Heck. I'll argue with all sorts of nonsense involving Ralph's mother. He wishes to be someone else instead of keeping a face that reminds him of his mother.
If you do get to Season 8, you must play the "Level Up" drinking game. Do a shot every time someone says they leveled up. Just don't blame me for your destroyed liver.
When I heard Barry say it the first time I was like "Ok, kinda cringe but alright" then they kept saying it was too many times and it just doesn't feel right.
godspeed is such a good villain in the comics, i hate the CW for butchering him in S7. They shouldve made him more comic accurate by adding him without speed and for working for CCPD after Crisis. So many opportunities to fix this show.
Honestly, based on what's mentioned in this video, I think the problem is the season was split up into too many stories. I can grant them the Mirror World stuff since they had to leave that unresolved due to COVID restrictions and all that (Side-Note: Can we stop freaking out every time a new strain comes out? There's nothing to indicate it's getting worse. Heck, things have basically been fine since the start of 2021 (Situations in Pakistan and Ukraine notwithstanding. Thanks, Brandon.)!). But as for the Forces stuff... That plot adds nothing to the overall story and could have easily been reduced or cut down to make way for more Godspeed buildup and development.
I agree. Make him like a Zoom, where he builds trust with Joe, Barry and the other cops, and them have them slowly realize it. Now, there are just random villains being thrown in for random reasons, not a great build up to a more powerful overarching villain.
The Chad comics Godspeed: *Has a compelling motive to do what he does, but goes very cuckoo for cocoa puffs on means to reach those ends. You know he has a heart somewhere under all of the villainry(you can even argue said heart is the engine behind his villainry). Ends up **_helping_** the heroes for a bit after his villain arc, cementing him firmly above a one-note antagonist. His way of tricking The Flash originally is as awesome as it is a bit loopy(he literally has to **_speedblitz The Flash_** to even have it work, but **_is successful_** for some time), so the plan is at worst a net neutral.* The virgin CW Godspeed: "The speed is mine!!!! 🤪" *[Clone noises] [Lightsaber noises]*
@@TF2Fan101 I agree with you, but a bit of advice on the internet, don’t bring what many would consider political into your argument because some people will immediately mark it as invalid.
Oh yes, finally. I gave up after Fuerza joining the team and every redeemed villain calling Barry and Iris their parents, so I was really looking forward to your reaction.
Having the speed force being a entity that takes a form is cool but once you make the speed force a actual character that can have emotions and a life just is weird and takes the whole idea of a universal force away
I stopped watching The Flash right after the show started going on about "forgiveness" and "second chances" right after they fired Hartley Sawyer (Ralph Dibny) one week after they found tweets from years before he was even hired. Hypocrites.
I think season 6's first half is good, but his tenure as showrunner quickly went downhill during the Mirror Lady arc and has only got even worse in season 7.
The biggest question for me is - they have all those comics to take from, why they need their own storylines, when they can just pick the best of the best from the comics and call it a day.
I'd honestly give a pass to Zoom. They really did him dirty making him just another evil Speedster but on liquid meth and the black suit was definitely an improvement but comic Zoom would have been too OP for being introduced in season 2.
I still remember when season 3 was going on and I thought it was great compared to other shows that I had watched especially when Barry went into the speed force I was freaking out the entire time. However, season 4 picked up and became the worst season for me. I feel like if we had the mystery of who the villain actually is again it could help bring some form of excitement back to the show plus no more talking to the villain or at least nowhere near as much that it has happened.
Watching Ross have a mental breakdown in the last few minutes of this video is both depressing and hilarious which I guess describes all his videos involving the flash.
By the end of this video, when Ross looks at the camera, I'm reminded of an Adam Driver quote. Paraphrasing: "Alot of people think I hate having my picture taken and I do but that's because I look like I'm giving a cry for help"
The most annoying part (as a former fan of the show), is how much potential this season had at the start, as well as in several moments through the season, so many things that seemed to hint at other intresting things or felt like would have a satisfying conclusion, or concept that felt nuanced and complex but were later just dropped or simply resolved without any further exploration or elaboration. It was such a strong contrast to see a promising season that kept falling short constantly in a row, with the mid season finale being the worst showing of this in all of flash history for me. I feel bad for the actors because some of them really do as best as humanly possibly with what they've got, and I seriously hope to see them in other projects because whether it be the writers or showruner or whoever/whatever, whatever is happening behind the scenes, I don't think the writing is gonna recover to the point where it can re-gain my trust again. It'll have it's moments as always, it's solid first episode/episodes, it's false hopes, but they've proven beyond a shadow of a doubt at this point not to be trust worthy.
I stopped watching when the forces of nature started calling Barry and Iris “mom” and “dad” especially considering all of them are their own people who have their own lives, also it was really fucking weird how the Speedforce all of sudden started to see Barry as a “father” even though when it first showed up it was still talking to him in the way a “mother” would. I honestly didn’t really care that Cisco left mainly due to the fact that in my opinion he’s being nothing but a whiny bitch for a while. It’s nice to know Frost’s little arc ended up not mattering in the slightest and she’s just “there” again, I don’t really care about Chester as a character he’s basically Cisco 2.0 so that makes him fine I guess but what made it worse for me was when Cisco and Chester shared a scene together as they were essentially the same guy.
@@BlackbirdRX the only thing I know about Season 8 is Joe whining to Barry and Iris about Thawne not only does he come off as a delusional hypocrite but he has leaves them with a ultimatum if they let Thawne die, apparently it will “destroy the family” or some other melodramatic nonsense.
I was quite the flash apologetic for a long time, but this season's writing reached a new all-time-low for me, and I merely stopped at the half-way point("forces" saga/arc), I can't imagine how I would've felt if I stayed for the GodSpeed stuff. but yea, it's really demoralizing how they kept building up my hopes only to waste potential again and deliver the most basic/lazy conclusion for some really awesome concepts and with some (dare I say) good and capable actors. I guess them firing Heartley Sawyer was the first sign of bad decisions to come.(cus yea, there were tweets that were more then 4 years old, jokes that have aged poorly but that was the point back in the day, he definitely had changed ever since and they didn't even warn him first or give him one pass even if he publicly apologized, which really makes the whole "redemption/second-chances" message of most of the flash feel extremely hypocritical and beyond dishonest now).
The Godspeed part has more redeeming qualities, but in the end Godspeed himself wasn't a good villain and there are lots of plots crammed there to compensate for COVID Restrictions™️.
@@bigcreator2084 But why cram so much stuff into a single season? Wouldn't Covid restrictions mean they could do less in a season? And speaking of Covid... Can we stop making such a big deal out of it now? Because if you look anywhere else besides the areas where people are saying the virus is bad, the virus isn't that big a deal anymore.
Imma be real. I expected Ross and Grant TO DESTROY the lightsaber part, but they accepted it pretty well. I am now conerned at their level of mental instability and acceptance at the low bar towards the Flash. Also, I was slightly disappointed they didn't highlight Barry's speed feat towards Reverse Flash. But once again, ROSS AND GRANT DID NOT DISAPPOINT!!! I loved watching them go from a place of excitement to just misery. Quality content!
Frankly, I stopped watching all the 'Arrow-verse' shows after 'Crisis on Infinite Earths', it just felt like the end of the franchise to me. I wonder: Now that it seems Ezra Miller may be too much of a trouble maker to keep on as The Flash, could they pull some "Multiverse of Madness" hijinks to replace him with the REAL Flash, Grant Gustin's version? ^_^
That’s a problem with modern day franchises : they don’t know when to end. I feel the same about the MCU after endgame : everything feels like one big ass post credit scene that never ends.
@@endangeredspecies8441 True. To this day I haven't seen Spider-Man: Far From Home. If it weren't for the Covid imposed wait between movies, I wold have lost interest altogether, but I did watch WandaVision, and that got me interested in Marvel again (and still only went out to see the next Spider-Man movie, I waited for any others on Disney+)
Thinking about it now I feel like the show just went in the wrong direction, most episodes you don't even remember the fact that Barry is a CSI. They could've done something in the same way Lucifer's plot lines work where you spend episodes actually investigating crimes and his speed helps in doing so and also fighting the villains in the end instead of all the side character drama and plots that lead nowhere.
I love watching these. I gave up on The Flash after Barry got really into wanting to have his foster sister as a girlfriend. I don't care if it's fine, I think any relationship where the girl could call me her brother and mean it, is too weird for me to keep watching it unfold. Your reviews keep reminding me of all the time I haven't wasted. Thank you for that.
Thank you thank you thank you. There are MANY reasons the show went downhill, but it still boggles my mind how they keep going through with the whole Barry x Iris thing after establishing them as a foster family. I do not care about "they're not blood-related" because that throws out the family relations of MANY people and only leads to a road downhill. I forget exactly how Barry and Iris' family relationship as kids was portrayed in the show, but I got the feeling that Barry always saw Iris' dad as his dad too. I guess the writers got themselves too deep in, what with Iris being an actual character in the comics, and the cast suddenly going "Wait, isn't this really weird?" would make the people who like the relationship REAL angry.
Except they were never brother and sister He had a crush on her before he moved in with them and boys and girls tend to keep a certain distance. Also went to college at 18. They were friends through childhood not siblings
when the whole frost storyline was going on, i was genuinely convinced that frost was going to prison because kramer was forming task force x and needed more man power and im kinda mad because that's such a better idea than what actually happened
I respect you for getting this far with the Flash. I started losing interest after they spent the whole of season 3 trying to convince us that Savitar wasn't Barry only for him to end up being Barry. S4 was utterly forgettable and I couldn't get passed the first few episodes of s5.
Actually you are wrong about season 3. They gave you clues through out different episodes about who Savitar was. Like when they had the guybin the chair and used him as a link to talk to Savitar. He said he was the future flash, he pointed out things about everyone else as well. Always knowing exactly what team Flash is gonna do, the fact that killer frost trusted him enough to go with him right away. You just had to pay attention to what was being said.
Wow there’s one thing that i thought you guys would rip into and laugh at incredibly hard is the Godspeed Scooby doo villain voice and catchphrases! “Tag your dead”, “infinite velocity will soon be mine” and who could forget “wow flash, that was nuts, so you do like to party” might be the best villain lines I have ever seen and heard
You guys need to watch Superman and Lois. Currently airing its second season so now is the best time to watch season 1 which only has 15 episodes. It’s hands down the best CW show and even though that statement doesn’t mean much believe me when I say that it is truly worth a watch so I hope you guys eventually give it a chance
15:44 Even if we disregard the fact that, that's not at all how brains work that still doesn't explain the blood on the emblem because if it's truly just his brain creating the stab than the blood should only be on the inside of the suit.
It’s crazy how far this show has fallen, sure the first 2 seasons aren’t masterpieces and they certainly have their own issues but good lord this show is unwatchable at this point, and it seems like they’ve just completely run out of ideas
imagine nothaving the creativity to write a single good season of a pre existing xharacter with decades of comics behind him, now imagine having to write seven seasons
I love this new format where the two of you talk about each individual episode in order. I stopped watching after this season myself. But if you make a season 8 video, I’ll watch it to join in on the fun
Man, I jumped ship after the season 3 premiere after they just rushed through Flashpoint in a single episode. It's sad that there was really only one great season of this show, which was the first one.
Thank you for finishing this season so that I didn't have to. (The timeless episode was so stupid that it finally broke me, and I couldn't watch anymore after that 😕)
I’m 31…when I was 16 me and my friend were so excited to hear the flash was getting a show in the coming years….the flash was my favorite character back then. To see where we’re at now with this show and the DC universe flash, man….I wish I could go back in time and tell myself not to get invested emotionally.
1:04:40 Crisis reset the multiverse, and created another infinite amount of Earth's. It just compressed some of the CW shows which took place in separate universes onto Earth Prime (Supergirl and Black Lightning), and they lost the ability to traverse the multiverse because multiversal physics as they understood it changed. The people on Earth Prime don't know the multiverse still exists (except they probably do by know because when you run out of ideas you re-use old ones, I haven't watched any CW shows post crisis, I just know how crisis worked.) There are still infinite universes and dopplegangers. Earth 2 is Star Girl, Earth 666 is Lucifer, Earth 7 is Titans, Earth 23 is Doom Patrol (I guesstimated the last two numbers, I'm not looking on a wiki, the number doesn't matter) The bullshit here is that Jay Garrick can travel from his universe to this one when physics has changed and the speed force can't enable multiversal travel. But that's an easy handwave excuse away from fixing, especially since there's a new speedforce so you just say that one can travel the multiverse again.
@@capeto08 I’m aware of what Batwoman highlighted, I know doppelgängers cannot exist as long there’s another still there, but The Flash shows us that Jay Garrick lives on Earth Prime, he’s not from an alternate earth. We just have to accept that that’s what the show and the writers decided to do.
A show I LOVED in the 1st 3 seasons, now I find unwatchable...I see the CW has a very strong habit of running shows way past the expiration date. ARROW, FLASH, SUPERNATURAL, SUPERGIRL, LEGENDS OF TOMORROW...All shows I loved in the beginning, I MEAN LOVED (well SUPERGIRL I tolerated until the 3rd season), but all went downhill after the 3rd season. I see it coming for SUPERMAN & LOIS, honestly, why is BATWOMAN even still on??? IT'S IN IT'S 3RD SEASON...Is someone watching that shit? At least BLACK LIGHTNING was smart enough to call it quits, cause that show was going downhill fast.
@@TheAntiSanta Hahahaha, everything after 3 was what was trash. Everything before it was good or at least decent, seasons 4 onward is nothing but a shitty kids show.
Psyche could have just stabbed Barry outside of the nightmare and he'd still get stabbed, brain tricking him or not, why not use the time they're hallucinating to kill them?
I haven’t watched The Flash since season 4 but I have very similar thoughts about The Flash and Arrow. The first two seasons are great. An underrated third season. The fourth season is a step backward but something I find enjoyable overall. I didn’t fall off because of the quality but I just didn’t have the time to keep investing in the shows. It’s kinda sad for me to see that this show has gone downhill.
Yeah, that's how money works. The Flash costs barely anything to make and is one of the biggest shows on that Network, and Daredevil cost way too much (even before we factor in licensing it from Disney, who was about to make their own rival streaming service) and was just one of many shows on the service.
when something is good but “not viewed enough” it gets cancelled, but when something is mediocre as fuck it gets renewed as it’s an easy show to make. I hate the world, take me out of it please i’m begging.
I’m just annoyed with how the show went since season 2 the quality of story and direction and writing really deeply hurt this show and went downhill grant gustin deserved much better as the flash he completely got ruined after season 2 became a background character had no growth as a character and in his abilities a joke of hero that couldn’t defend him self with or without his speed needed a team always i his ear telling him what to do the “we are the flash” bs Savitar storyline was shit now in season 8 they finally give him Some growth and now it ends in season 9 ?? Grant deserved better so did Candice Patton
The reason this season made me fully give up on the show was because i really liked Ralph and not only did they have him leave the show, but they weren’t even respectful about it
@@bloodyneptune yeah, but he said those things a decade ago and it seems as though he had really changed. It felt so hypocritical because the flash is about how every bad person can change and be good and yet the kicked of a main character because of something he did a decade ago, because they wanted the good publicity.
@@Xehanort10 - Damn, I didn't know about that, and after checking it out... oof. She's lucky to be a black female in a leading role, had she been a white male in a smaller role she would have been kicked out instead of being protected by the CW. From what I read in a Reddit thread about this mess, the CW: *"told Candice to delete the most offensive tweets, told her to stay off social medial for a few weeks and have the CW_ Flash account block users when they are tagged in this twitter thread. They telling you nothing is going to happen. Candice is good friends with Suzanne Gomez who is the publicist for the Flash, they are already handling it so this situation doesnt gain traction."* Then she has the nerve to complain that the CW didn't do enough to protect her from fans at the start, when her casting caused "racist trolls" to complain because another ginger character was blackwashed #redheaderasure The Arrowverse does it a lot, with redheads Jimmy Olsen & Hawkgirl becoming black too... It's not a huge deal, but it would be nice to have a ginger or 2 around; ya know, to diversify the background and all. Red lives matter!
Not to turn this into a debate, but I guess them firing Hartley Sawyer was the first sign of terrible decisions to come. (cus yea, it was a terrible move from their part that seemed to appease the fans that are only into witch-hunting, the tweets were more then 4 years old, jokes that have aged really poorly, yes, but that was the point back in the day similar to many other comedians who wanted to defy the limits and/or get attention, same with James Gun. the thing about Hartley is that he definitely had changed ever since then, and they didn't even warn him first or give him one pass, even tho he publicly apologized, which really makes the whole "redemption/second-chances" message of most of the flash feel so extremely hypocritical and beyond dishonest now).
Yeah, the entire point of his character is redemption and turning into a hero and then they completely obliterate his character/actor for some edgy joke tweets he made before he was even on the show. The show completely died for me then.
Thanks for watching the show for me, haven't seen season 6-7, but have enjoyed your summary, so I don't need to watch it - please do season 8 at some point :D
Whats with the flash tv show and adapting things so soon? Godspeed, Bloodwork and the different Forces were introduced in the booms like a year each before their introduction in the show.
Listen, I am a huge Flash fan and always will be, but even I could barely get through season 7. It was just terrible, there's no defending it. I know it doesn't really amount to anything, but I am currently watching season 8 and its definitely an improvement over the last 2 seasons and actually seems like it has potential. Yes I know we said the same thing about the beginning of season 7, but I still have some hope left. I really wish that by the end of season 8, some light will be restored for the love I have for this show, as well as other people.
I feel bad for Grant as S6 is the first season of The Flash that he watched, when S1 and S2 are the only seasons worth watching. They are the only seasons that consistently have fun moments in every episode while also having actually serious moments when needed, which the show is just incapable of doing now since the writing is so cringe.
@@KEDARUNIVERSE I do really like it.. but unfortunately, I do also think you have to be a comic book fan and be aware of the legal restrictions of the Arrowverse in order to appreciate that season as much as I do.
This fuckinh Allegra filler Episode was the first episode of the Flash ever that i used the good old +10 secounds every time i saw Allegra's face. I am sorry for the actress to get this script.
