@@Joecbg100 In my country we have in a rising party a man who fits perfectly in this profile. He's in the government, started 5 years ago a right-wing extremist party which is now the third most voted party in the country and most of his speech feels like the right thing to do to everybody. The only thing that still keeps him from gain more power is that a few can see right through him the nature of his intentions, and that is what keeps him at bay. And he is a byproduct of years of a rotting political system. Europe at the moment is like this.
I love this scene. Bruce actually PAYS ATTENTION bc he respects Alfred and his opinion. That slight change in his face to true curiosity really sells it. Now he’s intrigued, this is not something he expected in the story. And to later when he asks Alfred what happened to the bandit, he was truly thinking about how to deal with the situation and never forgot Alfred’s council. Just a masterwork from both actors, director, and story writers
not being able to imagine why someone would want to stop your bribery payments beyond the sport of it is a mark of a man who hasn't realized he was the baddy
Alfred doesn't get the joker or the thief's motivation. Why would you stop bribery payments to local officials? To stop corruption. Why would you dump the jewels? Because you are motivated by ideals not gain Alfred was the bad guy
@cryptofacts4u I think most people who read what you wrote won't get it except the part where the thief wasn't looking for gain in profits. That was evident.
He did though. Hes crazy in a way he's killed alot of people he wasnt just a butler but personal security for the Wayne's before they died. Hes former SAS, and protected the queen. Hes the only bat family member that is allow to kill and use guns no one questions it
I love how at 0:09, Alfred explains the joker like he’s some supernatural force. As though the mob made a deal they shouldn’t have in their desperation and brought something they couldn’t comprehend
While it is being used in a different context here, that line about in their desperation they turned to man they don’t understand seems to sum up American politics right now.
Alfred really hits that nail on the head. Evil people don’t always need a motivation or a tragic history to justify their actions. Somewhere, someone kicked a puppy and thought to themselves “that felt good”, and that was all the reason they needed. Some men perform acts of evil “JUST. BECAUSE. THEY CAN.”
Alfred was the bad guy in that story 😵 And he doesn't even realize it This explains the joker is synonymous with a thief who stopped bribery and corruption.
@@danielblair4413 think about Alfred's story. If in the story Alfred is Batman and the joker is the thief Alfred is the one who burned the forest down. The thief is the one that intercepted bribery payments, preventing corruption. Alfred doesn't realize that he was the bad guy in that story, he was the one delivering bribery payments from the British government to tribal leaders. He was a courier for corruption. The thief prevented the corruption by stealing the bribery payments, and we know it wasn't for personal gain because he threw the jewels away. Alfred looking at these events cannot understand since he's the good guy, why someone would steal those jewels unless it was for personal gain. The only thing his mind can conceive of is that some people just must want to do bad things because hurdur "stealing is bad" And just like the thief in the story we see joker burning all that money, showing that he didn't rob that bank, nor did he rob the mob, for personal gain. In the movie, the Jokers actions, the ones that are highly planned, lead to the mob being broken penniless and in jail, the Batman no longer prowling the streets, which if you rewatch the movies it's mentioned in the first and the second that Batman has caused an escalation in the severity of crime and criminals. The dark Knight rises opens with a lowly drug dealer with multiple machine guns, that's excessive.... Why? Because of the Batman. With Batman gone, The mob kaput, and all of the corrupt cops identified and killed or taken out, The third movie opens with 7 years gone by, and we see that Gotham has been peaceful all that time If you're Burmese, and the British are trying to bribe your local leaders so that they'll do what the British want rather than what you the local Burmese people want, can you agree that we would both look at that as bad, and the soldiers delivering the bribery payments, wouldn't be what we as Burmese people would describe as the good guys... Cuz usually when the British Empire back then was giving bribery payments to local leaders, it was to do things that the people would find unpopular, that's why you bribed the people in charge. I love Alfred, and it doesn't hurt me at all to know that he did bad things when he was younger, still love him
@@danielblair4413 The Joker rooted out all the corrupt officials and nearly wiped out organized crime in Gotham (aside from his own). The Joker pushed Batman, an unlawful vigilante to kill Harvey Dent without people knowing he became Two Face. This immortalized and martyred the legal methods of handling crime, Harvey's way, and condemned Batman's methods of fighting crime, the illegal way. Joker's actions directly lead to the passing of the Dent Act, a monumental tool in Gotham's fight against the mob, while simultaneously uniting the city and turning the population against Batman, forcing an illegal vigilante to retire. Joker did more to rid Gotham of crime in a few days than what Batman did in years. Joker is one of the causes of Gordon's promotion, which is a major turning point in the GCPD. Listen to Alfred's story again. He's a mercenary in Burma, fighting for a corrupt government that is buying off local tribe leaders with bribes. The bandit is taking that money away from the government and handing it out to the people. Not out of a desire to watch the world burn, but out of rebellion against corruption.
The joker is the kind of person we all hope we could b he lives his life doing what he wants not for the money or the fame but bc he just loves what he does even if it's bad at least he is just honest to himself and the world about who he is he doesnt compromise for anything
Apparently refusing to yield to the British empires attempt at bribing and subjugating you and your people is somehow illogical and unreasonable (in the eyes of Alfred at least).
And you are malicious troll who wants to provoke some kind of reaction over one scene in, admittedly, brilliant movie. Do the rest of the world a favor and cut yourself out of internet. And, you are reported. Have a good day ! 🤣
A man standing up to the British empire is someone who is trying to subvert society for ideological reasons. That is what the Joker does stand for. The Joker stands for the idea that we all pretend to be civilized, until something makes us lose our mind, and that we are full of inherent social contradictions. Batman also doesn't want anything logical. Batman wants to simply fix the world, where the joker wants to see it burn, and the bandit wanted the British empire to burn. At one time, the British empire was seen as the mainstream of a normal society, as we see our society today, and it was full of regular people like you and me. You could say the joker sees our social institutions as something as laughably just as the intuitions within the empire.
What attempt of british empire? They were working as mercenaries, for Burmese government after it had its independence, i doubt they would work for military dictatorship that replaced it in 1969. Even if this man had some intentiona, all he did was ruin attempts at unifying thr country just for his oetty narrowminded defiance for sake of it, while weakened burmese state fell to a military coup some time late, so yea nice fucking job he did right there, burma is under military rule ever since, amazing.
💯 He's the bad guy. But he speaks so kindly and confidently, and is a character we trust so the cognitive dissonance works against realizing it at first
Start of the movie: "One man or the entire mob, he can wait" End of the movie: "I gotta find this man, Lucious" Nolan did an awesome job of setting up the Joker! Making him go from a nobody to worst of them all! Alfred was the only one who never underestimated him
this is a speech about the grand spectrum of politicians ,war profiteers and oligarchs who need to hear this .and then afterwards need to indicated and punished for the crimes against humanity .
My mum was friends with H.L family in western Australia when they were little they'd seen RED DOG, WOLF CREEK and other trippy stuff like the min min light. Y SO SERIOUS 🤡🤑
I like how alfred refers to the thief as the guy who wants to watch the whole world burn, while he was the one who burned the forrest to catch the thief And that thief was giving it back to the tribes peaps, who originally owned it
I think the allegory was that HE (the bandit) was ambushing and killing just for the thrill. And to finally stop him they had to burn it all down, he no longer had anywhere to hide. But they had to compromise a part of their souls to do it., he was that bad. A sacrifice of self was necessary. Bruce and Luscious had to use a very intrusive tech to find the joker at all cost (burning down the forest). Luscious even said "This is wrong". But Luscious trusted Bruce to destroy it after it was no longer needed, and Bruce did. But! unlike the peoples faith in Dent. Harvey still turned evil. But the people still deserved to have their faith rewarded. The truth wasn't good enough. People believed in Dent so much that it would have torn the city apart if his crimes came out. So they lied. The citizens of Gotham didn't blow each other up, on the boats. But the truth of what Harvey did may have changed that. Their faith wouldn't have been rewarded. If Bruce took the villain role though, as in killing Dent. It gave Gotham something to believe in. It rewarded their faith. It created a martyr.
@@superrugby2I think the allegory was that Alfred was making bribery payments, and was the bad guy. The thief was the good guy, and was solely motivated by a desire to stop corruption. In both cases, Alfred and Bruce, they fail to understand their own actions negative outcomes (bribes are bad for the people and Batemans existence increased crime) and failed to understand the thief working against them as anything other than a madman
@@superrugby2except in the end the truth came out and everything still fell apart. To build on that lie was to set themselves up for failure. I fully understand the position they were and I don’t blame them for it; but their mistake was putting their faith in one man, who is as fallible as anyone. The point of Batman was to encourage more people to step up and be better. One man can’t tie it all together, but he can inspire others to do the same
My thoughts exactly. Alfred applied his cultures values onto this man he never met nor spoke to, and made it assumption about the values of this stranger. All based on the fact that he did not set value on stones that were just rocks to him. Alfred didn't even say what else that person possibly robbed them of. A British man in Burma working for " the local government" has so many implications my young, feeble, uneducated mind at the time did not catch it.
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