The Book Was Better: Hunger Games Review Redux 

Wait they weren't?! Man I remembered that book wrong.

Yeah that part did confuse me in the book trying to figure out if the dead bodies they took were transformed or if they were separate. But genetic manipulation becomes a key plot point in later books

@@shadowofthesilver I believe in the third book there was a quick line about it, *Spoilers For Mockingjay * As the Lizards-creatures are chasing them through the sewers, when they hiss, it sounds like they say 'Katniss' like there targeting her specifically. Katniss's inner monologue says that she recognises Snow is built them that way to mess with her head, similar to the dogs in the first book. There may have been some confusion there because in the first book, she genuinely thought the dogs were made from the previous tributes.

Right? I went to see this in theaters with my mom when it came out and was disappointed. Partially because it was to dark to see the fully rendered dogs, but because they were supposed to be similar to their corresponding tribute in terms of the color of their eyes and fur

I know it was genetic mutations but I would believe that they stole the eyes straight from the corpses of the kids

If I was into that type of art, I would have loved to be apart of the crew

Either that they hated their lives after a while. 😂

They did. I heard in an interview that they asked the author how she wanted the costumes to look and she said something along the lines of "You do costumes and makeup and I don't. You do what you do best."

I don't see what they do, we have katniss's mother whom is catatonic and her sister being sad. She doesn't think she'll survive so gale tries convincing her that she WILL come back, not should or can but you WILL survive this

honestly it depends on the type of tree and how hot you can get it. Wet pine burns good. Real good

@@the_inquisitive_inquisitor I really hope you learn that from a fireplace

@@apuppetandacookie8200 bonfire pit

@@the_inquisitive_inquisitor Wood that is wet from the outside is one thing, live/freshly cut wood is another. Even if you manage to get it burning, boiling out all the water inside siphons A LOT of thermal energy. And setting a large tree on fire is EXTREMELY difficult. There would be an argument to be made for setting up a ring of fire around the tree to smoke her out, but that still depends on wether she can climb high enough to escape the smoke.

@@michaelt.5672 I've burned pine that I cut the same day and once it gets going it REALLY gets going. Like I said, it depends on the type of tree. Pine sap is really thick and resinous and burns like napalm

Same. I like Haymitch being very manipulative (in a good way) to help out Peeta and Katniss as much as possible... But I also loved that he was a drunk almost beyond help. The movie lacked that part.

The movies glossed over a lot of stuff that people don’t realize. The story behind the mockingjay pin being the biggest, in my eyes. The old woman’s story was so beautiful, I wish it was part of the movie so badly.

Additionally, there are all kinds of cake decorating, from using lots of frosting to create shapes when squeezed out of a bag to *painting the designs on to a fondant base using brushes and food coloring.* No, "decorating cakes" is not the same as "camouflage," but it's basically Peeta's shorthanded way of saying he is an artist...something we don't get a better idea of until book 2. It might be that he doesn't consider himself an "artist" because he doesn't use paints or colored pencils or markers or whatever--supplies he cannot get really, because luxury items like that are only obtainable by people with more money and idle time on their hands, and while Peeta's family is better off than Katniss's, they are still working class and money is still an issue (his mother struck him in the head for burning a couple of loaves of bread which made them now unsellable). Btw, Krim, while many people in District 12 ARE poor, there are government officials stationed in the district who have more money to spend, and then there are families like the mayor's, whose daughter gave Katniss the mockingjay pin in the book, who are much better off and have money to spend on "fancy" things like decorated cakes. Additionally, even poor people TRY to get things like decorated cakes for special occasions even if they have to save up for it. It was never supposed to be that everyone in 12 is starving or on the edge of starvation. Katniss' family was in a particularly vulnerable situation because her father was dead and her mother fell apart after the fact. Without the breadwinner in the family who worked in the mines and brought home money, the Everdeens were in a bad situation. The only means they had of making money were selling the cheese made from the goat's milk of Prim's goat, and whatever trade Katniss could get for the small game she illegally hunted. The family's situation really comes down to Mrs. Everdeen seeming to be unable to cope with her husband's death. While it's never explicitly stated since the books are from Kat's POV and she has obvious resentment towards her mother for not taking care of the family, it is at least heavily implied that Mrs. Everdeen fell into a deep depression. There is a lot you have to glean from between the lines in the series, and there is a lot that isn't known about Kat's mom. But what we do learn is that she was a merchant's daughter and learned her healing arts in the apothecary they owned. Peeta's father was in love with her at one time, but she "ran off with a coal miner." The term "ran off" makes it seem as though she married against her parents' wishes, and being that we are told District 12 is in the part of Panem that used to be Appalachia, we can assume that old Southern values and traditions still are a big deal there and marrying against your family's wishes can get you expelled from the family. Since Mrs. Everdeen is still young enough that her parents could and likely should still be alive, the fact that they are not helping to make sure their granddaughters aren't starving suggests that either they have fallen on hard times, too, or they are no longer speaking to their daughter and no longer acknowledge her. Either way, it appears she had no support system/family to count on for help once her husband was dead, and fell to pieces because she did not know how or was incapable of supporting her daughters. Gale's family, likewise, was in a bad situation because he, too had lost his father in the mines, and he had three younger siblings to help support from the age of 14. He would not be allowed to work in the mines until he got out of school, so that is why his family was living in poverty too. And no, half-starving coal miners do not dig coal out any better, but the history has always shown that coal-mining families live on the edge of the poverty line. They are well enough off as long as the miner in the family is strong enough and healthy enough to keep doing the work, but medical expenses eat into their salaries in a big way, and if they are ever injured, killed, or even just fired from their jobs, the family is in dire straits VERY quickly. Coal mining towns don't tend to invest in many other businesses, so without the mining job, there is no other way to bring in money. That's how the mining company keeps them dependent and under their thumbs.

Also I got the opinion Peeta wasn’t perfectly blending himself in like they showed him but he understood color theory and new how to juxtapose light and shadows to better hide himself. Like all the book ever described was very effective use of mud and other surrounding environmental materials

@@hellogoditsmesara3569 right like where and why would they have brushes in the training room? Like you said in the book and makes way more sense he would use natural materials which he can use the skill of “decorating” baked goods in an artful way of blending not full on Picasso here’s how I paint myself to be a chameleon.

Its even better since the name of the country is Bread

@@fangsabre im unsure if this is a slap in the face or divine perfection

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Exactly. Katniss even says it herself. The odds actually WERE in her favor.

silverbrumbyfan I agree, although I will say there were a few times they brought it up, In the movie, after Prim wakes up crying, Katniss tells her “Your name’s only in there once”. And later, when Katniss is saying bye to her mother and Prim, she tells Prim “Don’t sign up for Tesserae, it’s not worth putting your name in more times”. However, they didn’t go as deep as the books did, and there definitely wasn’t as much of an impression of how unlikely that was.

for real, and given how desolate that state was katniss wasnt the only one to have her name duplicates into that bowl. Primerose getting picked was an anomaly. id argue the odds dont actually exist and the system picked primerose on purpose just like the 11 girl

Weren't the results staged?

The way I see it the miners and their families would be sort of taken care for by the capital, I'm not saying they'd live like kings just enough to survive and keep them semi fit so that they could continue working and get as many people in the mines as possible. When Katniss' father died they lost that small bit of protection (Gale's father was killed too in the accident), I'm not entirely sure but I haven't found any evidence that suggests women or under 18s can be miners too in the book. So if their father hadn't died Katniss probably wouldn't need to rely on her hunting skills so much. Basically it means if you or someone in your family isn't down in the mines you're going to starve

It's also similar to how Coal operator exploited and kept Miners and their families in abject poverty until the West Virginia Coal wars.

True, the miners are getting paid, so the comparison to slavery was inappropriate, but the miners are barely paid enough. (also they don't really starve because they bribe peacekeepers.) Subjugating people, I agree with Krimson, would be pretty stupid, if it weren't for the Hunger Games, which are supposed to deter revolution.

evil and stupid are 2 very different things. Subjugating people into a state where they can't win if they try to rise up is evil, bu makes a lot of sense in keeping their privileged status. "The capitol is stupid" my ass.

The books describe multiple people who do starve to death in districts 11 and 12, and everyone who is dead isn’t working.

I think he was aware that she was the only hope for her family, while his family could cope very well without him, and in the last book, his whole family is murdered, so he has nothing else to live for except Katniss

He’s my favorite character

Nora Girl You’re right. I really didn’t like the actor playing it and never read the books, so I guess that’s why I never liked Peeta. Also his name reminds me too much of PETA and pita. 😂

"Creepy, manipulative or controlling " So, not Christian Grey

Peeta definitely strikes me as an Angel type character..... if Angel were s lot less broody

No you're right. He basically caves her skull in with a rock. Although it's not upside. He slams it straight into her temple. But they cant show that kindof damage in a pg 13 movie

I remember the first book the most, so I won’t speak on the other two, but the book was way more graphic than the movie. The one that sticks in my mind the most is the tracker jacker part From the book: [In reference to Glimmer] “This girl, so breathtakingly beautiful in her golden dress the night of the interviews, is unrecognizable. Her features eradicated, her limbs three times their normal size. The stinger lumps have begun to explode, spewing putrid green liquid around her. I have to break several of what used to be her fingers with a stone to free the bow. The sheath of arrows is pinned under her back. I try to roll over her body by pulling on one arm, but the flesh disintegrates in my hands and I fall back on the ground.” [Skipped the paragraph after that one] “ ‘Do this!’ I command myself. Clenching my jaw, I dig my hands under Glimmer’s body, get a hold on what must be her rib cage, and force her onto her stomach... I tug on the silver sheath of arrows, but it’s caught on something, her shoulder blade, something, and finally yank it free.” [Careers come back to the site] “But it’s too late to run. I pull a slimy arrow from the sheath and try to position it on the bow string but instead of one string I see three and the stench from the stings is so repulsive I can’t do it(x3).” (p. 192-193) Even though it’s just a hallucination, it’s still pretty nasty ngl. And yes, I did pull out my copy just to respond to this. Thankfully voice to text exists so I didn’t have to type all that

@@ambrosiadreamer Sorry to bother you after two years, but could you recommend me a voice to text app or something? I've been looking for one for ages

remind me who donald sutherland is?

@@TheBonkleFox President Snow.

@@stephaniewozny3852 No I know who he voiced, I just have no idea what other roles he's done.

He played Merrick in the original Buffy the Vampire Slayer movie.

We do not talk about the original Buffy the Vampire Slayer movie. It never happened, there is only the show.

*confide

but isn't that more profound and beautiful though? two characters who learnt to love each other by being there for each other, and none of this shit fluff romance and shallow physical attraction. the world they live in does not call for romance. it's a hard bitter world and they found each other. i think it's a different kind of love, and it's valid.

@@barabaramoo attachment through trauma isn't romantic.

I agree, especially when you compare it to other movie adaptations that were made around that time _cough_ percy jackson _cough_

4th movie good. You are an intelligent being

the weird roleplay acting thing they both were doing was weird and seem forced and idk just didnt flow well, honestly i think itd be better if they just act natural and be themselves ahhaha

@@TwiCaCaX I agree I really didnt like the acting and little skits

Yeah, they aren't exactly the best actors

Gee, it's as if they are youtubers and not professional actors.

I wish someone would pop out of a box and give me a pet cat. XD

This is still very sad, all hail Miska, our eternal Lord

That makes sense, she knows she can't beat any of them and likely can't trick them so choose your own way out

lost a leg, almost died, kidnapped, tortured and brainwashed, all for Katniss

Pferd Schild they probably don't have enough fuel tho

even with setting the tree on fire, fire isn't reliable or easily controlled once it gets going. There are the game masters who could put out the fire (they do make crazy wild fire too), but would they or would they allow the fire to burn? There's too many factors to waste on one contestant that they believe won't be a challenge...

I just thought it was a fake tree with camera technology inside.

That tree could definitely burn there's enough leaf litter around to start a fire Containing that fire to just that tree is another matter

Ehh, The Lord of the Rings books used the word "queer" too often to be taken seriously. My vote goes to the movies minus the Hobbit.

ltflak that’s a product of the time it was written in. Not a fault of the writing.

And in a few decades, the LotR movies will look dated. Not a fault of the filmmaking process.

ltflak people can still appreciate good film making when done well enough. We still like movies from 20 years ago despite dated effects. Hell To Kill a Mockingbird is in black and white and it’s hailed as a classic. Plus, are you really going to fault an author for using a word he had no idea would fall out of use? That’s like saying the Iliad sucks, because Ancient Greek died as a language

I did not say the LotR books were bad, I quite enjoyed reading them, but the antiquated language kept pulling me out of the story. Same with the Iliad, it all suppose to be a poem but in the translated version it's just a story. I can't appreciate the Iliad in the original Ancient Greek so of course the work suffers as a result. To Kill a Mockingbird didn't have to rely on so many special effects, so it can age better, but it is still aging.

Please tell me that you're just fucking with us with that shitty defense

the pin was given to katniss by her classmate after she volunteered, in the books.

She still died doe

@@imabitchbutiwouldliketosay5230 they didn’t mean in the other books. They mean it protected Prim from being sent to the games

And what makes it so that the pin is 100% why Katness survived? Correlation =/= causation.

I was thinking about that the whole time lmao. The Hunger Games got really popular when I was in 5th grade or so (when the first movie came out), so it’s probably just be being a dweeb. It’s definitely a series I remember decently well. I always think about just how much more brutal/intense the books were whenever I watch the movies

Finally, I was looking for someone to say it.

What's more unbelievable is that painting, especially realistic painting which involves multiple levels of shading and lots and lots of color matching, most of which can only be done accurately if the under layer has completely dried and careful detail work cannot be done quickly enough to be any sort of defense, especially while wounded and being hunted

Thankyou Thankyou Thankyou! Thank you Thankyou thank you! (Sing to the tune of ‘Conga Conga Conga’)

Kidato yeah it’s kinda cringey but the way you make it better is to imagine that their a couple and that all these interactions are cute couple moments between him and Diana

Kidato I don’t really like her. I don’t know if it’s just me, but I feel like she tries a little too hard

Wow people are no fun here

Could be worse - like Doug Walker

I agree. Theres a lot of situations like this in other reviews that include other people. I'm glad I'm not the only one who thinks they're super cringy, and Krimsons over the top yelling and sarcasm in some places is super unnecessary. I love the reviews but idk...

Not to mention, keeping your country starving and ill makes it harder forbthe to rebel.

AdiMillion It’s not a conspiracy theory that Jennifer Lawrence is a millionaire elite that thinks her political opinions are the only correct ones and tries to use her influence to force middle America to vote for policies that directly hurt them but help others like her.

@@brandismith3911 remember, when it comes to the rich a "bribe" is just a "donation".

Mark Nordin also didn’t the minors get paid in food

Salene Brom Tbf, I don’t think it’s mentioned in the movie

red16wolf that bit always makes me burst out laughing

That makes me not ship them though. If the relationship is forced or coerced I don't ship it. Never could.

@@UnknownUnknown-mo7zg Its funny....in the end, when they went back to District 12 together at the end of Mockingjay and they were alone....no Effie, no President Snow dictating their every move, no threat of death.....I felt like the love between Katniss and Peeta was very genuine. They had both LITERALLY been through hell in the Games....twice....and survived. Katniss lost her little sister....she essentially lost Gale and her Mom as well....she was alone. Peeta was brainwashed by President Snow. He didn't know what was real and what was warped. And in the end, when Katniss thought she was alone, he found her again. I felt like when they were lying together in bed and he asked her "Do you love me, real or not real?" and she said "real", she meant it this time. It wasn't just part of a game. I think in that moment, all the walls that she had carefully built around her heart came tumbling down and she let herself truly love him.....and trust him. Remember she said at the beginning of her journey that she would never have children.....she had children with Peeta.

@@CeltycSparrow Yeah, but the start of their relationship is just too 'ick'. It's comparable to a forced marriage ( Well it WAS a forced marriage.) which shouldn't have happened in the first place. I don't care what the end result is ( And yes I met my soon to be exhusband while we were deployed so I know how the bond feels.), it's just a couple I can't ship because of their origins. Origins are very important to me when it comes to consent and marriage. Tainted fruit ruins the dessert regardless how sweet the fruit is.

@@UnknownUnknown-mo7zg The thing is, though, that she was never forced or coerced into a relationship with him. She was coerced into a PRETENCE of a relationship with him. Yeah, that still is unfair because she wasn't really left with a choice as Haymitch and Peeta decided this without consulting her and after that televised interview, she couldn't really undo it without seriously hurting her public image and thus her chances of survival. But for me, that aspect of it really made me enjoy the complexity of their relationship. It's not like Katniss had to do anything like have sex with him even though she didn't want to. She just had to act lovey dovey with him for the cameras. I enjoyed how their interactions kept you constantly guessing. For the longest time, you're never quite sure how much of their relationship is real or indeed when any of it becomes real. I think as mentioned in the review, this is where the book has the advantage. Being told from Katniss's first person perspective means you get to see directly into her head and all her different developing feelings. Even though she herself doesn't realise it or admit it for the longest time, the reader can see how even as she continues the pretence, she is developing genuine feelings for Peeta. This becomes especially evident as the love triangle with Gale becomes more pronounced and you get to compare her relationship and interactions with him against hers with Peeta. Although Peeta's motivations are rather mysterious at the start of the series, his love for her becomes pretty obvious later when we see the lengths he'll go to to protect Katniss. So I don't think it's fair to compare their relationship to a forced marriage. I come from a culture where arranged marriages (not forced mind you just arranged) are common and you don't get to really know your partner until after marriage. Peeta and Katniss aren't comparable to that. Despite how their relationship began, they still got to know each other, suffer together and overcome hardship together and develop a genuine bond. At the end of Mockingjay, they're no longer under surveillance and threat from the capitol. They're free to cut ties and yet they don't. They choose to stay together and get married. There's nothing forced about it

@@Scheherazade-pr4jt yeah it is pretty interesting

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silverbrumbyfan I left the same comment that vampire diaries came first. But in the 90's when I read them as 12 year old I thought they were awesome and reread them multiple times. They have a special place in my heart. They changed up a lot in the TV series, but I'm so glad they were true to the character of Damon. From the first scene he is in he owned and embodied that characters danger, and flipant manner. If you knew the back story from the books you could see how he was following thru with making Stefan suffer, but still falling short of killing him, not really out of brotherly love but he must live to suffer more

I will admit I liked the first 2 books when I first read them but after that it got really weird, like when Elena died she came back as this weird angel thing and then you had the kitsunes (a creature I really wish they had in the show) and Caroline having Tylers pups Damon was the only character I liked in the books especially that moment where he throws Matt onto the roof of a car for holding a stick near him

silverbrumbyfan I know the auther wrote more books deacades after the first ones, and when I read the summary and and exerpt from the book it did seem off and wierd and haven't read them. But the first trilogy from the 90's The Awakening, The Struggle, The Fury were good. And the extra book The Reunion with Elena dead but trying to reach out was good. In the end the Powers that be gave her back as a reward, and I always thought that it was as human. That was the end of the seiries for decades. Than Vap Diaries airs and becomes huge so L.J Smith starts writing in that universe and I'm like what are you doing to Elana? Angel? What? No! So the first four are Cannon to me and the newer where she 'jumped the shark' are fanfic by an author that didn't reread her original work before writing more

silverbrumbyfan also Damon is awesome. I reread every part he was in the books so many times. Love that part with Matt and how he would play with him. Best character

silverbrumbyfan If it's better than the Twilight franchise, I could care less.

Damon is INFINITELY superior to Edward in every way. He's hotter, he's stronger, he's more bad-ass, he has FAR better chemistry with Elena than Edward does with Bella....he makes snarling and being covered in blood look sexy. Did I mention he's hotter? He is more protective of the people he loves. His voice is sexier. And he DOESN'T SPARKLE.

im a straight male and i would want to bond with Damon

And isn't it Stefan whose more like Edward than Damon? Stefan is the broody one and even he has more personality than Edward and better chemistry with Elena. More than Bella and Edward anyway. Damon and Elena just have more chemistry

Not to mention that the Salvatore brothers and the Originals are INFINITELY superior to the Twilight vampires in every way. Most importantly being THEY DON'T SPARKLE. They smolder. lol

i think he was probably reffering to the show? havent gotten to that patt in the video yet tho so idk for sure

@@sokkvabekkr5973 I think you are correct that he's probably referring to the show. I have read the books though....still better than Twilight. lol

Those plastic feather are ok, I mean the Capitol constructed it.

Regularshowman I think he’s trying to copy Linkara actually, and this was an older review

Jacob Licklider 1. It's a mix of both, at least. 2. Not very old, if certain parts of this review are to believed.

Regularshowman what? They're fun at least i like em

I like them

Nah I think they’re fun

Not to mention the English edition of the manga altered even more than the original version.

But bodies are retrieved in only minutes and that's because in previous games a kid ate another and it was too much of a grotesque scene for the people. It is not shown in the first movie but it still happened

Oh my god, YES.

Because I am incredibly stubborn.

Battle royale*

@@imabitchbutiwouldliketosay5230 besides the children fighting to death plot, battle royal and hunger games are little to nothing alike

@@imabitchbutiwouldliketosay5230 Battle royale wasn't the first "children in a death game" story lol

Sounds like we need another book.

@@ursaminor9780 sadly the next book we are getting is based on President Snow. I trust Collins to write the book not for money but for genuine wanting to expand the story. But I wish it was a different character.

Arianna Counts Same. Hopefully she’ll do that next. I mean, I’m also interested in what Collins does with the book, but I guess I just wasn’t particularly interested in hearing Snow’s backstory. Part of what I liked about him was how much was implied rather than stated, or left in the dark altogether. But hey, maybe I’ll be surprisingly pleased with this. Either way, fingers crossed for a story Thresh’s pov.

@@ursaminor9780 I like the idea if a Snow backstory. I love back stories... But it sounds like it's gonna be a "I fell in love with this person and they died. So now in evil." type if backstory. Especially if the rumors are true and it's gonna be Snow falling in love with a girl he's mentoring for an early Hunger Games and the girl dies in the games.... It would make him running the games and being so cruel very unbelievably hypocritical. Let's just hope that the rumors aren't true.

Eh tomato potato

Yeah a few varieties of bread have names that essentially mean bread.

Francis Thompson And the boy from 3 to move the landmines.

I mean, Diana Wynn Jones said herself said that the movie should be considered separate from the book. Although Krimson talking about Diana Wynn Jones would be awesome.

Airsoft according to some other comment ^^

Katherine Seward except that the game makers removed her body as soon as Katniss left.

That fast?! Wow, they were even worst than I thought.

He knew rue shadowed katniss in training and that katniss was always kind to her

apparently in the book, Katniss told Thresh what she did for Rue when the child died. How they formed an alliance and how she sang Rue to death and decorated her in flowers and comforted her in her last moments and that is why Thresh chose to spare Katniss at the feast rather than kill her as he did Clove. It was the honorable thing to do since Katniss had shown Rue kindness. In the movie, he just spares her because he hears Clove gloating about killing Rue.

Also, in the books theres a whole separate area of the arena that none of the other tributes go to that Thresh hangs out in till Kato comes to fight him. So theres no way he wouldve stumbled on Rue's memorial anyways since he was chilling on the other side of the map

Leah Davis same

The changes that happened in that adaption would be longer than the movie.

Well, if *no one* can fight, then it's still a challenge, or not.

1. Children make for great underdogs. 2. There usually aren't many children in the games to beginn with, since most children will only have their name in there once. 3. As a grim reminder that the capitol holds the district's future in their hands

I'm just glad to help a fan. :D Also, don't check your bookshelf for any cameras. Because there totally isn't one there. >.>

KrimsonRogue *gulp

It's pretty refreshing to be honest.

Is that based on a book?

@@KrimsonRogue I don't think so but it is an enjoyable movie and it does feels like a book story. also, Jennifer Lawrence is way hotter in there than she is here, that is how I heard of Passengers. the main problem I have with the movie is the point of view, but this is just me.