The Kingkiller Chronicle | Ambrose - The King Kvothe Kills? 

goddam, how i wish the third book is released during the quarantine :(

that theory regarding the butterflies is crazy bro, the fact people picked up on that and made that connection blows my mind. god why can't the third book just come out already

Kvothe also renames his sword "caesura", which is a term from temerant's eld vintic poetry and describes "a break in the line". Given Pat's foreshadowing and Kvothe's unnatural knack for naming things, it does seem to imply that the king killed wll be the king of vintas.

Ok @strictly Fantasy, as I watched this video (long overdue for me to watch theories about KKC as I just started today and have read all the books almost a dozen times over the last 10 years), I got crazy goosebumps when you mentioned how the Ctheah killed 11 butterflies and how the Jakis line is 12th for the throne. I did not catch that while reading the books, and that seems INCREDIBLY solid. Well fucking done!

I wanted to add this as I've dedicated today to exploring and understanding the world of Kvothe, and all the hidden clues given to us. To support the argument that the falling of the wings of the butterflies represents death, if you turn to page 641 of The Wise Man's Fear, Kvothe is able to trap Felurian, and realises he could kill her. He says: "I knew then that I could kill her. It would be as simple as throwing a sheet of paper to the wind. But the though sickened me, and I was reminded of ripping the wings from a butterfly." I think that's a pretty major hint!

3:47, that’s my painting! Haha, awesome surprise to see it there. I really enjoy your content. Thanks for the post👍🏼

I completely agree with you. Ambrose being the king and his death would be extremely satisfying considering what an awful person he is, despite whatever other catastrophes occur. So far reading the books, Kvothe's world is full of injustice, and I'm craving a straightforward 'good triumphs evil' moment.

WHY DID I NEVER THINK OF THIS I'VE READ BOTH THE BOOKS LIKE 7 TIMES!!!!

Much like the similarities between Lochees, Lackless, and Lockless...is it strange that Iax and Jax are close to Jakis?

Is it possible that he kills Simon? Simon is also in the line of the aturan throne. Plus he is also a poet. Just food for thought.

Everytime I watch one of these theories of yours I get motivated to re read the books again. Man, I hope the next one makes an appearance soon. What a great series!

I need to read the books to be sure, but from what I've seen so far... I think Ambrose is more likely to have framed Kvothe for the murder of the king... that Ambrose actually had slain. Probably his own father. Kind of a final 'gotcha' between bitter rivals. One Kvothe would be pretty hard pressed to one up... or get away from.

I think Ambrose is a good fit and strong theory for who the King is. I lean more towards Sim though. Kote generally speaks of Sim in the past tense, as though he’s no longer living. Sim is also a poet. The king is referred to as the Penitent king, which you neglect in your video but its an important point. Sim’s brother went the religious route, and joined the church. I also believe that Sim comments on the fact that Ambrose won’t shut up about being 13 steps from the throne because Sim is actually closer to the throne, and just more humble about it. We get a hint about that when Sim and Kvothe argue over the Duke of Gibea. Sim comments on how close his family lands are to that. Honestly it makes me wonder if his family are in charge of the duchy currently, and they just moved the castle to get away from the horror of it. Those are some tinfoil theories of course. Loved the video I look forward to more.

Hey man, just watched all your Kingkiller videos. Great content, thank you very much!

ooh, good catch with the poet link. I almost forgot about Ambrose's terrible poetry.

Kvothe has told us that he has "stolen princesses from barrow kings", as well as told us that many refer to the archives as a "tomb" or "barrow". Many think that a barrow king (some kind of powerful being, most likely undead or necromantic in nature) is housed behind the four plate door in the stacks. I feel like this is the king in question and not Ambrose. We know that Kvothe had to kill a king to find his heart's desire (whatever lies in the possession/protection of this barrow king?) and fight an angel to keep it. Seeing as we know that he or Devi wants to use Auri's underthing to infiltrate the archives, I feel that after being expelled from the Arcanum (which we know will happen in the final book) he may betray Auri's trust, use the underthing to break back into the Arcanum's archives and breach the four plate door. This would all make more sense, I feel. There is a great video on this as well, I recommend it.

1:41 Those a the Nightwish members among the Edema Ruh 😲. You content is great, I'm subscribing.

I loved the take on the butterflies. Did not catch that one

I think it's either 1 Ambrose. 2 Simmon. Ambrose killing him and frames kvothe. Or 3 Denna's patron

I think it is Ambrose, what over reason would they have to say he was a14th in line then he goes to like 11 after book 1 and 2 or 3 people die including the prince heir, it just seems that someone is killing of members

Brilliant theory that Ambrose is the king. Explains Kvothes' disdain for him neatly.

Well done, sir!

7:09 God, I love Nick Podehl voice work on the audiobook. And just because if Pat, I don't think Ambrose will be the 'King' that the Kingkiller Kills. But that butterfly theory is amazing. Its amazing that secrets are still being pulled out of book a decade old.

Ambrose’s part in the story is to make Kvothe stronger - his first adversary - who helps him grow. By breaking his lute string he ensures his pipes, by breaking his lute he helps him call the wind, by getting him banned from the library Kvothe has to find another way in - which will play a role in 3rd book, by forcing him from the University he goes on his long trip, by attacking him with a mommet he learns how to make a gram, etc. I don’t think Ambrose is the king to be killed though... The 3rd book will see a shift to Kvothe’s real adversaries.

I am so happy i have found this channel!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Okay.... that’s it..... I AM RE-Reading now! GREAT videos!

I knew about this theory, but hearing it put like that is chilling!

Enjoying this

6:25: suprise Euron Greyjoy

Sometimes I wish that Ambrose was more of a threat to Kvothe. I mean if you don't include wealth and status, Kvothe outmatches Ambrose in every field by leagues. I mean heck, He doesn't need to be as good at Kvothe at magic or anything just as intelligent or manipulative.

It has to be Ambroses father Kvothe kills! Maybe Ambrose only care for poetry because that is a passion of his fathers? Either way, it takes so much for Kvothe to kill makes me wonder what leads him to become the Kingkiller

ambrose remembers me of draco, too weak to be the king, but if is him it will be satisfying.

nice video. 6.25 is definitely the crows eye

The king killed is Kvothe himself: he's lost his magic touch in all senses. Also, Kvothe is a Lockless, his mother being the sister to the now-wife of Mayer Alverone, meaning Kvothe is far closer to the throne than the Jackuss family will ever be.

The image at 6:11 is Euron Greyjoy from Game of Thrones You can see the flag in the upper left also the blue lips are a result of the blue drink shade of the evening he is known to consume that can sometimes grant visions or other powers.

When I heard you speaking about the killed butterflies I knew that you are reading way too deep into Rothfuss' book. I am pretty sure even he doesn't know how many butterflies Cthaeh has killed in the book but if he is watching such theories in the net he might actually make it true :D On the other side, I also think that the king that Kvothe has killed is either Ambrose or his father, and if you ask me it is most likely his father and this way he has made Ambrose a king and that's why he regrets it that much.

Ive not even watched the video but i am so happy

Sim is a talented poet.

There’s got to be a connection between the poet King that Kvothes trainer in Adem refers to... maybe a new character.

Shitttttttt you really got me at the end there....

HOLY SHIIIIIIIT *mind blown*

Could you do a video explaining current nobility, kings, family and the lines for the throne ?

Make some The Doors of Stone prediction videos!!

This also works pretty well with the Auri=Ariel/Tabetha theory. However theres Mola, a long time student, not recognizing Auri (or does she?).

My theory is the Ambrose uses Caesura to kill his father and frame Kvothe for the murder thus his 'kingkiller' moniker

my man

So I think it's the king of vintas. The Maer mentioned about him allowing swords in court would be the death of him when he made kvothe stop wearing his. Kvothes sword meaning "break in the line" connect King of Vintas. Also if the King of Vintas is Vashet's "poet king", then the sword being "poet killer" also comes true. There are more possible clues that point to this. If you have any questions, just ask or need further explanation.

I think it's a mistake for me to listen to these greatly made videos. It makes me wanna re-read those two books, but I wanted to re-read them only after the third one is out! And it's hard to keep my hands off them now!

Im not so sure, kvothe is in the commonwealth and the noble lines were speculating on are all in vint. At the waystone inn they speak of going off to fight for the king against the rebels. Im rereading again atm to try and peice this together

If the popular theory that Kvothe is a Lackless is correct then wouldn't that put him ahead of Ambrose in the succession? That would throw off the numbers since no one knows Kvothe is in line too. I think Ambrose may be a red herring, Rothfuss has said that the Ambrose conflict wasn't an original idea in the book and was added a little later. Unless that is also a red herring to throw off theories. Either way I look forward to the third book and will enjoy the theories until then, lol

hey... I just read the books. Got a question. What do you think about Bredon? My gut while reading tells me that he is a really important character hidden in plain sight. He shows up out of nowhere, plays Tak with Kvothe when he likes, comes and goes, seems to be very VERY strategic, teaches Kvothe about other people, and if you pay attention, no one ever mentions who he really is. Or did I miss something? My instinct tells me that Kvothe spoke too much while near him, playing Tak and trusting him, and if my memory doesn't fail me, even Kvothe mentions this while recalling those events.

Doesn't matter because the book will never come out so it's up to us to just imagine what the ending would have been.

I think hes going to kill the maer and usher in ambrose as the new king. The king who is after him now. Once he is the king he does some destructive stuff to him and thats why he said he wasnt harmless. It would be a lot more likely as his actions tend to be things he regrets. I cant imagine him ever regretting killing ambrose lol

I've got a theory. Kvothe is not a Lackless he is actually related to Ambrose. I could see Rothfuss throwing that curve ball at us

The sword is both Saicere (to break, to fly, to catch) and, in Kvothe’s hands,Caesura (the Poet-Killer, the end of an Old Vintage line). Saicere will break, this is foreshadowed by Vashet making a face of dismay verging on horror when Kvothe asks what he should do if the sword breaks. Saicere will fly, catch, and kill Simmon. Fela in her grief summons the name of stone, shattering the cobblestones which kill King Roderick Calanthis. The sword thus kills the poet, Simmon, and ends the Calanthis line. Kvothe is assumed to be the Kingkiller

How we all wish its Ambrose...but I think that's too obvious. I have suspicion it might be Simmon...but I hope not!

7:40 “frequent often”

Nah Jakis will be his bro by the end of this. The king he kills is probably Remman (Bast's dad) or whoever is locked behind the four plate door.

6:25 Euron Greyjoy is the 8th Chandrian confirmed

The butterfly effect!

I think that it will be Ambrose’s father that kvothe kills. It seems like the kind of twist rothfuss would have in the story. If Ambrose’s father becomes king it could be mad considering there are suggestions that he is a mad man. Kvothe would face a dilemma, he should kill the mad king but I’m doing so he would give his biggest rival the throne. Just my thought and I’m not sure if I conveyed them clearly. Let me know if you agree

Hold on one of these photos in this video is actually euron the crows eye from A Song Of Ice and Fire!

Sim is also a poet, sim knows magic alchemy that Kvothe doesn't know, we don't know if he was trained in fencing or another fighting art considering that he is a nobleman and that his father wanted him as a military man he could be a good fighter.

i'm going out thre with the theory - as Kvothe is a 'Lackless' - presumably higher in king rankong lineage chart then ambrose's family -- is it possible that the 'King' that Kvothe ends up killing is -- well Himself -- possibly by destroying his own Name. or he has to destroy his own 'kingship' to prevent a worse disaster?

I always thought the king was dennas patron. Idk why but I could see it be revealed. Like kvothe sees him finally. Sees him hurt denna. He kills him. The. Someone is like "body of god! it's the king!"

What would it take for Kvothe to end up king if his Lackless heritage is brought to light? Meluan is at least a suitable match for the Maer so its not that far fetched. He might need to "kill" himself in order to go into hiding as Kote. I think we need to remember not to be too literal with all of this and that the best lies/boasts about Kvothe are the ones he spread himself. You guys don't think Ambrose is entirely too obvious for Rothfuss?

I need to pay more attention, I've read both books and none of this makes sense.

Great video, but Rothfuss is never going to finish this story. He probably hasn't even begun writing the next book.

I think it is the Meare that is the king. Ambrose is the one that gets him kicked out of the university? I only think that because it would elevate Lady Lacklass to Queen. Doing that would elevate Kvothe himself.

I disagree completely, because if Ambrose was the king then the Chronicler, Bast and future Kvothe would have mentioned it in some way. The way Ambrose was introduced wasn't how you'd introduce someone who would become king.

Where did you get the info that the colours of the current king are red and gold??

This is way out there but without a 3rd book I got nothing but time to make up crazy theory's. What if Ambrose's family continues killing families in line for the throne and the Maer becomes king as Kvothe foiled that attempt. Eventually the Maer gets killed per the butterfly thing, and this sets off a civil war between the two families (one being being led by his Aunt the Lady Lochless the other by Ambrose ). The Poet Kvothe kills is sadly Sim in some tragic accidental way (sorry). The king he kills is the old Fae king CInder/ Master Ash/ Bredon (remember he did a bad turn to the tree once) and this sets off the current state of the Fae. In all ways Kvothe is responsible and showcases his folly. I actually think Ambrose lives at least in Kote's current timeline. That is why he is willing to give up his secret identity to not have the smith's apprentice take the kings coin.

The Malfoy of the Kingkiller series.

6:12 sorry is the euron greyjoy????

Vashet’s charge. Poet king could be king rodrick

I think it’s much more likely the poet king is the maer. Ambrose may then actually become the king and the whole reason to point out they hate each other because… the greater good.

did we ever find out about that letter Kvothe sent about Ambrose the baby is yours?

Have any of you guys thought that maybe Kvothe is a hired killer of a king? So, Kvothe, the Kingkiller.

What if Ambrose was a glamored Chandrian playing a beautiful game. Not likely …

I think it's rather obvious that the king Kvothe kills IF Kvothe actually kills a king and it isn't just a big misunderstanding, almost HAS to be a chandrian. SPOILER TURN BACK In book 2 we learned that the chandrian (or at least one of them) can appear normally and move about the eath like joe shmoe. One of them was right in front of Kvothe's face at the bandit camp but in that moment Kvothe felt he was familiar but couldn't quite put his finger on it.

Sim is also a poet

Could he of killed Bast father who’s a king?

Vashet's "Poet King" Ambrose, or Elodin?

Ever noticed how "jakis" is phonetically close to Jackass? that's MY theory!

I think it will be his dad

I think it’s Ambrose’s father.

Rothfuss has gone to the Ambrose well alot....let it go.

I don't think kvothe will kill Ambrose. If he does kill a Jakis it would be Ambroses father, thus giving Ambrose the throne.

Let us all hope it is not Ambrose.

Maybe Kvote kills the Poet King

Nah, it beeing Ambrouse would be way to lazy

I wonder if the open flame law, is simply to hide the fact that a master would cause it to turn blue.

HOLY HELL I FIGURED IT OUT!!! I KNOW WHO THE KILLED KING IS!!!!!!!! Firstly you gotta take into account Rothfuss's writing style. Almost every other is used as foreshadowing but in the most subtle of ways... it's almost like he's telling three or four stories with the same words. It reads like fine wine and every last syllable is relevant. Firstly I'd like to draw your attention to Skarpi's arrest. From that scene we learn that there isn't a separation of church and state. This implies that there is a public ruling class and a hidden one. Also the dockside pub is portrayed as a quiet tavern for workmen, not the sort of place I'd a) hide an informant, or b) expect to find a church toady that would run off to taddle over a story. That impression is further by the owner's reaction to the arrest, it isn't a place that sees a lot of officials. I'll admit that it could have been one of the other children talking at home that doesn't exactly fall in line with Rothfuss's style. I suspect that it foreshadowing a bombshell, the church is corrupt in the extreme. If you take into account the my prior points and take into account the bar is near a port, in an out of the way part of a major city, by a church (one that wouldn't have many people of consequence), it's a high official that makes the arrest, and most importantly of all the importance of names (and that they can be used to track people down) things get a little fishy. It seems to me that there must be come Chandrian involvement in the church. Now we already know that there isn't a separation of church and states. That means that if there is Chandrian involvement in the church then there must be involvement in high office. That would mean that the ruling elite are infact the Chandrian/individuals who are subservient to them. This would also be strengthened by Alveron being poisoned. He doesn't play ball and he is nearly autonomous. Maybe the deaths in high office aren't by the Jakis family, but by the Chandrian removing any opposition from behind the veil. I already have my suspicions that the Jackis family has some involvement with the Chandrian, but its far from certain. Its merely because Ambrose is at the university. I find it very suspicious that a nobleman's son would waist his time at the university. He comes from a VERY superstitious area too... I can't see how having a "sorcerer heir" would reflect well on the family. Plus his father fights to keep him in the university, despite Ambrose's messing about. I only ask to what end? There's a million and one explanations, but I'm inclined to believe it's in preparation for Ambrose to help with the hidden hand. Perhaps the butterflies do depict the people who are to die, but by Kvothe's hand. What I'm getting at is I suspect the ruling elite are infact the Chandrian. Kvothe uncovers this and is at least partially successful at eliminating them... I mean we've already seen how easily he infiltrated Alveron's estate. I mean hell he was able to get to his bed chamber without so much as a question, then escape without a fuss. May I also point out that was his first attempt too. AAAAAND hes getting more and more powerful by the day, hes on a trajectory that ends in near godhood. I believe that Kvothe will kill the current king, and if the rest of my assumptions are true then it could be none other than Cinder (and I'm fairly convinced of that). I suspect he will also end the Jakis line, and the Alveron will become the king. Now I'm purely guessing at this part but it flows true with the rest of my little theory here: I think Meluan Lackless is also involved with the Chandrian. It's only a guess, but if Alveron becomes king then Kvothe killing his wife is about the only thing I can think of that would be unforgivable. It would also make sense for Kvothe to kill most of the monarchs and actually leave Ambrose the king. We know that Kvothe kills someone outside the Eolian, could that have been papa Jackass... er. Baron Jakis?

Hear me out... Kvothe kills the 11 people that are in line before Ambrose!