I would also recommend SCDKey over Ebay for legit WIN 10 keys. For the price it's a decent system with room for upgrading. PSU would be first on my list as even my current 80+ White EVGA 600w PSU has been rock solid and it supports 8 Pin CPU power (via 2 x 4pin connectors).
@@brokeandtired wrong reply? Also if you're going to shady websites you might as well just generate your own free key with whatever trusted software is out there mate
@@amehu I was so surprised when I saw that! Literally the first prebuilt on his channel that I've seen with dual channel installed from the get go... Amazing how bad these companies screw people who don't know computers.
Dang it dude, I was so happy when you said "Here's a word from our sponsor" because I really wished you got one to support your endeavors further. Anyway, I really like your wholehearted and down to earth style and very informative content. Keep churning for our delight and entertainment. :)
IKR, at 430K sub you'd think he'd be getting plenty of offers by now. Maybe when he hits the 1/5 mil mark the sponsors will start taking notice, hopefully that won't be too far off.
I don't know what is it about this channel but the way you narrate stuff is just so genuine man, I love to watch your stuff at lunch breaks, weekends and stuff like that and it's always some solid content. From a budget PC enthusiast, thanks my dude and keep up the good stuff! Regards from Colombia (south america)
That's cuz in a apu the gpu doesn't have video dedicated ram so the ram here actually works as a video memory that's why having better ram gives you better performance
@Fizzi 88 that good enough for almost anyone these days with most people sticking with 1080p so long as your hd most people can't really tell in the end.
The higher bandwith is the difference between the DDR4 and GDDR5 models of the GT 1030, (with the later having almost 3x the memory bandwith) and performance is night and day between these two. While I haven't done any single/dual channel tests yet, faster memory (for more bandwith) does indeed help, not only on DDR4 systems but also on DDR3, DDR2, DDR, and even SDR. And going from single to dual channel flat out doubles the bandwith. Even on my Pentium 3 retro build the difference between running the RAM on 133 MHz instead of 100 MHz is noticable.
@@HappyBeezerStudios though for some reason people just think it is hype and really doesn't make a difference. even though he shows it does in almost every video.
I always love seeing when siblings combine their talent to achieve a common goal. It's so wholesome and something the world could use more of. Wish you both the best!
FSP is actually a pretty good psu company, i've had many of them and they were built very well. I still have a few left and they're about 17,5 years old, still working!
Steve: "... But first, a word from our sponsor....". At that point, I was expecting Sophie to do some shameless self-promotion. And of course, that she massaged Steve's ego.
@@fatrobin72 every time i see someone selling a PC on FB/GT/eB with one stick of RAM i message them and link them to Steve and Dawid's videos (like this one). The logic is sound and the evidence is irrefutable!
Certainly seen worse cases for £350, the Punch one doesnt look too bad. Shame about the single stick of RAM but I think youve found a bargain there, nice one :-)
Wow, changing to dual channel RAM indeed. A great example here, as sometimes it is hard to note the difference. Really well done! And... GTA V benchmarking 😎 Me likey! Not toooooo bad a value and then a few addons... = I am surprised.
They are one that actually make PSUs, Seasonic being another. Most companies just put their sticker on it. And those FSP PSUs are not bad, they aren't "uber el1te g4m3r" units, but they are one of the biggest OEM vendors with proper quality that doesn't explode on your face.
@@HappyBeezerStudios A Channel Well Technology (CWT) PSU is featured in ExplainingComputers' "old PC upgrade" series (which was a very ordinary office type build) but CWT make many of Corsair's PSU models!
@@RWL2012 Yep I think my Corsair CX650 (the new version) is made by CWT, good PSU for the price. Another builder's favourite here is Super Flower which is quite popular.
Seems like good value, all nice standard parts. Punch deserve to do well with this. Thanks for showing the dramatic difference between single- and dual-channel RAM, that's an eye-opener.
First I tought it would be an FX 6xxx build, but when I saw the A520, it was clear that it had to be the 4650G. These Ryzen APUs are really amazing, my 4750U with just 23 watts in my thinkpad T14 performs a bit better than the i5 10400F in both single and multicore CB R20, so a 65 watts 4650G should also be a bit better than the i5 10400F. About the 4 Pin EPS 12V connector, my overclocked Q6600 used about 140 watts and was powered by a single 4 Pin (killed a 450 watts fsp PSU, be quiet straight power 600w worked fine), so even a 4750G with increased power limit would work without overheating cables, the board (vrm) and psu are more likely to die.
Indeed, I have got a 90W 6 pin GTX 1650 (and i5 6400) with 250 Watt PSU and never had a problem. People seem to overestimate the PSU wattage requirements. (My PC pulls like 170W at absolutely maxed out load)
Well done on showing how much dual channel memory transforms gaming performance on this. A single 8GB Lexar 3200mhz (Like the one installed on this) DDR4 stick is around £31. It would make a decent kids entry gaming PC. Fortnite and Minecraft would run sweet on this in dual channel mode.
I couldn't agree with you more about the two ram sticks. I can play old games in 4k with no lag at all , after adding a second stick of 8GB ram on my PC. Open Morrowind looks amazing and that second stick made all the difference in the world. Before it would stutter in open areas. Plus my computer was freezing in general when I opened too many tabs or did many things at once. It's amazing how adding one more stick of ram fixed all these problems.
I used to have a psu with only 1 4 pin CPU, connected to my motherboard (which has an 8pin) and recently I upgraded the PSU and noticed a very big difference in hashrate when mining XMR, it went from 1800H/s to 4200H/s, but my cinebench score remained the same, so using it like that may reduce performance in some tasks.
Love these pre builds , would love to see one with UHD750 graphics , so an 11500 or 11700 ,cause i'm in the market for one of those (might have it build to spec though)
Using the P4 connector is OK, but using the 8 pin EPS connector is better when available. Stabilizes power flow. I know from experience with a Phenom II x4 810 that I had back in the day. Also, try 32GB of RAM 😀.
3 years ago I bough a prebuilt for 280 euros or pounds in today's money. It came with an i7 7700, 8gb 2400mhz RAM (that's cool unless you use an iGPU), 1TB HDD and a GT1030. The psu was sketchy so I replaced it with my existing one and I swapped out the GPU for a 1060. Total money spent was around 420 (nice) euros. Later on I added an SSD and an additional 2TB HDD. Obviously I also upgraded the ram to 16 gb. It's still running fine and it's good to know that I have a backup GPU in the middle of that shortage.
Thanks for vid, never heard of Punch PC's tbh but you can actually go direct to punch PC s & essentially add / remove components by configuring system - searched for the Ryzen 5 Pro 4650g & edited a system they had listed - removed windows 10 which was added & configured just as this system & it came in at £383.80 incl VAT . Punch no doubt builds a certain spec of PC then uses companies like laptop direct to sell them at a slightly lower price-point. (As I'm sure your aware) But to be fair to Punch there prices aren't as bad as many I've seen out there, especially if looking for a budget starter system. Again great vid 👍
I just finished building a 4650g system. It's a great chip. Also managed to get ahold of a 4750g, haven't built anything with it yet tho, looking forward to that
I really want to buy one of these to test and do up now.. but i just bought a 3400G and 16GB (2x8!!) 3200MHz (gotta be fast for iGPU!).. I was aiming to sell the build for £350 after i finished benchmarking it, but after seeing this build for the same price i might have to lower that number a bit (and get one of these after!)!
I would recommend using those cheap windows keys. Been buying them from onthehub for a while, but have used them from eBay as well. I've used them on family and friends computers for years and years and never had a problem. Probably saved $800-$1000 in total by using them.
The main reason dual channel ram is offering so much better fps is the bandwidth, it doubles from 64bit to 128bit. After that, the Performance scales nearly linear with speed and timings. My take on this build, is to look out for Samsung, or Micron OEM ram, often it goes from 2400 up to 3600+ with decently tight timings.
That looks like a nice PC :) all you need to do is upgrade the RAM to 16GB and you're good to go :) I would also add an optical drive into the optical drive slot at the front; they're not that expensive. Also, I don't mind single channel RAM being provided as it gives the option of immediately doubling your RAM capacity with dual channel RAM, which I would do. The first thing I did with my HP OMEN 15 was upgrade it from single channel 8GB to dual channel (2x 8GB). Though personally, with that CPU, I'd upgrade the power supply and shove a dedicated graphics card in as well. Also, keyboards and mice are very cheap and you can get a set under £10 if you look hard enough. Speakers should also be reasonably cheap for a pair of decent speakers. A decent monitor (and webcam) would likely be the most expensive accessory/peripheral, as well as a PCI Wi-Fi & Bluetooth card (if not already integrated into the motherboard).
The huge boost at the dual channel is mostly the iGPU which had half the bandwidth before. It does help in some games, but if you put a different anemic dGPU in it like a 1030 it would be just fine on single channel.
You also can OC RAM with 4650g. I OC'd memory to 4133 (dual channel oviously) on 4640g (crucial ballistic 3200). I'm sure memory can go faster, but Infinity fabric only clocks 2066 and OC memory further is pointless. With such an OC 4650g should outperform GT 1030 GDDR5, not to mention ddr4 GT 1030
Interesting finding re dual vs single channel ram. In many other RU-vid videos, dual channel didn't seem to increase overall fps very much. Rather the 1% fps dramatically improved between 10-80%, making games run smoother.
You can find Ryzen 3400g office machines in the US for $100 cheaper than what you paid. I've had similar performance with 16gb of dual channel RAM, though unfortunately the motherboard limits it to 2666 mhz and doesn't offer overclocking. I plan to upgrade the motherboard and add a GPU when prices settle down. Still I ran Control on low settings 1080p with texture downscale to 768 at 30-40 fps and because of the strong art design, it still looks great.
Usually the manual will tell you what situation you need to use all 8pins of the motherboard power connector. Tbh the pins are electrically the same of each 4 pin plug and connected to each other, it actually the plug and cables that have the load rating and if exceeded by the motherboard pulling to much current it could get hot, doubling up is the solution by AIBs and tripling up on Z490s. So yeah unless overclocking a cpu 8 or above you should probably get a psu that has an 8 pin and can deliver clean staple 12v rail. This is why they want to change the standard of PSUs and bring all the power conversion onto the board it’s self by just supplying only a few different voltages, PSU should get well cheaper and much simpler designed.
some how about 4 months ago i maneged to buy a pc for an extreamly good price it was 550 gbp specs: i7 3930k 6 core, 16 gb 2666mgz corsir vengence ram, a strix gtx 1080, and the combined storage of 1.7tb
Back in the day many boards had the 4 extra pins covered with a sticker when PSUs with 8pin 12V connectors weren't that common yet. So yeah, it's actually fine to use a 4pin connector especially with a cheap board like that which doesn't benefit from 8pin at all. :D
Yeah, this shows, the more powerful the integrated graphics, the more ram bandwidth it needs. One advantage of this setup is, it can run on unbuffered unregistered ecc ram. So you have a broader spectrum of ram to chose from.
FSP is a solid brand, at least it served me well. I did have a faulty unit when I bought my FSP Hexa 500w back in 2012, but after getting a second unit, I kept it until this year. Sadly it started being faulty. Replaced with a Be Quiet! :)
That FSP group psu looks fine. Low wattage but for that system’s specs, you don’t need any more. They’re a very respected manufacturer of PSUs in the server space.
They also make nice add on power supplies to ! I still have the one I used to go with my Corsair TX 950 when I was running 3 GTX 470s in SLI .... the good old days....
I made a 750 euro pc with this exact same apu here in estonia (you can just buy them real easy here) - with dual channel 3600 cl16 it's genuinely quite potent.
The extra 4 pin cpu plug is only needed if the CPU is pulling that much. A 4650G probably won't but if it does, the chip will just downclock to the available power. The motherboard has to account for a lot of different CPUs so that is why it is there, for more power hungry CPUs or if you are trying to overclock the current one.
Great demonstration of the avantages of dual channel RAM, specially with integrated graphics. Also the VRAM usage in RDR2 was kinda low. Maybe you could test other BIOS configuration that would let the iGPU stretch a little bit more
This is amazing value CPU wise, apart from AMD's deliberate crippling of it with a 12 X PCIe 3.0 lanes limitation of the CPU? but to be honest if you just a run one graphics and don't need more PCIe lanes than that, then its still a real good buy.
I've bought four PCs from them about 18 months ago (actually got a better deal thru LaptopsDirect), 310 Euro per, about 265 quid. Back then no Ryzen 4000 on the market, so these have the venerable R5 3400G. I also ordered two 16 GB Kits (€45 per), so all 4 have identical 2 x 8 GB RAM. Pretty good deal and certainly recommended for a tight budget but do keep in mind: you get what you pay for. ;) The quality of the case leaves much to be desired (slightly different than the one you have there), cheap A-series motherboard, only one SATA power connector, you will need splitters if you want to add more drives, back then they were using 240 GB Lexar SSDs (No DRAM cache, in the one I kept for myself I've added a 240 GB EVO 960 NVMe). While the case does have a 5.25" bay, adding an optical drive is not that easy since the cable from the power button to the motherboard is run right thru that bay and it's too short to move it out of the way.
This is a video I've been waiting for. I'm literally ready to upgrade my PC and was ready to hit the button on a Palicomp PC on Amazon but couldn't decide on either the AMD Ryzen 5 PRO 4650G or the AMD Ryzen 5 3600. Mind has been made up. I will definitely opt for the higher dual channel ram. Many Thanks
I would check benchmarks, while on paper the 4650 looks faster, its clocked slightly faster, however the 3600 actually performs higher, plus its cheaper. (there are a few youtube vids on this).
@@chriscowey7464 If i could not afford a GPU I would go with the apu's. And i might get an apu for my first pc, gpu+cpu would cost more probably. If I can play 30+fps I'll be fine.
