Why The BMW 230i Surprised Me - Both Good, And Bad

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In today's video we are looking at a BMW 230i. Once upon a time the 30i badged BMWs were the top of the non-M lineup, but now they're a far cry from what they were. Powered by a 2L turbo four instead of an NA straight six, can this 230i deliver the experience of my old 330i?
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@OGSiX33 3 года назад

Had a 230i m-sport for 2 years, and I can't agree with your assessment. Perhaps it's the mismatched Bilsteins that are causing trouble, but my 230i was at its best on country roads, with enough steering feel, chassis feel and balance, without it being too twitchy or harsh. This was with Conti Sportcontacts. The twisty stuff was great, though the short wheel base made it a bit scary above 230+ KPH.

@christopher-gardner 5 месяцев назад

How often are you going above 230kph?! lmao

@nabhanq 3 месяца назад

@@christopher-gardner autobahn

@richlee509 Месяц назад

@christopher-gardner quite a lot if your in Europe

@TheKatWeasel 3 года назад

I drive an 2007 e92 330d, and I was never particularly impressed with its handling until I replaced all the suspension arms with decent units, new oem Sachs shock absorbers, eibach lowering springs, Michelin PS4s tyres and a Hunter alignment. Now, I’m actually impressed with its handling and I can’t wait to hopefully venture onto track later this year

@AlexLapinski 3 года назад

I've got the 218i M Sport facelift if you fancy going through all of the engines. I love the car but I'm definitely going to be picking up something beefier when I next upgrade. Once again, a great and informative video. Thanks!

@tomfidler2213 3 года назад

finally I have one of these and have been waiting for a review for years its such a good fast underrated car

@onetrickhorse 2 года назад

Yep, I have one and I have to say, I bought it specifically for the fact it's underrated, it's a bit of a sleeper in many ways. I've had many a Leon Cupra and Civic Type R drivers look over at a set of lights after they've been left for dust with a kind of "what the hell is that??" kind of expression on their faces. Plus, it's less of a target for thieves than the M240i, it sort of lies under their radar.

@haulme 3 года назад

Good review. I have one of these and never considered the handling as you showed. Mine does have all the Msport Extras. My biggest decision in buying one of these was cost. It was an excellent 2nd hand buy costing about 2/3 of a 235/240. It's fast in a straight line and can get down a road. Thanks and good job.

@DaveSpecC 3 года назад

Great video - there should be a small switch on the side of the seat which tightens/loosens off the bolsters, used to look after a fleet of BMWs and my colleague was a very large fella, forever complaining then one day we figured it out. Always thought it's a feature which should be on all cars with any kind of sporty credentials.

@DjDolHaus86 3 года назад

On the subject of turbo replacements my mum recently bought a second hand, low mileage 2018 fabia, it was running fine but kept going into limp mode so I checked it over for any obvious troubles and couldn't find anything so assumed it was a sensor or something similar. It went back to the dealer she bought it from under warranty and when the car came back a few days later the bill of work , to my great surprise simply said "replaced turbo".

@Tom90Y 3 года назад

Another good video on the 2 series. If it’s like the 220i coupe I had for the day whilst my M2 OG was in for its MOT the steering is definitely too light and lacking feel (for what I’m used to). I heard changing the steering wheel fabric to a smaller amount of padding etc can help. These new 4 cylinder engines are good, they just naturally lose the drama / noise compared to the 6 cylinders. When Covid restrictions loosen your welcome to try out my M2 OG DCT on uk roads etc

@leonsiric398 3 года назад

Great review! Today for the first time seeing Your reviews and they are really the best. Too bad RU-vid offered me Your reviews so late. Greetings from sunny Croatia! 🇭🇷👍

@alpha230i 7 месяцев назад

Never seen your channel until now, don’t know who Peter is. Automatically thought Peter Griffin when you spoke of your frame. Not sure if that was on purpose, but well done I fell out my seat 😂

@user-wz4fw2ws1s 3 года назад

Always been interested by this model variant, great in depth video. Not many videos out there.

@rogermanvell4693 3 года назад

a proper suspension set up and alignment will transform this decent tyres will help too if its on run flats.

@hankkingsley9183 3 года назад

Why do that when you can buy a properly engineered offering from another automaker?

@rogermanvell4693 3 года назад

@@hankkingsley9183 So what manufacturer can you buy a rwd coupe for this money from then ? Anyway nearly all OEM suspension requires upgrade to perform really well at least on anything aside from an out and out sportscar.

@rxs87 2 года назад

How about shitty brand tyres for a drift machine?

@peterwatson9047 2 года назад

Had Michelin PS4 non-run flat tyres on it for this review. Getting PS5 replacement front tyres fitted tomorrow. However to be fair it came from factory with Continental Sport Contact 5 SSR run flat tyres and these were fine on the road and the PS4 didn't feel like much of an upgrade. I did do a couple of track days with the Contis on and then some more with the PS4 and the difference was much more noticeable there.

@peterwatson9047 2 года назад

I did get it checked by a normal garage however am getting a proper alignment check soon from a respected tuning specialist. Although can't adjust much without changing parts, I think just front and rear toe. As it's now got 75k on the clock this check will also hopefully pick up if anything is bent or out of place.

@Rotarson 9 месяцев назад

I have a 2018 230i with manual. Overall, great review and very accurate with the exception of one thing (which was not your fault). The modified shocks on the 230i you drove is likely what made the suspension feel much firmer, yet, the shocks will not really reduce body roll. I think this is why you found the suspension so contradicting in terms of being super firm, yet not sporty. On my 230i, the suspension is definitely not all that firm. It's firm enough to feel sporty, but it really does not beat you up over the bumps. While this means it may not be on par with something like an M car, it feels like a good balance of sportiness and comfort.

@barfmeister8509 3 года назад

I genuinely have not seen a 230i and until now, never knew it existed 🤷🏻‍♂️ makes me feel that bit better about owning a 240 😉

@michaelgriffiths7937 3 года назад

Literally saw one parked in Bristol about a week ago and thought it was a fake badge

@seveer7 3 года назад

Glad I'm not the only one

@anthonybelton-ford3124 3 года назад

I thought the 230i was a basic 6 cylinder and the 240i was the top dog. Kind of like the e46 330i and e46 m3

@seveer7 3 года назад

@@anthonybelton-ford3124 up to about 2012, 30's were naturally aspirated 6 cylinders now they're 2 litre turbo 4s 😥

@anthonybelton-ford3124 3 года назад

@@seveer7 shame really. As not everyone can afford a 240 But it is possible for many people to afford a 325i/325ti/330 ect Cheaper variant with a 6 cylinder.

@andyhunt457 3 года назад

I would suggest eibach springs to add to those B6.Ride height is lowered by a relatively small amount but would benefit the handling. Invariably BMWs are set up for autobahns and there steering tends to set up for that.

@seannolan2307 3 года назад

+3 for the shirt, I've heard Birds can sort your chassis woes on these and add a LSD.

@chriskelly9361 3 года назад

Glad someone else is focused on what really matters. 8/10 for me.

@timhuddlestone8280 3 года назад

I had one of these for 3 years in 2017 until last summer. Got it as I couldn’t insure the 240 at the time as I was only 20 it was a great car I think in my whole ownership I only saw 2 others on the road they’re really uncommon. That one is pretty much identical to mine estoril blue manual.

@timhuddlestone8280 3 года назад

Just a note on the fuel economy also I think he has done well to get 33 out of it, I think in my 25000 miles I averaged 26! At least it made the move to my w204 c63 not so daunting in the fuel department

@peterwatson9047 2 года назад

Most of its mileage has been long commutes on fast A and B roads with little or no traffic. Were you doing a lot of town stop-start driving?

@timbre7999 3 года назад

Know what you mean; some BMW models are terrible in finding dips and bumps to pull into or onto and you're forever correcting but over-correcting because of a) numb and b) way too light steering. BMW should add a few 'weighted steering' options so that we can finally go in a straighter line and feel that we're actually in control.

@TheEarlofK 3 года назад

I bet he's so glad he brought the car to you to review!; still, that's what we want, brutal honesty.

@ESKATEUK 2 дня назад

I think the review was nonsense tbh, after driving me off these I found it a very nice and fun little car. He also didn’t give the engine half the praise it deserves, probably because it’s faster than his 130i that has more power.

@Jam3sA 3 года назад

Most BMW steering racks have traditionally been less immediate around centre. I actually find my 235s better in that regard than my old E46. The only BMW I can think of that didn't have this characteristic is a E30 M30, which runs way more castor.

@veefource 3 года назад

I'd set out to buy one of these for the more nimble handling over the 240i & it really is quick enough to be fun. But the overly long gearing & especially the numb steering were a huge letdown after my E36 328is. That was when I realised BMW had lost the plot so bought an Audi S1 instead (same price like for like at the time). Cheers for the review though James, there are far too few on this car.

@romachoz 2 года назад

Lol, I do the same, but I have e36 m3 usa version. Sad there is no cars similar to 20 yr old technology

@steffydog 3 года назад

Great honest review, thanks. Taxi!

@user-dg7gn4qk1y 10 месяцев назад

mine in mint condition, had it tuned, put it in sport+ for a car that weight, its a rocket ship, no intention of ever selling

@TheShinyShow 3 года назад

So 230i may not make good financial sense to buy from new, but I may well be good used for the same reason unless the turbo thing is common or a sign of other issues

@superstring101 3 года назад

I'm digging the shirt, James!

@future62 3 года назад

This sounds like the F30 328i I drove. I was making inputs to the chassis, and the chassis was responding, but it was like we were speaking different languages. I am sure a complete overhaul of the suspension would fix it.... but BMW is supposed to get that right from the factory

@MrMarkusmulder 3 года назад

With a good set-up, this rock's....or whatever you want to call it. Nice shirt, yep

@moonoggin 2 года назад

Love you video. Also love your shirt. Do you have a link for it? I need one for my grandson even if I have to have it tailored. It's very cool.

@BiglumpADV 3 года назад

Sod the car look at that shirt! Jay that's your best one yet, love it! 👌🏻😂

@jaysmartin 3 года назад

A BMW needing a new turbo .. the shock 😅

@wokka6850 3 года назад

That's an interesting review. I wonder if this was the 230 m sport or just the stock 230? I have a 2016 228i m sport and it has an extremely communicative steering rack. A bit light, but heaps of feedback and accuracy. It's the reason I chose it over the m235i. This is coming from an ex 987 cayman owner, a car with some of the best hydraulic steering probably available.

@peterwatson9047 2 года назад

Only 'M sport' trim for the 228i and 230i in the UK . This one doesn't have the optional variable sports steering.

@wokka6850 2 года назад

@@peterwatson9047 Its better without the VSS. Thats why I disliked the m235i. Great motor, but no steering feel.

@ShogunsDojo 3 года назад

I also have a 2016 230i. Absolutely agree that the steering has no feel at all however the consistency of the power steering does make catching oversteer quite easy, if that’s any use. My car doesn’t follow cambers or ruts in the road so perhaps that car may need an alignment check. I never find myself wishing it were any quicker but I often wonder what it would be like with the NA 3.0 N52 or N53.

@seveer7 3 года назад

I believe it would be a much more inspiring car to drive. I own a 330i n52 and the noise is what makes me never want to sell it

@seveer7 3 года назад

Also I it would match wonderfully to a 2 series body size

@SampleTracks2224 3 года назад

@@seveer7 nose heavier and slower, but a nice sound!

@seveer7 3 года назад

@@SampleTracks2224 well worth it 👌

@ShogunsDojo 3 года назад

Okay guys, recently upgraded to an M240i LCI Steering feel is completely different. It’s heavier on centre and as you add lock there isn’t too much feel but once it’s loaded up you feel a good connection to the front axle and it unwinds incredibly. I thought it would be the same in that department but I couldn’t have been more wrong 😅

@ZenoOfChios 3 года назад

Hi Jay, I have been following your channel for several years and have generally enjoyed it. Today I realised what it is about you that grates - it’s your pseudo 90s car journalist affectation - I would prefer it if you would speak to me in your real voice. Yours, an insignificant opinion on the internet.

@JayEmmOnCars 3 года назад

Honestly it's just the way the words come out

@UKTonyMagill Год назад

I agree. Exaggerated vowel sounds for emphasis (veeeeeery), like a Clarkson impression.

@rickigoode8536 3 года назад

Great review. How does this compare against the M240i?

@seveer7 3 года назад

So the bisltein shocks is an improvement but the overall steering feel and body roll let's it down or the bilstein shocks are not very good as well as the rest of it being bad???

@ristekostadinov2820 3 года назад

When i saw this review even before the video hit @2:03 i tought to myself this is literaly a modern Nissan Silvia good 4cyl engine and not usable rear seats :)

@SabretoothBarnacle 3 года назад

If the turbo was replaced I'd take a guess that it was the electronic actuator that was failing. BMW won't sell you an actuator on its own as its calibrated to the turbo so end up selling you it as a package.

@Mr330d 3 года назад

That’s nice of them

@tristanblaine8544 3 года назад

I think a lot of BMW's handling traits stem from low profile run flats, my 1 series M sport is so hard over bumps yet the suspension is too soft to B road driving.

@youfelixx 2 года назад

Thanks for this video. Now it's clearer to me what the 230i is

@peterwatson9047 2 года назад

My view is that all the non M or M-Performance models (in the UK this was 218i, 220i, 228i, 218d 220d, 225d) shared the same over-assisted steering and a less sporty chassis setup (or at least less front camber).

@ESKATEUK 2 дня назад

I’d recommend driving one yourself as it’s not half as bad as this guys made it out to be.

@eze8970 3 года назад

Thanks J.

@ChoPi-Eww 3 года назад

I like that succinct advice: as a lot more mods. GTI and Japanese owners, take heart

@willseal582 6 месяцев назад

I had an 125i f20 sport ZF before, and I tried an 320D f30 M sport. I prefer the feeling of the 320 chassis which twist around us and seems more plenty, with more tough chassis. I know the 2 is based on the 1 chassis. It’s better to go with the 320i/328/330i instead so ?

@markhancox5475 3 года назад

To have the Bilstien dampers and not the matching springs is not helping. Also if it's on run flats they do cause tramlining especially if they are worn.

@kamilianos 3 года назад

I had E92 325i on SE suspension , run flats and the car was tram-lining a lot. The road would dictate the course. Even with hydraulic steering, I had no confidence on tight B roads. Under heavy braking, it would move about. The grip was mighty on dry roads and fast corners. Never squalled or flicked the TC light on unless in wet. I think the problem with middle level cars is exactly what you described as ''the car being undecided on what it wants to be''. With BMW, the safest bet are their baby M cars , full M and 3.0 engine or higher in general. Anything below is just does nothing for the enthusiast and it's designed for rental and company car markets.

@SampleTracks2224 3 года назад

Except the M240i doesn't fix this car's problems - it has the same inert, low-specced chassis. The M135i and M140i have the power party trick, but not a lot else.

@infidel900rr 3 года назад

Finally an honest review about these. I just bought one and pretty much hate the thing. Keep trying to convince myself that it's good. there is absolutely no steering feel and the suspension feels like the body is held on by rubber-bands over the four corners. On the limit it's so distant, it's oddly frightening yet boring at the same time; It's not rewarding to get up it like BMWs of the past - it just doesn't respond the way it should and always leaves my disappointed. All the other reviews I watched so far praise this as the great modern BMW, the true driver's car,...?? Give me back my old e90 please. That thing was a gem compared to this!

@TassieLorenzo 3 года назад

It sounds like BMW have lost the plot!

@grtbgf 3 года назад

I was thinking about buying one of these (218 M-package) just for the driving pleasure and capabilities, and so far this is one of the rare instances where i've heard honesty from someone. Thank you.

@davidwhitton5519 3 года назад

There is something that goes wrong with the steering on these cars. I got a diesel version and the handling and steering feel was amazing when I first had it, then out of know were i start the car in morning to go to work as usual, drive down the road and the car felt totally disconnected from the road, Vague steering and felt like the car suspension was all over the shop. As this happened from being brilliant to crap over Knight I thought it might be a software issue, garage found know problem. And I still can't find whats wrong. There were the same issues with the 1 series coupe. If you type in Google search steering gone vauge and car feels unsafe for bmw 1 or 2 series coupe you will see plenty of people experiencing the same thing .

@addykumar672 2 года назад

Hey there. Just stumbled across this comment of yours. Did you have the m sports suspension or the base suspension on your 230i ?

@peterwatson9047 2 года назад

I think the steering feel is poor in terms of weighting and over assistance however once I gelled with the car I found the neutral chassis balance fantastic and also you do feel through the chassis (via the seat and your feet and very slightly through the hands) what each corner is doing and when it is approaching limits of tyre grip. More so at the rear though, I can feel oversteer slip angles before it happens but front end understeer can occur with less warning.

@simonm8988 3 года назад

Superb shirt Jay xD

@SabretoothBarnacle 3 года назад

Sounds like it maybe suffering from excessive toe out from your driving experience?

@loneokami6560 Год назад

230i Vs 125i Coupe which is better?

@SpontaneousEvolution 3 года назад

Between the hair and the shirt I suspect this channel is a kind of Andy Kaufman performance art tribute.

@Bluebottle_GB 3 года назад

Fancy a bash in a 435i? I think it is an underrated GT car on a budget.

@DanPyjamas 3 года назад

Poor Peter. It must have been difficult to sit next to you on this. General question, do the passengers/owners already know roughly what you're going to say about their cars before you film?

@vincentpoole7588 3 года назад

JayM. This 230i should make 270Bhp, which was the same as the old 3.0ltr ? Change the tyres to Yokohama's, as it's likely these will return with dry handling that matches your BMW liking mista ! V.

@apachehelicopter5001 3 года назад

They don’t make as much power as the old cars

@SampleTracks2224 3 года назад

@@apachehelicopter5001 But they do make more torque. I don't believe the old 330iA did 0-60 mph in 5.3 sec, but this one does.

@travisswanson4660 3 года назад

JayEmm... Awesome shirt! Rock it like a SuperRU-vidr!

@JayEmmOnCars 3 года назад

Certainly will

@samcourt6228 3 года назад

Are the side bolsters not electronically adjustable like they are on the M Lites? I’ve never seen a 230 in the wild. I guess like the 125 were totally overshadowed by the 35/40 cars which were heavily discounted so a bit of a performance bargain. Disagree the B58 and revving it out. Mine is happy to go to the redline. Trouble is you’ll be in trouble if the boys in blue catch you. Sounds like the geo is out on this. A trip to Centre Gravity had my 140i driving loads better after lowering it.

@SampleTracks2224 3 года назад

Yep. Priced to encourage discontinuation in the UK. 125i well liked in Germany as a RWD Golf alternative (performance v. similar). Unknown in UK where BMW importer encourages 420d, X-car and M-lite leasing, and the populace is very happy to oblige.

@mvaght87 3 года назад

The 3-cylinder is the B38

@fredsalfa 3 месяца назад

I thought you meant it surprised you in a good way. Should have said it disappointed you. I have rented the F23 220i and that was an outstanding car. Maybe different to the one you drove

@boojum 3 года назад

You managed to highlight in the first minute or so the problem I have with BMW sports seats. As someone who also carries a bit extra around the middle, BMW's idea that narrow squabs + deep bolsters = sporty does not make for a comfortable car and aggravates an already bad back. This seems to be an issue for all 1-4 series since the early noughties and even the F10 suffered too. As someone who was serial BMW buyer in the 90s / noughties, I'd love to return to the marque but until they make their sports seats with a little bit more thought for the more generously upholstered driver I'll be looking at other manufacturers. Audi, MB, Porsche, Volvo get it right, why can't BMW?

@511stunnaaa 2 года назад

What year version would you recommend?

@Mpower-hz4gk 3 года назад

I had an m135i for a few years. The engine was brilliant but the weightless steering and poor suspension let it down. I moved on to an M2 which whilst very firm, at least has much better steering and lots of poise. The m135i was best at 6-7/10ths, above that it fell apart. I suspect this 230i is no different.

@TsZen876 11 месяцев назад

Yh M135i didn’t have a proper diff in most cases and it’s suspension and anti-roll bars are intentionally not as good as a full M car. Great platform for modifications tho, those problems can be iron out.

@patrikj.560 3 года назад

Thanks for the review James. Interesting to watch as always. Was the car on runflats? They can really ruin a BMW on normal (not perfect German) roads

@SampleTracks2224 3 года назад

They are all runflats, yes. Americans get all sorts of options on the 230i like the Track Handling Package and Michelin SPS4s, but Brits aren't really interested in that. Just lease performance and 0-60.

@peterwatson9047 3 года назад

It came from factory with run flats but is now on michellin Pilot Sport 4 non run-flats

@patrikj.560 3 года назад

@@peterwatson9047 Okay, thanks for the input

@VladoT 3 года назад

I never liked the billsteins having them in my car for a while and replacing with D2 units.

@roadhouseguy 3 года назад

This is your best shirt yet!

@oisinjoyce 3 года назад

Near made me fall off the bed!

@wholesome4028 3 года назад

his shirt choices never fail to entertain, this is part of why i love this channel.

@Sladey93 3 года назад

Great review, but no 4K? 😕

@tomfidler2213 3 года назад

but its a shoebox had to replace the clutch and flywheel to the cost of 2k only done 44k miles

@deenoc3622 3 года назад

That shirt...is...FANTASTIC. Forget the car.

@SampleTracks2224 3 года назад

Did BMW even sell the 230i there? I thought they all leased 218s and diesels.

@avalanx 3 года назад

Definitely sounds like something is wrong with this particular car. Suspension and handling I would consider one of the 230i's strong points. Steering is light and precise, but the feeling is somewhat numb. The relatively short wheel base will easily exacerbate a steering/suspension issue.

@varchitectinblack3307 3 года назад

Sod the car - what a shirt!!! ❤️

@msitpro1 3 года назад

Amazing... I took my gf's 2015 125i F20 M Sport out for a little blast last night between Ipswich and Hadleigh and came back with the EXACT same conclusion. Zero steering feel. Abysmal. I'm wondering if a little more camber and caster would improve it. Maybe a poly bush or two on the front arms. Other thing is that it's classic modern German suspension where it bounces off bumps, particularly at high speed - over damped. Apparently this is due to BMW using very little suspension travel before hitting a polyurethane-like bump-stop. I would think that is why the owner of the car you drove has changed to Bilstein shocks. Would be interesting for me/you to compare the two setups. Other things that struck me - gear mechanism is too long, could do with short shifter kit. Engine is way too quiet, can't hear what it's doing when driving enthusiastically. Needs freer flowing panel filter at least. (I drive a modified 350Z and a stock E90 325i so normally have glorious noises) Engine (N20 in this case) has oodles of torque but flattens off at 5k.

@TassieLorenzo 3 года назад

Excellent points David!

@ShowMeWhatINeedToKnow 2 года назад

I believe you can upgrade the bushings in the thrust arm. They come with super soft bushings that have a lot of on-center movement.

@tome222 3 года назад

Love the news presenter voice. Needlessly pause after every 3 words.

@JayEmmOnCars 3 года назад

You try doing this unscripted

@rio8677 3 года назад

God bless That hair

@ShowMeWhatINeedToKnow 2 года назад

I believe you can upgrade the bushings in the thrust arm for much better steering.

@Fee.1 3 года назад

I didn’t realize this was the 4 cylinder until halfway through. Bmw can’t do much of anything right these days. Blows my mind how they went from a German version of the Honda’s heyday With bigger motors, etc. and eventually turns into a double German Volkswagen with little benefit. I know that comparison makes no sense to anyone but it does in my head so

@baronvonlimbourgh1716 3 года назад

Downsizing and obligatory turbo's killed bmw. But it doesn't matter anymore now, next generation will all be electric anyway.

@SampleTracks2224 3 года назад

Is everyone really this unaware? Surprised you're on this channel and don't even know the basics! BMW went to 3.0 badges in 2015, and before that were 2.8. They've been four-pots now for nearly a *decade*.

@Fee.1 3 года назад

@@SampleTracks2224 seriously though guy, for much of the lineup the x30 designation only came back for 2017, for those of us who aren’t still in puberty and have been appreciating decades worth of bmw 3.0 Liter in-line 6’s, it’s still easy to forget and we don’t exactly trace exactly which year particular models switched over and keep it at the forefront of our mind. Wtf is your deal? Bmw is literally known for their inline 6’s in Pre-Pubescen Pauly shows up with a bad attitude talking ish about how we should know it’s an inline 4 now and NEVER FORGET FOR A SPLIT SECOND and if we look at a bmw 230 or 330i without even knowing what year it is and have the nerve to absent mindedly assume it’s a 3.0 liter we should be ashamed etc etc go. Phuck. Yourself. Mate.

@SampleTracks2224 3 года назад

@@Fee.1 Nope. 30i appeared in 2015, and 28i since 2012 (traditionally six cylinders, since the 1930s). So, nearly a decade if hearing people say "oh isn't it a six-pot well well well". Tell you what guy, I'll go "phuck" myself if you educate yourself. Sounds like a fair deal.

@Fee.1 3 года назад

@@SampleTracks2224 you’re daft 😂

@Rialas 3 года назад

It’ll probably better on stock shocks.

@jimdee9801 3 года назад

I thought the 230i was more reliable with the older engine than the 240

@paolopanetta10011 3 года назад

good video, but audio was way lower than usual

@X8X8X8X8X8X8X8X8X8X 3 года назад

No "Garantie" in Germany, only "Gewährleistung". The difference does not translate to the English term warranty: - Garantie: the seller has to prove the fault did not exist at the time of purchase - which is virtually impossible. - Gewährleistung (two years are mandated by law for every purchase): the buyer has to prove the fault did exist at the time of purchase - utterly impossible.

@tackycomrade 3 года назад

Lol I totally forgot the 230i and 228i were a thing for about a year since this video 😂

@youtubed20 3 месяца назад

Hi, What is the true mpg combined, please?

@ravendark2422 3 года назад

Nice blouse

@davidviner4932 3 года назад

Get the tracking done and some new tyres maybe?

@williamfence566 3 года назад

Had an E36 6 cylinder coupe which was brilliant if a touch thirsty . 4 cylinder is a no on this one

@SampleTracks2224 3 года назад

Except as he points out, it's the best bit of the car. And has the performance (most of the power, and MUCH more torque) of the first E36 M3.

@maschan91 3 года назад

The moment when the cheapest new 2 series is RWD and has a manual gearbox...

@sheldonholy5047 3 года назад

Suspension is insanely hard on new M sport BMWs. I got an Msport F11 535d and ended up replacing it with another F11 that had the adaptive dampers. Without the adaptive dampers it was always jittering about and just way too hard, and this is on a 5 series... Had a new G series 320i loan car recently that also had the adaptive dampers. Comfort mode was very hard and sport mode was an absolute joke.

@SampleTracks2224 3 года назад

Cars are not built for the UK at all. They still buy them there though. Jag and Alfa both better to drive than even the new G20, but the badges are not enough.

@sheldonholy5047 3 года назад

@@SampleTracks2224 yeah, I've heard the Jags are set up much better for UK roads. Unfortunately when I went to a dealership and enquired about an XF, the salesman had absolutely no interest in helping me or answering questions and was generally quite snobby. I've had enough of snobby dealerships with BMW so my new car order ended up with Toyota, for a GR Yaris.

@TassieLorenzo 3 года назад

But that's the way a BMW is supposed to be, it's the "ultimate driving machine" (TM). If you wanted a smooth ride why didn't you get the Luxury package instead of the M-Sport package? That's *what the luxury package is for*! People choosing the M-Sport package instead of the Luxury package and then complaining about the ride makes no sense. The pre-facelift F30 M-Sport setting were considered too floaty compared to the E90, so that's why BMW stiffened it up again for the G20 to put it back to how it's supposed to be. :)

@nk1506 7 месяцев назад

I have a 2021 U.S. market 230i with 6 speed manual and Michellin PSS non-runflats. The car was a factory order ar the start of Covid and showed up with Continental performance runflats, i.e. not according to order spec, which the dealer immediately agreed to replace. I agree about the dead steering feel but not the ride and handling, at least not on U.S. roads. I ruined a base Cavalier hears ago by swapping out the shocks. The average owner is not going to improve the ride/handling compromise that BMW engineered into the car after spending many hours and much development money. Leave the thing alone.

@CathodeRayNipplez 3 года назад

I like Bimmers but bonkers engineering makes fixing them is a total pain in the ass.

@andylaws4247 3 года назад

I totally agree. Anyone else had oil leaks from 118D E87 oil filter housing on engine block?!

@GeorgeAusters 3 года назад

BMW's are the easiest cars to work on.

@EvoraGT430 3 года назад

@@GeorgeAusters You cannot be serious.

@TassieLorenzo 3 года назад

@@GeorgeAusters You make great BMW videos Sir, but I'm not sure about that.

@GeorgeAusters 3 года назад

These must be pretty rare

@apachehelicopter5001 3 года назад

I picked up a manual M235i a few weeks ago and it’s absolutely brilliant, makes the 4 pot totally obsolete

@josephparkes746 3 года назад

Hi mate do u have a pre 2015, because I’m looking a an m135i 2014 which is basically the same car, just would like to know ur opinions

@apachehelicopter5001 3 года назад

@@josephparkes746 hi mate, mines a may 2015 car, and to be honest there’s not a bad word I can say about it. Engine pulls extremely nicely, with the torque keeping you going till about 5.5k and then the turbo pushing you to redline. Ride is absolutely gorgeous with the adaptive dampers, and the H/K sound system is absolutely fantastic. An M135i with the extra practically is all the car you’ll ever need (:

@SampleTracks2224 3 года назад

Why? So there's only room for a 330 bhp six, or a piddling 115 bhp diesel? You do know there is room in the middle for something else, right? Weird British attitude...

@markwalton8644 3 года назад

I really don't get modern BMW's. They make out there the Drivers choice, but they deliver a car with lifeless steering, run flats which leave a car fidgety and out of sort on a country road. The suspension I'm sure could be sorted but lifeless steering probably not!! Really should be excellent from the outset!! Also BMW's insistence now, to give a 230 badge only to find a 2.0 under the bonnet, it's like they are trying to make it sound better than it actually is!! Why can't it be a 220tt, sounds good to me!!

@SampleTracks2224 3 года назад

240i has a 3-litre. 318i has a 1.5. 1979 745i had a 3.2. 2015 750i had a 4.4. Why is any of this still news?

@markwalton8644 3 года назад

@@SampleTracks2224 I don't understand why they number the cars in a way that makes no sense, like I said!!

@TassieLorenzo 3 года назад

Unfortunately most people who buy BMW just don't care. If they cater to Ultimate Driving Machine fans, then other BMW buyers come back to the dealer complaining of a rough ride, steering that wiggles about too much etc. :(

@thedetailingdoctor5746 3 года назад

I always miss your videos when I’m at yours 🤣🤣 the only downside !

@cvandenhaute 3 года назад

Once again, another illustration that BMW forgot to make properly fun cars, especially in the steering department. I used to own a 128i (us version, with the detuned 3.0 N52), loved it so much that I kept it for 9 years. Never considered the 2 series, went for a Genesis G70

@SampleTracks2224 3 года назад

Genesis G70 cancelled in the UK after two years, sold 50 cars. The gulf in tastes between the US and UK as wide as ever!

@cvandenhaute 3 года назад

@@SampleTracks2224 You guys are missing out, the G70 is a legitimate sports sedan...

@childnuk 3 года назад

Nah, not really, my m235i is always 23mpg, and at 42k miles it isn’t valued much more than the 230i. Don’t mind the lower mpg because I love getting it up to all the way to redline. The sound is intoxicating. Be it real or fake!

@SampleTracks2224 3 года назад

Yep. I don't know where people get the idea that the six has equal mpg. You can coax great mileage out of it with 1,800 rpm, no speeding and little fun, but wind it up and it drinks like you expect it to - lots.

@childnuk 3 года назад

@@SampleTracks2224 I was on the return leg of a road trip once, from Germany to UK in one go. It’s a battle between my speed and number of pit stops. Every time, I ended up saying fuck it and put my foot down. I bought the car to go fast.

@Manu-Official 3 года назад

Leg on the bolster means you have leg cramps 200 miles later.

@chrisblay 3 года назад

Blimey, I had to adjust the brightness on my screen to allow for that shirt.🤣

@Fee.1 3 года назад

Is there any way to put after market seat rails or something to fix the canted over seats?

@iGSL22 3 года назад

Have you drove one? I've seen reviewers mention the off centre seating a lot, but with my 235i I've not found it to be an issue at all.

@Fee.1 3 года назад

@@iGSL22 yea, how tall are you? Do you drive an automatic?

@iGSL22 3 года назад

@@Fee.1 I'm 6' 1, driving manual

@Fee.1 3 года назад

@@iGSL22 interesting, I wonder if it’s a height/is mean thing. I’m 5’11 but relatively short 30” ish inseam

@iGSL22 3 года назад

@@Fee.1 I'm about 32" so similarly proportioned. That said, I know someone who was around your height who ended up going with the auto due to this issue. I was pleasantly surprised at how well the pedal positions are for me. Inside leg rests against centre console, but there's some padding there so it's not uncomfortable, even over longer distances. Heel-toeing is nice and easy as well, much easier than the Mk7 golf I was in previously. Sorry to hear it's not great for yourself. I'm sure I read that the slightly off centre seats were for crash protection, at least it's not just a random decision by BMW

@nahnatsnotme937 3 года назад

Never knew a 230i even existed 😂

@DontPanicDear 3 года назад

That pretty much sums up all the F series cars! They firm and sporty at low speeds, but they all fall apart flopping all over the road, with fly-by-wire feeeling video game steering. Sadly you can’t fix them like the E series cars. No amount of money and mods really get any feel into the steering. As much as I wanted a 140/240 for the great engine and compact packaging, I could just never get past the poor chassis dynamics.

@suckmydollypeople 3 года назад

hahahah state on that shirt. btw i got a 2004 lexus is300 here if you wanna review it

@suckmydollypeople 3 года назад

the one with the 2jz

@CaiSpidox 3 года назад

Would love one of those! Great car man!

@Birmingham_racing 3 года назад

Those are rare in the uk

@sparky6996 3 года назад

Wait up! Have a Bmw on run flats in Germany. Travel to the UK in it...German roads are far superior not like the crap in uk. 0 problems here...go to UK I can drive over 25 potholes in 5 miles....2 in germany to Holland....thats a 600 mile drive..its the uk roads...just that.

@baronvonlimbourgh1716 3 года назад

Uk roads are terrible indeed.

@sparky6996 3 года назад

@@baronvonlimbourgh1716 its just the uk..third world roads...what economy is it oh yes 4th...sorry 7th...

@SampleTracks2224 3 года назад

Agreed. Your roads are absolutely terrible. Built only for Jags and little pre-war MGs. Cup of tea and a bounce around.

@sparky6996 3 года назад

@@SampleTracks2224 not my roads and I live in germany and im scottish 😁😁😁