Yeah, this would help me. I’m still not sure how to do this. Hold L or R right before grabbing ledge to buffer, and that’s it? Or does it still require a frame perfect (or close to it) tech input to do this? His frame data list made it look like you need another input when your invincibility runs out
For anyone unsure how to do the inputs for the tech, here's a breakdown: Inputs: * Grab Ledge while disabling rolling with L/R (there's several different ways and situations that can let you disable ledge roll) * (Any situation) --> Grab Ledge --> Input Analog L/R (During 'Cliff Catch') --> Roll is diabled * (in Air) Light Shield --> Grab Ledge --> Roll is disabled * Light Shield --> Pushed off ledge from attack (Keep Holding Light shield) --> Roll is disabled * PC Walk --> Input Analog L/R (During 'Cliff Catch') --> Roll is disabled * Wave Dash to Ledge (Keep L/R analog held down, don't release) --> Roll is disabled * Press Digital L/R right before you are hit to trigger tech window * Hit --> Tech * Hit --> Tech --> Attack (Bair/Shine/Whatever) * Not Hit --> No Tech, nothing happens * Not Hit --> No Tech --> Attack Input --> Forced Ledge Attack As Hax describes in the video, while you are in the animation of grabbing the ledge (called 'CliffCatch' in video) you can press down on L/R (light shield/analog input). What's worth noting here is once the ledge grab animation has finished and you've entered 'CliffWait', you are free to press in L/R (whatever shoulder button you pressed) and have nothing happen. It is impossible to trigger a ledge roll by changing the analog/digital value of the shoulder button. The only way to trigger a ledge roll with the shoulder button that you "locked out" is to release it and press in again. This is why when you press down fully on the shoulder button, you will not roll and only trigger a tech if you are hit (if you aren't hit, nothing happens). I recommend loading up melee and getting comfortable with grabbing the ledge and holding down L/R slightly to lock out ledge rolling. Wave Dashing to ledge is a convenient way to grab the ledge while already having a shoulder button pressed down (just make sure you are holding analog and not digital after performing the wave dash). From here it's standard teching behavior, simply fully press in L/R (whichever shoulder button you've locked out of ledge rolling) right before you are about to be hit and the tech will happen. As Hax mentions in the video you can input a directional attack after the tech input by using the same method to lock out L/R with the analog stick and inputting either A/B after attempting to tech the attack.
These seems huge vs marth in general and good for falcon edge guarding spacies. He now has another good way to deny ledge from spacies which is the hardest option for him to cover without overextending
The depth of melee is insane. Imagine in 20XXX when everyone uses all the under utilized tech Hax explores. There’s still so much more melee to be played my dude.
Not necessarily, to input an air dodge you need to hard press L or R (this is called digital press), but he mentions analog L/R which basically means "slighty pressing", this does not input an air dodge
Lol doesn’t tell you how to do it, you gotta grab ledge while holding lightshield. Then you press the other trigger while holding lightshield, this allows you to tech without forcing you to roll onto ledge. To roll back on ledge, just let go of lightshield
