The Frustrating Impermanence of Character Deaths 

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No, the town got involved because they realize that if the Pike will do that to their small towns lawman they need to be destroyed. Small towns are more prescriptive and less revenge.

I'm glad I read this. They should not have treated it as though he was dead, that was confusing and... Insulting. Very cop out. Tres lazy writing. Bad lazy, not that there's good lazy, but definitely bad.

@@turinturambar1159 It's doesn't make sense why cad bane, a experience bounty hunter who once work for Sidious somehow didn't lane a killing blow on some guy that he doesn't even know. They make cad bane a chump.

Thank you. This video opens saying he’s dead but he’s very clearly not…

@@BalrogSlayer00 Did you watch the video?

The worst part? It didn't have to be so goddamn sloppy. It could have just been the tale of Boba's salvation, learning to come to terms with his past sins, highlighting the opportunity to change for the better by taking over Jabba's cartel and using it to improve the planet (which was never properly addressed), but no. It's a Filoni show, it needs pointless action setpieces and character easter eggs and to be a completely different show for a few episodes. Filoni can't just let anything sit, he's gotta remind us all that he made Clone Wars every five fucking minutes.

Tbh it makes sense for someone to not die from a shot to the right shoulder nowhere near vital organs

@@fabiankopp4035 in Star Wars actually minor wounds from blasters are lethal due to the heat created when the bolt hits you causing the area to disintegrate and the blood to vaporize which leads to a ton of issues

How the heck would people know the name of the emperor from 30 years ago who tried to hide his true identity and even by his soldiers was simply referred to as “the emperor”?

@@Woopor dontt think about it tooo much

@@Woopor I thought it was pretty well known that Palpatine is the Emperor, I mean, we literally see him in RotS announcing the foundation of the Galactic Empire, so he was pretty open about that. What wasn't well known in my understanding is that he was a Sith Lord. By the time of the OT, Sith and Jedi were more or less considered myths anyway.

@@Woopor no no no, that’s not even remotely the issue. The far bigger issue is that the death of the antagonist from the previous two trilogies, who blew up *twice,* was undone and then given fuck-all for an explanation. The Dark Empire story line in the EU wasn’t even good, but fuck it at least explained how Palpatine came back.

@@Woopor I mean there's way worse about that line than the fact they know who the literal emperors name was

those who cry about the impermanence of deaths in Star Wars are the same people who take the deaths of Luke, Han and Leia as a personal insult because they feel their favorite toy was taken away

@@Ryuk45 Luke and Hans death were actually pretty good, Leia not so much. The reason why so many people are mad is just that they should’ve met each other one last time and their characters were done really dirty. Han went back to being a smuggler, Luke gave up, Leia was good but she makes choices that she’d never do and just died in the middle of a fight

@@Ryuk45 because a death needs to mean something and none of theirs did you fool

why di you say "any audience they have left" as if disney is struggling to hold an audience

@@rooracleaf561 “too big to fail” never works out

Eight if you count C3PO’s memory getting wiped and then restored an hour later

You have to be really dumb then. Almost all of those aren't fake out deaths. The only ones were Chewbacca and C3PO

@@thomasgries704 lmfao what was even the point of that? disney writers are so afraid of permanence, even something as trivial as C-3PO’s memory wipe. i’m pretty sure no one would have cared if he stayed wiped. disney won’t touch real stakes with a 30 foot pole, the finale of kenobi was a snooze fest because of this. kenobi and vaders duel was uninteresting because they both survive. when reva comes after luke, we know that he, owen, and beru are going to be literally just fine. the ENTIRE show centered around leia, and you can probably guess what i’m getting at here.

@@itspfaff To be fair, they really couldn't kill them considering Obi-Wan takes place before the original trilogy, and they're all fine during that time. (Though I do see your point)

@@fizzydrinkwoozy right, it should have taken an entirely different direction instead of making the plot focus nearly entirely on characters of which their fates we are already certain of. and the characters that did die in the show held nearly no meaning, at least for me, because they weren’t explored or even built up.

Well said if there’s still a story to be told with that character, I will approve. But bringing someone back just to show them off is pointless and stupid

Cad Bane massive?

What story is there to literally tell with Cad Bane anymore??

@@numberone2676 you could say that with literally any returning character. Obviously a storyline has to be created for characters in a story. The only people this doesn’t apply to are characters that we’ve seen from life to death and everything in between. Other than that every character has a story to tell, the writers just need to be creative enough to write a compelling one

cad bane should have been dead in universe 25 years prior, he better be now i love cad bane, boba should've killed him before the empire even existed and reclaimed the fett's #1 bounty hunter status

Disney is like "no we paid millions for that character"

Lucus has been doing this for literal decades

@@erikanders3343 like who?

I thought they were overly enthusiastic to kill them off as quickly as possible.

Oh god... please no.

Not in the book of Boba Fett hell no if there’s ever an order 66 a Star Wars story movie that’s when he should come back and there should be a dual between him and Vader it is also just a common theory that many Star Wars fans believe mace Windu could’ve survived as being sucked out a window from 50 stories doesn’t always mean you’re dead in the Star Wars universe especially for a Jedi as bad ass is mace Windu

@@pattiaufzack with the budget these shows have, they probably wouldn't be able to get Harrison Ford

@@QuadZillaGodZillasbrother MACE IS DEAD THE JEDI AREN'T SUPERHEROES!

@@brickabang he hates han and only came back so he could die

People always say this quote like it's so obvious it's laughable, but no, it isn't obvious.

Shirou best character

@@RGC_animation Which by the way, is the actual point of the quote.

@@TheAnimenia unironically

Well, the problem with comic book films is that the source material already happened. BvS was made in reference to Death of Superman comic. When it was first written many years ago, you’re right, it took 6 months before Superman is back. But comic book films is not merely writing new stories, but rewriting old stories and themes from the comics into film. We already know how it is going to happen. Doomsday kill Superman, and we thus expect Superman is not going to be dead forever. Plus, we know they’re making a Justice League movie. Justice League movie without Superman? (Gasp!) Most people know that Superman is a big part of Justice League. Some can argue that the problem with comic book films, as done by Marvel or DC, is that they’re more focused on bringing written comic content alive on screen rather than writing convincing stories for them. Marvel is especially guilty with dropping off a ton of Easter eggs referencing their comics for fans to spot, even if it is to the detriment of the story.

Even if its just rewriting a story, the story can still be just as impactful on screen when done right, even if we already know what will happen. I honestly believed the whole point of a film or show is to bring the comic story to a wider audience, not everyone wants to read a comic, but many more people will gladly watch a 2-3hr film or binge a tv show. If a tv show was written exactly how the comic went, sure, it may take a bit longer to get to the good stuff or see the outcomes of things, but when done right, that suspense and cliffhanger style writing will really keep people on their toes.

pretty sure superman actually was dead for quite some time there. Its not Batman vs Supermans fault Justice Leauge completely destroyed that setup by making his revival a sidepoint

İ mean zsjl did some interesting things with his death so im fine

@@alexanderchristopher6237 It's real simple, you have Superman die in BvS, then you have several solo movies where the heroes are struggling to deal with all the stuff that's escalating, and Superman isn't there Then in 3-5 movies you have a Justice League movie where things are just, desperate and ruined and they bring back Superman.

my thing is how she looks and acts in live action tbh

@@lorealiiiii Dawson's line delivery is genuinely ass when you look at the years of work from Ashley Eckstein. Even if visual acting and voice acting are different, still.

“All part of the plan… THE plan”

@@mercury2157 ya but Dawson has way more ass *wink *wink than Ashley so I'll give her a pass

@@lorealiiiii Well Ashley Eckstein playing her wouldn't feel right as she is youthful grief striken Ahsoka, Dawson is clearly a more mature and less prone to getting angry as she used to, she is at peace.

I think Maul worked because he didn’t do much in the phantom menace

@@brickabang he was most underutilized

Maul worked because he was essentially a nothing character in the Phantom Menace, he was mainly Palpatines henchman who did all the dirty work and then was discarded. The Clone Wars built on that by having his entire arc be about finding his own place and showing that he could be more than just a tool.

Maul worked because it was a request by Lucas himself because he knew what he wanted to do and had an idea of how it can all be, while every resurrection onwards by Disney you can clearly see they got no clue what they are doing and really are money hungry.

​@@smugplush No. It "worked" because he was a nobody in TPM and literally anything done with him afterwards would be better than where he was left off. That doesn't change how stupid his survival was, and all it did was open the door for everybody to demand returns of characters like Windu.

i think this is unironically the plot of venture bros but don't quote me on that

this sort of thing happens in gantz a few times

You should watch Re:Zero

Everyone is Deadpool?

i think this is what happens in warframe with the orokin

If there was any character I'd accept blatantly stupid, completely unjustifiable contrivance to see again, it's Grievous. I fucking love Grievous

SHHH! They don't need any help!

I feel like you could bring back some kind of shell of grevious, he was an android and a majority of his fights were somewhat recorded they could perhaps make a grevious but pure robot. No talking, just like his intro in the clone wars. treat him the predator from the OG series.

Well, you know what they say, the dark side of the force is a pathway to many abilities that some consider to be...bad writing.

@@theauthor6669 there is actually a story like this in the new canon where I THINK Vader encounters a group of mercenaries lead by a Mon Calamri that uses Grevious's rests as his prosthetic body to fight him, 4 arms and lightsabers included but it's a really dumb way to do this.

Same, so that doesn’t bother me

Why would he do that he also is one of the most accurate gun slingers in the Star Wars universe

@@blackmask2699 wanted him to deliver a message ? Idk

@@blackmask2699 he is but I would imagine he also has respect for a fellow gunslinger as to where he obviously did not have respect for the deputy

@@CT-1255 Yeah, he acts the part of only wanting the money, but he and the Fetts both had a sense of honor towards those they hunted that few other bounty hunters in universe tended to have, treating all foes as worthy challenges. Which is honestly my main reason for hoping Bane survived the bit in Book of Boba Fett, for no other reason than that he and Boba shouldn't have been placed against each other. Cad would've likely had more a mentality of "wait, lil' Boba has a gang now? I wonder how that'll go. Might drop by and offer him my... services. That is, if he lasts long enough. If not... oh well, that's how things go in this business."

Palpatines cloning was done well in extended lore tbh just not in the film. He had like rly scuffed clones that would die in like a year and didn't have much of his power left

That’s what destroyed the sequels for you?

@@aidan3917 I stg if u say because of "wokeness" I'm killing myself.

@@guzimAntonova It was a bad idea in Dark Empire too. Personally I choose not to acknowledge anything after ROTJ, EU or not. I like to make up my own ending.

I agree with this so much, and honestly they shouldve stuck with Colin Trevorrow’s original script. No Palpatine in it, just a wrap up of the crap set out in the first two movies that actually sounded like it would’ve been very satisfying for what we got in the sequels.

what series was that if you don't mind me asking

Marvel MCU was as bad as anyone. But then they killed everyone and we all knew they were coming back. And they did but enough of them died for real that i liked it especially bc i could - if so desired - ignore anything after Endgame. it was the END - it's in the name. I've been entertained since tho. An android coming back is different. And then it's like different universes. Basically to me, it's just different stories with same characters after Endgame. As long as Stark and cap do not return more than a few flashbacks or recordings, i'm fine. Maybe i'm too accepting bc no one fakes out deaths more than my favorite storyteller: GRRM. It was several books and about 15 yrs that people thought Theon had been killed. Jon's return is (was) well setup in the story. He needs to return different tho. Like Stoneheart No one cared about Gandalf coming back. That impossible mission and thru the whole thing, the ONLY major characters to die are Boromir and Theoden King. Bilbo is 139 yrs old still kicking. But we are okay with it bc we know they ALL eventually die or pass into the undying lands. The king lives to 200-something but he does die and lives on the way we humans do: in our progeny. Or, like Baggins, in our words

I didn't cry when Aeris died, because I knew she'd be okay. I mean, her death just came out of left field; but I had played and Finished Final Fantasy III (6) already and they threw in that whole Terra-may-die bit at the end, but as it turns out, only her esper side did. Also, in FFII (4) Cid died liek a million times and got better every single time, so obviously there was no need to worry. Boy did I have a storm coming! (Yes, the remake is going to do something weird, that ultimately breaks everything... -as if they haven't already,- but that isn't my point.)

@@burtan2000, didn’t it say in A Storm of Swords that Theon was being tortured and wasn’t dead?

@@burtan2000Lord of The Rings was also like, perfect at executing everything in the story without needing to kill off many characters. Completely biased here. Won’t lie about that

so? Grougu is not part of his tribe. His life with the Tuskin's did not make him into a good guy, not by a long way.

Grougu is 50 he ain’t a child. Also anti hero boba fett is awesome. The new boba fett sucks

@@poultry-lover6665 grogu IS a child. Just, not in our age anyway.

That seems really out of character for somebody who’s supposed to have like an honor code or some shit from the lore. Then again he can fight Vader to a standstill but got taken out by a blind guy with a stick so did his character ever really make sense?

@@creed8712 well an honor code does not mean you respect a alien child, especially in his prospective the child of a thief who took his armor. honor codes are a necessity in business, not a substitute morality. You have an honor code because otherwise a customer has to wonder if you will kill them and take the money rather than do the hard work of getting the bounty. Having an honor code does not mean you are a good guy, does not mean that what someone else may think is morally dubious is not perfectly ok with them. Lets take the Mando's " I can take you in warm or cold" line. He basically is saying cause me trouble and I will kill you. Do you think he questions what will happen to those bounties when they are delivered, likely to crimelords who will enslave or torture them? No. If you are paying you get what you paid for, end of discussion. Hell, Mando straight up disintegrated people for trying to steal parts from his ship. That is not the action of a good or moral person. He did it because the jawa's were too numerous and he wanted to keep his stuff. Look at Shand... she kills people for a living, for the advantage and has no morals about it, no qualms, but she has an honor code because it allows for customers to be assured that what they pay for they get. Hell, Fett worked for a slaver, a sexual predator and did most of his dirty work.

Ti's but a scratch

the only good fake out death

Retcon aside, there was never actually any payoff on the chosen one element. It was loosely introduced in EP 1 and given a quick nod Ep 3, and it otherwise had no bearing on the plot. The betrayal in RotS hit hard because of personal connection, not because of any underdeveloped prophecy. Then it never pays off in 4-6 because it didn't exist when they were made. While it gets touched on in the expanded universe (both old and new canon) in the core films themselves it's a completely pointless detail.

Alt timeline? Nah to me they never even existed at all

@@BonaparteBardithion I don't think I understand what you're trying to say? How is there no payoff to the chosen one plot point in episode 6? That's the entire conclusion of the film and final encounter with Sidious. The prophecy in 1-3 says that the chosen one would bring balance to the force. BALANCE being the key word here. Not just, the evil guy is dead now. Luke is a character that especially in episode 6 tows the line between the light and the dark. He is the balance of both sides and understands both in order to see the good that remains in Vader, in Anakin. It is through Luke (the balance) that Anakin sees the light that remains somewhere amidst his darkness, and in one final act of true heroism, sacrifices himself to kill the ultimate evil. He ends both halves of himself the darkness of Vader, and the light of Anakin, and brings true balance to the force. So personally I have absolutely no idea how you could be saying the prophecy isn't payed off. Even though it was made retroactively to what happens in episode 6, what happens in the throne room still happens just like the prophecy said it would.

@@castlewhale4746 No, you're correct. He certainly was instrumental in bringing balance to the Force. But in that reading, the Chosen One role is filled by Anakin (who wiped out the Jedi) and Luke (who overcame the Sith by recovering Anakin) together. In that sense there isn't a chosen ONE, there's a theoretical destined set of events to reset the balance which the Jedi may interpret as a Chosen One. And the sequels certainly threw those events under the bridge. What's more, the events in the OT deliberately denied destiny - a word that Vader used several times in trying to recruit Luke. Likewise Obi-Wan and Yoda told Luke he had to confront Vader, and while he did so Luke chose not to do so with violence in the end. Vader taking out Palpatine wasn't fulfillment of prophecy, it was his last act of humanity. He chose to save his family over power and influence - a tendency that is very present in the prequels and drives almost all of Anakin's actions. Both the end of the Jedi and Sith occur because they both devalued family ties and underestimate the lengths Anakin was willing to go to save his loved ones. So, when I say the prophecy element doesn't matter (I guess no pay-off wasn't quite the right phrase) it's because the fulfillment is completely accidental. We can say that's what makes it great because it wasn't fulfilled by big grand gestures but accidently by very human motivations. But we can also take any reference to it out of the prequels and the plot of all six movies will run exactly the same minus some minor adjustments to Qui-Gon's lines, which makes it superfluous.

@@BonaparteBardithion I guess my biggest issue was the "Lack of pay-off" part. You're completely right about the rest of it though and I quite appreciate your interpretation of it. Exactly as you said about Luke being destined to confront Vader and choosing to not do so with violence, Destiny can not be avoided in Star Wars, but it CAN be approached through unconventional means.

Yeah. This need to be said too. Even if the explanation for the "not death" being cool, develop a underdeveloped character or makes sense. If you have abused this fakeout deaths so many times you shouldn't do it even in those cases. Let people die. After this video we already have more 2 fakeouts: Grand Inquisitor and Reva. If i'm not forgetting anyone. but probably there is more.

Glory to Arstotzka!

@@Silverymooncity Cause no trouble.

That was me with Loki

@@suzanneclark7706 The series or the character (or both)?

You say "we" but I can assure you nobody truely believed Kylo Ren was dead either of the times you mentioned that, and thats ok, the movie was not trying to make the auidence think kylo was dead in those moments because his death would be meaningless to the plot. Similar for Chewie, nobody actually thought chewie was dead because it served no purpose to the story at all and would have been the most dissatisfying death ever. Also I don't think people thought Rey was dead because it would make absolutely no sense, if she was truely the one to bring back the jedi, which is what they were clearly implying, they were not going to kill her off before she can do that. Nobody thought C30 was going to loose his memories in the movie, the trailers imply it but when watching the movie they clearly say R2 has some sort of backup. I'm not defending this movie but I don't think this argument is good against this movie expect palpatine.

Well, to be honest, if people paid enough attention they would have noticed Rey destroyed the other ship.

@@theshredder103 Nah they obviously want you to think they're dead in the moment. At least for most of them. Chewie was heavy bait with sad music swelling. The others a bit less so except the force heal part.

@@theshredder103 - Accidentally killing Chewie might have led to some interesting character development for Rey... but I guess the writers looked at each other and burst out laughing at the idea.

The C-3PO one pissed me off so much even before they undid his memory wipe, since they basically turned it into comic relief

Hard disagree…especially in this case. Maul, boba, sidious were all actually dead and we were still watching. And nobody really cares about the sheriff do they?

@@Rantsnrambles808 Exactly. God, I wish that Filoni just let Ahsoka die on Malachor. I love Ahsoka, she is literally my favorite character but she shoudl've died.

@@Rantsnrambles808 I mean that this collective state of "make the whiners happy" started in, like, 2009, as far as I noticed, so they were all dead before this. Notice that this whole "resurrect my character or you'll lose fans" is very recent. I mean, if it wasn't for the books from the 90s, Game of Thrones would do the same thing, but even with Ned Stark and Khal Drogo, like, "Edo Tensei for everyone, get over here, whiners, we're pleasing you guys!!!" I knew the sheriff guy, Cobb, from the books, so I kinda just "ooh, too bad, he was awesome, but, ooh, well". As an published author, I can say that having readers and fans complaining about me killing some favorite character in the story is exhausting, I even got confused when I had one about from my first book, like, "people truly loved this one that I didn't even give a name?!!" 😅.

I remember this happened in the walking dead when Glenn and Abraham were killed, people genuinely stopped watching until (no joke) they came out and said their deaths were just a dream...

@@lesbianduck7862 well I stopped watching after the bikers some how lost a fight while kicking them. It was stupid

That was dumb too.

@@user-xx6vy9ri8p it was more acceptable when you needed to make a gimmicky video game boss

Dont forget about Sion, from KOTOR2, who was literally too angry to die

That’s true, but I think Vader himself really set the precedent for showing someone on the brink of death only kept alive unnaturally by pure hatred

@@SlashManEXE - Eh... it at least gives the creators the leeway to play in that space. The biggest hinderance around Vader is that we never knew the extent of his injuries or how near death he ever was until E3.

Well, none of those characters are completely different people functionally, and huh, did WandaVision revive Vision? i should really watch that and see.

@@anakinlowground5515 they made a white vision but at the end he got his old memories back so he's basically back to his old self

@Quickly form Natasha died in Endgame

Welcome to comics stories. That stuff has been going on since comics' inception. It is absolutely not exclusive to the MCU.

@@omarimus2260 If he was his old self, he'd be with Wanda and the Avengers, not leave on his own.

The way he came back in the comics is the same way. In the new canon it's also explained that his body is rotting away. That's why he's kept on this machine. He looks like a fucking zombie.

They fucked up the live action characters, so will try to use the animated one for a new live action triology, and will probably fuck up too but hopefully less That's probably why the whole timetravel dimension existed, give a way for people and writers to justify their canon

Why is the perfect conclusion confronting Vader? If anything, I think that makes her a little derivative-I think you could only think that was the perfect conclusion if your understanding of Ahsoka is wholly defined by her relationship to Anakin. I also don't know what a "necessary" Star Wars show is. Has there ever been one?

This is how I feel about your comment. Ahsoka didn't have any conclusion with Vader as you can see her walking out of the temple in the ending of the episode, therefore, already telling you, she's alive. So no conclusion.

Ikr, because whenever a character gets to a conclusion they just cease to exist. That's basically your comment lol.

The path is a concept hinted at several times throughout star wars in both legends and Canon, its hinted at in rebels and its clear palpatine wants access to the path, be it to make sure he can foresee his death, have someone steal him out from his death, or even to pull vader out from when anakin leaps over making him a stronger apprentice

dark empire is so insane that its enjoyable

There was also the caveat that each new clone lasted less time than the last one and it was hilarious seeing palpatine get more and more desperate as he realized his longtime plan was destined to fail.

Luke: You guys block lightning?

Vader: You guys survived force lightning?

Dude, Cobb Vanth got shot in the shoulder. A tiny bit of bacta fixes up that kind of wound really well. I was doubting if he died throughout. He got shot once in the shoulder, and his deputy got shot multiple times. The shoulder is, perhaps, the most unlethal place to get shot in all of fiction. There's absolutely no way that someone would die from one shot in the shoulder. Also, everyone rushed to Cobb's aid

Probably cause the guy just dropped like a dead body after getting shot, most people, especially those with a stronger will, will take a shot like that and still noticeably survive, usually by reacting and trying to stand back up (if knocked down) or stumble from the impact but still hold their ground. Its definitely a clear shoulder shot, but the reaction implied death.

@@fusionwing4208 also add to the fact that before Disney Star Wars, when your shot by a blaster bolt, your 99% of the time dead with the exception of Captain Rex in the Clone Wars who took a sniper round 1 inch above his heart and lived.

@@fusionwing4208 He also didn’t show up with the rest of the village in the final part of the season. The villagers didn’t even say that he was alive.

@@ZackeriseZeplane Before Disney, most soldiers who took a blaster bolt were still not dead, they were knocked out as their armor spreads the energy taken from the bolt, most of the stormtroopers we see get shot are not dead.

Because of the reaction of his towns folk.

Is it possible to learn this power

I know I’m not the one your talkin to but I think it could work if they either make the ghost a bit wiser or more vengeful, or for alternate form as basically just feels almost like a different character

That's really just another method of reviving them in my opinion. If it's a ghost, it's still the same character that you are bringing back into your story. It can work if the character has a purpose like Obi Wan, but I've also seen it as a cheap way for characters to get closure and cope with grief. Even worse is when it's an alternative version, because it's often used as a shortcut to developing characters and changing them into whatever is convenient for the plot at that time.

@@jacobg8640 I kinda think it could work. The movie ASTROBOY does this take on the “alternate version” very nicely

@@skelebonez1349 Red vs Blue perfected it with Epsilon Church

I think, so long as it's done right, this is fine. It's a permanent consequence, the character is still dead and, unless they're corporeal undead, they have a limited ability to interact with the story.

Kylo Ren got shot by Chewbaka’s Freaking mega blaster unaware and barely flinched yet Cob got hit in his shoulder and straight up dropped dead. Sure, kylo may have some force stuff and Vanth may have been older, but still.

Then why did they say he was dead?

@@ethanmasuda8231 They never said he was dead.

@@Agherosh “gunned down in cold blood” in response to din saying sorry about the marshal they clearly say it

@@Woopor yeah like before in maz’s castle it causes and explosion which kills like 3 troopers when Han fires it

Except immortal lol-no comic spoilers pls, just have seen the show.

@@BalrogSlayer00 well his whole thing is that he’s… well, immortal, so he’s an exception to the rule

Until they time travel lo

Same with his other main comic TWD. Although the TV show didn't really follow that rule.

He has the opposite issue, You read or watch any of his you basically know that the deaths will be random and mostly pointless.

Me too m8...i cant understand why the SW keeps pandering him, while he is a limited writer and without GL he is only destroying the franchise.

@@robertocaetano4945 like i keep saying, if you can write it better, write it better. i think dave filoni does a better job than i ever could so i'll continue to support him until i feel differently.

@@taylrthegreat Yes, i can write better than him easily. We already have source material (Aka Expanded Universe) to him to use. If you watch Rebels, Resistance, Bad Batch, Mandalorian, Book of Bobba Fett...its all the same base. Most episodes you have a crew/character landing in a remote planet and doing subquests, while he know some other characters or in the third, mid or last episode one cameo thats doesnt add nothing to the plot. Its Star Wars without Wars. Its ALL tv shows with the same principle.

@@taylrthegreat You can support whatever you want to. But its a fact that Star Wars have a massive downgrade in his lore and material. Its a fact. High Republic sucks...the old EU about the Old Republic, Rakata Empire, Jedaai Order, The Sith Wars, the Army of Light, the Brotherhood of darkness...its far way better than anything Disney did. Thrawn Trilogy, New Jedi Order books, Legacy of the Force Books its much better than anything Disney did post ROTJ. Its a fact.

@Matt Not true. None of filoni's characters have ever stayed dead or even died at all for that matter. Abrams wrote two shitty movies. Filoni is responsible for three shitty TV series, *and* he had a hand in writing the sequels/Rey. There's no excusing that.

Mauls returns doesn’t undo Obi-wans victory at all, Obi-wan still defeated him and injured him to the point that Maul wasn’t seen again for 15+ years. And Boba Fett changed because of his experience with the Tuskens over a few years, not just by surviving the Sarlacc

Well they did something good with Maul at least

Maul becomes a reveres flash to Obi-wan as a haunting ghost reminding him of how far he’s come as a person. Palpatine returning was bullshit but in another timeline we might have seen Vader return so eh. Boba fett isn’t a character. Vader telling him not to kill the bounty makes me think the guy is really bad about following orders and is more a liability. But hey he looks cool so his character must look cool (and they maintain that even after seeing him get smacked by a blind guy and dying until it was said otherwise)

That would also wound the point of Sam. He was meant to be what Raiden would have become had he not adapted as well as he did. I get liking a character, I love Sam as well. But part of what I love about him is that his story has an end. And that end has a meaningful impact, especially given how Raiden is only able to beat Armstrong once he gets Sam's sword

I just wanna know why Mother Talzin knew maul her son was alive trapped somewhere with his location on the amulet and she didn’t even bother to get him till savage didn’t have a master to train him.

@@joe-weeny4918 ikr!? That's one of my biggest gripes about Maul's arc. To this day we still have no explanation as to how Talzin discovered that Maul was alive and why she didn't bother to search him out herself after all those years. It's frustrating.

@@StevenZissimos i personally with the sisters being a plot device but besides that i disagree, as for why she didn't bother to go get him, A. the sisters are isolationist and didn't want to risk anything, B. she probably wanted to mold him into a weapon in her/savages service, him immediately being saved probably wouldn't work due to him being still somewhat loyal to Palpatine, C. probably some other reason we are overlooking since i only know so much.

@@zackanderson7440 well the sisters risked themselves for Ventress by attempting to assassinate Dooku. I don't think rescuing Maul would be as risky. And I'm pretty sure Maul would already feel betrayed by his master for not coming back for him. He'd be more inclined to work with those who actually brought him back. Plus he was already resentful of Sidious for holding him back for so many years, as we notice in the Darth Maul comics. He would see joining Talzin to be a better opportunity for gaining power.

@@StevenZissimos true, true, all in all i still think it was fine however

Cad Bane better be dead. He’s a horrible person. If they make him alive and then turn it round so he was doing good all this time then I might have to walk away. 🗡

Okay so he got shot in the shoulder and the people of Freetown knew this, yet they were talking as though he’d been killed. This didn’t confuse you?

@@SheevTalks Not really... I mean they probably saw him get shot and decided immediately to leave for Mos Espa, before he even got back up (he does get knocked unconscious). In the rush it's understandable that they assumed he was dead and hurried to avenge him.

@@ZoomerUnion I was with you on the shoulder bit. But after that you’re off rails. “They saw him get shot and decided to leave without checking on him” I mean yeesh. It’s really clumsy just so they can try and fake us out a little harder.

@@Rantsnrambles808 yeah maybe it is sloppy. Idk, I suppose I got swept up in the pacing of the episode and didn't think too hard about it. Still I swear it made sense in context 🤔

@@ZoomerUnion Him getting knocked unconscious from a blast to the shoulder is bastante dumb.

Character time out.

I guess Mando is stupid then

@@stigs6610 Mando wasn't there, he got secondhand info

Just because you can doesn't mean you should.

Tell me you never been shot without saying you never been shot

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Spoiler it doesn’t connecy

"somehow palpatine returned" after hyping out other main villains trough the 2 movies was differently the peak of cinema

Hated it there too.

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In that time, the Prequels and the chosen one concept never been created (like how Jedi Order really was) so we can forgive Dark Empire...thats was amazing story...i like the part 2 when introduces Kam Solusar and the burning in Lukes heart to revive the Jedi Order. Luke vs Palpatine was amazing too.

lmao Grundy go brrr

I forgot Solo even existed

Wouldn’t work for the casual Star Wars fan because they have absolutely no idea who that character is

@@chasehedges6775 And the casual Star Wars fan knows why Maul appears with no explanation?

To stay with christian mythology as an analogy, Jesus had to actually die to save from sins. There were huge debates in the second to fourth century about this, and from then on claiming that Jesus never died or only seemed to die, was considered a heresy. In the Disney Star Wars, Palpatine never died. It's not even clear if it's the same body that Rey confronts. Nothing fundamentally changed for Palaptine after VI, he stayed alive and he still had his power. It was only a political blow not a spiritual one, and even that didn't even stick for more than a few years. Arguably, he GAINED power, making him able to build Star Killer Base. So where's the balance?

I have absolutely no problem with evil returning. I specifically take issue with Palpatine coming back and undermining Anakin’s sacrifice. The prophecy as Lucas states is to restore balance by ending the plague that was the Sith, which dies out with Palpatine and Vader