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Driving the BMW 230i makes you wonder how so much acceleration can come out of just a 2.0L turbo inline-four cylinder punching out 248 horsepower and 258 lb-ft of torque. It certainly fights above its weight class in terms of performance per horsepower.
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@EngineeringExplained 6 лет назад

Okay, I hear ya guys, 250 HP may not be low, but we're talking relatively here. I live in the US market, and in the US market when you spend $35k on something sporty (domestic or not), you can get a lot more than 250 HP. Can we all also agree that it's neat that the 240i can match the Mustang GT's 0-60 with 100 less HP? Yeah yeah, underrated, but no one is going to underrate their engines by 100 HP in a market where HP sells cars. My point was the car is cool, and makes do with less. It's neat, I enjoyed it, and I hope you all did to. Have a solid day!

@leandrolien5961 6 лет назад

The point is that any good youtube channel today, such as yours, is watched in many countries and we do understand that there are other realities out there, but the same way that we do, you should also be sometimes a bit more carefull in the words you use because people may take it badly and for a person living in a country where 250hp is more than 99% of the car fleet and is also a dream car and saying as if it was nothing can make people feel a bit odd about it. I hope you understand, I'm not bashing.

@eddox94 6 лет назад

I'm with Leandro here, I watch your videos from Chile and here the base model is the 220i lol, the 230i here is kind of a big deal here. I still get your point though

@livcurrent9780 6 лет назад

Did you get to see if it had rev hang with rev-match turned off? That fixes it with the M2.

@skillyxbg3681 6 лет назад

I think there are other cheaper cars that can make you smile like you did in the BMW with just about 90 HP like the basic Honda Civic 1998-2002 which is really quick. I dont get it why all must be for the bmw ok I know the old bmw till like E36 are good but the new ones are not as cheap as some early Japanese cars or no where near their engines....

@nicolasblume1046 6 лет назад

Yes it's not much power for a "sporty" car, but for a "every day car" it's not.

@jamesbaggaley1460 6 лет назад

Is 248hp low? I'd say that's more than adequate for a modern day small car 🤔 A 'base' 218i over in the UK makes 145hp 🙃 Lucky Americans...

@edzgt5243 6 лет назад

James Baggaley my car has 54 hp, feels fast enough to be honest

@ARentz07 6 лет назад

My car is rated for 255 horses, and the first time I drove it fast I was mind blown. Now I am more used to it, but it's fast enough for me, for sure. Note: I am an American. :D

@Beymdoublevey 6 лет назад

Mine has 60hp i beat you haha

@edzgt5243 6 лет назад

BMW X. What car man?

@Beymdoublevey 6 лет назад

Peugeot 106 1.1i, while it's pretty slow, it's light and handles like a go kart so it has that going for it lmao

@halsti99 6 лет назад

just 248hp ... imma just take my 60hp polo and drive to the nearest corner to cry

@Daisuki0u 6 лет назад

May I join you with my 65hp Clio ?

@Beymdoublevey 6 лет назад

I'll be wating for y'all with my 60hp 106

@crabjoe 6 лет назад

How quick is that Polo? Because I've got a 230i with the 248ph engine and I feels it's a bit slow for it's class.. But then again, my car weighs over 3900lbs.

@ivannicholas5029 6 лет назад

halsti99 damn you Europeans got low power.

@Beymdoublevey 6 лет назад

It's because it's the low power/economy version of the cars, it's very drivable and it's good enough for the road though, take a Polo GTI, Clio RS or 106 S16 and it's double (even triple depending on the year) the power

@babycow8154 6 лет назад

No shade but the thumbnail looks like he just graduated highschool and his parents gave him a new BMW

@Jacob-xd3ko 6 лет назад

Babycow I got mine before 11th grade lol

@Szcza04 4 года назад

Jacob lucky

@DctorSkillz1 3 года назад

@@Jacob-xd3ko Are you still alive?

@Jacob-xd3ko 3 года назад

@@DctorSkillz1 no

@Jacob-xd3ko 3 года назад

@@DctorSkillz1 i honestly can’t even tell you why i posted that original comment. don’t even ask. it wasn’t really even that relevant to the original comment 😭😭😂😂

@JakeFromLateFarm 6 лет назад

The 2 is what the 3 used to be. Sad that the legendary 3-Series has become so big and expensive.

@philsag 6 лет назад

Do a video on what causes rev hang

@Levent_Ergun 6 лет назад

philsag emissions

@Carambal81 6 лет назад

Yes please! And what it is and what causes it. It is still unclear to me!

@derdoofe100 6 лет назад

Please do!

@kenkalajdzic 6 лет назад

Quite simply, the ECU causes it (the computer that controls the engine). It's just software, nothing more.

@Carambal81 6 лет назад

That doesn't explain what it is and why it is there and why he hates it.

@nicolasblume1046 6 лет назад

A small power of 248 horses 😆

@AaronSchwarz42 6 лет назад

Spoiled American Syndrom Everything is so far apart in America that you have to drive for eons to get anywhere, often at highway speeds, meaning any deficit in powerout of a vehicle is very noticeable, especially crossing mountain passes! His private vehicles include a Honda S2000 & previously a Subaru WRX STI, now a Subaru Crosstrek : so his vehicle choice preference history gives ample bias to his commentary

@danI43541 6 лет назад

Aaron Schwarz wow highway speeds... that's what 80mph max? Possible in Europe too... or even more

@Wehra96 6 лет назад

50mph is typical for my country but there is a few roads where there is 60-68 but those are quite rare to see sadly

@a_komainu 6 лет назад

Aaron Schwarz you're confusing muscle freaks from the rest of us, quit stereotyping us

@marceloalbuja 6 лет назад

Ikr, my car has 125hp 160 torque, and weighs 4.000 pounds💀

@WyFoster 6 лет назад

Don't forget BMW lies notoriously on their power outputs. It's more like 250 whp

@Eurosport.Automotive 6 лет назад

Wyatt Foster that's pretty much spot on... dyno's of the 228i N20 engine showed it making about 240whp, or 270-275chp. This new motor should be making a little bit more than that

@Jacob-xd3ko 6 лет назад

What's the difference between WHP and regular horsepower? Is that like the number that is loses by the time it gets to the wheels or something?

@Eurosport.Automotive 6 лет назад

Jacob that's right, bhp or chp (brake/crank horsepower) is measured at the crank. It's the power the engine makes without accessories and transmission/ driveline losses. Whp is measured at the wheels by a dyno. Frictional losses make a car's whp rating less than its bhp/chp rating.

@freakincrazy6932 6 лет назад

Jacob 20% lose about from engine horsepower to wheel horsepower. Bmw always gives figures in whp

@Jacob-xd3ko 6 лет назад

freakincrazy6932 oh wow didn't know that. Thanks!

@enekoprins 6 лет назад

In Europe, the "low power" base model is the 218i, with only 136hp out of a 1.5 litre inline straigt 3. Now that is LOW power :) Here everything above 200hp is pretty much considered powerful.

@FoxvoxDK 6 лет назад

Inline straight 3*

@enekoprins 6 лет назад

Woops, talked to fast. You're absolutely right. Just edited my comment.

@arthurhenriquemendesberte2228 6 лет назад

136WHP is not "low power", chap... Not by a long shot. You can have a pretty quick car with 136WHP, all it takes is to strip it a little bit to reduce the weight, and you will have a quick and fun car with "just" 136WHP. Power to weight ratio, power per litre, even the centre of gravity plays a factor in it. Give a wekk to me and that "low powered" 218i and I will make a beast of it, if you want a fast car... And guess what, I will not even spend money on it, just a few drops of sweat. Here in Brazil we draw out 500WHP or MORE from inline 4's, that originally had 60-80WHP. Hell, with a few tweaks to the engine and better injectors we got 95WHP from a 55WHP car...

@robertdakovich6038 6 лет назад

Eneko Prins re45tgggg(j7k(k8

@SenszR 5 лет назад

@@arthurhenriquemendesberte2228 who said it was 136whp?

@PatrickS7760 6 лет назад

"Just" 248hp

@dbnation8717 6 лет назад

I get what he's saying though. Honda Accord, Toyota Camry etc all produce similar HP.

@yung_richtah 6 лет назад

Jason normal cars in germany have 100-200hp maybe

@mriphone1000 6 лет назад

Patrick more than that bmw notoriously underrates thier hp for insurance purposes. This car probably has 25-30 more hp at the crank than it states.

@vistastructions 6 лет назад

Bullion Forever then BMW may be reporting whp figures...

@senged 6 лет назад

And here I am happily driving a 90hp 2014 Clio Icon.

@future62 6 лет назад

These motors are hella underrated. They put down their crank rating at the wheels. And they definitely haul the mail. Friend of mine has one, and he picked my wife and I up from the airport at night. I didn't see the badge, and judging from the pull I assumed it was the 6 cylinder. The M240i must be a rocket.

@apetrenko_ai 6 лет назад

How the f*ck the 230i is "low power"?

@aaronfreeman3890 6 лет назад

Are you serious? It's like the slowest BMW they offer at the moment, next to the 20/28 Idrive. This car is a light, agile thing forsure, but it is absolutely "low power" compared to other cars you would cross-shop for similar money. Especially when you compare to brands that have actually been aware of the horsepower war that has been raging in our industry for years, such as mercs or Audis lol

@randomesteven3935 6 лет назад

Aaron Freeman pretty sure the 28's are out from 2017 onwards.. The 30's replace them outwardly. 30's makes just a bit more hp and torque. So now for most, it's a 20's, then next model is 30's, just to be clear

@MsSomeonenew 6 лет назад

For Americans it's low, but then they usually haul half a house with them so it is required.

@memphistiger4647 6 лет назад

Alex Petrenko my old ass maxima has 190

@Glasseh 6 лет назад

Check out the non-American market for BMW. Where they offer plenty of sub-200 hp cars. Both the 3-series and the 5-series have like 10 different engine options over here in Europe.

@Levent_Ergun 6 лет назад

"Low power" 250hp smh.

@RationallySkeptical 6 лет назад

Levent Ergün Like he said...many cars have 300+, so yeah. 250 isnt impressive anymore.

@danielallocca7770 6 лет назад

Levent Ergün it's all relative - this is a bit of a fat piggy so that isn't that much power. Also, I never believe BMW power ratings. They are notorious for under rating / being very conservative and listing power that is closer to what's at the wheels than the crank. I am guessing this car would dyno at 250 which puts it closer to a 280hp at crank.

@randomesteven3935 6 лет назад

RationallySkeptical maybe in the US, Not in other countries.. Like in my country, I would say most have about 130 hp being the average. The popular choices all have about 102-106hp. The upper limits of 'affordable' gets this 248hp guise. Having anything more than 300 in an engine that's not a 2.0 ( or not a Volvo drive -e T6) means you'll be faced with a yearly roadtax of 200 USD for a 2.5l with 300+hp or more with bigger Cc engines

@Levent_Ergun 6 лет назад

yup, its known that bmw underrates their cars however that was not my point.

@BluePhantom321 6 лет назад

Levent Ergün 300+ is impressive nowadays. We aren't in 2008 nomore

@SanMarinoM3cs 6 лет назад

meanwhile in norway we get the 218 136 hp😂

@letom_xd6297 6 лет назад

same here in Germany :D

@Rentta 6 лет назад

Same in everywhere in europe. BMW just does that for murican market because big is better

@ODIOPOWER 6 лет назад

Same in all EU.

@user-po6hn9id1t 6 лет назад

TheGroundRoof 316ti... N/A but, it puts rubber happily if needed

@adopap1 6 лет назад

Could you make a video explaining a little bit more about "rev hanging", what causes it and what would a manufacturer do to prevent that?

@babycow8154 6 лет назад

He's actually talked about it in the Civic Si review I believe. He said that it was actually implemented into the car by the manufacturer for emission control. Not 100 percent sure but I think they hang the revs so all that fuel in the air mixture is burnt off safely and not left to go out of the car unburnt. Again not exactly sure if that's true.

@adopap1 6 лет назад

oh, ok thanks!

@skifree0 6 лет назад

its actually because closing the throttle body so quickly creates a pressure spike, and that causes oil to vaporize and get into the exhaust.

@sublimegabe 6 лет назад

I have a 228i (older version of 230i) and that car is a joy to drive! Great acceleration, handles well. He does a good job of reviewing the car on its strengths and weaknesses. I have the automatic 8 speed though which is really fun for an automatic.

@sublimegabe 6 лет назад

Also no lurching with the auto

@franzwetrfres2116 6 лет назад

This guy's content is arguably of the best on RU-vid.

@poisonouspython1410 6 лет назад

Lol at the removing buttons comment.. Has he never been in a BMW before?? They've been using that same system for the mirrors, locks, etc since the late 90s.

@poisonouspython1410 6 лет назад

+dosmastrify Oh I know, I was just commenting because EE was mistaken in thinking BMW's minimalist button theme was a recent thing. Personally, I will never own a car that requires a touch screen to change controls. I hate the way modern interiors are going honestly. They are less intuitive and downright dangerous. Plus the biggest issue for me is that they looked dated wayyyy faster than classic gauges and buttons.

@petrbenda3406 6 лет назад

The BMW 230i is most certainly no entry level car even by BMW standards. At least in Europe the entry level BMW 2 is 218i with a puny 1.5 liter inline 4 and 136 horses.

@OwlOfBlues 6 лет назад

Petr Benda inline 3 btw...

@lateralus817 6 лет назад

that moment when BMW's 30i is actually 2.0 and 18i is 1.5 ....

@SamGamgee8012 6 лет назад

Actually it's an inline 3 ... same as the one in the Mini Cooper.

@petrbenda3406 6 лет назад

Thanks for the correction. Somehow I thought that I was a 4cylinder :-(

@SamGamgee8012 6 лет назад

They are using a modular platform now with 1,5l I3, 2l I4 and 3l I6, all with the same cylinder dimensions, so that they can use a lot of the same parts, like pistons, rods, valves, ...

@honeybadger006 6 лет назад

Great review. I own a 2017 230i manual myself, and it is the best car I've ever had. I test drove the 4 and 6-cylinder cars back-to-back, and I preferred the handling balance of the 4-cylinder to the extra power of the 6. Yeah, the 6-cylinder has more power, but it also weighs 150 lb more, and all that way hangs in the nose of the car past the front axle, and you can really feel it in the turns. I completely agree with your assessment of the Track-Handling Package. I got both it and the M-Sport packages, the M-Sport being largely cosmetic, but it gave me the M-Sport steering wheel, which I *greatly* prefer to the default one on this car. Again, thanks for this great and thorough review.

@stressballer 6 лет назад

Base or introductory cars in norway has about 100-120 hp. The 230i would be a quick car here.

@dodgers4121 3 года назад

In Norge you have less HP but way more beautiful girls............ You are the winner.....

@dodoz44 6 лет назад

My mom bought this thing, although the xdrive, automatic version. Of course I had to test it out, I was really surprised at the low end torque and how it pulls in general, especially 0-60ish. And that's coming from someone who dailies a supercharged vette lol.

@The0rnate 6 лет назад

What is the best way to deal with/mitigate rev hang? My Volvo C30 (2013) has a reasonable amount of hang and it has always bugged me because I learned on a 1981 Trans Am that had none at all. Any advice?

@pauldeverill926 6 лет назад

A hidden feature of the mirror switch (if you don't read the manual) is that one position enables the passenger side mirror dip for reversing.

@Bobbybeb 6 лет назад

I'm slowly becoming a fan of BMW and one just might be my next car. I really want a mid size or compact rear wheel drive car. I like how BMW is deleting some of the buttons to make it appear more old school. I don't care for the newer cars that have 100+ buttons across the steering wheel, dashboard, and center console.

@afrosheenix 6 лет назад

KYDashcam go buy the Lexus GS before they kill it off. Best RWD chassis and highly underrated.

@dgochez 6 лет назад

They are very fun to drive. I have access to Audis and Mercedez, and they have their own good points but I still prefer the BMW.

@Jacob-xd3ko 6 лет назад

Never in a million years would I have thought I would've gotten one. So much more fun to drive than a Lexus. Everyone I know loves the minimalist interior and the lack of the safety features which takes away your control on the car.

@user-po6hn9id1t 6 лет назад

Get a E46 compact... Wonderful car, and quite reliable, and rust-free

@rowdytitan 6 лет назад

I came from an f30 328i to a GS350 F sport... My 328i had a long list of problems that kept growing once my bumper to bumper warranty had expired so I got rid of it.

@Ballacha 6 лет назад

i've been driving my company's 330i on and off for 2 weeks now. it makes wanna sell my ralliart... BMW is awesome at smoothing out the turbo lag. gonna see if they offer 140i with x-drive in australia next year. if so, ciao ralliart.

@ozky25 6 лет назад

There are a lot of things I don't understand right away but I love your channel. It is is a shame you dont get more views but our culture not so much into learning now days!!! Blessings and thank you for all the data!!!

@BlacksterVFX 6 лет назад

If you get an ECU tune, can they eliminate rev hang? Please only answer if you have personal experience on this or can link me a video. I know it should be possible in theory but haven't seen it done yet.

@V10PDTDI 6 лет назад

The car is faster than a mustang because it has more power than what is advertised the same goes for VW or Audi they allways under report the horsepower ratings.

@nutz4gunz457 6 лет назад

The only thing VW/Audi underreport is it's diesel emissions

@hommebizzare 6 лет назад

Nutz4Gunz45 Burn :)

@therealboofighter 6 лет назад

Martin Fisker not diesel!

@300ZCorradoVR6Z 6 лет назад

@Nutz4Gunz45 You may want to the 2015 Panorama documentary about the diesel emissions "scandal" and the recent German ADAC report on the subject.

@scottykilmerisaquack5114 6 лет назад

It also puts down power better and has a flatter torque curve because it is boosted. People focus too much on peak numbers. Having XXX peak horsepower doesn't tell you everything, there's much to the story.

@Onliner94 6 лет назад

Have to be in agreement with the rest of the comment section... "Low Power" to me is somewhere around 50-80 HP My current car with 204 (after I fix the exhaust manifold) is already considered quite powerful not only by others but by myself aswell... there is not really much I can't do with that power as long as I don't go on a track... so yeah... 218i would be considered low power for a modern car maybe... but not the 230i!

@rkan665 6 лет назад

Low power by 2017 standard is like 130 hp. Like the Honda Fit.

@poke_champ 6 лет назад

Onliner94 you comparing your car to corollas? Lol

@keithhasafastcar 6 лет назад

most cars in the US come from the factory with 250-300hp so for whats considered a performance car in the US at least that's low power

@Taseman 6 лет назад

Omg... So I guess that I enter in the micro power category with my 75 hp Mazda :)))

@ScrayaZ 4 года назад

idk my seat leon 2003 has 180 hp.. i consider 250 a bit over midlevel

@2WhiteAndNerdy 6 лет назад

Great video! I might have to check into the 2-series for my next fun car. Love so much about it!

@biz4twobiz463 6 лет назад

wonderful car review!! I really enjoyed the sound the little engine was making at high RPM's. LOL!! GREAT job!! Merci

@Sharnakh 6 лет назад

As much as i love BMW i would never buy one without the M-Package. The design and the technical differences are really worth it imo.

@crabjoe 6 лет назад

The M package on the 230i would have given you a different steering wheel, aero package. and slightly stiffer shocks. The test 230i didn't have the M package, but it had the track handling package, which is adjustable shocks, Brembo brakes, speed sensitive steering, and summer performance tires (MPSS). I'll take the track handling package over the M Sport package any day on the 230i.

@Sharnakh 6 лет назад

Well, there is no THP in Germany, so I will stick with my M-Package over the stock one :P I really dislike the stock suspension, steering wheel, design and well... almost everything :P But yeah, if you live in the USA the THP is a no brainer.

@shizumaakiyama3129 5 лет назад

M Sport Is worth the cash

@sebascc007 6 лет назад

correct me if im wrong but that engine is the same as the one in the bmw 328i. that 4 cil. is a very responsive engine. a lot of automotive magazines in europe have praised the engine for the same reason. in the 328i makes 0 to 60 about 5 to 6 seconds don't remember well the number.

@100brsta 6 лет назад

Sebastian Conde i don't get where the journalists get this idea from. Maybe they havent driven a NA engine for so long that they forgot what responsive means. I think it is an engine that is very fast but it doesn't feel so. Turbo lag is there like Jason said. Even the 3 liter 6 cylinder diesel (BMW or Audi) feel more responsive.

@sebascc007 6 лет назад

100sammo sorry i used the term responsiveness wrong. those journalists praised how the engine delivered power.

@Druwoods 6 лет назад

Check out the older 128i if you want to have fun driving. The straight six builds up beautifully, clutch and transmission are so satisfying, and best of all hydraulic steering with BMW handling.

@davisflyer 6 лет назад

Nice review. I'm actually considering one of these to replace my 2006 Mini Cooper. After 12 years of loud and stiff, I'm ready for a little quiet, lol. The only options I'm looking at are track pkg and heated seats and steering wheel. Should be a hoot!

@svenschuur17 6 лет назад

Not much horsepower is defined in europe as: 60 to 120 hp. So i'm pretty suprised 248hp isnt much horsepower. It gives me a good view of america

@TheFPSPower 6 лет назад

Yeah, in my country we have lots of fun pushing 90hp cars and that's pretty much the average in the area, I can't imagine 250hp being low at all.

@gr8645 6 лет назад

Sven Gas don't cost $7 a gallon in America.

@shizumaakiyama3129 5 лет назад

Gregg B that is true. I live in NY we have some of the most expensive gas at the moment is 2.39 us. And i complaint is to much money. I own this car and is fun but i have 600HP before. Does not matter we dont have any highway that we can go and use it

@lukenukem1207 4 года назад

60?? I can't think of many cars below 100 in America. Maybe the smart car.

@thedignitaryofthestix6339 6 лет назад

Do a video on rev hang

@benwalker997 6 лет назад

Agreed, I've always believed that rev hang (counter-intuitively) is a fuel efficiency thing, not emissions.

@weedmastersr 6 лет назад

Hey Jason, Could you please help me out with something I wonder. Does it hurt a manual transmission car to coast in neutral? For example, when you're in tight parking lots or just crawling along from traffic light to traffic light, does it hurt your car if you just leave it in neutral and coast for a while?

@richardggeorge Год назад

Leave it in gear when decelerating to reduce fuel consumption as the injectors will switch off until you reach ~1000rpm (note: right foot needs to be completely off gas/accelerator pedal). If you are neutral the engine will idle using 1 - 4 litres per hour (0.25 to 1 gallon) depending on the size of engine.

@davidschultz6346 4 года назад

Great review and it reminds me of BMW's old E30's of the 80's, I guess if your budget doesn't stretch to the 240i then this little BMW is an excellent substitute.

@mariotorregrosa8390 6 лет назад

230i Low powered? WTF man

@phr3ui559 6 лет назад

like he said 248hp isint a lot...

@crabjoe 6 лет назад

It needs about 30 more hp throughout it's range.. I know this because I own a 230i.. And get this.. it weighs in over 3900 lbs.. But then again, mine is a Vert with AWD..

@NS416 6 лет назад

They make for sure around 270hp and 290tq, the B48 engine for sure does not sure about the N20

@BahhJustaLamb 6 лет назад

by "low powered", he means compared to many other sports cars. My Focus ST, when it was STOCK, made 252 and that was a front drive, sub-30k hot hatch. The WRX makes 268. Camry V6 makes 268 as well. Accord V6 makes 280. These days, 250 horsepower really isn't much considering up till a year ago, you could buy a Genesis Coupe 3.8 with a 350 HP V6 for only mid 30k range..

@honeybadger006 6 лет назад

I also own a 2017 BMW 230i, and it most certainly does *not* weigh 3,900 lb. With the track-handling package and a manual (similarly equiped to the vehicle in the video) has a curb weight right around 3,350 lb

@bitkarek 6 лет назад

"just 248"? like its not much... Integra had 190 and was hella quick. btw: whats wrong about rev hang? you can shift, nothing is slowing you down or something... what is the problem?

@herculesrockefeller2984 6 лет назад

yeah but the bmw is about a thousand lbs heavier than the integra

@therealboofighter 6 лет назад

I really like the graphics that show speed and rpm. That is a nice touch.

@CosminRotaru 6 лет назад

I have a 21 years old BMW and the buttons ( for mirrors, lock....) work the same. You sound like this is the first time driving a BMW :D The same goes for the acceleration hanging - which I very much enjoy, since it makes shifting so much easier. It is there by design.

@dirtyscalper5584 6 лет назад

I think this is a perfect daily driver...M240i and definitely the M2 are total OVERKILL!

@100brsta 6 лет назад

32 Yr Old Casual Food Industry Worker it is not perfect because of the noise it makes :)

@LonestarPaul 6 лет назад

Couple of comments: 1- what's funny is that most people forget that just a decade ago, pre-mainstream-turbo era, 200bhp+ were considered pretty darn powerful. In the mid 00's, 260hp was STi's territory. So heck yeah, 258bhp IS fast to start with. 2- @Engineering Explained: Jason, your channel is beginning to look like an infomercial... watchout so you don't alienate yourself from your base audience ;)

@nermket4849 6 лет назад

Uhhhh that's one comment lol

@admonix2 5 лет назад

I’m getting 230i and I’ve found the right spec but the thing that really bothers me is that it’s xdrive. I’ve read/heard that xdrive feels much worse. It feels heavier up front, thus it corners slower. The front wheels rob the power. To summarize; it is just less sporty car then the rwd. How true is this? How noticable is the difference when spirited driving on the b roads? Is it really less sporty then the RWD?

@mr.redneck2715 4 года назад

Where is that video you made on the BMW line6 with ISG? I can’t find it anywhere.

@zefautino 6 лет назад

Jason, you're not used to drive BMW'S. There's not much surprises with this video. One button does it all, why bother with multiple buttons for the same function? BMW manual transmission is aggressive, it takes a long time to get used to it. On the other side, drive it fast and you'll see how awesome it becomes.

@drerri 6 лет назад

"This is the first manual bmw ive driven" Bruh you gotta be kidding me

@gt8mar 3 года назад

Jan Alexander ikr

@Jo-bt3xr 2 года назад

Ha ha, my first car was a BMW manual😀

@Christian-fg3we 6 лет назад

Can only imagine how fun that car is on that back road! I have an E46 and it is soooo much fun on back road. Maybe because its the Ultimate Driving Machine😎

@ovlraglvr 6 лет назад

Great video. Do you think you could do a video explaining the compound turbo?

@Natuh21 6 лет назад

248hp low power? Is this planet u live Earth ? :p

@crabjoe 6 лет назад

What's your reference point? 248hp is low compared to other 2L turbo charged engines sold in the US.. In additiona, do you know how much a 230i weighs? I do because BMW listed my 230i's weight and it's over 3900lbs... 248 is low for that amount of weight.

@leobuchwieser1203 6 лет назад

my reference would be that im having fun on the autobahn (driving 200+ kph) with a 200 hp 2 ton 525d from 2012. the 230i has 50 hp more and weighs about 0.3 tons less. i cant think of a situation on the street in which i would consider a 230i underpowered. even on the autobahn

@mudakful 6 лет назад

Mate that's not low power. It may be low power in the context of expensive cars which come with better components. Most of your subarus, mitsubishis, hyundais, fords etc. come with smaller 4 cylinder engines barely pushing 200hp. A turbo 4-cylinder BMW engine certainly isn't low power.

@roadreg1820 6 лет назад

Fantastic review, as always. I enjoyed seeing you smile whilst you were giving it the beans around the twisty stuff. You looked like you were having a blast! I would love to see you reviewing an M140i/M240i soon. The B58 3.0 has some interesting technological advancements that you could talk about. For example, it has a feature where it can hold heat in the engine for up-to 24 hours to reduce engine wear (long term) on cold starts. How cool is that! All the best, Reg

@Math-zl8kq 6 лет назад

What would you go for between this and a BRZ for a daily driver.

@yugao5260 6 лет назад

" Low Power Cars Can Be Quick" Miata: Yes~!! I have a little bro :D "Just 248hp.." Miata: D:

@averyd2827 6 лет назад

BMW notoriously under rates their engines. Probably more like 248 wheel horsepower

@crabjoe 6 лет назад

prove it! Speed isn't just about peak hp.. It's about power all along the rev range.

@averyd2827 6 лет назад

crabjoe I agree with you. All I'm saying is that you can't take BMW's hp figures for granted.

@Eurosport.Automotive 6 лет назад

crabjoe it's well known the the N20 engine (used in all 28i models) is very underrated. Just google “N20 dyno”. Numerous sources have tested these engines and found they make around 240 at the wheels (270-275 crank). The same thing applies to the new B series engines used in the 30i and 40i models.

@crabjoe 6 лет назад

It is well assumed.... not well known. Ask anyone that knows dynos and they'll tell you a dyno is only good for comparing the baseline of a given car on that dyno versus the same car with a mod on the same dyno. BTW, how many if these N20 dyno numbers used DIN procedures for testing? I've seen dyno numbers from a European dyno that did DIN and it was dead on to what BMW advertised.

@Eurosport.Automotive 6 лет назад

crabjoe hardly anyone in North America is going to use DIN procedures for dyno runs. Most will be following SAE. If the countless dynos are not enough for you, just look at a stock 228i quarter mile time and trap speed.... 13.7 @ 101 you will NOT achieve those kinds of numbers at 3500lbs (3350curb plus driver) on street tires. It's going to take at least 260-270bhp to pull that off.

@kenjammin 6 лет назад

does having the ZF 8 speed help with the rev hang?

@michaelrawlins419 6 лет назад

The 528 has the same hp and is also very fun and quick. By the way, the lock button had been like that for a long time on BMWs, and the same with the mirrors. If you set the adjuster on left, the mirror tilts down to help parking.

@NS416 Год назад

528i are pretty underpowered. 535i are equivalent to 328i's in terms of 0-60/1/4 mile etc. That'll be more similar to the way this 230i pulls.

@Antolioparker 6 лет назад

only in america is a 230i a low power budget option, its actually laughable.

@crabjoe 6 лет назад

It's because it is for the US.. I have a 230i and it weighs in over 3900 lbs. Looking at the weight, 248hp is low.

@M3NACE 6 лет назад

really? are they that heavy?

@JD-yx7be 6 лет назад

crabjoe wow that weighs more then the battery electric tesla model 3. I thought electric cars were heavy

@M3NACE 6 лет назад

yeah i dont think that figure is correct.

@crabjoe 6 лет назад

It is for my 230i.. Mine is AWD and a Vert. I think the RWD coupes are round 3400-3500 lbs. These little 2 series cars are really heavy.

@David-xo8ci 6 лет назад

What is is with americans saying it has 'only' 248 HP? That's a damn lot of horses. Hell, I had a Volvo S80 with a 170HP, and that was pretty damn good for it's time. Freaking awesome car, BTW. I saw Dave on Motor Trend say that his V8 with 400HP at the wheels was 'gutless.' WTH is wrong with you americans? No wonder your cars are still big, uneconomical and inefficient. Maybe try and learn something from the germans. At least they know how to make an efficient car. A 911 will beat your 550CI V8 around a track any day of the week.

@yung_richtah 6 лет назад

David Spaghetti What you are saying is so true

@nicholasbragg8340 6 лет назад

David Spaghetti what some of what you're saying is true but a 400hp car is gutless when you realise it's 7liters and the car weighs 5 thousand pounds

@zildjiansince1623 6 лет назад

Omg dude, a 911 is a mad expensive car. I'm so sick of people comparing their 6 figure plus "German engineering" with a muscle car from the 70s. American made cars like crhysrler, jeep, dodge, ram suck reliability wise. I'll give you that. But Chevy, Ford, is making some killer cars that are both quick and yes, what I'm about to say may blow your mind, but they can corner. And the best part you can get em for half the price of your German engineering with probably about the say reliability. And before you say it, no its bow going to be as fancy inside or out, but again half the price.

@Lamar-zx5tp 6 лет назад

For part of your comment, the opposite is true. For the other parts, it's pretty much nonsense. What the hell is a "550CU" American car? In reality, American cars generally have comparable weight and efficiency. In some cases, more efficient, even with 2x the displacement and greater performance. Take the Corvette for example and its 29MPG rating, 30+MPG real world fuel economy, which is better than any comparable German car. And when it comes to track performance, American cars are currently dominating, beating any comparable German. The Viper ACR is not only faster than cars its price, it's faster than car 4x the price. Same with 1LE Camaros, the GT350 and all other top ranging performance cars from the US. It's actually embarrassing to watch how far the Germans have fallen when it comes to performance.

@scottykilmerisaquack5114 6 лет назад

A Corvette is more efficient and will outperform any similarly priced 911. WTH is wrong with you eurosnobs with you not following the industry for the last 20 years? A lot has changed.

@beneagles007 6 лет назад

Nice. I've always been a fan of BMW's standard trans. You can really slam that clutch with the inline restrictor (though you shouldn't often do so)

@wantandlike 6 лет назад

Could you explain what "rev hang" means? also how is that different from dropping the clutch too quickly?

@Glasseh 6 лет назад

The 230i is no where near a base spec. A base 2-series would be the 218i with an in-line 3 cylinder, rated at 136 hp.

@crabjoe 6 лет назад

230i is the base in the US.

@RenlangRen 6 лет назад

A BMW with less than the 230 would not sell in the USA, and would start to damage BMW's image.

@rmonified 6 лет назад

In Europe it's more acceptable to be slow like grandmother

@eikonise 6 лет назад

That and it doesn't make sense for BMW to compete in the lower cost car bracket cheapest BMW is about $34,500 or so. I'm sure in Europe it makes sense for them to snag some closer to economy car sales from competitors.

@joshlouis374 6 лет назад

In america more horsepower = better It should be more torque and less weight = better

@crabjoe 6 лет назад

I wish the 230i weighed less. My stock 230i weighs in at over 3900 lbs.. but it is AWD and a vert. Yes my car is quicker than most cars on the road, but that's because most cars are Camrys, Accords, Sonatas, and civics.. with NA 4 cylinders. I wish my 230 weighed about 400+ lbs less.. Then maybe the 248hp would be enough.. But right now, it's a pig compared to other turbo charged 2 liter cars on the road.

@joshlouis374 6 лет назад

crabjoe I guess BMW had to cheap out somewhere to keep costs low. Might be the materials used but I'm not sure.

@Jacob-xd3ko 6 лет назад

That's why there's the BMW 2 series to show us Americans how it's done

@Jacob-xd3ko 6 лет назад

JTL it's relatively cheap for what you get... They could've thrown in xenons and cooled seats for anyone that spent around $40K though....

@coscorrodrift 6 лет назад

Yo Jason, could you adjust the rev limit so it doesn't look like it revs to 12k in your next videos?

@MrPotato16 6 лет назад

Fantastic review. Most reviewers don't spend enough time on ergonomics or steering and pedal feel. Subscribed.

@reeve509 6 лет назад

Just? lol most 2 series cars here are 218d which has 150bhp, the 220i is considered to have decent power.

@poke_champ 6 лет назад

You guys lol. I have a 1999 toyota avalon with 200 hp.

@dknollRX7 6 лет назад

The reasoning for not having a center position for the outside mirrors is to turn off or on the mirror dip function. That has been a staple of BMW since at least the E46 and maybe earlier. When you put the vehicle into reverse, the passenger side mirror will dip downward so you can more easily see obstacles like curbs or parking spot lines. This feature only works if the mirror adjustment position is on the driver's side. If it's on the passenger's side, it deactivates the feature.

@Philmoscowitz 6 лет назад

Jason, what did you think of the leather? Good quality? Likely to last? Or was this the Sensatec?

@BarbecuedPossum 6 лет назад

230i low power 😂😂 really?? A 218i with like 100 maybe but not 250. Maybe it's US roads but in Europe 250 is easily enough to be considered quick. Heck most 2.0 tdis with like 150-180 are quick enough to the point that going from 30-50/60 takes barely any time at all

@BarbecuedPossum 6 лет назад

No I mean that the roads are more straight so more emphasis is put on straight line performance than the whole package. I know physics are the same there you codpiece. Yes considering he's clearly an intelligent guy he should know that 250bhp is more than what 97% or something of all cars on the road have today.

@crabjoe 6 лет назад

You can't compare this car to 97% of all cars on the road today. You have to compare it to other cars in it's class. Based on class, 248hp is low. Maybe I should compare this car to my truck.. My truck puts out close to 400hp and near 900 ft/lbs of torque.. Dang.. compared to my pickup trucks numbers, the 230i's engine is a slouch... BTW, other than the numb steering and the throttle lag, the 230i is a really fun car to drive... It's not as fun as driving a Mustang, but it's fun... The thing can go around bends and change lanes like it's on rails.

@BarbecuedPossum 6 лет назад

crabjoe I'm not comparing the car, I'm comparing the power output

@stiffeification 6 лет назад

affordable and 42.000 € LOL Just as an example I get a 310PS Seat Leon Cupra with every additional upgrade for 35.000€ and its making this BMW pale in comparison on the track. BMW, Audi and Mercedes new are absurdly overpriced.

@tkangwei 6 лет назад

Damn you're lucky. LEON is not available for us. Wish they sell globally, I really like the styling.

@petrilaakso7927 6 лет назад

Tobey Wins but then you have sit in Seat

@danielallocca7770 6 лет назад

Tobey Wins I agree that the German luxury brands are over priced. But, they can't stop selling them in the US so I guess my opinion doesn't really matter

@ivancuesta98v12 6 лет назад

Seat... who doesnt like understeer?

@ARentz07 6 лет назад

I'm having deja vu. Could have sworn I have seen this before - where somewhat says "My car costs less and has more power; therefore, it's better!" You know, there are other aspects to a vehicle besides performance.

@louisd.4010 6 лет назад

Great review! Average power here in Belgium is around 120-160 horsepower though, so relatively speaking the 230i has quite a bit of power

@TheRacingShawn 6 лет назад

Golf R or 230i/240i, which one do you recommend?

@1111EKA 6 лет назад

A 230i isn't a low power car. A 218i is.

@Dungzoo 6 лет назад

It's funny reading Europeans say 250hp is a lot! Europeans produce high powered twin turbo v10 station wagons, 1,500 hp supercars, v12 twin turbo SUVs. I could go on. I understand a lot of people drive 100hp diesels because that's all that's needed in many areas but either way, 250 is not a lot but more than most people need, I'll say that.

@straxwb 6 лет назад

Actually, most people here drive shitty 100HP diesels because that's what is affordable, and because those mere 100 horses take you to work and back home everyday without sucking too hard on your bank account. Unfortunately, here the word "downsizing" has been taking over, now it's full of low displacement turbos with 2-3 cylinders and 80-120 HP or crappy high mileage city cars. I myself am forced to drive a Fiat shitbox everyday because that's what we have at home. So yea, 248 HP is not "just", or low power, by any means in EU. Unfortunately, I might add.

@Jacob-xd3ko 6 лет назад

Bc they get to use all 180 of the horsepower on the Autobahn. If we have more power here (around 400), we get to use about half of it (say 200)

@TheDatsunZX 6 лет назад

In the bmw e46 it also has the rev hang which you can fix by doing a clutch valve delete. The clutch valve has this small pin hole that restricts a lot of the clutch fluid and causes that jerky feeling between gears.

@RidderStorm 6 лет назад

Hey EE! Awesome channel, I am big fan! Can u answer me this, in one of your future videos, please... What consequences might I expect If I drive my TDI engine always just above at its minimum operation RPM (idle) like between 900 and 1300rpm? I drive it like that on the city... it allows me to save about 1L on average consumption, but I am worried the extra "stress and vibrations" may put some parts at extra wear like the gearbox, engine mounts etc... I never let the car come to a stall.

@claudiomunoz471 6 лет назад

Civics prove lower power cars are also slow

@claudiomunoz471 6 лет назад

douglasmlinder wrong

@claudiomunoz471 6 лет назад

douglasmlinder I'm glad you bought an Ariel Atom. Why don't you take your kids to school anymore? The Atom is a two seater, you just have to make a few trips. Also your eye situation sucks but it could have been solved with a pair of goggles or a racing helmet. And I don't see why you have to take the Atom to Germany if there are plenty of great tracks in the US. Just practice a little bit and exercise a bit of caution and you won't die.

@AceOfSpaces17 6 лет назад

All I see in the comment is people from other countries being salty they don't get powerful cars and calling Americans "spoiled" because we do?? Hate to point it out to y'all but the car he's driving is German so I don't see why y'all aren't calling Germans spoiled too. Doesn't make sense. Even the Kia Optima gets 250 hp nowadays, this 230i isn't that powerful at all.

@AaronsEnduro 6 лет назад

Love your videos! You should do a video on rev hang!

@herculesrockefeller2984 6 лет назад

I drive a company CRV for work and I notice that it doesnt want to up shift when Im passing people on the highway and flooring it.. I get up to about 85-90 mph and the thing pegs the rpms. It'll up shift if I let off the gas, but why doesn't it up shift when Im on full throttle?

@acrspeed 6 лет назад

Continuously variable transmission.

@herculesrockefeller2984 6 лет назад

But why does it 'shift' through the other 'gears' but not the last?

@LawrenceTimme 6 лет назад

The mustang has fat lazy burger eating merica horses and the 230i has German efficient hard working horses

@hubpaq 6 лет назад

mustang 310 hp 1/4 mile ; 13.8 at 102 mph , 3625 lbs bmw 248 hp 1/4 mile 13.9 at 100 mph but 3571 lbs less weight

@hubpaq 6 лет назад

and we all know BMW has always under rated their power ratings

@MrJameslb3 6 лет назад

For the same price you can get a Mustang GT with a 5.0 V8 producing 435hp and 400lb/ft torque.

@brockjohnson100 6 лет назад

James Bevins and... Never take a corner again and live to tell about it.

@Dapeepn1gg4 6 лет назад

Yeah but then you're in a ford

@CrustyCrip 6 лет назад

FORD: fix or repair daily :)

@acrspeed 6 лет назад

Ed Arnold can confirm, Ford rentals have left me stranded multiple times.

@CrustyCrip 6 лет назад

The last time I rented a Ford Mustang, it over-heated and stranded me in New England. Have made it a point since then not to rent Fords.

@derekrostock1596 6 лет назад

Glad you found Bogus Basin road! Once you go BMW it's hard to go back! Cheers Jason

@fakealexstrong 6 лет назад

I love the F82. The M235i is a great car, the m240i is also great, the F87 M2 I love, and now, after watching this, I know now that the 4 cylinder isn't bad either! The perfect sized car for a 2 liter turbocharged 4 cylinder engine

@GaryThanosHudson 6 лет назад

German rice burner. Nice!

6 лет назад

This car looks sharp! I'm loving it!

@harakiri420 6 лет назад

I got a Ford Fusion Sport 2011 with 263hp. i hit 0-60 in 6 and a half on second gear i love it.

@Rangifulla 6 лет назад

Good point about the rev hang, seems odd that they use matching on the downshift but nana shift going up.

@sergioserramusic 6 лет назад

You just literally got the car I most want in the world. I already own a BMW diesel and I really want to buy this car one day with decent engine, I love the look, the engine, the gear stick, it's a proper small car to have fun! :D

@dry509 6 лет назад

I don’t like rev hang. Does the auto version shift fast?

@swanblake 6 лет назад

Curious on The power to weight difference between this and the 128i

@dacarguru7983 6 лет назад

Hey Jason ! That rev-hang is definitely an issue on modern cars, but from my experience with BMWs, the clutch actuation is horrible due to the CDV (clutch delay valve). The M cars don't have these horrible valves, but the regular models do and have had for quite some time. On my E39, I removed it the day I got the car, and you can let the clutch out a lot faster. BMW has been catering to noob stick shift drivers for some time, so that it's hard to stall the car.

@Motogamna 6 лет назад

Off topic but...Are there any products out there that can prevent windshield rock chips?

@TheMpuppy 5 лет назад

Would you create a clip explaining "Rev Hang"? (The cause of it, how to reduce/remove it, what cars have it (as far as you've tested/ known.). Thx. (I'm driving an STI and Rev Hang is there... sadly...)

@kelseywinter-troutwine1928 6 лет назад

How do you get the rpm to show up in your videos? An app? Plugin?

@tbone1493 6 лет назад

Those 4 cyl 2 series are an amazing used car bargain. Anyone looking for a nice, sporty car about 22-26k can pick a low mileage car easily. Tons of BMW fun for little money