The Lee Zii Jia & Badminton Association of Malaysia case - The Badminton experience EP.15 

its just the fact that zii jia has everyone behind his back to support him is really overwhelming, from the sport minister, ex sport minister, malaysians, badminton players and people all over the world 😭

denmark players were the most supportive athletes i think , always speak up for other players issues, thankyou and you guys deserve to be the top players in the world, and AA please come to Malaysia i will serve you nasi lemak everyday 🇲🇾

Thank you Anders, Hans and the whole Denmark shutlers, your voices actually make it viral all over the world and Malaysian actually believe viral power give it good results to Lee Zii Jia.

thankyou AA, hans, victor & other Danish boys for standing and supporting lee zii jia & goh jin wei🥺 they really need all players around the world to speak up about this issue. you guys are the best & always be💚💚 thanks to indians players too who viral this on their instagram. we really appreciate it. lots of love from malaysian🇲🇾

In my opinion, even though the badminton federation has to have a strong power, each badminton players should have their opportunity to decide whether they would go independent or not. Since there are few issues with federations these days, I hope there will be better modified policies soon! Good video, and I like it a lot AA!! 👍👍

fun fact: Ratchanok Intanon plays as a professional out of her childhood club, Banthongyord Badminton School.

It's a relief that Lee Zii Jia has worked something out with BAM. Hope to see you and Vitthighus back on court soon!

This means a lot to Malaysian and badminton fans! Thank you danish players! Respect and salute ✊🏻!

Thanks God. Today, we are receiving a good news, BAM already giving their blessings for Goh Jin Wei to play badminton independently. What a good ending for all of this saga. Thank you Danes badminton players for voicing out this matter and other international badminton players who continued supporting this matter. It really helped the Malaysian netizens 's petition to be heard and seen by BAM. Thank you all. Even if at the end LZJ need to pay some money for breaching the contract, I hope, he can bear it. Also I hope what already happened will not disturb his performance. Life after leaving BAM might be quite difficult for him in the future, I believe he knows that enough to make this decision. However he takes those challenges to make him better. I know there will be not a right or wrong for this decision. Support all the way for him, and all the players. I really give mad respect for all athletes... You guys are awesome human beings!

Thank you to both of you and also the other players for standing up and keep on supporting Lee Zii Jia and Goh Jin Wei. You guys are amazing 🤩♥️

Absolutely agree with you both. BAM showed itself to a a medieval bondage system. They need to be reminded they serve the country by developing badminton talent and not in the business of making money.

No doubt this is the BEST badminton podcast!! Looking forward for the upcoming "season 2" podcast. Regarding the sponsorship, Tai Tzu Ying had sponsored by Victor, but she was wearing Yonex jersey in Tokyo Olympics 2020 because Taiwan national team is sponsored by Yonex. So there is agreement between association and the player for letting them having "independent sponsor".. So let's see how LZJ dealing his sponsorship matter with BAM especially in team event. Independent professional player playing in Malaysia's team event is quite "new" to BAM..and now BAM is considering to have other professional player in the coming team event as well.

Thank you AA and HK for speaking up and also covering this topic. I totally agree with you both. And it’s great to hear that the issue was resolved.

A few years back there was a similar situation in korea where they would only admit you to international tournaments if you train at the national centre or if you had passed a certain age (31 or something like that). Having left the national centre, Ko Sung Hyun took this rule to court and won the case, forcing BKA to suspend the regulation and allowing him and the other Korean players to compete independently

Its settled now everything is now going in their own way 🙏🏻 Thank you for bringing up this issue 🔥🔥🔥

Watched the entire thing, alot of good points brought up. I’m curious about the money situation in badminton aswell.

Thanks Denmark for supporting lzj. Great job. We need people like you... Appreciate.

BAM made the decision and announced it to the public without even negotiating with the players, and they only found out the same time as the media. One journalist asked if LZJ could pay a huge sum - in the millions as compensation to leave, to which they answered they have not reached 'that stage' yet. They also stressed that they will welcome the players back if they change their mind, so I think it is quite clear by now that they wanted to gauge the reaction and force the players to rejoin if the community were on their side, but unfortunately for them, it did not turn out to be the case. Even the Malaysian government disagreed with the move and decided to intervene.

Yeayyy finally! Have been missing the badminton experience for sooo longgg~ 9k subscribers more to reach 100k Let's go!💥💥

thank you anders,hans and everyone for speaking up👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼💪🏼💪🏼💪🏼 it means a lot 💯

Thanks for updating us on all the hot news in the badminton world.❤️💯 Badminton experience is indeed the best badminton podcast.✨️

Anders you can start Mr. Badminton experience merchandise and make a separate channel for badminton experience after the season 2 and feature the episodes on you channel in a Playlist and we hope that by that time the studio will be ready. Again great podcast #justiceforleeziijia has been accomplished and we hope to see him and you guys and court!

Just subscribed. You guys give interesting and good comments without fear of any retribution from BWF; the fact that your countryman is the head of the organisation may be key. Keep it up.

Thank you for covering this topic..btw,the way you pronounce the name almost correct 😊

thank you AA & HK for covering this topic 🤍🥰

What a fun fact is that international players supported Lee zii jia but there are quite a lot Malaysian haters attacking him. 😔

Thanks A and HK for speaking up! Hope you guys all badminton athletes will have equity and justice in wherever you are. Vote AA and HK for BWF Commissioner on next period term😃 and looking forward for LZJ and GJW back onto the court!

THANK YOU AA FOR COVERING THIS TOPIC :)

Lastest news, on 27 Jan 2022, Goh Jin Wei ban has been lifted, she is allowed to continue her career as an independent player.

In Malaysia, most of the players have been financed by the government which provided everything transfering to BAM account since they were a kid. So BAM invests a huge amount of money for each player. In Malaysia the sponsor will have a business partnership with the federation, you can not have a special sponsor for yourself. It is why so hard for BAM to allow their reputable players to be independent players In Indonesia, most of the players are financed by their own badminton club until they are selected to join the national training center of PBSI (INA Badminton). Players are allowed to have their sponsor as long as the sponsor is not the competitor for PBSI sponsor.

great episode guys! aa, don't lose hope. keep hope alive by suing bwf for the rule change. maybe companies in dubai will help with the cost of suing bwf...

Every player has their own opinion to decide either they want to be in team or independent because they know more about how their body can take the pressure.Thank you AA and HK for speak up for LZJ maybe you can try learning Bahasa Malaysia after this I love the way you say the president’s name😂😂❤️🤍

I don't think LZJ leaving BAM is entirely motivated by monetary alone. Yes, the sponsorship deal is rumored to have a bigger deal but I believe he had issues with the BAM system and that's why having made the decision to leave. No perfect system in the world but I totally agreed with both of you in the sense that there should be a buyout clause just like the contract clause in football for the player to embark on a different direction. Many of the players go independent in Malaysia after not being able to receive contract extensions or wanting to move in a different direction. This happened to Tan Boon Heong and Koo Kien Kiat when they wanted to continue to be paired together but BAM wanted to split them and there's a financial repercussion to it which eventually forced them to go independent a while before retiring. So the 1st case of player going independent to such high ranking player in Malaysia.

Yess true..thanks a lot to Denmark badminton players for spoke up about this case🔥Looking forward the best from u nxt time

Thanks for the update on everything guys. I am happy to hear that all have been worked out and the players will continue to play. Love the podcast btw, keep up the good work.

Me as Malaysian really really grateful to you guys 💕 Thank you so much

Thanks for covering this topic on the podcast!

thanks AA and hans for speak up about them 💪🏻 we're really appreciate it 🤗

Badminton in the west, for the most part, is still portrayed as a "laxed" sport. A sport that people perceive as fun and not in any way a competitive sport that you can build a successful career out of. I think BWF just isn't marketing badminton well enough to the rest of the world. Maybe they should invite Netflix to produce something similar to F1's Drive to Survive to increase international exposure.

hey anders and hans, so many things happening in this podcast and so many things i would like to say to you but this one is the most important for me Please dont lose hope (38:55) i really think that you guys (the top players) can change the system. i mean just look at the situation with lzj. of course this is just one thing you guys could change but its a beginning. you, anders are about to hit 100000 subs at youtube and you have 258k followers on insta. that means something. if more top players of different countries would unite and all would comment to their followers, what they think is worng with the bwf it would create a huge wave of critisism by the public (just like with lzj). that is one positive site of the age of social media :D all in all a very interesting episode as allways. keep it up you guys and dont lose hope :)

It would be great if LZJ can go to Dubai and train with Viktor and others. Going independent will also allow LZJ to choose tournaments he want to play and recover when needed.

Very good content as always, keep up the good work. One small thing though, please call Loh Kean Yew Loh, which is his family name, or Kean Yew, which is his given name. Calling him Kean or Loh Kean feels very weird.

Some very good and interesting questions about the economics of badminton. To follow up with yet another “best ever” podcast - would be to find the answers to them!

Really good discussion on the marketing of the sport, etc. We need these hard talks with the BWF...

I just want to say ily guys for being so supportive❤

Your biggest fan from India.. Love u a lot

I like the back and forth you guys always have... Anders: I was in the arena watching Hans: I was in the arena playing *5 seconds of silence looking at each other*

Thank you AA and HK for always bringing up important matters around badminton. I do think that BWF needs to promote the sport much much better. Even just starting from the live broadcasts, most tournaments are never broadcasted from the starting round and not all courts are broadcasted. So for fans whose countries don’t always make it to the quarter finals and above they don’t get to watch their countries being broadcasted most of the times. Secondly, make interesting contents on youtube which will attract new audience. I think the Wonderplay channel by yonex korea is a great example of this. BWF can try doing similar things in different countries. BWF should also reach out for promotions to countries in which badminton is not that big yet. Do local events, connect with local badminton clubs, and do event promotions. The sport itself is a really great sport but if BWF doesn’t do a great work promoting it then it will stay stagnant and won’t get bigger.

Always love & support your content 👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻 keep it up ✨

its a very good topic and a lot of good points pointed out. especially on the financial one,and of course the federation power.

Great insights on the administrative aspects of the sport!

I only have one passion, that is for my hero badminton players to get paid like the stars they really deserve to be. The current financial situation is appalling and BWF is mainly and historically responsible for that.

Good podcast... Everyones got the right to express their opinion... BAM decision is an decision makes based on emotion... As an professional organization, they should not have the full control of the players although they invest much on the players... Players not puppet... They are ordinary human

Thankyou so much Vittinghus and Anderson cause u stan lzj

Really love the episode. So many good points to think about and discuss. 😃 For the popularity thing, I guess it is way more popular in Asia than other parts of the world and probably thats why there is not much money coming in unlike Tennis. Also, popularity wise, it is more to do with popular as a past time and not so much as a career choice as compared to sports like football or tennis.

🇲🇾❤️ thank u anders and vittinghus

I guess the other players (especially malaysians) don't show their support openly for the fear of repercussions from their own federations.🤷‍♀️ Great video AA & HK!

we have happy ending too for GOH JIN WEI!💪🏼👏🏼 👏🏼

I'm clearly not sure about the whole situation but as a Malaysian I have seen a lot of news: Apparently, the President of BAM wasn't thinking that he made a wrong decision to ban them not until the Ministry of Sports Malaysia stepped out and resolving the matter between the players and BAM. So I clearly don't think that the management of BAM did not expect the worst scenario. Just my personal opinion, might not be the truth.😅

Nope, not boring at all :) looking forward for the next one

Thx AA and HK

cmiiw pbsi have the same sponsorship system with BAM before, and it changed to individual sponsorship around 2013/2014. Hendra setiawan and markis kido left the national training centre due to contract money disagreement with them. Marcus gideon left the national training centre on 2013 because pbsi didnt register him and his partner to all england tournament when they registered other pair with lower rank, gideon send a formal letter asking for pbsi reason/explaination and they answered because gideon and his partner didn't have "prospect", the coach didn't like gideon acted like that (sending letter) and gave him cold shoulder, didnt train him seriously, only basic training not even play badminton, after this incident gideon left. Thats how terrible if federation have too much power over player, pbsi and national training centre has become so much better now.

you notice not a word from indonesian players. i guess their positions are similar to those malaysian players.

I hope to see LKY in your podcast soon.

As Malaysian and hardcore badminton game fan, I have to agree with the "Poor Leadership" part.

i’m still on work and have to finish my deadlines but let me give a like and comment first😂 i’ll watch it after work! btw happy 91K subs! 9K subs again to get the goal, lets gooo for 100K subs🔥

Have you guys, thought about posting these podcast on spotify, apple podcasts, podimo and so on? Just so one can listen, while being on the run?

Thanks! I love u guys the danish player 🤞🏻

If I'm not mistaken, it's the same with NFL a few years ago claiming to have a lot of fans in the world, outside the Usa. Citizens of the countries on the list were confused and distrustful of the research results and even Americans themselves laughed about the claims.

Playing professional or having looser control by the association is something yearned for by Indonesian player as well. First was the direct contract with sponsorship with players, which was only given since 2011. Many associations still became intermediary with sponsors. At least according to inside scoop, many Indonesian players were actually interested with the "half professional" arrangement of PBSI with Hendra Setiawan/Muhammad Ahsan. Though they have the benefit of already well known.

thank you AA!

ZIIJIA❤️❤️❤️😍🥰🔥

Hey Anders, plzzzzzzzz Interview with PV Sindhu or any other Indian Shuttler 🙏🙏🏸🏸👍👍

thanks for speak up abt this thing, you guys are the best one.. Come to my country we will served you with a lot of foods HHAHAHAH

Sportsmanship's at it's best ..

Tennis is really marketed well in the western world (where sports mean industry and subsequently full of money) and that's where badminton lag behind (massively imo). Unless US and big money countries get their portion on the sport, I don't see badminton going to contest tennis in terms of popularity and money.

No time stamps? :(

I really hope badminton can become like tennis where all players can play as a professional player. Badminton sssociation should only act like an education institution, not a for-profit organisation, this way can create a more healthier culture and environment for players.

Good topic👍🏻

Let Oliver too in the podcast once in a while. He too seems interesting.

thanks anders !

so sad.....only $800😭

I don’t think Loh Kean Yew moved to Singapore at the age of 13 because he’s not good enough for Malaysia/ BAM, he won LZJ back in Penang in a tournament under 13 boys singles before moving to Singapore.

Anders and Vittinghus, his is the only episode that i watched your full video until the end. (dont get me wrong, not because your other episodes are not good). Made me wonder why badminton player are so under reward compared to tennis players. All are racket players but having different fate. Hmmm...

Tq A.A Tq HKV♥️♥️♥️🥺

aghh the "political/economy side" of sport. it's pretty deppresing t_t thank you for discussing this

Thanks to the Denmark brothers, you all represent what we called 兄弟 (true brothership) in Malaysia!

I just have to ask since im seeing you wearing that watch a lot :D Which watch is that?

online 'support' for lzj, gjw, etc. isn't enough. players need to sue bwf in court to abolish the bwf registration bylaw. it is illegal. otherwise the future of badminton will continue to be unjust for the athletes.

Badminton England monetize entries into tournaments. If you'd like to play any bwf tournament, you have a pay an admin fee each tournament. It's not cheap. Obviously you can't enter yourself so you're forced to pay this fee.

I agree that the winning price for tennis is high but look who sponsor the games... rolex :3

Elsker jeres undertekster. Batman Anna Antonsen 😂😂😂

Nice respect ❤

Hi, does anybody have a link to the post Hans was discussing at 43.30? I can't figure out how to spell the person whose name his mentioned to google it and can't find anything at all.

Love the show, and thank you for all the great content. But there's too many ads, imho. I'd be happy to contribute in some crowdfunding stuff if this would help not having all these ads. Take care!

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AYEE ANDERS ANTONSEN 💪🏻❤❤

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You guys are a lot smarter than BAM .

toni kroos loves badminton 💕