The environmental cost of free two-day shipping 

Quick Fix That's clever

almost like its a... quick fix

iTrialpha was that a pun

Quick Fix That is a great idea! And companies might actually benefit from it...

Quick Fix They don’t label something “green” unless they can charge more money for it

I mean, you don't have to drive to the store. I don't.

raney150 > You're right. I don't have a driver license, so all shopping I do by myself is either on foot, by kick scooter, by bus or by streetcar.

@@raney150 only U.S.A. citizens think: normal shopping=driving to supercenters

Unless your in 2020 when you might need it faster

@@raney150 You think elderly folks in my town can just walk 15 miles to the store and 15 miles back with all their groceries? its just not realistic dude

is this a geico reference?

Not gonna lie, the thought of pigeons delivering packages sounds pretty novel!

wow loser i have amazon prime so i get free 2 day shipping! Suck it!

WooferJr good for you. Did I say I cared what you did? Oh wait... NOPE. So go suck it yourself

Amazon has a no rush option and they even offer you a $5 coupon for using it..

Where I live, shipping is never free lol

My company would have a green option that is free. You pay more for fast service.

Omg lol

If it's cheaper and you don't need it today, why not?

I just feel like a box, packing foam/bubbles for a bottle of soap is hugely wasteful, not to mention the 2 day shipping part. @@grumfeldvanderspooijwanker1627

@@grumfeldvanderspooijwanker1627 True

@@melikesleepy Also true.

I live in northern norway and if I buy some electronics or something I get it in the mail in 5 days. That's considered rough in this country.

Your on an island...what did you expect? we don't take things for granted we have a certain level of expectation when we are sold a product or service. if it says 2 day shipping then I expect it, it has more to do with keeping honest advertising standards than "I want it now"....and yes if we lived on an island in the middle of the southern ocean I MIGHT expect my package to get there a bit later than usual.

2-day shipping won't last. It's highly government subsidized in the US, and can't really be sustained. (USPS)

Yeah, too bad for you eh?

Most standard shipping arrives within 2 weeks in the US as well. Also a lot of places don’t have free shipping unless you spend a certain amount of money (usually about $100

U Wot M8 considering you're just running a server, not much

Every 1,000 viewers equals= global warming

Every hour you spend on RU-vid equals 800,000 species of insect going extinct. Specifically YOU. That's what happens when you, personally, spend an hour on RU-vid. Scientists are still trying to determine the cause.

Jordan Crandall legit there is a video online about this

None,Enviromental change is real,But earth is Doug t by itself

please tell me you're sarcastic

which runs off electricity, most of which comes from burning fossil fuels, meaning that the environmental cost will only really drop once we change to renewable forms of electricity generation

+best best wtf?

HeroOnGaming it a bot

Rough Boulder their charging stations are solar powered; thought that was common knowledge... guess not.

Rough Boulder Well, it's a step in the right direction.

Harshit Malhotra There is a limit to what a bike can carry. It can only carry small items, while usually people order the large ones.

Yasaal Abrar I don't know about your country but here, the majority of the items ordered are small in size and frequently purchased. It is the big items that are rarely ordered like Furniture, Electronic Gadgets etc. Even in the video he gave examples of apparel not appliances.

This is like saying we should all go back to using horses for Calvary rather than motor vehicles... Yeah it’s better for the environment, but your talking about major societal REGRESS rather than PROGRESS. Delivery via Drone is the future - not bikes, or horses....

Harshit Malhotra lol I'm from Delhi. Though I lived in UAE all my life I have a close contact with Delhi as well so that's what I've seen

AIRburst95 Weird, because people of the most advanced countries in the world (Netherlands, for example) use bikes more frequently than cars. Progress is realizing something you've made causes harm and switching to something more responsible and sustainable, whether that means creating something new or reverting back to old methods.

zh11147 yes really, I just tried it now. Added a fire TV stick to my cart and switched from free 2 day shipping to no rush shipping "$5 reward for luxury beauty". I know it the past they have given me credit that could be used toward video rentals

Because that’s worked out well for the world...

Kevin Contreras because you just comment to comment....not adding any value.

Scallywag I’m just saying...the thing he used as evidence to say everything is okay doesn’t really hold up because it clearly hasn’t...

Kevin Contreras he didn’t say everything was ok...do you know how to read? Besides how do you know it hasn’t held up? You don’t. You can’t read and you just talk out of your ass.

More like the trams.

Its actually called drafting, and it can be really dangerous.

@@XVeganDaveGodFreeX idk much about the topic so could u explain why it’s dangerous

In the 70's in the US we called it a convoy.

i am guessing, Americans?

Santiago Ferrari Why, is logic and reasoning not good enough for you? Did the part about delivering things faster meaning inefficient use of trucks space, had you confused? It's alright to disagree with something *as long as you aren't making a fool of yourself believing straight up biased lies.*

+Jo King Trump supporters don't have a brain, that's why they fail to reason. 🌚

Darn media! Those scary scary companies want to brainwash me into believing in wind resistance!

Santiago Ferrari lol look even if their political videos are bad, almost all of their videos about facts and stuff like this are well researched. the only one i can think of that wasn't was one on eating less chicken.

Santiago Ferrari every video ever made by everyone has an agenda. The question is whether the agenda is good or bad and whether they managed to stay objective regardless of that agenda.

Honestly, I think even the richest man would say that as an excuse

I’m really poor and cheap. So.

if 2 day shipping is free, standard shipping should be free too

idk how that's relevant?

It's relevant in understanding why some people would choose the free option rather than the standard option. Shipping fees are extremely expensive, though I do online shopping if its something I really cannot find at the stores. But that's looking at something that is 35 dollars and add shipping makes it 40 dollars. While I only make 40 dollars, that's all my money. Shipping cost need to either be lowered or add a fee to faster shipping.

There is a video from Bloomberg for sponge city concepts: m.ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-_elnqk_GQgU.html

AnniMcSally Key word: concept. It’s easy to dream up utopic concepts. Epcot was a concept. Look how different our shitty reality is. We’re literally dying years earlier due to pollution in our cities and no one is taking the issue seriously. (If they were, cars would be 100% banned from city centres and rapid electric transport, in the form of streetcars and trolleybuses would be the mode of transit. That’s a whole lot easier than pie in the sky concepts YET ITS NOT BEING DONE.)

At the beginning of the video they said that online shopping is greener than brick and mortar stores, but only when standard shipping is used. Does that answer your question, or are you asking something else?

You have no f*cking idea, what "carbon sink" even means, and how storage buildings are different to traffic infrastructure by their nature and impact on enviroment. Please just shut the f*ck up and stop commenting about the topics that you obviously have no idea about.

Artūrs Savickis, wow. Please don’t have a stroke on my account. If you care so much to get that worked up, why don’t you put that to use and elucidate.

YepItsThatGuy yup. Really great producer

YepItsThatGuy what about metro boomin though

Cheris Sarjoe when did he do anything in vox?

Cheris Sarjoe idk man mike-will-made has been making moves as well

YepItsThatGuy He definitely has charisma.

we must be using 2 different amazon ca websites then

Amazon in Europe is more expensive than other online shops. Still the most popular one...

Shopping online here is so brutal. Most things have to come from the US, which means longer distances, getting through customs, etc.

you using amazon in the way back machine or something?

In rural Newfoundland, it takes a minimum of one week, sometimes two or more to get things shipped on UPS or Canada Post. I rarely use online shopping, but when I do I just assume that I need to be patient.

DonYelle and Diana and yet your top lazy to google it

As a ups worker this is kinda wrong. With 2 day delivery we fill up two 26foot trailers at the same time hitch them up with most packages filling it up all the way it's to save time and get most packages out to the next building faster. If there is a lack of packages in truck most of the time its due to a lack if packages heading to a rural area with a lower population and thus not enough flow to fill the trucks 100%

DonYelle and Diana I haven’t lol

DonYelle and Diana I want to cuddle with you

They did not have a single industry source in the whole video If you are going to trash Amazon, get their statement

If companies really lost money on 2 day shipping do you REALLY think they would offer it to begin with? I mean, most don't, it is only for the largest that it is economically viable. So trying to equate being environmentally responsible to just being greedy is flawed.

CzarPeppers Even if it is greedy, so? In this case, greed causes less waste. Sounds good to me, I'll take this greed over waste.

It is the same way now.

That's cool to hear as a kindle user. Wonder if it's available here in Canada too

They dont do that anymore for me. I do get something but like for something i dont use like prime pantry :/

Sephxus Yea you are right, but his idea isn't bad either, because it makes people think smarter and ahead of the things they need, in result that would make them group more items into standard shipping, instead of buying 2-3 items at a time.

Green labeling is not standardised like organic is for instance. And is most often used to imply a reduced impact rather than no impact.

Right, good points

organic food isn't so much better for the environment either, they have to use more land because their yields are smaller compared to non organic foods. i do agree that green labels would be a good idea for shipping options

Dude, it literally shows the differences at 1:03. How are so many people not seeing this?

The secret is that in 9 years they don't even send the product. If you wait long enough, your needs are no longer relevant needs.

@@DrWeird2323 yeah but then you could sue them

J No, humans/overpopulation is the real problem.

Kyle Tchen bullshit. Human nature is the problem. Advertising is merely an extension of that.

I agree. The North Koreans have this figured out. Lets elect Bernie and make this happen.

Lol. Consumerism is what gives us an economy in the first place. Without consumerism we would still be in the dark ages.

Wrong! No. Emissions and environmental damage is our problem. If we find a way to minimize the damage a person has on the earth then we can have as many people as we want. We’re going to want as many people as possible to solve these tough problems and expand our race into the cosmos.

Does it make you want to buy a Lacoste after watching the video? If it doesn’t, then it’s not sponsored.

It so seems :D

It does. He looks smart in that t-shirt

😂😂😂

Lauren A I see someone else commented this as well lol. Yeah it's "No Rush" shipping, and they give different kinds of credit. I have like $30 in Pantry credit stored up right now.

I've stocked up on those Pantry credits too, Michael. I think they have an expiration date (something like 90 days?). Feels like I've lost some.

Amazon wants to trick you into their Prime by offering a free 2-day shipping. You have to be very careful because this option is always the first choice. It's not worth it as they always ship rather sooner than later.

We'll probably just get another "crying Indian" campaign to guilt us into cleaning up their mess again :/

Better yet, a carbon tax. Top economists, liberal and conservative, came out with a strong open letter supporting it not long ago.

Dargies M. Electric vehicles arent an 1 way solution to carbon emissions your just getting more load on the electric grid wich still runs for 60% on fossil fuels xD

The process of making a new vehicle is often a bigger carbon footprint than the entire expected carbon footprint of driving the vehicle. Trying to replace the entire fleet of trucks we have on the roads with Tesla's would just cause more problems. It's a complicated problem because almost every action of any significance that you try to take you have to walk back to the origin of the parts, manufacturing, and other infrastructure involved and usually you find non-renewable energy at every step.

MrPoopyButthole69 I was more focused on the carbon cap or carbon tax idea. The electric vehicle idea was to help out. I agree that electric vehicles have issues in and of themselves. They talked about trucks a lot in the video.

What about the jobs for the delivery drivers and the environmental cost of your individual driving?

You don't tend to get stuff delivered to your house from a butchers and I don't have a car.

People diving too and from store.. Plus trucks bring in the goods etc..

Alex Mercado just use regular shipping. it's not that hard to wait 1-2 weeks for something.

i assume that's factored into the chart comparing traditional shopping

It says right in the video that "online shopping (rush)" has a carbon footprint of around 1.75 kgCO2e vs traditional shopping around 1.6 kgCO2e. How do you mean, they didn't address it? ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-5HOijUtExiM.html

David Mulder We still have 0 clue how much that actually contributes into global warming. And honestly how did they get that number? I hope they didn't just assume every single truck is half full

What is your roblox account?

To you too! ;)

Happy Friday to you as well!

5%LowBattery woo

Thanks you too :)

Terry Lambert And stores are totally better because what the environment needs is thousands and thousands of square miles of parking lots and behemoth Walmarts, where once there were trees, meadows, wildlife, etc.

Brenden Bourne this guy gets it

Also, thousands of people driving to the store still creates the same emissions problem

kingtoyab69 let's be real no one knew that this affected the environment. Will people change the way we buy? Most probably no

kingtoyab69 he said that

Don't underestimate the marketing trick of calling something "Green". And companies would benefit from more people choosing the green option in stead of the rush option, they'd safe money.

Felipe Oyarzo It's easy to just choose free shipping at checkout, and cost effective. You bet I'm going to choose it if it's free and doesn't impact the environment as harshly. And I'm going to spread that news. So are thousands of other people. Yes something will be done about it, and if there's enough uproar postal services will do something too. There are of course time-sensitive things, perishable items, even live animals, but if we choose not to rush a postal office for a new lamp or a book we are starting somewhere. And we could always just get off our asses and go physically buy things if it's that important.

I don't know, a lot of the time I'm not really that fussed. I'll definitely think twice about which option I pick now. Sure, if I'm excited about something I'll want it as soon as possible, but a lot of the time when I buy stuff I'm not exactly itching to get it; it's just something I want somewhat, or need for something that isn't urgent.

true. and there's another issue, if the problem is volume, wouldn't discouraging people from using it cause less volume for each travel? say 10 people used fast shipping in a housing area, that is 10 item per truck going to the place. if only 4 person used fast shipping, then it's just 4 item per truck, which have to go to the area either way. Shouldn't we be encouraging people to use it more so that there will be more volume for each travel?

You all are just looking for excuses because you aren't willing to take accountability for your actions. This video is here to show the impact we have on the environment. Stop being so defensive and start looking for solutions and ways to help reduce our carbon footprint or none of us will have to worry about 2 or 5 day shipping because we'll all be struggling to breath the polluted air around us.

@@barihanthorne4993 lol get a life, loser

$10 more please for slower shipping. After all it's "Green".

Mr Hamilton So we should make end times come faster?

Yep

I don’t believe that. People living in 1914 probably thought it was Doomsday for them too. So did the people living through the Cuban Missile Crisis. Every generation believes their generation is the worst, but we’ve always managed to pull through. There’s no reason we can’t do the same.

A planet dying is very very different than some wars mate.

People are still going to have to live in those end times, so best make them as nice as they can be.

Shaggad M what if you want to be at your meat and needed a sock

Shaggad M restart the video lmao

Shaggad M Environment cost.

Brian Kim You might be able to ask corporations to do something but can't make them do it... Either you work with them or not, that you can choose.

Yes, we can: by legislating regulations on the market. That's what "the free market" really used to mean. What we call now as "free market" is actually "free for you, but I need every protection" - protection only for corporations and capital, removing democratic control of population over how we run our society. In this neoliberal society, individual citizens are required to cut carbon emission by themselves, but there's no limits for the corporations, the entities which produce the biggest amount of carbon emission in our planet.

Batteries are currently charged with electricity that's generated using fossil fuel.

Michael Taylor sshhhh! dont break the hubris of these people man!

Michael Taylor The move is still more beneficial than continuing to use outdated engines that provide almost no benefits over battery powered vehicles.

+BizyGi Oh Dear God. You're serious...

Rhiro Yonve So you're telling me that it's better for the environment to continuously use engines forever instead of ever making an effort to switch to renewable energy? And you're asking me if I'm serious? Embarrassing.

The worst part about that is that the US has one of the most robust freight rail systems in the world, the problem is it's used for industry rather than commerce. They ship raw materials around by train and distribute finished goods from domestic factories and ports to warehouses, but it's not used for shipping packages from state to state unless you're doing it cross country (and even then not often)

Still, there is a benefit to helping people be more aware of environmental impacts of their activities, right?

Zach Guo I don't see why you disparaged the green shipping solution. Your suggestion of trains and electric vehicles for delivery is a good one, though it isn't mutually exclusive with the suggestion provided by Dr. Sanjayan. They are in fact complimentary solutions, but Dr. Sanjayan's solution could be more readily implemented than yours. His suggestion is to implement changes to websites that will signal companies to utilize already existing operations. The biggest hurdle businesses would overcome is probably moderately increased storage demands at fulfillment and distribution centers while orders are compiled, assuming the green option is popular. Your solution involves refitting America's rail network for high-speed trains, purchasing thousands of electric bikes, hiring thousands of scooter delivery boys, retraining and redesigning shipment fulfillment networks for bikes rather than trucks, and trying to find a buyer for a fleet of trucks. Furthermore, regardless of the transportation technologies employed, scarce energy is still consumed in shipping, and the worldwide energy supply still relies heavily on fossil fuels. Electric transports and trains are more efficient and account for less C02 emissions than diesel trucks, but they do contribute. If the solution you propose is all that is needed to solve pollution problems, why is China among the countries with the worst air quality in the world?

Solution relying on consumers will at best have a marginal effect. Read history, problems like this were always solved by technological advancement or legal action. About your 'Furthermore', work on your logics, so you think all pollution is generated by delivering packages??

Historically, Legal action has had limited success correcting social issues that result from consumer behavior outside of fascist and communist oligarchies. The U.S.'s war on drugs/addiction is a perfect example. Drugs are illegal, but there is demand, so there's a drug problem. No amount of punishment and no border wall will prevent drugs from being a problem. Legal actions driven by consumer/voter pressure are much more successful. An example is consumer demands for greater food safety led to the meat packing industry improving standards and the FDA to regulate those standards. That is, all solutions to public problems in capitalist republics ultimately rely on consumers. By adding green shipping options, it raises awareness for those that are unaware of the environmental consequences of their shipping decisions, and gives them a choice to behave consistently with their values. Being frequently reminded which of our decisions have an effect on the environment, more people will begin to shift their values toward environmental conservation. That eventual overwhelming public consensus will make consumer driven legal action (i.e. state support for clean, high-speed rail) a legitimate option, which is currently is not. About my "Furthermore", it seems I was misunderstood completely. My point was that trains and electric bikes still have a carbon footprint. Trains and electric bikes relocate the pollution generated in shipping from the roadways to the railways and the smokestacks of the coal-fired power plant. Consolidating shipments by allowing for longer shipping times will reduce the carbon footprint of whatever shipping technologies are used. As I said previously, your suggestion is complementary to the one presented in this video. Every step toward more energy conservation is a step in the right direction, because currently most of our energy is derived from fossil fuels. My comment about the poor air quality in China was meant to highlight the flaw in your view that using trains and electric bikes is the only solution needed for the problem. Lastly, I think you might find you have better conversations with people if you work on a less condescending tone (eg "green button is dumb", "read history", "work on your logics"). It's possible to differ in opinion with someone without resorting to disparagement.

and those are created by a black hole and don’t require anything. Google how those battery packs are made.

katastrofskyy stop eating meat altogether

I'm sure when your country enters the top 20 in global significance, they may throw you a bone. Maybe Vox can discuss the dehumanizing destruction wrought by the caste system in India?

Where have I written that Vox needs to put up stats for every country in the world? Even one or two countries outside of America is good enough. I just wanted a simple change which can be done because I like their content. Please learn to read better before commenting "horseshit" on another person's opinion

Al Qiunn, please get your facts right before saying something... India is a rising global power in terms of both economy and military. Yes, we do have our problems but we are significantly improving in terms of quality of life. Another thing, I didn't say anything about Vox having to mention India's name. It could be any country but it should just be outside of the USA. Heck you didn't even read my comment right

Gene L. yeah .. I agree. Also they would need to study a lot about that country which might take a lot of time .

Mrudul Jain ppl outside the country are simply not the target audience for this channel. First thing in entertainment and etc know your audience.

Philip Dial yes go veggie

They do have videos about that though

Aj Ajaj vegetarians still depend on agriculture! Veganism has been proven to be one of the most planet friendly diets, because the dairy industry is still mass produced so the overbreeding of cows continues to hurt the planet :~)

They have like 3 videos on that allready, and every bit helpes, i'm allready vegeterian. But I would still want such an option, so I could help the planet even more, even though it's just a small contribution!

Philip Dial that’s just inconvenient, a waste of transportation and we could use a more sustainable option with electric cars.

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