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I dont think it was the lack of horror because of which this show didn't live upto the name of its predecessor. I think the way character development was done in hill house and how everyone's emotional build-up is shown is what made people really correlate with the characters. You dont get to connect as much emotionally in this show. That being said the ending is still super emotional
@Gurren D'vongè selfish? How so? Coming to terms that you're gay, especially in a highly homophobic society is really difficult. You really do think that the feelings aren't "real". You think the feelings you're supposed to have WILL come, because they're supposed to, because that's how it's "supposed" to be. Plus, back then in America, if you were a teacher and people knew you were gay you could get fired. She wasn't selfish at all, she was confused and scared. Being in that situation is so hard and really tears you apart - I felt that way and I wasn't even in a homophobic family.
@Gurren D'vongè How was she being selfish? Coming to terms with your sexuality isn't something that can be rushed or controlled. If she was actually selfish, she wouldn't even show remorse but she was clearly upset over it. Don't be a dick.
Dani was terrified of seeing her ex fiance's reflection and Jamie waited her whole life wishing to see Dani's reflection. This story was so beautifully written 😭
I spent the whole night watching it and i feel like crying every moment at how beautiful their love was. It wasnt the main focus we didnt get millions of kiss and all that but I just felt the love they had. The last episode showed the strength of their love and complete turn a horror series into a timeless love tale.
But it wasn’t though. Telling is faster than showing. E.g. reading the synopsis of a movie is faster than watching the whole thing. I’d guess she told the story in 2 hours or so.
I don't understand the Hannan thing, after her death she makes alibis for not having tea or food, but than sits and has a bottle of wine at the bonfire...
@@aaliyahlin3920 not all victims of abuse become abusers. It's a choice. Although i feel sorry for his past he chose the easy path of using other people to save himself. I don't think he's evil, but not good either
Owen’s actor did a phenomenal job. His pain over his mother and Hannah was palpable. Him and Hannah never getting to be together was just infuriating to me.
I UGLY cried so hard when Hanna realized she was dead and had chosen to tuck herself in the memory of first meeting Owen. The love that never truly got to blossom and I found that tragic. Ugh, right in the feels
My theory is that is why she sees those cracks so often: she's likely reliving the last thought that went through her head before she died over and over and they all end in that crack
Isn’t it creepy and weird how they were going to possess the children’s bodies . Like beca and Peter were a couple and floral and Miles are brother and sister . ....
@@Peachess2717 but i think it's still legal in law. but,at first i thought they will possess dani and the chef. didn't expect they will get the kids instead 😂
"The Bly manor" was a different type of horror... it was a sad type of horror... the scariest things sometimes are not the ghosts but losing someone you love... the whole theme of this show was that, everybody lost someone they deeply cared about. The children lost their parents, the uncle lost his lover, the nanny lost her boyfriend, Viola lost her family and Jamie lost her wife... a scary sad cycle of losing something you truly love and slowly losing yourself for it... I CRIED SO MUCH D:
It was certainly different I loved the show it was completely different that hill house like you said it’s sad horror not really a show to scare you but the horror aspect allows the story to go deeper
My boyfriend actually liked this better than Hill House, somehow he thought this was less depressing? Maybe it's because of how HH was drawn out and some people don't like that?
The very first scene where she told Dani she wasn't hungry and left the table had me wondering. Then next couple of times she refused drinks and food, I was like, yeah...ghost! lol
The kid who played Miles is a brilliant young actor! I caught on right away that he was possessed by Peter because his mannerisms matched Peter’s but it was so subtle. All of the actors did a great job!
I just thought he was a psychopath. He killed that bird ( earliest signs of being a psychopath) but got off because his Daddy was swimming in money. Not to mention he was extremely perverted.
@@anjolaxo3875 eh, animal abuse is often not taken seriously, unfortunately. It’s not surprising that he got away with just an expulsion. He probably only got punished at all because it was a pet. He did it intentionally so that Flora wouldn’t have to be alone with the ghosts. Still disturbing behavior, of course. He behaved perverted when he was possessed.
I thought both kids were being possessed by their parents who died before their time and wanted to have more time on earth. That's why they weren't scared of being taken over or sad that their parents were dead.
Same! Before I saw Peter to know he possessed Myles, I kept saying to my mom, “He’s possessed. That isn’t a little boy-that’s a grown man in that boy’s body.” The way he spoke and moved was so off putting-especially when he whispered in Dani’s ear and tucked her hair. It set my radar off immediately. Then when I saw how Peter acted, I knew immediately he was inside Myles!
i also find it interesting that viola was sick for 6 years until she died, which is the same amount of time that dani had until she was completely consumed by viola
Owen told Jamie and Dani that flora was 17 while they were at his restaurant. That would make Dani and Jamies time together about 9 years since floras 8 in the beginning.
Didn’t Dani hear Peter say “it’s you, it’s me, it’s us” to Miles before he took over his body? I thought that was how she knew what to say to Viola at the Lake
@@urbent3147 He's not the only one that missed that. I think because there is a lot going on in that scene some people miss that he says that in front of Dani when she is tied up. She saw the transfer happen so she probably remembered that to save Flora.
I hear a lot of people saying how they don’t know how dani knew to say that. She was literally just tied up in the attic and witness the kids saying it to two ghost. That’s where she figured to give that line a shot. Duh
I always get chills down my spine when I think of two moments: when Peter possessed Rebecca and drowned her he left her to drown alone - she wasn’t tucked away but back in her body just in time to experience her death. And another thing when Viola took Flora and Rebecca wanted to tuck her away one last time to spare her from experiencing death and experiencing the very same death for the second time herself
For me, there was a very strong dimensia theme throughout. - the cook's mother (literal) - the faces vanishing - tucked away into memories When Dani realises she doesn't know how much time she has left and then starts losing herself and declining, all reminds me of the effects of dimensia
Great point! My grandmother had Alzheimers. Whenever we spoke on the phone we would speak about the same thing over and over again, I was just happy to call her.
Wow, that made me profoundly sad. My grandma is dying of Parkinson's/Alzheimer's. She is an amazing person. She's still in there, she just can't get out. Due to covid regulations, I'll probably never see her again. I miss her a lot.
A really interesting thing about Bly Manor as compared to Hill House is that this assortment of characters in Bly Manor Dani, Hannah, Owen, Jamie and the children felt like a real family who got along exceptionally well, yet most of them weren't related, but in Hill House all the main characters were actually related and they were always angry and at odds with each other.
One of dani's eyes also began changing it's colour the more the spirit of the "lady in the lake" started to take over her, also earlier in the series when Ms jessel let peter in, one of her eyes became the shade of his Don't know if anyone else noticed that
The whole spirit thing never leaving bly for so long to the point they aren’t even sane and their faces just fade away slowly is so terrible. This show is so sad and intense
I think it is a reference to Dementia as well. How your memories slowly fade away and in the end, you only see what's in front of you. Like the lady in the lake
@@gayanakaamarasena9236 the season was a huge analogy to dementia, directly up to the mother of Owen to the point you made and to the point when Dani was saying about how she was still there and still felt Jamie and everything but at the same time she wasn't really there and slowly fading away... I can only imagine this is what dementia feels like when you're starting to feel the effect
I don’t know if the Lady of the Lake was killing randomly though. She killed the doctor and vicar in flashbacks because she always hated their treatment. She drowned a child because she thought it was hers. She killed Quint for the same reason she killed her sister, while he was stealing the necklace. And then she attacked Dani for taking a child out of her house. All are related to the miserable parts of her life.
Good theory, but actually no. If you watch it again and look closely, and was even mentioned in the flahback episode, all those she killed, were physically and literally in the way/path of her nightly visits inside the Manor. So her routine goes from the Lake, to the front drive, then the front entrance, up the stairs taking the left flight after, then turning left again walking down the hall to the room in the west wing where she would always visit, and taking the same path returning to the lake. When she killed the Vicar he was standing between the bed in the west wing and the door to that room, the Priest on the stairs, Peter in the hallway from the stairs to the west wing and Dani on the front drive. They were all killed along Viola's path she routinely takes on her nightly visits. So @Victoria Perez, you're actually technically right too hehe
@@jennocontreras623 But why did she never do anything to Miles’s and Flora’s parents, because they were in her bed, I guess maybe they weren’t technically in her path they were just at the final destination, but she did take the child in the bed as well so that’s why I think the person you’re commenting to is actually somewhat right as well with their theory.
@@frankmendez7142 there’s multiple theories to this: 1. the acorn talisman unknowingly protected them and viola never took/saw the parents 2. since it was a summer home, they didnt have much of a chance to be in her way 3. since the parents were often separated and having an affair perhaps the ghost didn’t enter? this one’s kinda confusing as a theory 4. they were adults in the bed and not children idk make your own conclusions but reading fan theories most of them have come to these answers :/
Has someone else noticed that each time we see Hannah lights the candles she lights +1?. At first only the parents were dead but there were 3 candles. After Owen's mother passed away there were 5. She kept saying that she lights for the dead, probably the last candle was for her..
Though I much prefer women, I'd have to say The Notebook's love story was the most beautiful to me. It helped that it was nearly love at first sight for me with Rachel McAdams in that movie...
The “perfectly splendid” thing: that was just a way of showing how children mimic what/who they like or admire. At first I thought Flora had hurt Rebecca and some think when she talked like that, Rebecca took over her, but I think it was mostly merely mimicry.
at first it seemed like it was to show how she liked her a lot then they used it as a twist to show how Rebecca took over her body. Remember she was tucking her away a whole lot, so much that it was becoming noticeable to everyone and flora was getting really sick of it and every time she tucked her away she was using her body. But she also did say it on her own because she liked Rebecca so much. So you don’t know when it’s flora and when it’s Rebecca. That was a pretty fun part of the show not realizing it was Peter using miles or Rebecca using flora and then finding out later.
I think it was showing us Rebecca and Peter really didn’t need the kids’ consent to take over temporarily because they’d made an impression on them. Whereas Rebecca was gentle, though, you’re right- it was harder to know when Flora was possessed from when she wasn’t (until she confronted Rebecca). But Miles’ possession was clear, kinda like Peter had his own kind of orbit he pulled Miles into when he realized the lady killed him. I just don’t know why he made Miles jump from the tree at the boarding school though.
People say they don’t like the memory jumps but I actually didn’t mind it. They were meant to be jarring and disorienting to show time not as linear but a string of moments that bled to the one consciously tucked into them. I thought this whole season was poetic. Love can be wrong (obsession, possession, selfish, consuming, unrequited/one sided), right (requited, thoughtful, selfless, self-sacrificing, empathetic), sad (grief, heartbreaking, abandonment), happy (expressive, opportunistic), and scary/haunting (ghosts you bring with you in the form of baggage, allowing yourself love when it’s too late, guilt, regret, fear, etc).
Right, I actually liked the memory jumps cause it put us in the mind of the characters as it happened. I like confusing intriguing things like that in movies lol.
And Peter tasted the food off the spoon too. I was so mad, I yelled at the TV, “So you were flirting with Owen too? You clearly had a taste from the spoon too!” 😤😡
So why didn’t Rebecca just lure a man there so Peter could possess him? Why would you want to be in the bodies of two children (who are siblings) as a couple. How weird and nasty.
Because the person has to consent to them being possessed or else the spirit gets forcefully ejected after a certain amount of time. That's why Peter spent the entire show manipulating Miles into letting him take over. How many full grown men do you think is gonna consent to being possessed by a ghost? Also, the kids are rich. They would've been set for life afterwards. Kind of a perfect situation for him aside from the incest which wouldn't really matter to him anyway unless they planned to have kids.
@@EX7Sonic so manipulate the guy you bring. Ive seen many a man do stupid things for money, power and sex... Why manipulate a child? I get it's easier but its also sick. I felt like I just repeated myself...
As an avid reader of gothic literature and gothic dramas (it's one of my favorite genres), I find Bly Manor really amazing. Its gorgeous writing and layered characters made me cry. *Spoiler Alert:* That one episode where we discovered Viola Lloyd's and Bly Manor's back story, it genuinely broke my heart. "She would sleep, she would wake, she would walk" that turned into "she would sleep, she would wake, she would walk and she would forget and forget and forget and forget". It was so heartbreaking and brilliant. That whole episode was beautiful and I don't understand why critics hate it so much (it might seem inconsistent as it kind of sprung out of nowhere and we have no idea how anybody got to uncover that piece of information). But it wasn't repetitive at all. Also, Hannah's character was so, so sad. We revisit Nell's theory of "time being like confetti and not a line" when she sees that crack. Oh my God, that was amazing. And dear lord, those cuts and transitions into next scenes are out of the world. I do agree that Hill House had set the mark for Horror as a genre by literally reinventing it but Bly Manor provides such a poignant and poetic perspective of Horror and Gothic Fiction and of stories about love and loss and what truly haunts people.
@@adriana-xb1df Wuthering Heights, Northanger Abbey, House of Salt and Sorrows, The Dark Descent of Elizabeth Frankenstein, My Dark Vanessa, Stalking Jack The Ripper, Rebecca. And for lighter tones try Lovely War by Julie Berry, The Book Thief by Markus Zusak, Fountains of Silence by Ruta Sepetys, I Wish You All the Best by Mason Denver, My Sister The Serial Killer, Ten Thousand Doors of January. Pick any. You won't be disappointed, I promise. Ps. I'm sorry. I go batshit crazy when people as me for Book recs...💚
@@DaalMakhani I remember we read some gothic romance in high school but haven't touched that genre since. But I really enjoyed it in this series and especially the black and white episode! So good!! People hate it?? Thanks for the recs, will see if I can read some. I'm looking forward to rebecca in a few days on netflix. I watched the old movie awhile ago. Manderly...
My presumption was that Dani told Jamie the story. When Flora was coloring over the gravestones with the crayons and paper she stops at Viola's stone and tells Dani "you haven't seen it with your own eyes, have you?" In reference to her artwork -- foreshadowing that Dani would see Viola's story through her own eyes. So when Dani was knocked out for a hot second, this would have been when she was tucked away in Viola's memory.
The director of the series was poetic and consistent with his treatment of "ghosts" in both the seasons of the show. While in the first season, "ghosts" were shown to be our own fear, regret, denial or anger, in the second season the "ghosts" were largely our grief. The overbearing grief that swallows us, the grief we don't get over of. Dani's grief of losing her fiancé was the bespectacled ghost that haunted her, Viola's grief of having lost all her jewels, silk and her family haunted her even beyond her death, Hannah's grief of losing her life and the consequent denial of it, Henry's ghost had been his own alter ego that manifested after grieving the death of his brother and his wife.
It’s so odd how Rebecca & Peter planned to take over Miles and Flora’s bodies so that they can be together again. Flora and Miles are siblings, meaning if they continued a romantic relationship in the children’s bodies, they were comfortable with incest. Also, the nature of Peter and Rebeccas relationship was already mature (sexual) which is also sick because they were going to continue that romantically mature relationship AS CHILDREN 😩 super weird. Obviously this didn’t happen, but it didn’t seem like they even cared about that part smh. Poor kids.
Half siblings* Edited: Its still incest but the truth is that they are half siblings which is an important detail in the storyline. I’m not justifying it or trying to make it sound like what they were going to do is ok. Its just a small detail that to me is importsnt to note. Thats all.
@@andrea-th5sg yes but it’s still incest. They are still closely related. Although they have different fathers, their different father are siblings themselves(brothers)...
@Nightmare Simulation Maybe. But, once it was all over, he may have been lonely again. My heart just stopped when I saw her carry the child into the lake. I was like Nooooo, not the child 😞
But that kid actually later helped Flora in placing the dolls perfectly. For eg. When Lady of Lake would be coming over for a night stroll or when Dani wasn't in her room and such information
Seeing Dani go from CONSTANTLY struggling and having breakdowns to FINALLY having that safe feeling with someone and trying to rebuild her life BUT THEN she decides to sacrifice herself for those 2 annoying ass kids that doesn't even remember them and the good things that happened in the manor I AM FEELING NOTHING BUT PAIN edit: I know the kids were being possessed but it got a point where they were being possessed ALL THE TIME that's why I said they were annoying. I do, of course, acknowledge the fact they were sweet and innocent 🥺
Fr tho! Dani would agree to what Flora had said her to do. But when Dani was taking Flora with her to leave, she decided to be all whiny...which made me pissed off. 😐😩
@@psyduck1208 Shes a kid, she didnt want to leave without her brother. Besides, Dani was about to be killed by the lady of the lake, but Flora jumped onto the bed and saved her life.
In my opinion the children's "annoying" behavior was from when they were being possessed throughout the season. The actual children themselves were quite sweet and protected Dani a ton!!! (Or tried their best to anyway). Flora tried so hard to get her to stay in bed all night, for example. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Dani did say in the beginning that as a teacher she grows to love the kids, even the bad ones. I think it makes sense considering she did not know exactly what she signed up for when she let Viola in, it just seemed right at the time.
@@myloriv I didn't get that. As a bi man that never occurred to me. I simply took it that she wasn't ready for a life of settling down. I don't think sexuality had much if anything to do with it.
Dani's plot armor in episode 8 is superman level. So the ghost chokes her all the way up the stairs for several minutes and she doesn't die? Every other victim died in seconds why not Dani?
@@bianka3686 I assumed the ghost was snapping their necks cos of how fast they died. But somehow Dani's titanium neck could withstand that neckbreaking grip for minutes, up the stairs, through several rooms.🤣
I noticed that she snapped their necks once she arrived at the bed. She dragged Peter into the room alive but he came out dead. The other bodies were already dead as she approached the lake. So I believe if Flora hadn’t gotten on the bed, Viola would’ve seen an empty bed and then snapped Dani’s neck and drag her to the lake. That’s just my theory.
I think maybe with victims like the doctor and Henry, they were actively in her way/trying to prevent her from completing her path so she killed them immediately so she could return to her path. But Dani was only unfortunately in her path so the lady was dragging her kind of subconsciously, but eventually she would have died if Flora did swap with her
First season made sense but this shit is all over the place. Just give me a good horror story no flashbacks and no jumping timelines for next season. More scary less mystery.
The whole dream hoping thing is kinda glazed over even in the show. I think it’s best to take it at face value- people that are stuck in purgatory at the manor all have the ability to dream hop. Because they are stuck in their own minds all alone they can Only see old memories and cannot create new ones. As time goes on they are forgotten and lose the ability to dream hop once forgotten I’m assuming
Holy shit. It didn’t click with me that the end scene with Jamie in the hotel room, with the hand on her shoulder, it could be Dani tucking Jamie away in a memory of them. 🥺🥺🥺🥺🥺🥺
That's what I was thinking. I noticed that Jamie's hair had turned from gray back to brown as well so she either died and would be reunited with Dani or she was "tucked away".
Dani and Jaime spent 13 happy and loving years together before the lady of the lake completely took over. In the last ep, Jaime mentioned the civil union which was only legalized in Vermont in 2000, which is 13 years from 1987. To think that they had all those years together 😭❤️
I disliked Viola so much! Such a selfish, stubborn character which sucks cause she has the most power. As for the series, at first I was so scared, but by the end of it I was crying, with my guard completely gone. It was definitely a good series. The only complaint I would have is the lack of depth to Violas character. I think there was a lot more potential there to account for her power while alive and dead. For example, the depth of Peter‘s character was done so well even with the dream hopping (you still didn’t like him but you knew why). So although Viola’s story was told in a linear way and took a full episode, it didn’t feel enough, especially since she was the big boss of the show.
well if you were slowly dying from an illness and was not able to hold your husband and child all while seeing your sister starting to take away your husband you would probably be a lot worse than selfish and stubborn
I dunno.... suffering from an illness for years. Not being able to enjoy life and be close to her husband and daughter. On top of that seeing her husband and sister start an affair. I would be selfish and stubborn too
@@serhanderyahan8804 Exactly!! Because, before she was sick she loved her sister dearly, they even sleep in the same bed before she met her husband.. her sister was the one who became a glutton and selfish.
Anyone still on the fence after finishing this season I completely recommend watching a second time, it’s SO much better the second viewing and everything makes sense.
Don't think I can stomach watch what happened to Rebecca a second time tbh so I'm good. I definitely liked haunting of hills house better I felt like it was more horror focused and like flora said in the end this felt more like a bunch of twisted love stories gone wrong . Left me more uncomfortable many of time rather then scared .
During the tale of Viola it is mentioned that she clung to life for so long, that death itself had come to take her so many times without claiming her that death no longer had the desire to come at all, which is what allows the souls of those that die there to stay in the gravity well.
I would have loved if the ending would have been just everyone leaving and when ”Flora” and the lady starts to talk, flora says ”perfectly splended” in the end, that eould have wraped the while story in a simple way.
Yes but I think the first one who said "perfectly splendid" was Rebecca, so I am saying that during the time when she kept saying it, she was possessed by Rebecca..
Something that I dont understand about this season. How did Charlotte and her husband not know about Violas ghost? After all, it was their bedroom she wandered too every time she woke up. How did they never see her? How did they avoid being killed by her after living there all those years? Didnt Henry mention that he and his brother grew up in that house? How did neither of them know about a major, serial killing, ghost that inhabited a home they spent a large bit of their life in?
i feel like the kids were the only ones who saw the ghosts and the ghosts made themselves visible when they wanted. but you are right they never really explained this
I believe it was because violas pattern was always 6 years...being killed in the 6th year of illness, and then sleeping for 6 years until the opened trunk and then another 6 when the parents died. That’s why floras memory hopping was always when she was 5.
I dont really understand how the uncle was dream hopping if he was not at the manner. Did he know what was going on the whole time? Was he fighting with his self the whole time?
@@leveluproberts6496 The uncle wasn't really dream hopping. He was having traumatic flashbacks. Notice how every time he does it, and sees his 'alter-ego', he's drunk. It's his mind's way of trying to cope with the trauma, grief, and guilt he feels over the deaths of his brother and sister-in-law.
The writing of both seasons were perfectly splendid. You have to fully be willing to pay attention to understand & catch all the clues/hidden messages. It's beautiful to watch. I loved it!!!
Was I the only one that figured out Jamie was the narrator really early on? Like she said at the very beginning of the first episode, "this is not my story, its of a friend" and then her and Owen share a glance and since she's not a black woman and she sounded northern English, who else could she have been? Also the uncle says he is going to take them to America after they leave Bly, so isn't just as likely that they were in fact English, its just that Flora was raised from 8 years old in America, and picked up the accent that way? I mean, since both Owen and Jamie have English accents. Also picked up real early on Hannah being a ghost. She never ate and its commented on a bit during the episodes. She says she hasn't been sleeping and she's always a bit distracted and then the biggest clue comes at Owen's Mum's funeral, when she says to Dani, "funerals are for the living"
No. If the case were the countries were switched were true then the whole bit between Peter and Rebecca wouldn't make sense with the "English care about class and Americans care about money" to justify their happiness if he steals.
I ALMOST got sad about Hannah and Owen never being together and then I realized they were. In a weird way. Their love for each other was never sexual. It was a spiritual and emotional connection. One that they were able to hone over the 3+ years they worked together and confided in each other. That's how her memory of him gave her the strength to fight back in the end and help save her friends and the children. And Owen's memory of Hannah enabled him to leave the town he could've easily gotten stuck in an succeed at his dream. So ultimately they were together, just not in the way we're used to seeing on TV.
I got so excited when I spotted Hill House references...like “the forever home” and the phrase “the strangest dream”...so cool how they interconnected...
Another thing I’d like to point out is that when lady of the lake was taking Flora with her, Rebecca was right behind her saying that Flora wouldn’t feel a thing because she would tuck her away in a memory so she could bear it for her. 😔
I have two theories about the last scene: 1. I think the last scene with Dani's hand on Jamie's shoulder shows that Dani is still with her and that she's trying her best to "tuck away" Jamie. In some scenes of Miles and Pete, especially in the part where Dani found out about Pete and Rebecca's ghosts, it is seen that before possessing Miles, without getting his consent, Pete puts his hand on Miles' shoulder. We can remember that Jamie tried to give Dani her consent to possess her or tuck her away in their last scene together in the lake, but Dani cannot do it because of how much she loves Jamie. 2. Or maybe, the last scene of Dani's hand on Jamie's shoulder shows the relevance of incorporating the story of Dani's dead fiancé. We can see that the first time Dani saw her fiancé's ghost is through a mirror with her dead fiancé's hand on her shoulder. Maybe this means somehow, Jamie blames herself for what happened and Dani doesn't want Jamie to feel that exact same way she felt about the death of her ex fiancé, that's why she never showed herself to Jamie but she also made the decision to never leave her and be by her side until they meet each other again in another world.
I have a theory: Dani being forgotten by the kids is a reflection of Viola who was denied being a mother to her daughter. Dani was likely struggling between her homosexuality and her desire for motherhood, which motivated her to become a nanny, a way to adopt kids. The two sisters had a good relationship at the start but it was destroyed by Viola’s sickness, and even after taking her place Perdita was also denied motherhood. So in a way Dani was like Viola, which is why she accepted her invitation to possess her. But Dani was also different, and I think this repaired Viola to some extent. The Dani&Jamie couple was like the sisters but instead of betraying each other, they loved each other until the end. Through her possession Dani became sick like Viola, this time mentally, yet again a living dead. But Jamie loved her as much if not more. They lived for each other, in the present, rather than seeking immortality through legacy, it being their children, their domain (Bly Manor) or their riches. I think when Viola finally made Dani nearly strangle Jamie, she stopped short of it on purpose. She was saying: prove it. And Dani proved it. And Viola was finally, gladly defeated. In parallel there is also a tale of denied fatherhood and brothers who betrayed each other. The older brother became possessed by work duties and absent. Like Perdita, the younger brother became the illegitimate lover, but unlike her, he did get a daughter, though it turns into a torture as well, as like Viola he’s not allowed to be close to her. I was afraid he would just get killed because ‘morality’. But the show did not disappoint, in the end he managed to overcome his guilt and turns out to be a lovely uncle/father. It’s an interesting subversion and role reversal. In the end the women sacrifice themselves like warriors, and a man raises the children. But it’s not satirical, within the context it makes sense that his unavowed desire was fatherhood, and he’s so touchingly grateful.
It’s interesting that I didn’t initially notice Miles at Flora’s wedding, until they showed him as a boy. He always was silent, alone, and in the background. You kind of wonder if he is still alive, considering that Miles dies at the end of the actual Turn of the Screw story.
@@victoriaperez7236 You know when they were in attic, and Rebecca didn't get into Floras body, instead she told Flora and Dani to run away from the house, and she added that it's too late for Miles (meaning Peter already took his body, and he went outside with Hannah etc). Hope I helped you a bit :p
I agree, it would make sense because flora knew of the house as somewhere she uses to spend the summer with her parents. It wouldn’t be odd if that was a place she chose to get married.
I thought that too but at the end the older version of Flora didn’t know about Bly Manor so why would they go back? Also one wedding guest said “if I were to fly there” like they weren’t already there so I don’t think so lol :))
@@Sortofmac I'm pretty sure they were saying if you were to fly to ENGLAND there would be no Bly Manor, which indicates she changed details of the location and name of the place. Its still entirely possible that the wedding is at the "vacation home" that flora and miles grew up in.
I've always said that Romance stories are far scarier than horror, and this season is a perfect example. Like, comparing the Notebook to Friday the 13th. It is FAR more likely that my wife will slowly fade from dementia than we'll get diced up by an immortal psychopath. Real life can be far more scary than any ghoul.
It bothers me that we never found out exactly how the childrens parents died. I know they went away to India to save their marriage but it's never explained HOW they died. Maybe it did and I missed it idk
Amazing analysis as always! One thing - I thought Dani was still tied up / conscious when the kids say “it’s you, it’s me, it’s us” to Peter/Rebecca, which (partly) explains her decision to say that to the lady in the lake (so it didn’t completely come out of left field).
I actually thought the beginning was quite interesting and a bit scary, mostly because of Dani's ex that she would see in reflections! Then the middle part was more boring and confusing to me, as we were getting the backstory of several characters and character developments but without the connection to each other, and then in the end it got really interesting and heartbreaking when it all was tied together and it made sense. When I was halfway through the season I was beginning to regret spending so much time on this show, but then at the end I was happy that I watched it all because the ending was so good!
Anyone else feel like this is not just a "gothic romance" but a pshycological thriller? I mean i feel like their is a lot of mental health stuff. And its slightly triggering to me. There has to be a point why the cook talks about his grandmother dying from dementia. And the conversation he was having to hannah about it. And talking about memories fading. And transcendence. I feel like this is what happens to people with ptsd... which is what the nanny seemed to have. And if you allow something to take over and you loose youself, you can hurt someone. Your loved one. So she killed herself instead. Thats honestly what i see behind the romance. There was just so much grief and depression and anxiety and memory loss...
It's an allegory for dementia, just like how Hill House is an allegory for grief. I work with geriatric patients a lot and it was just so obvious for me.
The biggest shock for me is the kids forgetting all of this happened. They weren’t even that young. These events would be embedded in my head forever 😂
Maybe they experienced trauma and their brain pushed the memories away to keep their sanity. That's what happens to a lot of people that experience trauma at an early age.
Makes me wonder if something similar happened to them like what happened to the ghosts. Perhaps being away from the house made them lose their memories of it. I mean bly was a weird place to say the least. They did say time washes away things, and maybe it indeed washed away their memories.
Did anyone get hurt by the lady of the lake ghost when the children’s parents were still alive? I felt like that period was “during the good days” montage but that creates a plot hole to the persistence of the ghosts throughout all those years. The parents would have been killed/attacked during that period.
The lady might not be walking every night. Over the 200?ish years since she started walking its shown shes only killed 4 people that were aware of. I feel her walks arnt always frequent. Like the night they played hide and seek. The door was under the dresser so she didnt come out that night.
Grief is very central to this season of the show. Grief is their ghost and it is what haunts the living and even the dead(Viola grieving over jewels, silk and her daughter). Grief thrives on memories, and when grieving one often finds themselves recounting memories we hold onto dearly or the ones that had changed something fundamental in us. So the idea of "tucking away into memories" is quite poetically significant. When tucked away into a memory, the memory becomes a ghost and also saves us from the larger looming one- the grief.
anyone wondering why hannah was able to touch things in the 5th episode peter was able to pick the doll up after he died it phased through his hand when he realized he was dead hannah was in denial of her death until the 7th episode which is why she was still able to touch things until then.
I liked it, lol u know when u hear those ghost stories or paranormal stories of spirits moving and touching things, kinda reminds me of that. If it wasn’t with that intent I like that it lowkey unconsciously was.
Is'nt it a bit weird that the Lady in the Lake walked every night to the master bedroom, but never seem to have come across Charlotte and Dominic sleeping there when they were alive? xD
@@poisonharley She was released in the 1600 something. Charlotte and Dominic lived there around 1985 or something. I am pretty sure she was already released at that time xD Her walk from the lake was to that bedroom.
@@abhivardhan5619 Well even if that's how it is that would be odd that they at no point woke up at the wrong timing to spot her at their bed. Well, technically the whole concept is a bit unrealistic that almost no one ever sees her, she is fully visible and she walks through the house and garden pretty often. During Danielle's short stay she almost got in her way 3 times and and on the 4th she even got caught by her. How the rest of the family didnt see her is odd xD
It took me 4 episodes to get over the fact that this wasn’t Hill House. But once I got past it. I was immersed. This is a different type of horror. It’s different. Totally, it’s own thing. It’s definitely not Hill House, but it’s... perfectly splendid ;)
for all those wondering why the kids lost their memories at the end and why jamie struggles to remember her own past and has memories of the lady of the lake: the show tells us that when you become one with a ghost you lose your memories eventually and become that ghost as seen with dani and lake lady but the kids merged with peter and rebecca who are no longer ghosts and just dead so when they lost their former memories they were able to make new ones In terms of jamie when she married dani she technically became one with a part ghost . Hence she was also slowly losing her memories and gaining memories of the lake lady this also explains why she has the lady of the lakes memories as you can see in the beginning when she said the story belonged to someone she once knew . You can also see this in her behaviour at the end also when she kept repeating the same actions even after decades everyday waiting for dani to come back and not knowing why she was doing it just like how the lake lady did while waiting for her daughter to come back to her
@@KellyJayeIam Rebecca had temporarily possessed Flora previously though. All those times Flora sleepwalked or would wake up and not know where she was or how she got there, all the times she was 'tucked away' in memories, those were times Rebecca was possessing her. We saw rebecca's ghost touch Flora's forehead several times- that was how she took over Flora's body. It was only that final time that Rebecca didn't jump into her.
That little girl freaked me out lol 😂... I would’ve left in less than a week. The boy looked like he’ll kill you in your sleep and the little girl was creeping me out.
Both seasons have ended in me sobbing and my husband holding me while he laughs uncontrollably 😒 You can’t help but to fall in love with the characters and the storyline was so beautifully written. AM I THE ONLY ONE?? Please fellow criers tell me I’m not alone 😂
I skipped 4 episoded. The dead nanny part was a bit too much! But The Viola story was heartbreaking and everything els fell so much better in place. I cried so hard at the end. And I cried again after seeing all of this 😂
@@bandamani The whole nanny story was draining for me and I understood it right away! I found the story of the sick mother and everything els more interesting!
@@beautybydais that's understandable, i just personally never skip things because i don't wanna miss any information and i wanna make sure i take everything in as the creator intended me to. i remembered getting very lost at parts of hill house but i just had to commit and then it would all come together lol
I'm seriously wondering if I misunderstood something because this is the second time that I've seen one of these reviews make mention that Dani and Jamie were together for only about five to six years. However, they go to visit Owen and he tells them that the children and Henry came to visit and that Flora brought her boyfriend. When Jamie says she's twelve, he points out that she's seventeen by that point, which makes it approximately ten years after they left the house. Or did I just get that completely wrong. I'm just wondering.
Jamie mentions that they’re union is officially civil before the bathtub scene which occurred around 2000 in Vermont. If the beginning of the story began in 1987 that means they had around 13 years together.
@@tarag2705 doesn't make sense, the beginning scene is set in 2007, which is just 7 years from 2000 but the transformation in Jamie's age and physical features doesn't look like only 7 years have passed.
How come no one is taking about Peters childhood?! He was abused by his own father and that gave me more of an understanding as to why he was the way he was.
but then he grew up to be the same way. In death he was free from being shaken down by his parents and all he had to do was accept sharing a body with his lover until they could figure something out but nooooo he just had to take her life too
This series lingers, I keep dwelling on the characters and story. Even woke up in the middle of the night, feeling full of dread. BTW “the lung” is a euphemism for tuberculosis. Dani knew/ suspected she had to say "Its you, its me, its us" because she saw Peter and Miles in the attic.
Tuberculosis would make sense however her husband and sister were around her frequently and never caught it. They were not too careful while around her either. For this reason, I assumed Viola had cancer.
Alex Bond Tuberculosis is a bacterial infection of the lungs. When they show people coughing up blood and the setting is before the 20th century, it’s usually tuberculosis.
@@swatchdog9094 the dream hopping is one of theories of what happens after we die. This show SPLENDIDLY showed that maybe when we die we stuck in the memory we love or fear or regret or actually remember. In Haunting of Hill House Nell told that "memories are like rain and snow and the rest are confetti" So that's what the director Mike Flanagan is telling us about its just a different perspective of Life after Death.
Yes, this was obvious from the start. The first time she said she wasn't eating, it was clear to me she was a ghost. I was wrong in thinking at the time however that they were all ghosts.
I personally think Dani wasnt in the last scene with Jamie. I merely think it was her imagination, just like how Hugh Crain always saw Olivia around him after she died in Hill house.
The memory jumping didnt bother me at all🤷♂️ surprised it confused so many people. Also i finished the show a few hours ago and i still cant stop occasionally crying😥. After the haunting of hill house I knew this was going to be something special and it didnt disappoint at all.
I noticed how all of the ghosts in the show can move around freely except 1. *The Doctor:* Seen in the background of many scenes. One time he was even outside along the treeline in the night in one scene. *The little boy:* Playing with the dollhouse in Flora's room and running into the basement. Like other ghosts I haven't named, he's seen hiding around in the background. After Flora gives him a face and a story, he repays the favor by moving the dolls to represent everyone moving around in the house in an attempt to keep everyone away from Viola. *Rebecca and Peter:* Aside from the times they are stuck in a memory loop, they are all over the place. *Hannah:* Stuck in memory loops, but doesn't realize it. Doesnt know she's dead and shows herself to everyone and no one knows she's actually a ghost except for Peter. Still crazy to think she's been a ghost since the first episode. *Dani's ex:* Not actually a ghost. His "ghost" is just Dani's guilt manifesting into him for unintentionally causing his death. *Viola:* Trapped in an endless loop of walking to the the bedroom to find her daughter. Killing anyone in her path. Then there's Perdita's ghost. *Perdita:* Strangely enough, trapped in the attic and doesn't appear to be able to move around freely like other ghosts. I wonder why that is? Also I burst out laughing when Flora told her to sush. I assume we don't see her memory loops because we have our current characters for that, assuming she has any loops at all.
I noticed that as well. And the narrator said that the plague doctor was Viola’s first victim. Perhaps it didn’t count since she wasn’t in the lake yet?
@@teshalis yeah I agree I think her first victim was her sister but I noticed that in the show the narrator said the first victim was the doctor for some odd reason
this show was so good and one of the best/creepiest parts is that there are so many things in the background of certain scenes that any average viewer who isn’t familiar with mike flanagan would easily miss. i also cried in the end it really hits close to home. please watch this it’s too good 😭
From HoHH I was trained to look in the background of the scenes for hidden ghosts, so of course I was scared seeing all these lurking ghosts in BM...but in the end I just felt bad for them knowing they weren’t malicious and were trapped because they died at the hand of Viola 😢
i suffer from dissociative episodes because of PTSD and the conversation Dani and Jamie have in the bathroom, it just made bawl my eyes out, cause that's how it feels, I guess that until that point, I hadn't realized how much this series was about trauma, and love and memories. idk, just felt like sharing
Do you think it's possible that there was no lady of the lake - that this was the part Jamie made up for entertainment value- and that Dani was struggling with mental health?
