Once I was in the park and got the chance to play Magnus. By move six I was down two pieces and three pawns. Just then a car horn sounded across the street. It was very distracting. Luckily these same arbitrators were nearby and decided to make a ruling. They discussed this for 25 minutes allowing me to study the board completely. When play resumed, I got checkmated on the very next move.
@@williamrobert9898 oh, what did he admit? you gonna call me 'frend' while I crush you in this argument? The kid keeps arguing from different hypothetical scenarios. He claims a) the yell was not distracting because I) it wasn't a yell, ii) the friend was too far away that even if he yelled it wouldn't be distracting, b) that even if it was a distracting yell no professional chess player focused on making their move and clocking in under 2sec (assuming that isn't also a lie) would be distracted like that. Everyone knows you wouldn't be, you would make your move and clock by muscle memory alone at that speed. While he wasn't articulate because he's a kid and speaking a second language these are the arguments any reasonable arbiter should have understood he was making. These arbiters are really making terrible decisions. And the adult player should be ashamed, forfeit that draw, and apologize to set a good example of mature play to the kids. No wonder the kid's friend tried to pull similar BS a few days ago, with adult players setting this example and arbiters so clueless they're being taught that this BS is how the game is played. And I don't think kids are innocent and sweet, but just like if a kid attacks you, the correct, mature response is not to attack them back. It is to use your power to control the situation and punish the kid while teaching the reasons for punishment and what good behavior is.
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A: 01:10 The child literally admits that the friend "screamed" something but disputes the distance from which he said it. ("he was very far and he screamed" and proceeds to shrug) B: 02:30 While the arbiters are deliberating the child opens the dialogue and insinuates to the GM that had the GM not been in time trouble, the GM would not have made an issue about the shout. "if you had time you would not seen that he screamed" (sic) 03:30 The child again admits that while his friend screamed "he was very far". C: 05:50 The arbiter disagrees with the child that his friend was "very far", saying "1 meter is not far". The arbiter also alleges that this is not the first time this has happened in this very tournament after disputing the child's assertion that his friend was very far. Finally, the arbiter claims he was present throughout the situation: "I was here, it was the last game so I was not somewhere else". D: 11:00 When the child tells his friend that the arbiter gave the GM "five seconds"(*not* accurate) the friend's initial response is not to dispute the veracity of the penalty but instead to shift the focus that the position was still clearly winning for the child "after h4" (I don't speak Russian--I'm basing this on the Russian translation from commenter below). It's only after the child ignores the friend's claim does the friend deny anything was even said. Paradoxically, the child later goes on to say his friend was "over there and silent the whole time" contradicting his concession to the GM and arbiter only minutes earlier. E: The "friend", FM Artem Uskov, is prominently featured in another video of ChessBase India from a few days ago. In that video he can be heard saying "it's impossible" (03:30 of THAT video --- ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-H7uWsNdrxTc.html). This strongly contradicts the notion originally put forth from the child that his friend "doesn't even speak English" so could not possible scream "it's time." The child accuses the GM of lying by putting forth the notion that the friend could not have said something in English.
A. It is not his native tongue. He is trying to say that the GM is exaggerating by calling whatever sound he heard a scream. C. I don't wholly believe the arbiter. He may have observed the friends close by at some point, but not necessarily during the incident. E. Again, English is not his native tongue. I believe that he is only trying to say that his friend's English is not good enough to shout "it's time". Also, why would an excited Russian child scream in English?
E: I didn't know that if a non-English speaking person knows how to say "it's time" and "it's impossible", that person is automatically bilingual... I think I'm polyglot
All those people around and only GM Ahmed heard the scream (aside from his opponent - who said it the scream was from far away), yet no one else to corroborate??
TLDW adult accuses kid's friend of screaming about time which costed him the game while kid argues that the friend was far. Arbiter decided that the kid was wrong and gave adult 2s extra. Game ended with a draw
@@Raii_Chu Pfft... The arbitrator can do whatever he wants.) Let's wait for the video from independent reporters and hear all the same what kind of "scream" scared him.
I think it'd have been much better to take the 2 players away to a quieter area to discuss this, away from the board, away from the people, and away from the cameras if possible. I know some arbiters in the UK who do this. The minute or two walking to somewhere else gives the players a chance to calm themselves as well if needed.
I disagree with that. right there and then was the perfect time. The younger Grand Master proved hi poised and better judgement. Than the crying adult. when you lose you lose period. and if one is trying to win over a table of judges rather than your own knowledge about the game. are you worth it of even being a player?
Wouldn’t that be fair, let say the young player was on “fire and winning the game!” And the older guy knew he was getting beaten by a younger player and was annoyed by that so played the “harassed” card to collect himself!!!
@@Eric-mp4ft are you okay? That sounds like projection. The game was disrupted by spectators making noise, the arbiters intervened - as the arbiter said, he was watching the table, so no need to call him.
@@jotarokujo5132 spoiled how? Kid advocated for himself quite professionally and calmly. Grown up was trying to be condescending later on, which is hilarious as he was getting beat by the kid in the first place. The only way it wound up a draw was because the adult was analyzing position while the arbiters conferred. In short, kid was winning, adult complained about a kid a table away making a noise and was rewarded with 15 minutes to analyze and swindle a draw against a 12 year old 400 elo below him.
@@nothinglike1586 and also showing the kid isn't of the mindset of lying or tricking anyone because he's a sore loser, unlike another player at that table.
You are wrong. He got 1 point not. 5 earlier he lost on time. Second, the small guy also learnt a lesson to respect the tournament hall and not a backyard summer games
@@superman2000 just so you know that kid was certainly not at fault, if there are background noises its organiser, arbiters responsibility to check. that old hag just exploited a kid!
@@hellostranger2012 the kid and his friends have been nuisances all throughout the tournament, his friend also created some, which is documented in a video
the boy might have distracted him but Ahmed took the opportunity to study the position during the break and use that info to get a draw and thats equally wrong. he should not have been studying the board while the arbiters deliberated.
What do you want him to do? Anyone this good can picture the board in their head including his opponent and analyze it anyway. It's just part of the nature of the situation.
@@zacharyklein9520 there is a huge difference between passively and casually thinking about the position in the down time and visibly leaning over the board in a clearly very deep think. The kid was not thinking about the position he was focused on the reason the arbiters were there in the first place. Ahmed should have been doing the same.
@@arroe621 but the kid was not. The kid was focused on the reason the arbiters were there and not visibly leaning over the board in a very deep think. I guarantee put any top GM in that same position they would not be in a deep think like that. It’s not fair to anyone.
11:02 Ttranslated this conversation on Russian: Averin: He said like some of you two speaked too loudly, but in fact it wasn't. 1st kid: We did not say anything! Wait, Kolya! Why is it draw?! Averin: They gave him 5 seconds more. 1st kid: So what? There is h4 move and it's completely winning! 2nd kid: Kolya, tell me he dropped the flag? Averin: Yes. 1st kid: It's a nonsense! Averin: And i didn't get why we replayed this move. 1st kid: We didn't say anything! Didn't say a word! Averin: Well, it's appeal. 2nd kid: He is an adult so they belived him because of it. We are allegedly kids. Understand? Averin: You were so far and you were silent! 2nd kid: Yeah! Artem just did like this and nothing more. So what? You even didn't watch it. Averin: Exactly! 2nd kid: This is so nonsense!
I gotta say the kids are right here. As somebody who has played blitz tournaments for years the older guys story doesn’t add up. You don’t lose two seconds because there is a scream in the room. Especially not, if you are a pro. The kids got half a point stolen by a questionable arbiter decision. And the fact that he was analyzing the position whilst the arbiters were debating also shows he has no commitment to sportsmanship.
Let's say there was shouting, but he shouldn't be allowed on the chessboard untill the case is resolved! That was literally giving him so much time to analyze the board.
do you know they don't need the chess board, you have limits to what you can do. Can't make the players to not think about the position. It was not the adult's fault here. The kid's friend should have stayed calm.
If the kid had accepted the arbiters ruling, the man wouldn't have had time to analyze. He just took advantage of the boy throwing a fit. Not ideal, but it's hard to criticize him.
5:47 Adly after hearing the decision immediately focuses on the board again and spends the next four and a half minutes deciding the exact end of the match. When play commenced he wasn't blitzing, he was playing out calculated moves he had already defined in his head. I definitely don't know all the rules of a chess tournament, but Adly made sure everyone treated Nikolay like a child and it sure felt like a cheap win to me.
So many cameras around, surprised FIDE doesn't have VAR support. I mean, there's been so many incidents related to stupid cases that it just boggles me why arbiters don't review videos on sight if anyone has it recorded. Norwegian reporter is just gold. The way he smuggles himself in there in the middle of the game to interview the players is just too much. lul But really, the kid is not responsible for anyone's actions but his own. In a room of 200 people there was a scream and the Egypt guy lost concentration on time and started pointing fingers? If the guy was awarded 2 seconds, the kid should've also had 2 seconds awarded on the clock.
Exactly what I am thinking everytime something like this happens. Just record every single game and maybe a few cameras for the whole venue. Then you can rewind the footage and make your case without standing there and listening to two persons arguing as your only evidence.
You could record only audio on the table at the start of the game. This could be a feature inside the clocks, this way you can solve many issues from shouts to insults, mind games, etc.
this littel kid has now messed up his whole chess career, because even in years people will remember him beeing the one who used unfair tricks with help of hie friends - like hans nieman..
No one said the kid couldn’t. Plus, chess masters don’t need the board to think about time. Officials handled it poorly by not being firm. They made the correct decision though. The kid admits that his friend shouted. That is a distraction that can absolutely give an advantage with such limited time left.
On the live stream I saw another GM arguing with this kid in this tournament, I don't know what the context of that was, but the GM was pretty mad at the kid.
FIDE looks so unprofessional at this event. They don't have solid systems or rules in place for when oddities happen, and handle it the same way your elementary school chess club would.
@@rft1509 no. It wasn’t. He lost and because the kid was a kid he used his age difference to convince them to let him replay it and add 2 seconds allowing him to calculate the draw. YOU stfu
The whole thing is ridiculous. Look how Ahmed start calculating at 5:37 while the kid is talking to the arbiters. He literally solved the position before the game restarted. That is unfair. :)
were they supposed to put a table cloth over the board? many professional players can still see the board in their head even tho they arent looking at it... so what then?
Nah it was the kid's fault, he called the arbiter to talk to. The kid is clearly lieing here. Remember the other kid incident, there the adult was rude, here Ahmed was so kind and polite. Ahmed could have calculated even without the chess board. There was nothing unfair here. the Kid could have done the same, instead he wasted time.
Kid got screwed. I hope the older guy feels good about himself. He spent 20 minutes studying the chess board knowing he would get relief. The kid WILL be back.
Translation of what the kids were discussing at 11:05: Kid in black shirt (Uskov): I didn't say anything at all Uskov: Wait, why is this a draw, Kolya? Averin: *unintelligible* Uskov: So what then, *unintelligible* Uskov: What a nonsense Averin: I don't understand too. I don't understand why they (arbiters) made that decision Uskov: We didn't say anything. We didn't say a single word Other kid in blue vest (don't recognize him): Bro, he's an adult, they believe him more. We're just kids to them Averin: You all were standing far and were silent Other kid: Artem only did this (raises his head) and so what, you didn't even look at him. What a nonsense
A few points. First, the kid is not responsible for who says what behind him. So the GM's straw man argument about screaming or playing chess is just disingenuous. Second, someone screaming "it's time" will do so when, err, it is time. As in the GM had already been flagged. Third, the kid is focused on his game, he's not turning around and checking how far away anyone is behind him. He just said he was far away because he didn't hear the "scream" loudly. Fourth, anyone who has played blitz, at any level, knows very well that when in massive time trouble you play the move and hit the clock almost instantaneously -- as they did when resuming the game. The idea that he quickfire played the move and then paused when some kid "screamed" is not credible. I believe the kid here.
The arbiters certainly mishandled this one. If Adly was distracted (if he indeed was), it was not the boy Averin who caused it. And it was a pity because as a boy, Averin was not given a fair treatment.
fair point, but why did Averin say his friend was at a (further) distance when the arbiter, who says he witnessed his friends within a metre behind Averin. The arbiter also claims this isn't the first time his friends have been shadowing so close to Averin and also states that he himself (the arbiter) heard the group, this alone would show if the arbiter would notice the (unusual) commotion then Adly who was closer to the voice and under high pressure and stress would get distracted. Since Averin in the eyes of the arbiter isn't being totally truthful then he's already lost (due to his own wrongdoing in not being truthful) credibility on everything else he says and has shown a clear motif to tell a narrative to suit his own goal. The arbiter might have been swayed by your argument in that it wasn't Averin's fault but the fact that he wasn't being truthful the arbiter could have thought Averin needs to address his friends behaviour so this doesn't happen again in the future and deemed it fair that Adly be given a chance to carry on. One thing that strikes me strange is the fact while Averin was delaying carrying on, Adly was laser focused on the board as though nothing would be able to distract him, I honestly starting to feel Averin was right, that if Adly was so absorbed in the match then no matter the distraction he would be able to block out the rest of the environment. This behaviour was shown after the arbiter made the decision so it can't be reversed. I do feel sorry for Averin but I'm sure he's learnt something from this
Your comment seems fair Percy, and so does the original comment, as you too acknowledged. Averin certainly needs to have words with his 'friends'. And really, whether the person/s who made noise were known to Averin or not shouldn't be relevant to the discussion between the players and the arbiter. What puzzles me is that the arbiter even needs to get both sides of the story - surely the arbiter (and many others) saw first hand what happened. Chess is (or ought to be) one of the most civilized competitions in existence. The rules are defined in exhaustive, crystal clear terms such that there should be an indisputable resolution to any issues that arise. There are rules (and etiquette) for spectators: and it seems this was certainly breached. recommences @@percy9228
Pure cheating. No GM in a time scramble with 2 seconds left, at a major tournament would look up and stop playing, regardless of what was shouted or what noises were being made.
Yeah, having friends distract the opposition is pure cheating and quite unsportsmanlike behaviour. And so is touching pieces AFTER you hit your clock (during opponent’s move) as the kid does here too.
Last time the other kid in the back played an illegal move then tried to cheat after they had to play the moves again And when the arbiters were trying to settle everything they had shush a kid who was interfering, not sure if it was this kid but not surprised here that the kid’s friends also caused trouble Edit: This was the kid that the Arbiter had to shush
can you use more descriptive terms than kid, i don't know who is being referenced lmao. you described from what I can tell as 5 different people as ' a kid'
@Mr. Mr. you left out the part where he tried to play with two hands as to not lose on time after saying “it’s impossible” instead of just losing on time… and during this situation this kid was talking loudly and the Arbiter had to tell him to be quiet.
This is the most insane ruling I have seen in awhile. First off how is he allowed to do this analyze the board for several minutes while the arbiters explain the decision to the boy? If he was allowed 2 seconds that is fine, but they basically gave him close to 4 seconds because he gets to take back his move and play it as soon as the clock starts? Like how is that in any world acceptable?
@@cdunne1620 How's that the kid fault ? And they took 5 min to take a decision and allowed one single player to calculate during that time while discussing with the other. What i see is a miserable failure at handling live events, just do computer then or provide noise cancelling headphones. What a ridiculous drama.
He sat over the board clearly studying the position intently while the younger player was being spoken to and clearly disturbed by the experience. No one around the table seemed to take this into account which I find astounding. Poor from GM and organisers alike.
Child’s friends were deliberately sabotaging. I’m glad the arbiters didn’t side with him just because he’s a kid. Some of these chess kids grow up thinking they’re the second coming because they can play a board game well.
The arbiters are making a statement, “we will not allow a players friends disrupt a game”. Case closed . With that said they should not have allowed the complainant to sit there and calculate while they were making their decision.
*I’m not an active chess viewer, but this seems like absolute BS ruling and he was allowed to study the position for minutes.* Especially if it was true that his friend doesn’t speak English.
You realize Averin is lying ? friend does speak english in other game where he cheats and Averin is making noise there. Arbiter saw situation and knows these kids have already made trouble during this event
Why have any spectators/non players allowed if as soon one of them makes a noise it gives a sore loser a way out? Ahmed should have taken the loss like a man. He even said he was pressing the clock after his move when he turned to look at who screamed and then he realized he was out of time. And geez, if a little noise is going to startle him he should play with earplugs. Adly's words at 0:45 "I already made my move and I was pressing the clock but..." Sounds like Adly was out of time when the guy shouted. So the game was over. And being a sore loser, he looked for any excuse.
Whether the kids friend shouted or not, they are playing in a public space with dozens of other matches going on, people being interviewed, filmed, photographed, people talking etc it's no excuse, he should have been focussed on his game and acted professional instead he was easily distracted and lost to time.
I was told "if you want to claim something, stop the clock and clarify the situation" but if you flag, it doesnt matter what happened, you lost on time. Apparently not here...
GM: I had finished making my move. I knew I was in serious time trouble. As I started to press the clock, a bloodcurdling scream rent the air, from three feet away. Somehow, in that half a second between making my move and pressing the clock, my hand, froze. If it wasn't for that, my time would not have run out. The arbiter did not hear the bloodcurdling scream, so I had to tell him there was one, even though he claims he was present at all times. A Russian boy, who hardly speaks English, had screamed excitedly to his Russian friends in his instinctive language of English. Great story!
Unfair. He said he made his move with 2 seconds on the clock. He then said he went to press the timer and had a quick look around after hearing a shout and the time expired. I’m not having that. There’s no way the shout (if it was even distracting) caused a 2 second delay to pressing the time button.
the question is: you should focus on your game, if you were affected and lost on time, thats it, part of game. Then we come back to the question, why are you looking around when you almost ran out of time
I really love the character shown by the kid here. He was composed and confidently making his side of the case. At that age I would have just cried when some adult tried to authoritatively argue with me. 😂
It’s really not though. It’s a proper chess competition and most people seem to respect that. Being a child and having your child friends scream during an important match (or any match) is infantile and has no please in competitive chess. It’s a matter of having some mutual respect.
The way i see it, this is supposed to be a game with professionals. If you allow yourself to be distracted because someone makes noise, that on you. He lost and it should have been called in favor of the young man.
He is a minor. His coach or some adult responsible for him should have been called there to help him in this situation. And what if the other player got distracted by some kid. There are always things happening that can distract people while they are playing.
The kid's friend is the one who only had one second in a match and made a scene for moving the piece and clock with two hands in another video. These kids are full of ego.
I bet Magnus or Fabiano or Danya would handle this better than FIDE themselves. Only masters know what it means to be in this situation against other masters.
These specific kids caused several issues at this tournament. There is a video of the kid that distracted trying cheat on a game earlier when he ran out of time.
Too many kids in tournaments and they have lack of professionalism. This kid is not the first one from their group who has trouble understanding the rules of the game.
Please show the end of the game on video or the game itself! Why don't the organizers show?! But we must trust one person or another when there is a video of the party itself, and we ourselves will draw a conclusion, and we will not guess.
Adly known for being a bad person with bad sportsmanship. Not surprised he lost then tried to find an excuse and put it on the kid. What a shameful "man"
both kids were already making trouble previously. other kid who scremed cheated in his game making them replay situation 3 times and Averin here was distracting in that game too and arbiter had to hushed him way. arbiter pointed that out too
man this is so unfair for the kid! I'm surprised no one from the chess youtubers talked about this. So if someone shouted it how is it the kid fault? then you give the guy 5 full seconds and give him like 20 mins to think ?! Sorry little kid, the real kid is ahmed not you.
I love how at the moment the arbiter took their decision, the gm sit and start to calculate. He knows how pointless it is to argue once the arbiters took the decision. The boy (NM) just permit him to calculate for 2 min for free while he was just spending time to argue and not thinking about the game.
@Trumpbasher Nah Candidate Master but it's a straight forward draw like I said, the position isn't complicated and there are next to no chances of swindling
@@williamrobert9898 Ah ok , Carlsen clone, therefore Ahmed took only 3 minutes of starring on the board to secure the draw, when its inevitable draw???
@Trumpbasher Yup, have you ever played in any OTB tournaments? I can already tell that you didn't because that's we do sherlock, we stare at the board and calculate to the best of our ability, the reason why the kid wanted to claim the win and not continue is because he also knew that the position was a complete dead draw
If there is a distraction that affects the game either player needs to know how to stop the clock at that very moment and call over a technical director or arbiter to discuss the issues and make a decision. But I agree with the arbiters, if there is a distraction the player making a move needs to be brought back to the same point where he would be prior to the distraction. Two seconds is fair.
@@myhrebu8224 That's why he had to replay the exact move. The point was to actually give him a chance to press his clock, instead of allowing unprofessional players (or in this case spectators) to ruin a game.
For everyone that thinks it is unfair that the GM got 3 minutes to look at the board,The kid gave The GM time to study the position by discussing with the arbiters and wasting time although the final desicion was already made, it is the kid's fault. For me it was the fair desicion regarding that this group of kids has already caused several problems in this tournament and there was another case where this kid got into an argument with another GM. Sorry but every piece of evidence here is against the kid and his friends
First of all, Adly had flagged already! If he was really appealing for anything (shouting or whatnot), he would have stopped the clock immediately, or at least he would have made his move in time, regardless of anyone shouting. What also strikes me as weird is the arbiter claiming he was there...First of all, If he was already there, none of this would have happened. Secondly, it's his responsibility to keep people away from the board. He said that the kids were standing right behind him which means he did nothing to make them go away. It's not a player's job to deal with whatever is going on around them, especially during a blitz game where everything happens so fast. If I started speaking to the people around me or trying to shush them all the time, then I would just lose on time! P.S. At the restart, the boy should have complained about Adly holding his hand above the board and had the arbiter give him extra time because of that. It is not allowed to do any of that when it's your move and you're thinking. It's disturbing the player, you're not allowed to do that.
."First of all, If he was already there, none of this would have happened". Well at the start of the video, considering that arbiter chose to walk and stand right between the players, i don't think he is lying. it could be just that either he couldn't make the call at the moment so he referred to another arbiter or the players simply didn't summon him. "Secondly, it's his responsibility to keep people away from the board.". It is impossible to predict or prevent people from doing dumb stuff, also I really don't think this is the issue at all, the shouter could be someone completely random, and they could shout from far away, and the consequence is they disrupted the game. if a player loses the game because of an distraction that's outside of their control, then i believe a case could be made for appeal.
Lol what a dumb comment, first of all the arbiter was indeed there because he is a freakin arbiter genius moreover he specified the amount of friends the kid had and the kid knew he was busted, second of all there is literally no responsibility to keep players away from the board you are free to stand and watch other games as long as you are not distracting them, actually you are allowed to do that, I did that many times during my games and so did many GMs including the top players in time scrambles, you have done nothing but expose your ignorance and the kid did not even deny his friends shouting he just said that they were far away
I concur. Even more. Why are they punishing one of the players for the actions of third parties? Even if they are his friends (unless you can prove collusion obviously). You go identify the disruptive person, and punish that person. Those noises are distracting BOTH players equally. If one of the players can not focus, you don't go and punish the one who can. This ruling was beyond idiotic.
@@Treeborn Adly said himself that it was only after he moved his piece did the shouting occurred and before he hit the clock. However this doesn't make logical sense since Adly knew that the "shouting" was not an arbiter and if he did only have 2 seconds left, then Adly hitting the clock after making a move should be near instantaneous (as shown after play resumed), Adly's claim that the distraction cost him a whole 2 seconds is unwarranted.
These kids are wrecking havoc in that tournament. That being said, I would have ruled against the adult, if someone screams, you pause the clock to call an arbiter, or you keep playing. Otherwise is you making excuses to not lose due to poor time management.
They returned the clock to where it was at the start of the move: 2 seconds for white and 6 seconds for black. There was an increment, so after white moved almost instantly, he had 4 seconds. Black had been talking to the arbiters instead of planning his moves, so had to think a little, so came down to 4 seconds. That's why it was 4 seconds each after that move.
