The Errors of Dispensationalism [Scriptum #4.3] 

Watch the RU-vid video "Genesis of Dispensational Theology", to see the original source of the doctrine in black and white. New Covenant Whole Gospel: How many Christians cannot honestly answer the first three questions below? Who is now the King of Israel in John 1:49? Is the King of Israel now the Head of the Church, and are we His Body? Why did God allow the Romans to destroy the Old Covenant temple and the Old Covenant city, about 40 years after His Son fulfilled the New Covenant promised in Jeremiah 31:31-34 in blood at Calvary? God is not now a "racist". He has extended His love to all races of people through the New Covenant fulfilled by His Son's blood at Calvary.

Watch the baptism video bro. I went out of being a "reformed" Baptist to actually being reformed.

Next stop : Post Mil 😂

I used to be a dispensationalist but now my beliefs are that of a Reformed Baptist. One of the problems that I have with election is that some ethnic groups have a higher % of saved people than others. I am half Japanese. Few people in Japan care for the gospel. Compared to South Korea Christian churches in Japan seem small and insignificant. Among Blacks there is definetly a higher % of saved people than among other ethnic groups. This, of course, does not excuse the evils of slavery. In Canada many Natives claim Christ as Saviour. One interesting fact about Canadian Natives is that very few are Baptists. Baptists have been in Canada since the 1740's. Pentecostals have been in Canada since about 1905. Yet Pentecostals have been more successful in evangelising Natives than Baptists. Many of the Africans coming to Canada are devout Christians. Many of the Blacks coming to Canada from the Caribbean are also devout Christians. On the other hand any Japanese person who is a Christian laments the fact that few Japanese people care for the gospel.

@@roberteaston6413 how do you know those people are genuinely saved, though? And if few people in Japan care for the Gospel, that only means they need more preaching, more calls for repentance. I hear that adultery and prostitution is extremely common and normalized in Japan- wherever darkness is, the light of the Gospel is also needed. There was a time when sub-saharan Africa, the far east and the Americas had never heard the Gospel. There was a time when only the Israelites and those sojourning in and amongst them had heard of the Living God. We shouldn't be worried with how "few" people are saved, but rather marvel at His mercy in saving any of us. Nobody can be deserving of the blood of God to pay the price for the blood upon our own heads. We have a merciful God who hears those who do not deserve it, and inclines His ears to their sorrows, who adopts them as His own sons and daughters.

@@jakebarnes3054 My mother was Japanese and lived in Japan up until 1956. She told me that growing up in Japan whenever a boy turned 18 his father would take him to a whorehouse as a way of introducing him to adulthood. This practice was so common that when she came to Canada she was surprised that it was not practiced in Canada and the USA. The Japanese have no concept of sin. They have a concept of shame but have no concept of sinning against a holy God.

Thanks for commenting these, I'll look into them!

@@ScholasticLutheransMauro wrote two books in this area, the other is called “the Israel of God”.

That's the goal! There's a lot more to eschatology and defending amil, but I hope this video helps show some weird stuff from premil dispensationalism.

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​@@Lutheranjenkins LOL

@@Nutman2001 YOU.

​@@Lutheranjenkins is it a party here?

Can you cite where Edward Irving said the church would be raptured before a 7-year tribulation? I don't think it exists because I don't think he believed that.

I agree, personally, but I definitely don't take it as a theological matter. Foreign policy is NOT my specialty.

@@ScholasticLutherans The Zionist use theology to get unconditional and unlimited support from the United States. Like it or not, you are part of this issue.

@@coreysmith8489 I'm sorry?

Totally agree.

Does your augment still stand given the whole establishment is naked?

Most such movements today operate from the the U.S. where there is a conservative anti-intellectual trend and a failed education system. Dispensationalism can only thrive in such conditions.

LCMS? What does that stand for? Thanks

​@@Tracy-InchesLutheran Church Missouri Synod, it is an American Lutheran denomination.

@@Tracy-Inches Lutheran church- Missouri Synod.

@@thenowchurch6419 The first generation of Plymouth Brethren in the United Kingdom were well educated. I used to fellowship with the Plymouth Brethren. I was surprised to see small assemblies that had elders that were well educated. Also, unlike Anglicans and a lot of Baptists the Brethren will have nothing to do with the Freemasons.

Same here. Be careful! You'll be labelled as a heretic for taking imminent time statements for what they really are!

Good comment. Thank you. p.s. I speculate that the locusts could be DRONES.

If the Temple is to be rebuilt, sacrifice is to be restarted, a return to Mosaic Law and Covenant can absolutely be inferred. It would not have to be stated outright and indeed probably wouldn’t because that would raise a whole BUNCH of problems in Christian congregations. Also-the land promises were fulfilled. They were eternal, everlasting, and irrevocable AND conditional. Israel had to keep their end of the covenant(s) or be rejected. That is exactly what ultimately happened when Israel rejected their Messiah-the land (the temple and the order of the Mosaic Law) was utterly destroyed. You should probably study the difference between exegesis and eisegesis.

I'd say so because most dispensationalists I know wouldn't say that the Church apostatized for 1800 years. They will argue that dispensationalism has some roots in Irenaeus, Justin Martyr, Hippolytus, etc. and eschatology simply wasn't the focus for a while to discover these truths.

@@ScholasticLutherans That's an excellent point. Thank you.

One difference though is that Evangelical Dispensationalism includes an escape for them called the Pre-Trib Rapture while those other movements do not.

They believe Christ’s second coming would be exactly, either 3.5 years (mid-trib) or 7 years (post-trib) after the rapture of the church. So they can calculate Christ’s exact coming after seeing the rapture 🤷‍♂️

@@americanslav9694 posttrib does not posit a 7 year tribulation AFTER the rapture, but rather a 7 year tribulation from the rapture. As far as I remember, they believe the parousia/advent to be concurrent with the rapture of the Church. It is the dispensationalists that believe the rapture to be before the 7 year tribulation. Seemingly the only way for one to “calculate” the rapture and parousia/advent would be by knowing the timing of when the tribulation begins.

@@SlaveofGod The Video is referring to post-trib/mid-drib dispensationalists

You are attributing smugness to the presenter as if you can know his attitude and intent. I could attribute arrogance and impatience to you as failures in manifesting the fruit of the spirit.

@@debblouin when someone misrepresents a viewpoint they disagree with and then chuckle, clearly communicating that they think the erroneous view is ridiculous, I would attribute that to discernment, not arrogance. What would be arrogant, on my part, would be to assume that the misrepresentation is intentional. But I don’t know 100% is this is intentional or not, I’m currently at about 95%. These guys seem to be smart, but how they could get dispensationalism so wrong is puzzling.

Read Ezk 43:22. The sacrifice of the male goat is for a sin offering.

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Are you aware that what you mention about the Sermon on The Mount being taught by Ryrie, was not taught before him at DTS. DTS taught that what Jesus taught on the Sermon on The Mount was in the future. Chafer taught three groups of people: Jews, gentiles, and the church. Compare that to what Paul writes in Philippians 3:1-3 "1 Finally, my brethren, rejoice in the Lord. To write the same things again is no trouble to me, and it is a safeguard for you. 2 Beware of the dogs, beware of the evil workers, beware of the false circumcision; 3 for we are the true circumcision, who worship in the Spirit of God and glory in Christ Jesus and put no confidence in the flesh, If anyone uses a systematic theology to interpret that is eisegesis. The correct interpretation starts with the text itself and then interpreting in light of its historical and literary context. A careful study of apocalyptic literature solves many problems about how to interpret that literature. Books by David Aune, Earle Eliis, and most any good Bible dictionary such as Dictionary of Biblical Imagery, and Dictionary of the Old Testament: Prophets is a good place to start. Fee and Stuart have a chapter on how to interpret apocalyptic literature and what characterizes that kind of literature.

@@geraldpolmateer3255 Well I know the Scofield Reference Bible made it clear that the Sermon still carries “beautiful moral application” for the member of the body of Christ even though Matt. 5-7 isn’t speaking to us directly. In Matthew 25 Rev. EW Bullinger states “The Parable has nothing to do with the Church to-day as to interpretation, though there is the same solemn application as to watchfulness.” (The Companion Bible, 1367). I’m sorry DTS in its earlier days apparently wasn’t as clear as previous dispensationalists were. Scofield had a protégé named Lewis Sperry Chafer and Chafer started DTS and Chafer had a pupil and protege of his who was raised in his church and Chafer made arrangements for him to attend DTS, his name was Charles F. Baker who became a theologian right after Chafer. Baker wrote: “The true dispensationalist first of all affirms that all Scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is all profitable (2 Timothy 3:15, 16). He makes a careful distinction between the interpretation of a passage and an application of it. Any one passage has only one true interpretation, the literal and primary meaning, whereas it might have many applications. He tests all Scripture by the completed and final revelation given to the apostle Paul, and all truth from Genesis to Revelation which dovetails with Pauline truth he has every right to apply to himself.” (Baker, Studies in Dispensational Relationships, pg. 60)

WHEN IS THE RAPTURE / RESURRECTION? In Revelation 20:4-6 the last book of the Bible there are only 2 more FUTURE Resurrections (Raptures) spoken of: (after the 2 witnesses appear) 4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years. 5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the FIRST RESURRECTION. or rapture 6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the FIRST RESURRECTION: on such the SECOND DEATH hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years. In the above scriptures, these are the Martyrs. John said "this is the first resurrection." John didn't say this is the "second phase of the first resurrection," as pre-tribbers claim. If this is the FIRST resurrection, can there be a resurrection before this one? Of course not, unless you want to ADD to the bible which is forbidden! The First Resurrection is of the dead in Christ and the Second is after 1000 years. Paul wrote that the Dead in Christ MUST rise FIRST, THEN we who are alive and remain will be caught up to meet the Lord in the air. 1 Thessalonians 4:16-17 16 ...and the dead in Christ shall RISE FIRST 17 THEN we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them... In Rev. 20:4-5, John sees the souls of Saints who were BEHEADED for refusing the Mark of the Beast during the Great Tribulation. John writes that they will rise and reign with Christ for 1000 years and that this is the FIRST RESURRECTION! If according to John, the beheaded rise in the FIRST resurrection and Paul said those who are alive and remain are not caught up until AFTER the dead in Christ are resurrected, then this means the catching up or rapture takes place AFTER tribulation! Now compare the above with 1 CORINTHIANS 15:20-23: 20 But now is Christ risen from the dead, and become the first-fruits of those who slept. 21 For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead. 22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive. 23 But every man in his own order: Christ the first-fruits; AFTERWARDS THOSE WHO ARE CHRIST'S AT HIS COMING. Notice only one resurrection of the dead in Christ is mentioned here! Which, according to Paul in 1 Thessalonians 4:16-17 must take place BEFORE we who are alive and remain are "caught up" with them! When did Jesus say the dead in Christ would be resurrected? John 6:39-40: Jesus said, "This is the will of Him who sent Me, that of all that He has given Me I lose nothing, but raise it up ON THE LAST DAY. John 6:44: Jesus said, "No one can come to Me unless the Father who sent Me draws him; and I will raise him up ON THE LAST DAY." Is the LAST DAY the thousand year reign of Christ? I believe so....then it is eternity and time is counted no more So if Jesus himself said the dead in Christ will be raised on the LAST DAY, and Paul said we who are alive and remain will not be caught up (raptured) until AFTER the dead are raised, then where does secret pre-trib rapture fit in? Paul in 1 Corinthians 15:52 - In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the LAST TRUMP last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed. We are changed at the LAST TRUMP and where is this found? In REVELATION, the LAST BOOK of the Bible there are 7 trumps and the 7th trump is the LAST ONE and is at the END end of the tribulation. there is not a 7th last trump prior to the tribulation.

Because it's wrong.

See Matthew 24

Many are Christians, I promise.

Anglican bible translation (KJV), Plymouth brethren eschatology, and 1950’s fundamentalism. But that’s just what all Christians should be?

Are you & I JUSTIFIED by only faith or is there more to it ?

"They condemn also others who are now spreading certain Jewish opinions, that before the resurrection of the dead the godly shall take possession of the kingdom of the world, the ungodly being everywhere suppressed." AC XVII.5 This was referring to pre-mill radicals at that time.

@@ScholasticLutherans so my presumption is that being pre-millennial today keeps you out of the Lutheran camp, then.

How is this compatible with the CA?

Are you Church of the Lutheran Brethren?

This is possibly the funniest comment we've received. Thanks for the laugh!

@@ScholasticLutherans you've been given the truth. The early Protestants were murderers of Bible believing Christians teachers of heretical Doctrine and Bible rejecters. Please read your Bible and stop listening to intellectual theologians you know nothing about scripture neither believe it. You don't need another man to show you what the Bible teaches you need the Holy Spirit a willing heart and time reading and studying

@@ScholasticLutherans is biblical scriptural truth funny to you? It is a very dangerous situation to be in because you will be judged by God and he will use one thing for that judgment ,the book that you are currently laughing at. Get ready for the Judgment seat of Christ my friend it is not going to be a fun place for those who reject God's dispensational truth found within his perfect preserved words found only in the authorized version the King James Bible.

Martin Luther did not murder anyone. You're lying, and your screed proves you didn't listen to the video very closely either.

FALSE! I am a born-again Christian and I definitely do not believe in the rapture.

Good point. I think most are wrong in thinking that the Rapture will be a physical rising up off the earth. My conviction is that it is a spiritual inner event corresponding to the maximum filling and sealing of the saints by the Holy Spirit.

I believe in the Second coming of Christ where we will be gathered into the air. To return to the earth ...

@@toolegittoquit_001 What would be the purpose of being gathered in the sky to then return to earth?

@@thenowchurch6419 It is how the biblical societies would go out to greet/welcome special guests. If they heard that the king was coming, the whole town would go out to meet him and walk with him back to their city/town. Two examples of this found in the Bible is: with the Triumphal Entry when the people went out to lay palm branches on the street leading Jesus into Jerusalem; and in Acts 28:13-16 when Paul was going up into Rome, people from a distance away came out to meet Paul and walk with him as he entered Rome. So on the Last Day when the King of kings returns to earth, those who have obeyed the King's commands will rise up to meet Him in the air as fire consumes the old earth of the sin/curse. Then as the new earth unfolds, we return with Him to live and reign with Him forever and ever. Come Lord Jesus!

That flag is from 1948 and has nothing to do with the Christian faith

I trust the entirety of church history and the new testament over a random on youtube spamming emojis in an incoherent paragraph