.

He's a salesman, he knows its BS

@@nickfifteen I am not by any means saying that you are wrong (as I am just speculating too), but I do want to say that he has a literal wall of WATA sealed games behind him... that is very good reason to make a video like this. That being said, I truly think that it is a combination of yours too. I think he was hired, or atleast heavily influenced, by WATA and the fact that he also had prior motivation drove him to commit.

When he said something along the lines of “look past the dramatic music” about Karl’s video, meanwhile he seemingly downloaded the attack ad sound effect starter pack.

@@TheLukeHines Do Karl's videos even have music outside of the sounds of a given clip he may be showing?

Yeah. In the beginning Karl said his video is going to make that guy's video look bad, but for me that was not the case. They guy himself made his video look bad. It's honestly so terrible I had to take breaks during watching.

@@MaskedDeath_ Mate, it makes me cringe in just 45 seconds in. And watching further didn't get any better either.

And that lighting. Was he trying to be cute thinking that scary red would subconsciously make you mad? His video did made me mad, subconsciously and consciously, but the red did nothing. The way he talked on the other hand made me feel like he was insulting my intelligence. Then he finished making his point proving that he was indeed insulting my intelligence.

lmao

That's weird..

And nothing of value was lost.

He did? Seriously? Who was that anyway?

Pffft wow

Lost media andy

Yes, and anyone barracking for collectable price increases are speculators by definition. Real collectors surely want the prices to be stable so they can afford to continue collecting.

@@msmyrk also regular Investors would have probably been indifferent to the stocks deflating and normalising so yeah this guy is likely a Speculator and is likely lossing Profits perhaps even a lot of profits.

I agree. I was already casually collecting video games from a very young age. The only reason I would care about the market is so I don't get ripped off with outrageous prices. I don't care about rising and falling prices so I can sell them later, I care about that so I am able know if I am getting a good deal. I think that buying super common games for more than 3 times their original retail price is ridiculous. I buy games that came with a case with it because I wasn't the game to be protected so I can play it. I am a collector that wouldn't be opposed to selling games i no longer want. That is collecting. Buying games only for the sake of profit is not collecting. It's investment.

he acts so "holier than thou" its strange he thought his video would appeal to anyone he needs to learn to drop his ego, but I don't think he's capable of doing that.

What's going to be next, the vintage laptop and computer scene? If enough people bought enough of the stuff that's goes on the market, they'd control old PC part prices..

After being sued by Billy "World's best cheater" Mitchell and Todd "Todgers" Rogers, everything else are small fries

Karl has true, citable facts and examples on his side. It's much easier to remain calm when you know you're right. I'd expect Karl to be excited to make these kinds of videos as it's a thrill to call people out with factual evidence.

Read between the lines, As much as he tries to rise above it there are times he lets it get to him.

By training, enduring for years, then doing 12 takes for the video. He slips once in a while but overall he does very well

For one we can’t see his attempts at each clip. Think about how he is human. No human is perfect. I don’t know when that video he is criticizing came out, but it was not just a week ago, he had time to get angry about it then think it through. He had the time to organize himself and do the research and show how the video is wrong. I would guess that we don’t see the whole original video so he could have some parts that he did not find enough to discredit it, but he did his homework.

The guy will advertise anything for money, I don't know how "honest" his living is.

I do agree that he uses a lot of clickbaity bullshit in his titles though, this one included. I know that's part of the youtube game, but it is still gross.

@@SGFTI ok scammer.

@@SGFTI you need to silence yourself

Karl dismantled their racket . Wata games makes untold amounts of money for making bogus non sense ratings.Its silly. This guys attitude towards Karl is just as bad and is indicative of what they are all trying to do. They thought they were clever but the house of cards they built just got exposed for millions of people to see

@@SGFTI How is this clickbait? In this video, a video game collector called him a fraud, and that's exactly the title of the video.

Dont forget stock photos and videos

Yes

If you cannot understand that then understand this, people who stand to gain the most tend to be the loudest against their opponents whom the latter has proof

Karl even exposed Karl for cheating and came clean about it, that's some honesty you wont find anywhere else in the industry.

Projection is a hell of a thing. People really think it works to discredit people like Karl XD

Probably the ONLY investigative journalist

@@Lightna i think that person was using flowery (sp) to illustrate a point, good on you for helping them out if not. Some folk might be so distant from the thought process they actually needed help.

I grade his smugness 95, top notch stuff! Unbearable to watch. Karl probably hit the nail on the head with his remark, I can't picture adults watching this guy.

Yeah his cockiness is just unbearable to listen to, like nails on a freaking chalkboard

Don't forget the music. Why do people like him always use that kind of music?

for real, like only watching a snippet of it already making me feel irritated as fuck. I can't imagine how angry I gonna feel if I have to watch the full video.

@@crazy_man7578 If you've seen 5 minutes, you've seen it all. Bad arguments all around. I couldn't even be bothered to check how many subscribers the guy has, that's how uninteresting this all is

Indeed. Which is why he isn't a collector, he's an investor.

@@d.n4203 He's an opportunist. He's only interested in investing in games because of the speculative value they will have in the future. Collecting for 10 years in something that has exploded in the last 10 years is his tell. We, as in the gaming community, would never know who this guy was, had Cabbage Patch Kids exploded in popularity, the way retro gaming did.

I kinda got that impression too.

Did he have a channel before this video?

@@Rabbit-the-One Evidently yes, but he blew that.

Could the pronunciation be a regional thing? Retro Wolf a New Yorker pronounces it the same way. 🤷🏻‍♂️

No.. lol it's clear defiance of actuality. Every human being on Earth knows the name and how to pronounce it lol.

@@doublearon9942 Considering he shouts his name in most title screens, I doubt it.

Sorry to tell you, but thats how every other person on the planet pronounces it outside of America. After all its an Italian name, and its pronounced mArio, not mOrio.

Right? It's weird because Mario is a proper noun, those have specific pronunciation, and he says his name in the games. You don't even need to have played the specific one 😩

What is "dishonest" about NFTs?

@@JT-hk9ur paying to "own" something that you have no copyright over in hopes you can "sell" it to someone for a high price is very close to being the quintessential example of a scam. It's literally a market that involves buying and selling stuff that has no inherent value whatsoever. At least old school stocks are associated with businesses that actually do something. People who try to get people into buying NFTs are pretty much the 2020s equivalent of pyramid scheme flingers.

@@JT-hk9ur They're a ponzi scheme

@@JT-hk9ur scam, art-theft, environmental issue, money-laundering, the list goes on

@@JT-hk9ur Claiming they have any real value for one thing. It's like buying a ticket to the Louvre and claiming you own the Mona Lisa. Except that ticket costs millions of euros instead of the 15 that everyone else pays. And it emits toxic gas. And instead of a one of a kind by Leonardo da Vinci, the painting was one of hundreds of nearly identical copies made by someone who never painted anything before they wanted to get rich off of it. And that person had less artistic skill that a four year old. (Okay this part is just opinion, but the rest is basically how it works)

Honestly yeah. If anything we should be seeing if he needs a doctor after this. It was so one sided i almost pitied him just for losing so bad to Karl but then he would speak and annoy me again.

There is a difference between a well manered, public and personal response, vs a bunch of angry fans writing hate comments with half wrong facts. Karl just has the gift to beat his opponents bloody with words, without ever being rude or lying.

@@sagichdirdochnicht4653 well in their defense, they did give him a LOT of ammunition

'Bald man' might have worked better here, heh heh...

Always at least one more time. Or so they think.

@@frightnoodle8816 no need to name call, regardless of what he said

@@GyrateMeHoe I agree, but I also think it's a better descriptive word to tailor the meme to him

Where can I find the guy's original video?

Because his target audience is made up of crypto bros.

Yeah it's almost impressive how bad the delivery is. It's like he's gone back to 2013 RU-vid, he's so unfunny

The kind of person that thinks putting more shit in a video means better editting

@@RocketboyX ironically I heard that 7 years old is when you achieve self-awareness, so even they're racing ahead of monopoly money bros

He deleted every video on his channel

A real collector only knows the value of someone else's appreciation

Kinda like NFTs. They lure you in with neat randomized images that you can "own" via some weird new techno-voodoo. That's nice. I like that part. But then they won't shut up about the resale value and the explosive market potential and why it's a bargain to pay $300 for a link to a jpg.

Well said

Good example was when myself and my brother went to a video game store a few weeks ago and me and the guy behind the counter were able to ramble on and explain the history of Night Trap to him since he just thought the cover looked cool.

There pretty much are collectors who care about the item and investors who only care about the value of the item but somehow the investors think they are just normal collectors and that it's different from NFTs, Crypto Currency and stuff like that. Don't get me wrong, collectors can also care about the value of something they collect but if you _only_ care about making money from it you're not a collector, you're an investor.

Karl Shapiro calmly DISMANTLES beta males entire Ponzi scheme

@@dopaminedreams1122 Karl “Based and Redpilled” Jobst? Uhhhhh I think so

you would think hes gods gift to earth the way you fans suck him off

It would have been super easy, too.

Agreed but sometimes idiots like the hater he has need to get made fun of

I would say there are two Karl is one, the other is Goose , I think Goise is arguably the best in a much narrower niche

@@learntooilpaint also, summoning salt, for his ability to craft a story around a game's speed run history.

Very much this.

Yeah, I liked occasionally searching and watching for glitch videos - but Karl's channel drew me in with his levelheaded commentary.

@@SmogginMog I got into Goose earlier who has a very nice storytelling style, with a good narration voice. Jobst appeared in many of those videos and I heard of him on there

lol

Yeah between karl and a guy who looks like peter molyneu i”ll go for karl

Forgot the fact that the other guy has a Royal Rumble match, in the background, of his video lmao

Also Karl is an ABSOLUTE LEGEND which this other guy is clearly not

Guy owes Pat an apology imo

Honestly, the fact he tries to discredit Pat as a genuine collector because Pat allegedly said that wrapped games should be unwrapped because they are meant to be played says enough about what kind of a person he is. You can't just have a fun hobby. It's all business in his head.

The irony is he is basically doing everything he is blaming Karl... specially the whole "Creating click bait videos" and he literally does the lowest common denominator video - ie. response debunk video to ride the coat tails of a much more popular video xD

This guy is a clown. Good lord. Him slamming pat like that physically hurt me.

@@RocKM001 Honestly, he probably just jealous that his channel are so niece than Karl. Lmao

small brain-big effort responses are the best ones.

There's also the contrast of Karl's professional presentation and the collector's obnoxious effects. That alone would turn me against them if I didn't know anything about this before now.

The investor guy lost me with the first wHaCkY eFfEcT wave. You just know immediately that it's style over substance, and that he has no leg to stand on. Meanwhile, Jobst keeps it professional, and has actual rebuttals.

@@ctnc6059 God, yes, his editing is *so* goddamn obnoxious.

Yes, went in with an open mind and it comes off like Saul Goodman but without the charisma.

LMAO

I mean, 99% of the time that logic would have worked lmao

The best part about implying Karl's a liar because he's a RU-vidr is that this guy is apparently himself a RU-vidr. Karl really didn't even need to make a video like this. Most of the guy's points end up getting refuted later on by himself.

Con artists all have a certain cadence about them.

@@Thor-Orion except for the good ones

@@nyalan8385 there is no good ones, only more stupid people.

I could tell he would be a nft scam bro by the crazy look in his eyes.

Investable assets are a real thing. The issue with Crypto and NFT is the market is full of scammers and grifters. Jewelry, watches and things of that nature are Investable assets and are more akin to the video games in this instance. A rare physical item that more people want to own than their are copies available. This guy gives off major scammer vibes, but not because he called it an Investable asset. That's a legitimate term.

Hey. Great to see a comment from one of the main affected by the "collector". I hope he deletes his videos and make a public apology about misrepresenting you, Karl, and many other people who got involved there.

@@forgiveman He's made his channel private at least, so that's a good start

@@forgiveman Correction, the channel isn't private, he just deleted all the videos on his channel

I'm afraid you won't be able to view such dishonesty in its entirety again-- Mad Dog Collection's has either deleted or privated all his RU-vid videos.

It's insane to me how much dishonesty he can display. He literally just crops out the start of the phrase and turns what you are saying on the opposite, and show something from the SAME stream that contradicts it to make you sound crazy or something? Holy sh*t, that's insane.

AHA!! GOTCHA!!!

If that guy ever makes a response to this video, I can imagine him taking a screenshot of this comment and using it as evidence to prove his argument against Karl 😂

@@icecreamcake5381 Fr we gonna be famous in a few months

@@icecreamcake5381 i hope he includes me in the screenshot

@@icecreamcake5381 I doubt he will. He privated his entire channel.

As an unwillingly bald man (though I admit it looks damn good on me), having seen Karl's pinned comment, I was initially like "aw man I'm going to be upset by someone unproductively attacking a group of people because of a bad actor within it" but I am glad to see you took pains to ensure there was no collateral damage to your insult :) good show!

How much stock do you think he has imma more than 10 million

@@levievil9220 probably around $160-200k. No way he actually has anything that valuable in his collection, he just hopes to. He’s dirt broke, and alone

@@salineaddict9850 true but probably depends on what games he has

Speculators love speculating, both on pointless products they think they can sell to unfortunate people and on the motivations of people who call them out (which funnily enough are easy to attribute to them instead).

I mean, he’s rich enough to act like people had “nothing to spend their hard-earned dollars on” when the prices of essential goods was rising and making life for regular people hard

Is that why I can't find this baldy's videos? He legit just nuked his entire channel?

@@Kermitgottagun - I came here on the comment section to just to find the name of this piece of shit and give a dislike on the video... A Bad made video i just ignore, "they will get better, maybe...", but Scammers are imoral by definition, i will take my time to fight back, even if is just a single dislike with very little impact... . I would be very happy if he got nuked.

@@Kermitgottagun yep lol he supposedly deleted all of his videos

lmao now I feel good. How can people be so slimy and think they can get away with it. He really tried to make that argument sitting in front of a wall of sealed wata games.

His video wasn't even a response. This was the quality rebuttal everyone is sharing? He didn't even bother to address anything Karl said or point out where he was factually incorrect. All he did was attack Karl personally for the entire video. It's the RU-vid equivalent of a teenager saying "You mad bro?" You hit the nail on the head. Clown is the only way to describe him.

Karl might want to seriously consider, becoming a "Legal bod'

I was going to post something similar but this covers everything I would have said.

Very much this. Just reminds me of a playground bully.

Yes, I seen that at university to. If people start to mock or joke about their topic/subject, I seen professors tell em to cut it out since its makes for an unserious tone and hurts credibility.

The legitimacy of counterarguments is not affected by credibility.

If you can't make a good argument, all you can do is pound the table.

I think it's common amongst all Aussies

Jobst would make a great lawyer.

Also, Jobst (the name) comes from Iyov, a biblical character who goes through extreme misfortune at the hands of god yet still stands, A fitting name, for certain.

I feel like if you have actual, real proof that Karl was wrong about something, he'd thank you for correcting him.

@@HeyDonutJudge pretty sure i've already seen a video where he corrected himself and shoutouted the dude who corrected him and thanked him.

Lol I was tripping out about that

It only makes them look stupid and petty

Being "a gamer" isn't a personality, the best part of Karl's personality is his honesty.

@@invertebrado you are clearly not a gamer.

I'm a master gamer. Just look at my MS Solitaire and Hearts scores. And my mad MS Pinball skills. I used a Xbox controller to play it.

Either way Karl is a Legend

tbh he has the ability to commit to large projects and the talent to follow through which is more than can be said about most people, let alone gamers lol. it’s maybe almost a little discrediting, but either way he’s a legend

Not to mention all the sealed video games he has in the background. Dude has invested a lot. He collects to make money, not because he is passionate about gaming.

I rly don't get why they use that card, they think that they gonna sound pretentious when they use it?

@@luizeduardogomesribeiropen324 they think it'll make the person they're arguing against seem less relevant

It's the sign of someone with something to hide: when they can't win the argument, they attack the speaker.

It's a wack argument to have.

That's happened to me so many times; I've learned to tighten up my arguments so I can destroy people with facts. This has extended so far that I now have answers to long-standing economics questions and no degree in economics, but can show that if I'm wrong then supply and demand theory must also be wrong and, in one case, that basic mathematics and the laws of physics must be wrong. People get kind of frustrated when they realize their position relies on the first law of thermodynamics to be incorrect, and placing someone in a position where it's clear they could only be right if adding two non-zero real numbers A and B resulted in a sum of exactly A is essentially the atomic wedgie of debate. As you can imagine, I HATE the credential check. It's the refuge of people who can't find a way to approach your argument on merit.

I caught that as well.

To be fair, I believe he was trying to say that Karl was cherry picking Pat's statements which make Wata look bad and ignoring those which may make them look good. This really has nothing to do with whether Pat is a credible authority/source on the matter. Of course this claim is blatantly false and he hypocritically uses the exact same tactic he is accusing Karl of (worse actually since he is splicing clips to try and fabricate context).

Exactly, he's not stupid. We get it, his audience won't, and they'll eat up all the dramatic music, the strawman arguments, the blatant misdirection, the simple digestible narrative - he's pandering to the lowest common denominator.

It's all classic huckster prevarication, he has no interest in the truth or in making a good argument. Like the spineless mollusc he is, he expels a cloud of ink and flees back to his lair.

No wonder we have so many blockheads in office.

Scammers over the phone do this, too. If you're smart enough to see through their obvious lies? Dropped like a rock. They'll never call you again with the intent to scam, only to harass and annoy if you were an especially egregious example. I called my scammer a "benchode bosedeke" and he immediately hung up. I received calls for like two weeks. Presumably his boss told him to knock it off and call people they can actually scam, I dunno why he stopped. It filters out people who are going to waste the scammer's time. That way, they're only interacting with stupid people, and you know what they say about parting a fool from his money...

Karl was right, that guy was really great with visual aids.

"this is small circle. and this is big circle." that got me so good 😂

Darkviper sure can freehand an impressive circle in MS Paint though. That is impressive.

That was great

It's his specialty