Well before the Unification wars, there was the techno-barbarian state of "Jermani" which was like Germany and Poland (saw a lot different fan made maps, but nothing official) so he's probably "Jerman"............. just like Fabius Bile.......... which tells you a lot about what GW thinks about Germany...........
30k Kharne is a tragic character. 40k Kharne is still kinda tragic but is basically a horror movie killer even to other Astartes. Shroud of Night shows this off particularly well where both a modern Veteran Firstborn Imperial Fists Captain and a Heresy Era Alpha Legion Captain treat an encounter with Kharne with the same level of inevitable defeat on their part. You can not stop Kharne, you can only hope to delay him or get away.
I like to think that even into the present day of 40k Erebus has nightmares knowing Kharn is still alive out there somewhere. One day Kharn's gonna finish that gladiator match.
Like father like son! Lorgar is also probably nervously looking at his tower's window, seeing a shifty shadowy figure and hearing a demonic crow noises.
kharn woke up from his death coma because one of the assassins was shot as they came in the room, the blood from the shot got into kharns mouth while they had tried feeding him blood, that was ritual bleeding, this was battle shed blood THAT woke him up!
Kharn is pretty much the reason I like the World Eaters. He's an absolute beast who got thrown out of his element regularly to be the Angron-Whisperer, who realized that his legion was doomed when they met Angron but did everything he could to try to salvage something of it - and failed miserably, but in a way that is both predictable and inevitable. And the idea of him being utterly useless in the gladiatorial pits because he couldn't fight worth a damn unless his life was on the line is just *chefs kiss*.
My favorite character, Betrayer, the betrayer. Betrayed his Warhound brothers during the legion's culling. Betrayed the Imperium in the Horus Heresy. Betrayed his "allies" during the joint Emperor's Children campaign. 10/10 I hope he betrays Abbadon too.
Glad someone realizes. There is nothing honourable or redeemable about Kharne either in 30k or 40k. He has betrayed everyone at every single step. That he is Khornes mortal champion should say something to all the people who keep saying that the Chaos Gods have good "sides" to them.. Like honour for Khorne. There is no honour in anything about Kharnes, so if he's Khornes mortal champion, there is nothing honourable about the way Khorne is.
@@Tommybotham Honour is a fickle concept. In old samurai culture honour was serving your master without question, and in that regard Khârn is up there at the top. He is the betrayer because he betrayed the legion, but he did so in service to his master (first Angron, then Khorne). There's certainly nothing there to be described as good (and agreed that people who talk about the chaos gods having good sides are mad) but it does make him more interesting.
Kharn giving shit to the Word Bearers who were trying to perform rituals in the middle of battle, basically "If you have time to lean, you have time to clean," is one of my absolute favorite Kharn moments of all time.
I've read the Night Lords trilogy that everyone keeps going on about, saying how tragic the eighth legion is. I don't find them tragic at all, but Angron and his people... That's a goddamned tragedy.
I cant believe im going to say this. But i love that argel tal was so important to Karne that he had to have that friendship severed in order to give himself fully to khorne. It was awful, and erebus deserves to die 1million painful deaths for it, but this goes to your point as well, erebus explicitly states he kills argel so karne falls more deeply, thus karne was behind the wheel not possessed.
I love these moments in 40k like: The moment of self reflection and soul crushing loss. The kind that makes the legs turn to jelly and the next moment, the pupils tighten, and the betrayer hungers. Good stuff.
My favorite thing about the attempt on kharn’s life by the other world eaters. Kharn while being completely naked and likely still groggy from just waking up from a coma still had enough strength to pick up a fully armored world eater over his head and chuck him across the room before beating the other world eaters to death with his bare hands
Personally, I am more of an Ahriman fan because I don’t think the other champion’s stories can go anywhere. He also has a 4 book long series which helps.
@@louisnall3102 I mean… the problem with Ahriman is that even if it seems to go anywhere, GW can turn the car around and say “It was all part of Tzeentch’s plan” and we just have to take it.
@@TysonDylan0 Alpharius is a Primarch. Maybe a bit of a less primarch than most of his brothers, but a Primarch nontheless. A warp entity shaped by The Emperor into a perfectly bioengineered body. Khârn is just a space marice juiced immensly by Khorne, even with all his power he would probably lose to Sigismund again
I love kharn as a great example of the negative character arc. He was someone strong, trustworthy, reliable, and eventually went through changes that stripped him of all of his good qualities. He lost himself, and there is nothing left of the man we knew. Yet, he is likely as happy as he could be. Khorne blessing.
I always think that in another timeline where the Emperor showed more compassion towards Angron, he could've had another loyalist legion during or at the end of the Heresy. If Angron "dies," without interruption from Lorger or anyone otherwise, he could probably resurrect in the 40k setting through faith in The Emperor in a Saint Celestine like way. Imagine having a loyalist World Eater chapter being saved by a Primarch Saint in their direst need like the Sanguinor does with Blood Angels. Hella metal. Just my thoughts, tho.
I don't think that would have been possible, because he didn't have any reason for loyalty. All he wanted to do was die in battle and finally rest. Coming back to save the scum that took his destiny away is the least of his concerns. Undying loyalty would have been not only possible, but absolute, if the Emperor saved his brethren on Nuceria.
I don't like bad guys. I don't root for villains, I think they are objectively the worst. However...Kharne is a sad boy broken toy victim of parental abuse, and right next to his HUD Kill Kounter should be a counter keeping track of how many times Angron broke his heart. Because it's pretty close.
God I love how much pathos is put into Kharnes story and I think it makes it all the worse that people only think about how he is a bad ass and glorifying the tragedy he has become. Based on this and the world eaters video would love to see Arthur’s take on a world eater war band trying to become something other than killers, who aim to be loyalist and would be lucky to be renegades
I love Kharne and the world eaters. My space marines are war hound descendants who are very “look at what they (Horus) took from us” They don’t know it’s all Erebus’s fault so they HATE abaddon and the black legion
I just finished the Night Lords trilogy last week. It's one of those series that's stuck around in my head thinking about some of the little details and how my opinions have changed regarding certain characters at certain points (I won't spoil anything but the main one being Talos, one of the main characters). I listened to Helsreach just before NL, and to me, both are must reads, but both showed me how talented ADB is at writing in general, but also characters. I can't say much to avoid spoiling an incredible book trilogy, but Talos was a lot like Grimaldus for me, except where Grimaldus reached a point for me that I understood him and he became one of my favorite characters in the setting after flipflopping on whether or not I loved him, Talos kept on flipflopping for me, especially after the 3rd book, where I was kinda like "Yeah nah I'm no longer a diehard for this guy". But at the same time, he IS a Night Lord, period. He has his moral complexities, and while his treatment of slaves is well above any standards, he is still a Night Lord at heart, and he isn't a good person, but he knows that. Honestly, I could talk about several moments from each book, but I want people to experience that for themselves. Book 2 in hindsight is my favorite, but honestly, all 3 were at some point. Shoutout to my boy Xarl, he's a good man. And fuck Abaddon, me and all my homies hate his clown ass.
Kârn is my favorite. His name, his origin, his lore. It’s all things I love in a “too angry to die” character…also he slapped the fuck out of Erebus without even trying and that just gives him brownie points.
Wow... I subscribed when you had around 10k subs... it's nearly 100k. Amazing to watch you grow as your channel and you as creator. Good luck at keep up the great work and all the best ;)
Space Marine 2 was my first dive into 40K stuff, and I have been fascinated with it since. Your channel has been a huge help, and I also enjoy vibing out to your stuff. Keep up the dope work!
The true horror is the lucidity. Knowing what you fell from in exchange for being a 'thing'. Then the nails reawaken and you're a passenger again for eternity...damned.
Kharne and Angron remind me of a character from League of Legends (I’ve broken my addiction but still like the lore) named Aatrox. Very similar vibe with him, at least to me with of course the fact that they have their own nuances. But Aatrox is basically a corrupted demigod called a Darkin. He and warriors like him were driven a little bit crazy by a way they fought with some eldritch horrors but they were still loyal up until the empire they served fell and their emperor died. With nothing to give them purpose they finally fell off the deep end a bit but aatrox was a virtuous and charismatic leader and even when he fell he still held some nobility but him and the mind of his kin were slipping. However a bunch of stuff happened and a bunch of gods decided to lock the darkin away in their own weapons. And basically destroying their bodies and suffocating them in isolated prisons alone that made them feel like they couldn’t breathe or see but they could feel it all. For understanding imagine the tech priest trazyn warned that he shouldn’t go in full stasis because it would most certainly drive them insane. But the darkin did go insane and aatrox being the most noble, the general, the leader. When he was finally freed taking a host and found his body was now just a lump of rapidly decaying flesh vaguely reminiscent of his old form he tried to free is brethren to spare them from the fate he did. But due to their circumstances they couldn’t die and were forced into a maddened, pain filled immortality where the only thing to do was kill because it was better to be a monster than to suffer another second in their prison. But Aatrox gets moments of introspection where he describes adopting the persona of a mad bloodthirsty god as a mask to hide him from his condition. He begs for death and hopes that he will die in every battle even though nothing can truly kill him. So now he wants to destroy everything and kill everyone. Killing to take away the pain, revenge on those who did this to him, murder to mask what he has become, and hope that one day he will have destroyed everything with the hope that perhaps at some point something will just put him out of his misery and he can finally have peace. Even talking in the third person as if he is trying to convince himself to go through with it all. There are lines from him where he describes how he feels about his fall. “The heavens, the endless skies folding into each other. Where are they now? How far I have fallen! a god… reduced to a prisoner! How I loathe it. I am but an unholy copy of life… a mockery of its freedom… and born in the cruel betrayal of the noble ideas I would’ve served. Violence distracts me from these chains. We march to battle… let me carve flesh, let cloak myself in the slaughter. Hide me in the carnage… hide me from this suffering… I march towards death, though I wish it was my own. March flesh, march towards them! To war Aatrox! They shall not rob us of our nobility!” Idk he just feel very Angron/Kharne adjacent. Also he’s called the World Ender and them being the World Eaters doesn’t help lol
Relistening through some heresy novels and honestly Kharn had many chances to escape his fate. His little piece near the end of Galaxy in Flames had me a little sad. He was genuinely one of the last relatively honorable world eaters and even that quickly faded.
Kharn is definitely in my top 10 favorite characters in 40k. He keeps his center despite the nails despite the influence of Khorne pushing him over the edge, and while he is a rampaging berserker, hes still kept his center he can still be tactical. Its truly cool. I'm definitely more of a fan of the trickery and magic of Tzeentch but Khorne is my second favorite of the 4 so I am a little bit biased on Kharn there but he still stands on his own two feet. On the note of your second channel, I do wish I could find it, if anything out of curiosity of what you've got going on over there. But I will keep the secret if I ever do stumble upon it, because you wish it so. Good luck out there on your goal! And thank you for the video Arthur!
I love how in "The first Wall" good ol Rogal Dorne puts Kharne in his place so hard: "Bellowing, Khârn hurled himself at the primarch. Dorn swung Storm’s Teeth to meet the captain, the force of the blow throwing Khârn a dozen metres through the air. Dorn spared not a second glance as warriors clad in Terminator armour materialised around him, sent from the teleportaria deep within the bastion of the Lion’s Gate." What a badass moment. I was kinda waiting for Dorn to say "Get up." ;)
Now I'm wondering if the secret second channel was the one shared by a certain Irish skeleton. Amusingly, if it is, it was a comment over on their vid that led to my discovery of this channel, not the other way around.
I vaguely remember that book(the where he comes across the statue of that captain), it was a short story I think. The ghenna massacre it was(from angron's primarch novel), it's a complete shame that captain had to die there, he was an interesting one, and if he lived to istvaan 3 or 5, he'd be a major loyalist world eater character alongside macer varren and endryd harr. Speaking of shield wall and slow silent advance, that sounds like a tactic lifted straight out of spartan book. For my homebrew wrath hounds chapter, I aim to capture some of that old war hound feel mixed with fast attack, bikes and aircraft/gunships galore on the field, easy going camaderie off the field(and handy with engraving tools and brush).
My interpretation has always been that Kharn is effectively just dissociating 100% of the time. We're shown in other stories that there isn't any real separation from fantasy and reality for him, particularly when it comes to violence. It's who he HAS to be, because if he isn't then the grief will absolutely consume him-- particularly his own responsibility in both his legion and his own downfall. That's the true betrayal, he's the most sane a World Eater can be given the circumstances so he just falls into violence and brutality. You had it right that he's a stone smoothed down over the aeons, he's treading water. If he didn't, he'd drown in his own grief. Love Kharn, my absolute favourite character in the setting.
After learning about what’s inside the labyrinth on mars, I couldn’t get a wink of sleep! After getting a tub of AFK I only get intermittent sleep paralysis, thanks Gamer Supps!
I always wonder what kind of person Kharn would be if he was cure from the butcher's nails now. Would he still be a raging berserker (because Khorne lel) or would he try to to do something else like cure his legion ? Would he even be happy having the nails removed ? Would he regret something or just shrugge all of his actions? I don't know, for me Kharn is one of this characters I think could become someone without any affiliation like Fabius if that change was made. I imagine a character that have his own quest like, again, curing his legion or maybe searching a way to killing Angron definitely as a mercy killing. Who knows there is a lot of potential with him in what ifs and even in the official continuity. Also great video as always
Great video Arthur. Best of luck on your other channel. Oh do you think anybody not of the Canuck persuasion is going to know what a “Tim’s run” is? JK.
We have Tim’s in the states bud. It’s like the ones in Canada except it’s fueled with freedom and constantly being flown over by a flock of bald eagles.
"Only a fool takes Khârn for a mindless brute or rabid dog. Under that blood-soaked helm lurks an intelligence and cunning that makes him a masterful killer - trust me when I say that there is a dark purpose in his madness." - Abaddon the Despoiler. Shortly after saying this Abby sent his most loyal chapter (literally called the Hounds of Abaddon) to detain Khârn and bring him in. Instead Khârn recruited half of them to his Butcher Horde and used them to kill an Imperial Saint and wipe out a loyalist chapter. People often misunderstand Khârn as a mindless berserker because we mostly see him from the perspective of his enemies(/victims) mid-battle, but in truth he is largely able to control how and when the nails take over. He is just as cold and calculating today as he was ten thousand years ago, which is one of the reasons he's so interesting (and terrifying).
With Kharn i would love to see him get some of the humanity he once had and full redemption but maybe a few wrinkles on that smooth brain. I want to see him grieve Argel tal (spelling) my go out for revenge make him a bit more than just a mindless killer
