The Gold Headphones! HiFiMan Susvara Review 

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Even used 3.8k USD to 4k USD still probably the best HPs on Earth sound quality wise (not counting 20k+ USD headphone systems).

Agree! Susvara is good but competitive when price is a consideration. It's a luxury item when even compared to he6se v2 or the new Edition XS (A$500 or ￥2500) which are half the price of Susvara but way more than half of the sound quality than Susvara.

@@alexchen8833 Umm, late reply I know!! Think you've got Arya, Ananda and Susvara's in a muddle!! These are 6000 dollars vs your mentioned 500 dollar XS's. Not entirely sure why I just wasted my time typing this pointless reply lol

Picked up a pair for $4k, definitely a good suggestion.

At the moment, I'm using an APOS Audio cable with them.

It might be mental or physical, but I think it is a thinf

I'm going to be doing a review of $800 headphones soon, such as the MrSpeakers Aeon Flow Open and Campfire Audio Cascades. That might interest you.

Currawong Awesome! That’s a great one. Can’t wait! Never heard them, but based on what I’ve read, I would give the notch to Campfire because of the extra bass. I presume Campfire are better for EDM and Rock, while Aeon Flow might be better for acoustics.. Looking forward to see your take in this and form a better opinion on them.

Focal elex is going for 599$. It's got everything your looking for, if you're still looking after 4yrs

The higher-end Stax rigs maybe?

I agree. I have to share the X7II with someone else for reviewing, and he has been busy as heck too. I was just about to see if i could borrow it back, as I pretty much know what I want to say in the video.

They need like 5 WPC to sound good.

I haven't had the Abyss headphones here yet. I really should ask if I can borrow a pair.

Audiovalve Solaris

If you use a single-ended DAC for the Master 9 or HE-9 you lose some gain. That is all.

TheFijianGuy If you don't mind me giving my 2 cents. Well. That is not plataue. But rather, I can say z1r is a shitty tuned headphone. It should not sound the way it does and getting that much love in the community. Utopia wise, awesome bass, but not that great high frequency. It is not as smooth as it should be. Hd800s is good but still bit problem around 6k but much much better than the original hd800. Susvara sounds really good when powered right. He1000v2 is pretty perfect to me. ether/ether flow are pretty well all round too. Instead of calling it plataue, I say it's a matter of shitty tuning versus stupid customers. Forgive me if I am being too harsh on this. But there is a sound that is right /true /correct. There are preference on bass and highs but the mids should be following the target. I do understand the difficulties on making headphones but I really feel that manufacturers can do a lot better than now by just tune the headphones better.

John Yang no problem brother I love hearing others opinions. I actually liked the sony z1r I enjoy it more then the hd800s but that's a matter of preference more so then anything else. The utopia is great, but well can I justify what I speant on it? Probably not.

TheFijianGuy Yeah. I heard many people love z1r. To me in the first seconds it does sound a lot like a closed utopia, which is pretty amazing. However what sony need to do about z1r is on the mids. After 10 seconds, I can clearly hear a 'hhhhaaaa' sound like you place your hand around your ears. I can see people loving bass, there is nothing wrong with it. But sony should do a lot better on this due to the problem in the mid range.

I think dynamic and planar headphones are getting closer to the "ultimate" level of electrostats. But also the DACs available now are far better, so I think overall you can get a much more resolving system than you could a few years ago.

Can you guys recommend a pair of headphones around the 500 dollar range since you seem to really know what you're talking about.

This perfectly illustrates why, unless HiFiMAN finally get serious about QC and build quality/materials, I would never even think about spending anywhere near this type of money for a pair of their headphones.

Yup. Persistent mic problems which I've partially solved in the very latest videos.

The HE-6 edition of the Master 9 (or HE-9) should work fine. I find I notice the treble with the Susvaras more than the Utopias, even if it is toned down a bit compared to the HE1000.

so for Treble heads, you think HE1000v2 is the way to go? i like fast music and i loved HE-6 + sepaker amp. sadly i too had Utopia + DAVE. it was the worst combo. made me stop for almost a year and a half now. i am Shini44 from Head-fi, if you recall me xD Thanks for the fast reply.

i lean toward Susvaras now yet HE1000v2's Treble sound seducing for me as a Treble Head. yet if H1000v2 isn't as fun (dynamics wise) vs Utiopia. then Susvara + HE-9 amp it is right? using Hugo 2 as DAC here. Thanks again bro.

Lone Star Answer to the latter. No hugo 2 cannot directly drive susvara well. But can be a nice dac in the system. Susvara does need a really really good amp to pair with.

My recommendation will be burson conductor v2 btw.

I reckon you did well there.

Both have a very capable treble. The HE1000 V2 is slightly brighter across the same treble frequencies though.

Robert Good question but if i had to guess, and I am guessing but the hugo 2 should be the cleaner listen with greater micro detail but I have to math or facts to base that upon.

Boycott? You sound as if people are being forced to buy them.

Heh. That is true, but the point is that we should pass up on this headphone in my opinion just to notify them that the price is unreasonable. As you say, even though its thought of the be "better at a higher price" in China it should really be brought down to compete with other headphones, it's just a bit unreasonable

with the community outcry at the price tag, i think hifiman already got the message.

You weren't going to buy it anyways

I definitely won't be contributing to Fang's get-rich-quick scheme.

William Ng Well Susvara needs a lot of power to be driven

they were powered by Woo audio WA33, i think that's a powerful enough amp to drive it?

from the interviews i watched on dr. hifiman, he's more of money man than his products

it's pain to see the more hifiman charges their customers, the shitty quality remains the same

it's not a matter of could be better, it HAS to be better as the price for some will be their end of their end game headphones and when the thing starts to break apart in only a few years is a joke and when that happens, the company will be finished in ultra highend segment.

Ye, it doesnt look good

It must cost really cheap to produce that.

In terms of build quality alone Hifiman has ways to go. However, I have seen reviewers who say that they have been using Ananda, Arya etc for a long time without any build quality issues whatsoever. Not to mention, they love the sound quality as well.

No. Try ragnarok to other amps. ragnarok is extremely clear and smooth.

But whatever. You like whatever you want.

Did they make drivers with gold-coated nanometer film though? Not that I don't expect the raw parts cost isn't very small, as it is with any product, but the costs aren't just for manufacturing.

You forget Focal clear , Stax l700/007 and the basic Hd 800, utopia/Hd 800S are extremely overpriced.

@@akshat3516 i heard the clears are indeed a hitter. I wish i can get a listen to those!

@@akshat3516 utopia is the best headphones for me

@@cool28990 Well you can still agree that diminishing returns are quite high right?

Arya too. It competes with those you mentioned and costs less. It even sounds better in some areas than those listed. Their bass is much better than the 800S's and z1r's, from a SQ standpoint, maybe better than even the 009's.

China has a lot of billionaires that spoil their children as well. This is the target market

What would be really hilarious I reckon is if one or another maker of high-end headphones used a snake skin instead of regular leather headpad.

It's far better than making them look good, but uncomfortable. They aren't fashion items, and if you're looking in the mirror when listening to music you're doing it wrong. ;)

That's a great point. Every headphone company should pay a licensing fee to Dan Clark and use his nitinol headband design because nothing is as comfortable as that. I wish I could transplant my Æon headband to my Elex somehow. I'd be in heaven.

I am a fucking Chinese and English is my second language. I have zero problem understanding him 99% of the time.

Might be an accent thing. Just a wild guess here, namely that Robert Bryant is US American. In my experience many Americans are not used to any other accent than their own (living in a bubble). Processing other accents, even if they are native English accents like Australian (like Currawong), Scottish, South African, etc, can be very difficult. More difficult than for non-native speakers like you and me.

@@johnyang799 Shut up thats his opinion. His hearing is different then yours.