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The GENIUS followup to Erik's 15/15 Build in ZvT! (+ Serral's reaction) - StarCraft 2 

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@kw8295
@kw8295 Год назад
That was crazy how the CC was literally 71/71 and it didn't finish, if he had sent those lings LITERALLY A MILISECOND later it would have finished. Such a clutch build
@AdioShu
@AdioShu Год назад
The early dropped creep map vision is a game changer, what a great use of overlord speed.
@Tcapac
@Tcapac Год назад
I don't think Aqueron noticed that the CC didn't finish, it stayed in the production tab for a full minute, between 2:55 and 3:55 in game timer. That's huge damage
@Lukas-ii9kw
@Lukas-ii9kw Год назад
The rally point resets if you really to a unit or building that then dies. I think polt used to build a depo at the front and really to that so when it died, he would accidently really his units to death
@apgamer4053
@apgamer4053 Год назад
i am so happy to see a queen dropping creep from a dropper is actually a thing i was thinking of trying it but never see it
@asharak84
@asharak84 Год назад
rally point might have been set on a unit that died? I _think_ that resets it
@Templarfreak
@Templarfreak Год назад
yep, this happens to me all the time while playing Raynor in Co-Op.
@chriswoodend2036
@chriswoodend2036 Год назад
Watching a viking run from an overlord was hilarious and felt like justice. =D
@johnnovak6386
@johnnovak6386 Год назад
Don't make fun of vikings you filthy Zerg player 😝 Definitely a hilarious interaction we never see lol
@bacon-SG
@bacon-SG Год назад
Poop bandits
@Sparta-vu3jj
@Sparta-vu3jj Год назад
Rise of the Poop Bandits get this build in the hands of Neuro immediately
@raf74hawk12
@raf74hawk12 Год назад
I was thinking the same thing
@chir0pter
@chir0pter Год назад
It took 13 years but someone is finally using speed ovies & queens to spread creep in a conmpetitive game
@Galahad54
@Galahad54 Год назад
I've regularly used 14 hatch 14 pool ovie or 14 hatch 14 pool 14 extractor overlord. Good against middle of the road builds - problem vs some early cheese. And yes, send the main queen down. Skipping ling speed and fast warren/roaches is my most successful followup.
@orangepearlf40
@orangepearlf40 Год назад
I like this build because there's a handful of mind games going on. Keeping your opponent on their toes is a chess type of strategy.
@QuasarGamers
@QuasarGamers Год назад
Production rally points will get reset if the building is rallied to a unit/structure that dies.
@SteveB-nx2uo
@SteveB-nx2uo Год назад
not exponentially harder. with each additional creep tumor, it gets slightly harder. exponentially would be if for each new tumor, every existing tumor replicated.
@CasualCosta
@CasualCosta Год назад
Erik is a real life Twitch chat grandmaster.
@kindenigma4119
@kindenigma4119 Год назад
I have a question, why not just do both extractor tricks to shoot to 16 drones immediatly and than follow the build as normal? Wouldnt that be better because you get those drones out fater to mine early on till you have to build the spawning pool and you end up back to 14/14 drones but the OL pops immediatly at that point. Just wondering bcause I love this build and had some nice success when I actually play the rest of the game well. It actually still wouldnt get blocked either on the 16th drone because of how early it comes out compared to a normal 16 drone
@enriquegarciacota3914
@enriquegarciacota3914 6 месяцев назад
12:36 The way you miss a rally point is: you rally to a unit (probably by mistake) and that unit gets killed.
@tyrellwreleck4226
@tyrellwreleck4226 Год назад
Serral actually do this against Maxpax. He got totally rekted lmao
@blessyou3999
@blessyou3999 Год назад
reminds me a bit of wol(?) with 11 pool.
@Starcraft2fans
@Starcraft2fans Год назад
I've tried 14/Hatch opening versus Protoss and 2 base muta as a follow-up. It works well in Diamond.
@bloodlustuponme
@bloodlustuponme Год назад
And then Serral pulls an Erik against Clem in the ESL Masters semi finals. Incredible
@ramel3892
@ramel3892 Год назад
Is this the build that Serral used in Kung Fu Cup #3 vs MaxPax? Love to have your analysis on that series.
@lupusprobitas
@lupusprobitas Год назад
A pretty neat build, I would love to see you cast a few of those Serral games where he use this opener. Not to mention a compilation of your more exciting games using this opener and build. 🙂
@alexwhiteman2628
@alexwhiteman2628 Год назад
Yeah nothing is wrong with queens balance wise at all. Loading them into an overlord and creeping the other side of the map with 6 range queens is totally balanced.
@kcx1588x
@kcx1588x Год назад
Because if you do a stupid move like that, 2 cloaked Banshees would get easy kills on the queens!!! Especially if you try it against ~Maru ~Byun ~Cure ~Bunny ~Innovation
@nickv9820
@nickv9820 Год назад
I feel like that sort of early creep spread is a game-changer for sure. I feel like cutting two roaches from that first push to get an even earlier bane nest + speed and then leaning harder on Queens/banes in the midgame might be a good transition as well, as that's pretty much the ultimate defensive setup if your creep spread is insane.
@glados4765
@glados4765 Год назад
Erika opening is when the demand for micro exceeds supply.
@thomaschang7996
@thomaschang7996 Год назад
great video!
@chir0pter
@chir0pter Год назад
This guy is my new favorite non-pro
@theomniscientopossum6350
@theomniscientopossum6350 Год назад
Really interesting. Cool to learn about this.
@zachariastsampasidis8880
@zachariastsampasidis8880 Год назад
Doesn't the double extractor making both the hatch and the pool early more than make up if you skip early ling speed? Edit: also well done to aqueron for keeping his cool and macroing up
@GrandpaJean
@GrandpaJean Год назад
Yeah I do a double extractor trick version of this that is slightly faster pool. 16 hatch 16 pool with ovie after. same concept though
@influence5310
@influence5310 Год назад
Love this episode!
@enriquegarciacota3914
@enriquegarciacota3914 Год назад
Uthermal showed this Meme build the other day (16 hatch 15 hatch 14 hatch 14 pool, only then overlord). It has 3 idling larvae for a while and it’s stupid greedy but it’s so unusual that people get afraid. And you get 3 queens and 3 hatches fast.
@BigDawgKG
@BigDawgKG Год назад
Your pool is so late how to do you stop the reaper or the adept? You wont have queens or lings
@tigera6
@tigera6 Год назад
@@BigDawgKG According to this game, the Queen popped out only 5-6secs after the Reaper arrive, which is pretty much the normal timing for this map. Its not that late comparing to the normal standard build. Its the 3rd hatches that got delayed is the issue, which is covered by the earlier Queen production and continuous injection.
@enriquegarciacota3914
@enriquegarciacota3914 Год назад
Move the drones away, wait for the queens to pop in, I guess? I’m not an expert on this myself. The trick, I think, is that the 100 mineral of the overlord that you skip make the queens pop around the same time than in a typical hatch (overlord) pool hatch.
@Mizi63
@Mizi63 Год назад
Da hora
@mikkosaarinen3225
@mikkosaarinen3225 Год назад
I gotta say the viewer retention in this video is super good. I've got to ask did you script that or was it just a coincidence? Like if this was accidental you should totally look back to this video on how to do viewer retention. Like do casting as normal but get like timecodes where you do the in-between bits. So they "just end up" right so that you get cut off by something exciting happening 😄 I'm leaning on you having scripted that but wanted to lay it out anyways just because I found it really interesting 😁 Edit. Just finished watching the video and no it wasn't weird at all. That's exactly what you should do. Because it's not like you didn't give any analysis and just tease. In the first one you gave us the setup, second one Lambos bit and some of your own thoughts and then at the end (when we've importantly watched through most of the video 😁) the juicy bits. I'm not a pro director or scripter so I may be off here, but if I had to write a show like this for youtube, that's how I'd lay it out.
@PiGstarcraft
@PiGstarcraft Год назад
I knew the things i wanted to talk about but wasn't sure when I'd squeeze them in, it ended up feeling a bit frantic but it's really nice to hear that actually kept it really engaging for you! Will definitely rewatch this thanks for the feedback mate
@Templarfreak
@Templarfreak Год назад
i think i agree with this sentiment that oddly felt like a weirdly classical sports moment where the casters are talking about some intricacies and then exciting stuff happens like just before or just as they finish up
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