The Breakdown | August 7th, 2022 

"The All Blacks had the jitters" doesn't give credit to the aggressive hard nosed Bok defense. Jitters is when you drop passes under no pressure.

Malcolm Marx on 🔥 in his 50th test Great game Foster sux Go the Boks !

100% fact. One reason is that the All Blacks DNA was and still is to score tries with razzle dazzle expansive attack. Now the game has evolved. Defence is key. Defensive line speed and tactics have improved. No front foot ball. So no more tries. The game has evolved. The All Blacks have not. It also doesn't help that they have a clueless head coach.

@@kaekillay completely agree. If I was an All Blacks fan I would be so frustrated with the number of times they try to run it out of their own 22. The whole point of doing that is surely the element of surprise, like “wow, we weren’t expecting that, how are we going to defend now?” But if all you ever do is that, defending teams are prepared for that. I’ll say this as well; how many times have the All Blacks relied on moments of magic from Barrett and Ioane to win them matches? And how many times have they lost because of this obsession with scoring tries at all costs?

@@kaekillay ....poorly coached, poor game plan and badly prepared, this all comes down to a very poor decisions most of the NZ rugby fans knew was the wrong one over three years ago andw e are still having to suffer through probably the very worst time in All Blacks history. More than that, it will only get worse. so we can talk about attack and defennse and selections and all the rest of it, none of it makes any difference whatsoever as long as they have a highly incompetent coach calling the shots. It all comes down to the coach and the clowns that selected him and are so far keeping him in the role. The All Blacks will go back to their "razzle dazzle expansive attack" but that can only happen when they are given the confidence to do so. The thing is, even though these All Blacks look terrible, SA could only put 26 points on them. When SA was down the All Blacks put 30, 40 and even 57 points on them.

No Offensive, The AB legacy is great but I woudnt say you guys have the best players this go anymore. This NZ team doent look like the Richie, Nonu, Dan era.... you have have some greatness... Ardie, Barret, Jordan etc but when its comes not the Midfield and tight 5 NZ is lacking... I woukd say the Springboks team is more the team which is full of Superstars arm, where they could fill about 6 spots in a World 15 team. NZ will bounce back, but you need Razor.... and Dan Coles is past his time forsure.

Good summary.

He hit the nail on the head with the ABs conundrum in playing around the gain line. That's been the case for a very long time and not just in the test scene but in the franchise/ provincial level as well. Sacking one guy doesn't fix that

Mils certainly doesn't.

So true! Been saying it 4 a while, Schalk has an amazing rugby brain, would like 2 see him in a coaching position someday...

Lol he's not an ABs pundit what did you expect, more brainwashed narratives?😂

@@Ozzy-jv2sr and a handy right fingered gouge 😵

Foster is a clown

Now he is having sleepless nights!! 😂

100% true

His lack of charisma puts me to sleep lmao

Sure did put many people to sleep eh Winning is one thing but with that game plan , kids wont be interested in playing the game Stoppage after stoppage , kick after kick , poor spectacle to be honest

Prob why he wasn’t there..!

"We don't need South Africa."

Kirwan: "We don't need them...they can stay up North" 🤣🤣🤣

​@@IgnusVermaak yep he often gets it wrong .... but I'd rather that, than others being too measured with their words.

Stoa short at saying that foster shouldn’t be there tho lol says everything alleles around it tho

Thank you. Do you recall the week before? We beat Ireland easily, but that win was built on top of tons of Irish errors and i remember so clearly saying that if we came up against a team that didn't make errors we'd be in trouble. Well that happened against England and every loss since.

and basic ball handing skills, its just not the coaching staff, this is suppose to be team of professionals, a team effort, the team and coaching staff, have the every trade men blames there tools, let blame the coach

They started before the world cup it started in 2017 during the lions tour

@@jimmyjames1807 ,yes the amount of unforced errors are unforgivable everytime they get some momentum they knock the ball on or something

Started long before that. That loss at 2019 WC was just the tipping point.

Spot on. Test rugby is a game played by head coaches and rugby directors. You’d have to be an expert to think that Ireland has more natural talent or ready-made player pool than ZA//NZ/Eng/Wales or even the Pan-Pacific Trans-Marsupials, yet here we are.

The All Blacks used to be simply better, skillwise, than most teams. And then they would improvise, and continue to develop, and grow and inculcate new skills, constantly. Then they developed an edge; they were as hard nosed and physical, but retained all the skill. They've got the talent, they just need to fix their mentality. Their "problems" are not a lack of talent or mongrel, their problems are mental. Their belief in themselves.

🤣🤣 @ braai fumes

I don’t reckon he actually believes what he’s saying I think he’s just trying to keep a brave face and being positive for the players sake as everyone respects him….

@@carbonblade1 100%. You can't expect Nonu to come out saying he doesn't believe in his country...

These pundits will keep lying to themselves until we humiliate them again

He’s an AB legend. He has to have belief. A team without belief has already lost. I believe the team has belief but it just doesn’t matter because of an aimless gameplan. All the belief and effort in the world means nothing when you come up against a well oiled, well drilled machine like the Boks if you don’t even know what your gameplan is supposed to look like.

Your players lack believe, bring back McCaw or the captain after him.

@@chermanmanewil1673 McCaw and Tana been out for a long time, Especially Tana, Tana is coaching now and McCaw is flying helicopters full time now.

I also think you have the wrong captain ... the other loose forward who was captain before ( sorry dont know his name ) he won a few turnovers during this game and threw that forward pass after Barrets brake. Canes got bad luck written all around him ...shame I can't explain , maybe I'm wrong ...probably it is a whole leadership problem ...anyway have fun figuring it out ...

South African teams leaving Super Rugby could it be a contributing factor?

100% agree with you.S.A players are Tall ! Big ! Huge ! & with the muscles they have !!!! just wonder about their diet ? AB team needs bigger, taller & stronger boys ! Good Luck for Saturday ! Bon courage boys !

Lol so true

As a Saffa, I waiting for this to see the Kiwi's reaction to the weekend. 😅

@@stefandebeer9375 same here. Can't wait to watch the full episode on DSTV. Lol

The most anticipated episode will be next Monday.

@@PB22559 you trying to say something here? That the Boks will win this coming saturday? Now that would interesting! Just hope they bring in John Kirwan next week, I was dissapointed today that he wasn't there.👀 Go Bokke!🇿🇦🔥

Living legend

Me too. Was waiting to see JK and what he had to say. But as usual he is missing whenever AB'S lose badly

@@DD-RSA you don't get it. JK is omitted because he is the only one brave enough to speak truth on the show

sad times for the AB's bro, feel sad for them, but they will bounce back to their best at some point, they'll be back soon bro.

Our slump in '16/'17 was waaayyyy worse than what they're going through now, not sure it's really comparable.

I have no sympathy for ABs especially since they said bokke rugby was boring last year, lol

@@tshifhiwaramatswana6862 clearly they didn't see our tries in the World Cup Final against an England team that smashed them.

Don't feel sympathy for us, we deserve to be where we are. We pick a coach who has won nothing in his CV as head coach, front row has many weaknesses our world once class players are past their prime, we lacked a game plan and implemented no style of play. ABs fail to dominate and act but instead we are playing reactive rugby. Yes opposition teams have got much better but this ABs team looks lost with no direction. We have 2 perhaps 3 world class players and that's it, Ireland deserved to beat us, South Africa too deserve to beat us my Saffa friend. Edit: ABs are definitely not even top 3 and probably not top either 5 imo.

JC, Burger, Kaino, Botha… they don’t make the hard-men like they used to these days.

Ill fitting trousers tho.

@@kainoizking totally agree. And they were skilled played on top of hard.

Yes, eye gauging was one of his specialties, ask the British Luins.

@@jonesyjones7626 he's a student of the game and an apt 'pupil'.

Perhaps even Sam Cane shouldn't be playing at all. Just an opinion. Savea at 7. Frizell at 6 maybe?

Cane shouldn't be there at all and yes Savea should be at 7 Jordan should be at 15

@@Trajan2401 That would be a treat. Will Jordan at 15! That would be awesome. Potential to be close to Christian Cullen if Jordan plays 15. But, will the brilliant coaching staff do that. Nah, they are pretty much clueless.

Cane gone , beauden barrett too full back , we need a proper 10 like mounga too stare the ship properly, like dan carter did for 15 years.

@@danpan6249 comparing Mouanga to Carter is blasphemy

He's a coward

His crying...

Exacltly....JK..doesnt give the boks any respect..was hoping to see the meathead on the show

Him and Fozzie are sharing a nice warm blanket to keep them warm as they both fall asleep quite nicely by the springboks boring rugby .....

Go bokke

Otters mate for life and hold on to each while sleeping afloat. They are each other’s significant otters.

@@jacqloock hehehe I should change my handle.

No mate that was stewart barns

Yes nacewa was the clown that said that .Boks pack on their day best in the world best tight five hands down .

France do have a really strong pack too right now. They definitely give the Boks something to think about.

@@rory7590 I’m sure the French pack would be competitive but to suggest that they will blow us off the park is outlandish

I remember 😂😂I think he made that comment from another time line vut it got prodcasted on this time lime

Can't solve a technical problem if you're being bulldozed off the ruck at every turn. The team are too lightweight and lack the power of their opposites from SA, France, England and (going by recent performances) Ireland. It's the result of different training philosophies between NZ and many other rugby nations: SA and the European teams are far more invested in strength and power than we've become; NZ's game by contrast is based on speed, agility, skill and athleticism, which was fine when we were fitter and slicker than almost anyone else. Unfortunately it's no longer the case, and the ABs are consistently running into a brick wall of opposition players who are larger, stronger and just as athletically fit as they are, and are consistently coming off second best.

Agree plus it helps with the fitness imbalance when you can replace half your tiring pack with 20 to go.

The boks are pretending to be injured throughout the game, 8x in the game and that’s not counting faf or bb. So, when we’re on attack and lose the ball they pretend to be injured, when we’re on attack they pretend to be injured. That game was almost 110 minutes. Either we employ the same tactics or we complain every time they pretend to lay on the ground.

100%. Opposition Ds have become way too good at reading our attacking shape, whether it’s 1331 or whatever. I think we need to revert to attacking through the middle, like France do with DuPont. Big carriers with offloads because when we go wide, where getting caught behind the gain line which is just too hard to recover from

all of this is as of a result of Rassies video to rugby HQ. Everything is being policed more evenly now with much fewer ala Richie McCaw side entrie. The AB recycling is much slower now and that is a big reason why. The unfair advantage has been snuffed out.

Lol

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You should miss our front row from the past. We have tier 2 front row players that are the reason behind a lot of our struggles

Chalk and cheese vs this lot

Yes its true😢 we have the bargain basement version of ritchie in sam cane

@@ahconscience4279 yess

It may have a part to play but it's not the main reason. NZ have the players and always will but it comes down to administration and management, the same BS that SA suffers from every few years. The AB's will be back soon, I have no doubt whatsoever.

Absolutely spot on. No proper physical preparations. As previous years.

Starts at the top. Agreed.

Lol

Yeah him aswell as JK 🤣🤣

Mills must also wake up. Cannot wait to lose the Bledisloe. Each test that passes is another closer to the World Cup. Decisions need to be made sooner rather than later

If you think Scott Robertson is the sole answer then I'm afraid you don't understand the question. Too much conservative Crusaders rugby has led the team to where they are. Doubling down will make the decline terminal. Yes, Foster should go, but there are at least five other guys (Schmidt, Gatland, Deans, Cotter or Joseph, with Milton Haig and Pat Lam among your assistants) you should call before you chuck Razor the reins.

NZR needs a clean out. It starts at tge Top who appointed Fozzie and his Crew. Whos developing NZ Rugby, where are the under20s. Whos developing the New Blood, the new ideas. Whos growing the NZ game? Who?

@@Formakiwi Most of those aren’t actually available and frankly I am getting tired of people trying to discredit Robertson for the bigoted, tall poppy reason of his being a Cantabrian. I’m not a Crusaders fan, but I recognise success. Something that the All Blacks could do with.

If he is a real AB fan he won't be

@@fomofud9479 he probs won't because it's hard to believe what with a great coach he is that he'd have a mindset like that plus he has very little time to make the changes if he does get the team

@@jestersage8700 either way, I don't think he'd wish for an All Black loss regardless of the situation. Rassie turned the Boks around from a global joke into RWC champions in 18 months so it is possible.

We can't support a coach with a record like this, would you?

God forbid they analyze the opponent...

There is a very good reason why the rugby programmes are shorter when the AB's lose.....domestic violence goes up.

So true! 🤣

Yes. Wonder why. When they win its all fun and games. Jk there and tails up. When they lose they don't even have a decent studio to sit in

It’s because the commonwealth games are on at the moment and our sport channels are mainly dedicated hence why they’re also in the smaller studio. Lol probably works out better though, can’t imagine it would be much fun to sit there for an extra half hour talking about how badly we’ve been belted. AGAIN. Lol

Could have EASILY countered the Springboks ...? 😂 Pity the Oceanians' talent isn't as good as that of the Springboks. If they were they would have won. Bottom line: the Oceanians' talent cannot compare to that of the Saffers, neither in quantity nor quality. Just accept it mate. It's the right thing to do.

@@wouterswanepoel5753 I wouldn't become so arrogant just yet boeta, the boks was in the same position before Rassie came in and brought some stability in SA Rugby. Talent will never be a problem in NZ rugby, and at the moment they are coached by Allister Coetzee 2.0

@@IronCross666 Let me tell you what IS arrogant, especially after having been humiliated: "With the wealth of talent the AB's have, they could have easily counter the Springboks on Saturday." Let me put it differently: the Springboks' all-comers, new-comers team that was fielded against Wales in the second test, would ALSO have smashed the Oceanians on Saturday.

Ja nê!!!

@@IronCross666 😂😂😂

And also sent Sam cane to nz

Desperate times call for desperate measures if we have to lose to get rid of Fozzie so be it never thought I'd ever say that but enough is enough remember SA were in exactly the same situation in 2017-2018 so they changed the coach the rest is history.Fozzie must go win or lose or else waste of time going to the world cup.

Kiwi Yasser that's how arrogant

Steve Hansen inherited a team of superstars and there were very few selection issues because the team basically picked themselves. Hansens' shortcomings as a coach were initially exposed during the 2017 Lions series (after most of the greats had already retired), and then culminated in the 2019 World Cup disaster. The decline has continued under Foster, but the wheels have now completely come off in 2022. Very sad to see. 😔

I wish they were stagnant, this team is in reverse.

Hahahahahaha yeah true!!

It's funny how Springboks never get credit for being the best in the world

@@redpilled9595 yeah. We’re always labelled as boring, predictable etc etc. I won’t forget the episode where Nacewa said France forwards would flatten ours… I just wanna see that with my own eyes,

@@dumingwenya7388 100% I enjoy the scrum of the opponents getting destroyed. It's not boring at all.

It's been a hard frustrating loooong road but we finally got back to playing the rugby we always new we can play. I don't care if we don't win every game aslong as we play good rugby.

I think they're speaking about their forwards. The majority of them are quite big and tall compared to the ABs.

Coming from a Saffa you are correct. We are not bigger than anyone else, we just have that crunchie mindset, absolute fearlessness at the breakdown.

@@nigel8484 No, they aren't dude! You telling me Scott Barrett and Sam Whitelock are tiny compared to their counterparts. Wiese isn't a man mountain and neither is Smith. I see it as just another stereotype that characterises boks as braun over brains - when actually the AB's were outcoached and outsmarted on the weekend. The scoreline could have been worse.

@@kiwiyasss8644 No sir they're not.. But listen to what I'm saying.. The majority of the Boks forward pack are bigger.

Well thats obvious their forward pack was over 30 kgs heavier that's what they're referring to the forward pack it's like 4 kgs extra per player Tamaiti Williams should be there he's heavier than any of those forwards in both packs 145-150 kgs should've been there from the beginning and he plays for the Crusaders he owned Ofa in the SR final yet Fozzie still selected Ofa go figure it's like he's anti Crusaders or something

What I also noticed in the show was the observation that every player in the Bok side has bought into the plan and knows *exactly* what to do and where to be. We also still need to polish up some things and must not get ahead of ourselves after that victory, but it seems Jacque is actually doing some good stuff.

I'm not buying that SR stuff.

@@brianmcsweeney9401 I'm the same most use that now as a reason remember it was new Zealand and Australia that said they did not want SA teams in SR now because they are playing bad they use it as an excuse. Could be the players in my opinion need to short themselves out.

WHy do you think they benefitted from the URC.? I think it is an OK league now, but many still see it as a mickey mouse league.

@@dalenewton9697 ummm. Did you miss the series between the All Blacks and the Irish. How about what the English did to the Aussies? Have you followed the 6 Nations at all? Forwards establish plays through break downs and through set pieces. That is what NZ has to fix. Get the forwards into the the game. That is probably the biggest take away from playing NH sides. Just go and watch the six nations series. You will see what I am trying to tell you. The speed of the game in the set pieces and in the breakdowns. Nobody does that better than the NH sides. That is why they can create so much space for their backs. It is also in my opinion where the Boks beat your side. Rotalic plays in that mould. But I have not seen any other AB forward get it right yet. Thats why I keep saying! Bring out the new guns! They have time to learn before the RWC. If any team can overcome this, then it is the AB’s. To call the URC Mickey mouse…. 😂😂😂😂.

@@phelansa23 Hi I dont have any side. Im neutral. I see you are mentioning lots of relevant international games there but I believe I was asking about the URC, not international tournaments. I'm wonding why you think they gain an an advantage from being in the URC. YOu're talking about the *URC*, not the RC right?

@@dalenewton9697 ERC (Heineken Cup) and now URC are feeders for the NH teams. Just like super rugby is for the ABs and Ausies.

Can't happen, France NZ Ireland SA all on the same side of the draw. Sometimes I think these draws are purpose built to help England win.

@@MetYsJa It can happen a number of ways. Any team can play any team in the final of the RWC, regardless what sides of the draw they start on and regardless the group they are in.

Wayne Barnes is that you

me likes this backrow 😁 FOZZY are you listening bruv!?

The English tried that razzle dazzle in the RWC final, how did that go? Not much credit is given to the Boks defence and the tenacity and aggression with which the fly into the contact area. The Boks defence have this uncanny way of inhibiting the orchestration of the team structure and game plan. As stated by tyson; everybody's got a plan until they get punched in the face. Ireland won against a struggling side; don't get ahead of yourselves, sit down mate

@@adriannecolin5634 So NZ never played against and beat struggling Irish sides. You sit down fool. Ireland beat you fair and square unlike many of your previous referee assisted wins.

There's no obvious contender to replace him unfortunately.

@@Formakiwi Tom Robinson has been in form for the last 2 years. Dunshea and Goodhue are also decent locks as well.

Missing Brodie Retalic big time.

Tafia Pautalo Sam Cane can't do anything

Maybe ….. unlikely though

There are at least 5 teams that could take 2023 RWC and I include NZ in that mix.

If the Boks can win all their end of year matches then it’s possible to go back to back …. It ain’t easy !! As for the AB’s ….never write us off but they way they are playing right now …unlikely but after a clean out with fresh southern direction …very possible !!

@@billybobperth4368 the Boks rarely win all their end of year matches but I agree with your view especially that it includes Ireland and France. As far as the double, I don't know mate. We have a very good but aging team. I think the 2023 RWC has at least 5 teams that could win it and I include NZ in that mix.

@@hanoitripper1809 ha ha, that's what ppl said about the Boks 18 months before the 2019 RWC, right NZ off at your own peril.

There's nothing to figure out about the Boks, everyone knows what they're going to do. The AB's just need to pick their game up x 3. There is a chance that the Boks beat the AB's by more points next game.

Is it true that NZR gave fozzy the ultimatum of this being his last chance?

😂 stop joking 😂

That would be music to my ears

@@Jordan-ws6jy I’m not sure, but he can’t possibly be retained after another loss.

@@preest_nz Hmmm you'd think so. I thought so after the Ireland series/back to back defeats at home.

Got the players, not the coach!

Don't want them to turn it around that would just keep Fozzie in the job longer

What is wrong with you. We all want the All Blacks to get up and be number 2 because it also is to our benefit to have them playing good. But for you as a South African saying you hope they turn it around for next week while playing us then you are indeed crazy. They can turn it up against other teams not us.

And not everyone in South Africa believes they are one game away from turning things around. Ireland has won 5 from the past 8 against New Zealand. South Africa is 3 wins 3 losses and a draw on the last 7. And dominated most of those matches. So the problems for New Zealand are deeper than one game. Their problem is not against the rest of the rugby world. Its against the Boks, Ireland and now France and England have won against them

Yup. This slow motion train wreck being so predictable is what makes it even worse to see.

I kinda of agree with the 'demise since Lions tour' sentiment (i went to two of those games). However, I was also at the Ireland game last November in Dublin and it is there that the alarm bells should have been absolutely clanging in NZ. It was a different game to watch in the stands vs the TV and what stood out to me (and I may be a bias Ireland fan but also love the way the MIB approach the game) is that Ireland could have won that game by a huge margin. We missed several opportunities to score when on the AB line. The AB tries were a solo special from Jordan and a set play from a line out. By and large that was it, there was a tiny % of the match where NZ were seriously attacking the Irish line or even in the 22. I really don't think that NZ rugby looked at this game hard enough as a barometer of where they were and on that day and it is a humble opinion - I have never seen them so comprehensively outplayed - with the same 2-3 players being over-relied upon to make things happen (Savea, Jordon and BB). I am used to Ireland being hammered by the AB's but when you looked at the back line positioning from the stands my general state of non-stop anxiety waiting for a AB counter-attack wasn't there. The normal AB's we come to expect weren't there. There was no plan B and not a huge sign of what plan A was .... 6 months later - nothing has changed.

Aparently you didn"t warch the 2 games against Ireland and France in November, because even at that time they didn't had a decent pack... they were just par in the scrum but that's all

The usual producers were sobered up by a series of defeats they can't lie or try to cover up anything, plus Schalke talked sense

@@tshifhiwaramatswana6862 that’s where you’re wrong mate, losing a bunch of matches is actually the best indicator you’ll win your next match.

@@fergusokane hehehe, okay

Nice post

Nope, we won't relax till the incompetent coach has gone. The NZ rugby public are a pretty smart lot in general and most of us knew three years ago that NZ Rugby had made a very poor choice. This has proven to be correct as record after record continues to be broken. Further to that there is more pain to come until they get rid of the clown we all knew was no good.

@@cspace1234nz Don't think so. Been predicting for years now that this would happen. As a South African I noticed that the All Blacks were becoming less competitive in the forwards, because of the run at all cost approach. It did bring you a lot of success, but things have changed.

@@dantewalters5209 ...yep, the last two years of the Hansen era, but they were still doing very well, just a poor RWC campaign, but since then under Foster it's been a nightmare. It's always the coach, no different to SA when they went throught that prolonged stage under their nightmare coach.

What's the English premier league?

Foster hasn't fixed them either. There hasn't been any progress whatsoever.....nothing! Surely we'd discern what he's trying to do with regards to a game plan and style of play!? Nothing! He needs to go, this is professional sport and at this level results are EVERYTHING!!

What's England's excuse then? With only World Cup to your name (the least out of anyone), four wins from the last two Six Nations (and one win from your last five games against Scotland) you're hardly in any position to be doling out advice now are you.