The Biggest Scam in Twitch History | Asmongold Reacts to Ludwig (Mogul Mail) 

@@Quintessence4444 No it was a woman who Miz added to the call and she sounded broken. He admitted that he scanned a woman that had cancer, had been going to chemo, and was about to have a serious surgery. SLIKER EVEN ADMITTED TO IT TO MIZ BECAUSE IT SOUNDS FUCKING CRAZY!

@@Quintessence4444 I was referencing a different incident. I dont know what you're talking about

@@Quintessence4444 He‘s talking about the girl with connective tissue disorder

to be frank, Twitch probably only wants to ban for stream content and not over hearsay/drama if there's no collaborative, definitive proof from almost all parties involved.

@@Quintessence4444 Ok and? Your input wasn't asked, Mr. IAmSmart.

@@whoosWE especially with the defense for it out there, clearly demonstrated and properly called out here.

You're right, enabling is giving money to Sliker when he asks for help, empathizing is getting the help he needs through helplines and mindset changes, also un-listing him from all gambling sites.

Then you my friend are smarter then those who got scammed...

Bro the only type of money I’m giving my friends is 20 dollars at most ya know spot the gas for em np ain’t giving nothing over 20 dollars man

it's not the bank he's lying

@@romulus34 really oh wow never thought of that when he wanted that 30 grand I was like wow the bank is being mean

I would tell them hey let me talk to your bank on 3 way and let's figure this out

Under.

Goddamn I hate these kind of people. Just a brat. Just a bacterial. Useless man, for real

Post proof of him begging for more donations. I understand you hate the guy but don't spread misinformation.

@@AIIu_ He was talking about doing a subathon and lets be real subathons are 100% begging for money dude belongs in prison. Zero remorse and he is an absolute scumbag.

@@AIIu_ check his discord. He was planning to do a 1 yr subathon to pay off his debt 🤣

Asmongold guessed it was gamble because it made sense and because this whole story had all the tell-tale signs of gambling problems. People who knew Slicker, like his mods and his friends, knew that he gambled, so there is also that. Take off the tin-foil hat boys.

Yeah because train is suffering after he created thousands of people who will do this... ok

i would be cool with 100k any day of the week

@@AndTecks lootboxes in games are doing this to many more people, and before trains stream became a big gambling stream. Sort out your priorities, kids are being engaged in gambling from the moment they have a console / mobile device / PC. (if they play anything online that is)

no the hot take is ludwig said he should not kill himself and does not deserve to die and asmon asid i dont care about him. later on he turned it into he should go to jail. and he should. but at the start it was about him being suicidal.

@@Goobzor lmao, he can do exactly what asmon said and i would eat my salad in the same way, no, i would watch videos about it while eating lel

@@Goobzor nothing of value would be lost if he did, though. infact, the world would be a little bit better. he serves no purpose to society, he's just a parasite that pumps other people's cash into the hands of stake

@@Goobzor ​ that's the thing, I too, don't care if a stranger on the internet killing himself, even less for a criminal. sorry, it's sad and I can pretend to care but nah...

Well it’s the same world where people still like and defend Trump so it’s way more than just the Twitch community. Just goes to show what blind loyalty can get you.

That's a dangerous take. Don't presume to know what ANYONE is thinking. Focus on your own thoughts.

@@RealmDesigner okay, the overwhelming MAJORITY.

@@RealmDesigner they meant what most people are thinking and yea most people here if you look at the comments do indeed feel this way

@@RealmDesigner Found the andrew tate wannabe lol

@@diro9655 What does that have to do with Andrew Tate? It's a completely correct take.

My best friend became a drug addict, took money from me and stole my car. He's now a father with a good job and a happy life. Your just a piece of shit if you think people deserve to die for making mistakes just hold them accountable and don't enable them.

I mean you can’t get justice out of someone who offed themselves.

No but you can gather every shred of evidence and prove they did it, then at least they will be forever tied to the crimes. its not much but its something @@Joeumadd

I think twitch needs to learn a lesson themselves tho. I think its about time.

@@khairusplays I think the average twitch employee knows how bad the situation is. Not only with gambling streams, but how they treat streamers in general. But i believe that these people do not have an influence on the platform anymore. Twitch and their decisions have been more and more guided by corporate interests rather than whats good for this eco system as a whole throughout the years. They dont listen to the consumer, they dont listen to the content creators, they put in features that nobody needs nor asked for, while not implementing things that should be crucial for streaming like a basic rewind function - something youtube had since forever. They milk the people who create the revenue for them by taking 90% of the ad revenue. Then they lowered the costs of subscriptions with the promise that it would be more affordable, but instead people didnt subscribe more and Amazon keeps a bigger cut from prime memberships, which is now getting even more expensive, while streamers dont see a single dime from this increase. I think the only way Twitch will actually change is by getting massive financial losses.

@@bomber9912 If companies pull out their ads from the platform due to the users not being ad friendly, that can cripple the website just like what happened to yt before. Im sure that if streamers are not earning much, they would switch to yt. Its only a matter of time cuz most content creators are moving out. Twitch is dying slowly.

@@khairusplays well, that aged like a fine wine. Twitch finally decided to get their shit together and for once make the right decision by completely banning slots.

I think sliker did show a video of his gambling logs and there were hundreds of bets, not sure if he faked the site or not though. doesnt change much regardless

What is this bullshit? Who cares if he was scamming to feed an addiction, doesn’t excuse anything. The man is at the very least addicted to scamming people, does it matter what the addiction is, if you are harming other people and ruining their lives to feed your addiction?

@@Death-999 yup Apparantly, with today’s society Putin might as well claim *”he was suicidal and had a panic attack because he had a war crime addiction.* Like that’s no fucking excuse to hurt others. ESPECIALLY AT SUCH A MASSIVE SCALE. Like tens of thousands? Possibly hundreds of thousands? WTF slicker.

@@nicolaspace1182 The difference is in the reaction. A scammer needs to go to prison to learn that leeching off society yields punishment. An addict needs to go to a hospital to learn that spending all your money uncontrolled on gambling does not yield happiness. This guy might be both. I don't see the use in pitching the two concepts against each other. German prisons have excellent hospital wards, so putting a scammer addicted to gambling in prison and a hospital at the same time shouldn't be an issue. (I don't know where the guy is from, I'm german, that's why that's my example).

I disagree. Like Asmon says all the time, two things can be true at once, you can have sympathy _and_ think he's a manipulative terrible person. Having a gambling addiction isn't an excuse it's just an explanation.

I agree with this take on things. Not belittle the things that have been done and of course bring down a punishment on them but also trying to help them get out of there addiction.

@@rasmachris94 well there is a difference between screwing somebody over for addiction and self gain. Sliker gained nothing from hurting others. He actively hurt his own freinds and people he cared about and repeatdly gambled it away. That goes beyond being a bad person. You cant compare him to some1 who uses the money to buy a big house and a car. He directly suffered the worst out of any of his victims. Allmost could be considered self-harm. At that point you have to understand sliker was clearly mentally not right. No sane human being would do what he did. Locking him away will not discourage others from doing it as he clearly was not aware of what he was doing in the first place. Punishment isnt the right solution to this. Therapy is.

Giving him money is in no way helping an addict, Train definitely should have thought about that or at least made sure that money was making into the pockets of the wronged. To help an addict you do not want to give them money at all unless you can be sure that it goes to something that is not the source of the addiction.

@@rasmachris94 bro you are litteraly saying mental health conditions dont exist. Thats a slippery slope. If somebody with psycosis murders somebody they wont go to jail because they were insane at the time. Jail is for sane people who break the law for their benefit. Asylums are for insane people who break the law because they cant see the differnece between reality and thsir delusions. Clearly sliker falls into the second category. Unless you have proof sliker did this maliciously.

@@greenfroggood2392 average psychotic take

@@greenfroggood2392 You can acknowledge the legitimacy of addiction and how it affects someone's personality and actions, but still condemn these acts

he deleted that clip for a reason. nasty take. sliker deserves jail and to lose all friends and trust but he doesn't deserve to die.

It's well known that self-harm is used as a tactic to make someone stay in an abusive relationship. Even if someone was legitimately suicidal they should have the decency to not put that on other people and seek out proper help when they're the one causing all the harm.

@@NineSeptims Missing the point entirely. Asmon didnt say he deserves to die. He just says he doesnt give a fuck. This dude is clearly using suicide as a scapegoat if you actually believe that then you're gullible as fuck. Ofc he doesnt deserve to die. He deserves to be rotting in prison getting bent over like the midget little rat that he is. He will be perfect prey in there.

in that call they briefly talked about it going to court and sliker said that he would take what ever comes. no one was like "oh no dont sue our boy" they just wanted him to cooperate to get the people their money back.

I think Miz, Hasan and XQC actually didn't help, they were solving Sliker's issues and enabling him without really holding him accountable. They weren't actually bring him down to reality with all the legal and jusstice matters, feels like a slap on the wrist. He was even laughing at points during the call which really irked me. That call in my opinion is more damaging to the victims emotionally wise rather than helping.

@@Cangelvin they werent helping sliker thats bs they are paying the victims of the scam cuz sliker wont

@@Cangelvin THIS. They just talked about him needing therapy and aaaw dont worry, we pay everyone back. They were literally enabling Slicker by showing that his rich friends have his back and that he can get away with shit like this. They were even joking and laughing in that convo, nobody brought justice to that piece of shit slicker. It was so hard to watch them protect that asshole

@@NineSeptims You're wrong. With what they did they showed him that he can get away with shit like this. They were enabling him. Of course they were saying that they pay the victims back, because hmm... that's be some nice clout for them.. But still they are friends with this piece of shit and what they did was a punch in the face to all the victims. Especially Miz

He said multiple times how he isn't the victim and he knew that this all was coming. No one who is empathetic to him right now is ignoring the victims or the wrongs he made. They are just disappointed at how avoidable this all was and hopes he can get the help he deserves. Most of the people who initially talked about Sliker actually met and knew Sliker, so it wasn't like it was just a bunch of random commentary channels discussing it all. Your take isn't the 'correct' take, you are just a lot harsher than others.

You know what's worse? Xqc/Train potentially helping him pay off the debt. Imagine making off with a 300K bag easy.

@@h3II0MN123 Man, friends trying to help other friends? What is the world we've come to?!

@@AstinCrow it’s not even that they are helping him they are helping the people who he scammed. The streamers he took 25k+ from don’t need that money, they already knew it was gone

@@Joeumadd The debt is Sliker's, so it is helping him pay off his extensive debts.

@@greenfroggood2392 Addiction is real, but I agree with you in so far as not making excuses for filth.

Same dude. I’m glad you got clean

I hope you got your life together now 💞 Keep fighting! :’)

@@eternally.confused oh my life is together lol sorta

I think it’s about the victims more so than bailing Sliker out. It’s more important to pay back those scammed by him then let them rest in legal purgatory waiting for the verdict. Sliker should absolutely be in jail though, dudes a piece of shit.

Charlie AKA MoistCritical is better than Assmonger.

saying that he doesn't care if sliker offs himself already makes his entire opinion invalid... sliker is sick, his illness is drove him to his actions, if you can't see that you need some empathy classes or smth

Thing is, no one asked, but he will vomit out his luke warm take anyway, because he is desperatly lonely and needs constant validation. Prove me wrong.

​@@4321Enjoy legit the dumbest take i have heard in a long time, especially how he tries to pretend he has the moral high ground by not giving a sh*t and anyone that cares is actually the asshole. guess that is what lack of normal interactions with other human beings does to a man

@4321Enjoy I personally don’t care for the whole sliker situation. I think it’s a very minuscule issue in regards to society as a whole. I’m more generalising in saying that he has the best takes compared to any other content creator. In terms of mental illness I think generally the whole twitch/social media space disregards this as a motive and is relatively dismissive. I mean look at the Keemstar/Etika situation Keem literally said he should kill himself, he had no context of Etikas mental state and that comment came to fruition.

how about targeting the cause and ban gambling

@@NineSeptims he wasnt streaming gambling, how would that fucking help

He did it because it was seemingly easy, what i dont understand are the people that GAVE him the money.... we dont talk about 10 bucks to buy a train ticket or to fill you car or buy food we talk about individuall scams of thousands per person.... like do these people have to much money? I dont get it

no there is not. people with gambling addiction turn to friends and family all the time to "scam them" to try and win back money the lost. they ask for money for bills or food ow what ever. go gamble. they most likely lose it. then those people get mad never getting repayed. this is how they lose friends and family this is why gambling addiction is a issue. not just losing money. they turn to lying to friends and family to gamble more.

@@Goobzor never said thats wrong, but once you start doing that you should get help, not once youve already asked for 300k. thats the difference

@@niklasmaier2664 if you were in the position to ask for help it wouldnt fkn happen would it

@@niklasmaier2664 gamblers are not going to help themselves. its normally friends or family but if they dont care or got to mad from what they did to just cut them out well they are alone to move on to other people such as close streamers then unknown streamers and then random viewers. thats the path he went on. his mom most likely has no idea what he is going though or cut him out. but from some old clips with him and his mom not sure she would but not sure. and the asking for 300k is most likely a debt owed to someone else. maybe a shark or gamble den.

@@soul0172 as a matter of fact it did

Amen, need more people spreading this message because right now all I'm seeing are very toxic view points towards helping addicts (or whether addicts are real lmao.)

Who??? Is that some gay porn guy?? Mio malcovo.... Jesus.