The Legend of Zelda Deserves Better in Smash Bros. 

WIZARDS FOOT SHALL NEVER LEAVE

3 links 2 zeldas and 1 ganon and no completely new characters since melee.... *YIKES*

I watched this video from a guy called Schaffrilas Productions where he defended Fire Emblem characters in Smash but brought up how franchises like Legend of Zelda, Donkey Kong and (of course) Sonic were under-presented in Smash and deserved another character over CORRIN!!!

This design philosophy Sakurai has for Smash characters is understandable and respectable but also very disheartening and inconsistent. If the goal is to have characters feel the most like they do from their games as if they jumped straoght out from them, then why do some characters (especially ones added late) don't get updates in later games to make them feel more like themselves. And why does this apply to only some characters. Luigi and Falco get to become their own characters but it takes Ganon 4 entire games to get something that feels original to him and Toon and Young Link just get to stay as basically OoT Link Lite. Once again, I understand where he's coming from but some decisions surrounding this philosophy still boggle my mind sometimes.

*My Ideal Zelda Representation in Smash:* -Keep stages, assists, music, etc. the same -Cut playable characters down to Link, Zelda, and Ganondorf (the three pieces of the Triforce) and change them up a bit. Give them new designs that are composites of all of their previous appearances. Link: -Mostly the same. -Give him back the normal bombs, hookshot, and Triforce Slash -Allow to use bomb arrows by using Neutral B with a bomb equipped. (it will function like Young Link's fire arrow but stronger) -Make him more about item management, since he'll have two moves that produce items. (arrows from Neutral B and bombs from Down B) Zelda: -Mostly the same. -Phantom is now F Smash. (With massively reduced range) -Down B is basically Hero's command select except she's choosing from four set runes. -Bomb is basically Link's current bombs. (She can detonate the bomb by using Down B again and selecting bomb) -Cryonis is basically Villager's tree without being able to cut it down. (6 second cool down) -Magnesis will give Zelda more grab range for 10 seconds. (6 second cool down) -Stasis basically acts as a command grab that will freeze the opponent in place for 3 seconds. (10 second cool down even if it misses) Ganondorf: -His A button attacks are mostly the same. -He can hover for three seconds. -Jab is now a reflector. -Neutral B is now like Sephiroth's level two Neutral B with no charge, more range, and faster travel speed. -Warlock Punch is now Down B. (It's the exact same otherwise) -Flame Choke is still Side B -Up B is now like Palutena's. -Final Smash is still Ganon, but it functions more like ZSS's FS where he's breathing hellfire upon the the stage. If you've read to the end of this, thank you fot your time.

sorry, kind of off topic, but I would love it if Eggman (if he ever does get in) had that "lovable bad guy" feel in his trailers, like how they treated King K. Rool in Banjo's trailer. It would be awesome if it was less like the bitter rivalry Sephiroth and Cloud have, and sonic was more excited than dismayed to see that he wasn't alone in smash anymore.

If they will reduce the number of characters drastically after ultimate, then I hope they'll rework the old characters. The newer ones are such awesome representations of themselves... Before Megaman was revealed, people thought he would be a Samus clone if he would be added. It turned out that he isn't and in some aspects maybe it would benefit to take from his moveset for a new version of Samus. I mean at least Megaman can walk and shoot at the same time, soemthing Samus can do in her original games but nut in smash :/

1:33 These Tingle games are great, I will not stand for such slander.

I've been wanting Hyrule Warriors Impa in Smash Bros since before there was even a second game in the HW series. HW 1 version had a naginata and the Giant's Knife, fire and water powers, and that awesome design, and nobody would ever think of making her a Sheik clone. It would be amazing. ...I would accept Age of Calamity Impa, I would be excited for her, but my heart belongs to HW1 version.

Sakurai: So you disagree with my character representation of zelda games? Time to add Tingle :) On a serious note, i honestly think that the Zelda cast was originally limited over Sakurai's decision of updating their models so that all triforce wielders would fit with one another. Sure, toon link is the odd one out but Ultimate is the first game where Link/Zelda/Ganondorf where allowed to all mismatch. That said if we are talking about how to best represent the series, i think we should really focus on eras/games. Ghirahim and Midna/Wolf Link would be perfect for Skyward Sword and Twilight Princess. Young Link should be given masks or have Skull kid in there. we NEED an Impa.... don't really mind which one. Maybe make her a Sheik Echo fighter that doesnt has insane frame data and instead is closer to Melee's hard-hitting Sheik. Even Tingle keeps coming back enough times to be considered a recurring character worth expanding upon??? At this point i would even take a Link that completely reinvents the wheel. Have him be classic Link and use the Fire Rod or other items that are more obscure. idk

7:16 Speaking of Rivals of Aether and Toon Link, there's a Toon Link character mod for Rivals that actually gives him a more unique moveset than in Smash like the Skull Hammer for his Side Strong and Deku Leaf Glide for his Up Special.

So I was brainstorming about making a Classic Link moveset that covers references from the older games that the Links in Smash don't already use. However, the more I thought about it, we kinda already have that covered through Villager and Isabelle. Think about it: Want to Young Link to swing a Deku Stick for a tilt? Villager's Up Tilt. Want Link to break pots? Villager and Isabelle's Dash Attack. Magic rods? Bit of a stretch, but Villager's Fountain Firework and Isabelle's Party Popper smash attacks are how I'd imagine hitboxes for magic rods to work. Want to use shovels like in the top down Zelda titles? Villager's Down Smash. Want a Skyward Sword bug net? Villager and Isabelle's grab. Want to go fishing like in Link's Awakening? Isabelle's side special. Want Young Link to use a slingshot like in OoT? Villager and Isabelle's F-Air/B-Air. Want Link to have more in his inventory than just the standard arrows, boomerangs, and bombs? Pocket's got you covered. Want to cut vegetation for the chance of items? Villager's Timber. Villager and Isabelle even get to be Tingle with their up special.

Prolly a broken record but Im always so excited when I see one of your vids pop up in the sub feed Idk why im choosing to say it here but like, one thing I hate is when youtubers try TOO hard to be funny and overdo it w jokes/skits etc. But from the start, your style is so good and you never overdo it. Your jokes always deliver and are actually funny lol Great vid as usual!

Can we talk about how between the two melee clones that returned in Brawl (Falco and Ganondorf) They went out of their way to differentiate a side character from a side Nintendo Property from their base, more then the main antagonist from their third biggest IP from their base. That's really funny.

I REALLY want botw Zelda in this game. With the Shiekah Slate or her sealing powers, it doesn’t matter. Hell, maybe even a Pokémon Trainer like thing with her and The Champions

How to make flacon Ganon Go to smash4 Open up custom fighters Use the defense and attack bages Choosing the slow special moves Congratulations you know how to make a Ganon dorf

Here is how I'd design breath of the wild Link's moveset. Neutral Special: Arrow Upward Special: Paraglider (Works like Game & Watch up b, but it glides for a curtain time limit) Forward Special: Boomerang Downward Special: Remote

Great video as always bro! i still laugh at the rock Lee part everytime I see it, it’s so good. Everytime I was shown in a clip as young link it was me doing up b LOL. Looking forward to what you release next :)

A few changes I would make (some are in this video) -Give YL a slingshot instead of a bow -Give YL the ability to switch between masks with Down B or at least make some moves use the masks -Give YL a taunt where he plays the Song of Time or something -Give Sheik a taunt with the harp -BotW zelda alt -Base Zelda's moveset more on the hyrule warriors games -More unique moveset for ganon that references what he does instead of taking captain falcon giving him a sword and replacing the fire with purple magic stuff lmao -Give TL the windwaker and other weapons from the games with TL New fighters: Dont think we need any #CuccoPlayableFighter

I feel there’s a similar excuse for the lack of new Zelda content then why we didn’t get an arms or XC2 rep in the base game (the roster was already mostly decided when sakurai could get references for BOTW) for as big as BOTW was, we sure got the minimum -for character, they updated link look and gave him 4 minor changes (remote bomb, picking up arrows, new grab and new final smash) -and for stage, we got the most boring choice, being the top of the first tower in BOTW (a transitional stage between all 4 beast with hazard representing each beast attributes would’ve been much better) But because we technically have a BOTW rep and stage for ultimate, it seems they wouldn’t bother adding more Zelda stuff for DLC.

Love the info you share PowPow, a lottle more originality in move sets qould definitely be a step up, maybe some new crossover characters can give us hope 🙂

Maybe the only reason we haven't got another Zelda character is because those three are the most important characters, I mean I could think of a few characters that could join the battle that have came back before such as Impa and Tingle

Here's my idea for Ganondorf: Neutral Special: Warlock Sword, a hybrid between Warlock Punch and Warlock Blade (one of the custom moves of Warlock Punch where Ganondorf uses the Sword of the Six Sages) Up Special: Dark Ascent, when performed, Ganondorf engulfs his hand in dark magic and levitates himself into the air, the trajectory of which can be slightly angled left or right. Upon making contact with an opponent, Ganondorf will grab him/her and pull him/her upwards with his levitating powers until the peak of his ascent, dealing multiple hits of 1% damage and up to 5% in total. Upon reaching the peak, he will throw the grabbed opponent forward, dealing 13% damage and moderate knockback. If Ganondorf fails to grab an opponent, he will instead fall with a helpless state.

course i'd love to see other zelda characters like Midna, Ghirahim, Tetra, Skull Kid, Tingle, Impa, or even a Darunia and Princess Ruto

Sometimes I come back to this video to see a man with a bag over his head yell "WIZARDS FOOT" while almost falling off an office chair.

for real though, DLC characters get unfair amounts of love compared to base game roster. If ganondorf was DLC he'd be floating and casting magic :(

Link(oot) has a variety of different moves not seen outside of Soul Calibur 2. I'm sure Sakurai could use some of those moves if he wanted to. Also have Young Link turn into Fierce Diety Link for his Final Smash

I’m curious if you will ever make a Kirby deserves better video, like Zelda, Kirby hasn’t had a new rep since Brawl which you should expect since Sakurai created Kirby too

So you want Zelda to go from stealing Link's attacks in Ocarina of Time to stealing Link's attacks in Breath of the Wild? That doesn't really solve the issue with Zelda. Just changes its face from one form to another. What Zelda really needs that's actually representative of her are LIght Arrows, which she used to have but were removed in Ultimate. In almost every one of her appearances since Ocarina of Time she has either given Link light arrows, created light arrows or used them herself. And if any character should use Sheikah slate attacks it should be Sheik, the actual Sheikah.

Bruh even Pichu is stronger than Ganon in this game. I beat Ganon tho!

Why was Ganon a Falcon clone? He was added *extremely* late in Melee's development, he wasn't considered or intended to be in Melee's roster at all, but when deciding on the clone characters near the tail end of development they thought about him and realized they had two choices, either add him in at the cost of him being a clone or not add him at all. You can probably guess what they decided.

Spirit Tracks makes sense as is her most prominent role in any Zelda game. She does the most there than any other game. That and it is a great game lmfao

7:47 Omg I can’t. 😆

I like your idea with Zelda using the shiekah slate. I also think if Zelda used her sacred magic from BoTW. She could use the her light sword for F-Smash. I also think she could use her light beams from AoC. She could maybe levitate somewhere (idk the best button to place that on) I dunno just some ideas. Ooh also last thought. Her goddess dress from BoTW as an alt. Okay that’s all I got. Thank you for listening.

I kinda really wanted Midna on smash, but I'm so scared they gonna bring her in her humanoid form just to turn her into a zelda clone. Also I think Toon Link should have that super spin attack he has in games like wind waker and phantom hourglass, but without the dizzy side effect, maybe If it was still TP link he could have the hidden skills incorporated in his moveset.

I feel like Star Fox deserves better also. All three characters (Fox, Falco, and Wolf) have the same exact moveset template with varying degrees of strength and agility like the 3 Links. I don't even play Star Fox, but I would have at least liked to see someone like Krystal fully playable to shake things up a bit among their cast.

Hey hey hey hey I get your issues with zelda, but spirit tracks is the most underrated zelda game I've ever played, it had a cool companion in the form of ghost zelda, it had nice exploration with a cute artstyle, it had probably THE BEST SOUNDTRACK IN THE ENTIRE SERIES! ST is great. (Note I'm not hating on you or anything just voicing my opinion.)

They should have given young link a final smash where he turns into the fierce diety

TBF I just had a weird idea for the main 3 Zelda characters. What if they had some sort of reincarnation based gimmick? In Zelda, the one most notorious thing is the timeline and how everything is ordered so what if they just put all the Link's, Zelda's and Ganon(dorfs) into one slot. If they were to do that, then maybe there could be some guideline for actually changing to the next iteration of the character. As an example, with Link you obviously start at Skyward Sword and have him based on that iteration. This is probably taking it too far, but maybe there could be some kind of progression system to allow Link to gain more moves and resources, to parallel how Zelda is largely adventure based. Like if you got up to the BOTW Link, maybe 4 random pedestals would spawn at different locations on the stage, and these would be based on the ones found in the shrines on the Great Plateau which give you the runes. They'd be in the background like Steve's crafting table, and if you were close enough to the pedestal and you pressed B, a short animation would play and then you'd get a rune. After that, maybe a spirit orb would spawn at the other end of the stage and a puzzle would suddenly spawn, which would make you have to solve the puzzle to get the spirit orb. Once the shrine is completed there would be 3 more. Once you complete all the shrines, let's say Link gets his paraglider to float like Peach but he also has buffed speed and damage to reference how you are kind of more powerful after leaving the great plateau in BOTW. What do you think on this? It's a way to represent the story based progression of Zelda and a way to progress through all the different Link's. Once you finish all the tasks that you need to do as Skyward Sword Link, you'd then be playing as the next Link in the timeline etc. It is a little gimmicky but I think it panders towards all audiences. This would obviously be harder for Zelda and Ganondorf though as they aren't playable so trying to find progression tasks which would work based on the stories of the respective Zelda games won't work as well as for a lot of the games they appear in, we don't know what they are exactly doing. BTW, this idea would also make Ganondorf and Ganon one character. You start at Ganondorf who would then become Ganon once you complete the completion tasks and move onto the next game represented in the timeline (IDK whether it was Ganon or Dorf who first appeared in the timeline, or at least i can't remember, so correct me if i'm wrong) This way, all the Links can share one slot without people going nuts, it allows them to keep their current attacks, even if they would need to 'unlock' them so to speak, and it allows the Links to realize their full potential. Heck it even remedies the problem of having to pick a single Link to represent Zelda as it means you can just add them all. I know this is a lot, since with Link, at the time of writing, it'll be at least 12 different versions of Link, but as they wouldn't all appear at the same time (Aside from maybe the final smash which could probably be like Hero's gigaslash where they just summon all the Links at once and attack) and that they would all look quite similar, i don't think it would be as complicated as, say, Ice Climbers.

I agree completely you speak the truth the Zelda series DEFINITELY deserves better.

Sakurai could change sonic moves by adding classic sonic to take sonic old move set and sonic could get a new moveset I hope he does this and shadow for smash.

For Zelda to use the Shiekah slate, she'd have to be in her Breath of the Wild design which was never going to happen. Probably because there was no Ganondorf at the time. Just Calamity Ganon. The problem with mask transformations for YL is how it could throw off the balance if each of them have their own movesets while including young link himself. Maybe if you incorporate them in throws or single button. Source gaming said that Ganondorf wasn't based on Ocarina of TIme, he was based on Spaceworld 2000 Ganondorf.

I had truble finding this.

Why do you think Sonic's kit fails to represent him as a character? I feel it does it pretty well.

The thing about Zelda was at the of development someone decided they were going to use link between worlds design give me a better moveset for that link fills the Botw niche already.

I prefer the Japanese names of Ganondorf's current special moves, can I show them to you ?

Don’t worry PowPow, we have Breath of the Wild 2

Botw Link personal moveset Ww Link personal moveset too Ganondorf Sephiroth treatment I love Zelda moveset ; ESPECIALY the down B Maybe one more original character I know that someone want a non triforce character but I think that I would choose Ganon or Hilda

#FreeGanondorf2021

This has pissed me off to no end since Melee. Twenty years of anger always there waiting to be tapped into but instead of giving me an edge it just poisons my mind and therefore my body. To appease the Capt Falcon clone users the devs just need to make Twilight Princess Ganondorf the Capt Falcon clone and then give us a real Ocarina wizard Ganondorf. Super Smash Bros Crusade did a great job and so did that one Brawl mod. Young Link could have at least have his ducking slingshot by now. Getting only fire arrows boggles the mind; they should cycle through ice and light arrows too since it was decided for him to have elemental arrows. You’d think Midna on Wolf Link would be a no brainer, but no… You’d think Vaati…no…. Mother. FUCKING. Skull Kid. Of course not, why would anyone ever think of such a thing? More Zelda reps? But that series doesn’t need promotion, didn’t anyone check the numbers that BotW is bringing in? There’s hope though. Without relying on returning third parties they’re going to have to find more ways to bring back players and that could be reworked move sets and/or custom moves but this time they’re completely different (like the Mii Fighters and Palutena in Smash 4). Aside from the obvious changes and new reps to add that I said above, I also want that villain from Age of Calamity (I’ve only seen photos), Lana, the four Champions, and others I’ve missed (probably somebody from Oracle of Seasons/Ages).

It really does.

I think Toon Link's moveset and final smash should be based on his appearance to Four Swords. What do you think?

I know this is an old video but for the Next Smash game after Ultimate. Even if they didn't introduce newcomers but revamped all the old characters. I'd be ok with it.

Ok, but can we all agree on something. THEY NEED TO CHANGE THE 2 LINK BOYS YOUNG AND TOONS FINAL SMASH. I got some ideas. YOUNG LINK - He could change into Fierce Deity and just bet him with his cool sword. - A cutscene final smash where the opponent is on top of the clock in Clock Town and the moon squishes them but not a whole lot so Clock Town is still standing and Skull kid fist bumps YL as they get squashed. TOON LINK IVE NEVER PLAYED ANY OF TOONS GAME SINCE I DONT WANT SPOILERS IM GOING TO REFERENCE THE TRAILERS. - Im assuming Toon can change how waves work so he can drown them and then he runs them over with boat dude. - that's all I can think of.

I agree with this so much

It's hilarious Zelda will never get a newcomer since 2001, The next Smash is 5 years off and it’ll be over 25 years by then since the last Zelda newcomer. What did Zelda do to Sakurai? Also in Melee’s intro Sheik has her harp but they never bothered to make it part of her Moveset like Hyrule Warriors managed to do or at least make it a Taunt. That’s the strangest thing about Sheik.

Please do Kirby Deserves Better in Smash Bros.

Change my specials please

Gee, it sure is boring around here. I WANT TO DIE

True,Zelda is one of nintendo's biggest IP's yet keep ganon an echo of a dead franchise.Like sorry I know some fans exist,but f-zero racing is so dead that you can't deny that captin falcon being the fast,hyper active character he is wasn't just nintendo's pale attempt at sonic the hedgehog(like i know fast,cocky and too cool for school is a steryotype and not linked to once character,but it is way too obvious).Hell the last f-zero game was made by Sega,so give zelda something new,make ganon use more unique attacks than slower falcon.

Ganondorf hasn't been a Falcon clone since 2008.

I'm fine with Zelda and shieks representation in smash

I would much rather have thirteen 100 Grands, tbh.

I hope the next Smash Bros game cuts down the roster, and when I was thinking about it, 5 characters should be the max. number, so Zelda could get the Triforce and Impa, (the 2 franchises with 5 characters are Mario and Pokémon) I think that the movesets would be much more interesting if they could focus on just these less characters rather than balancing out 62 fighters and animating 108 characters

They even ruined her final smash, the bow of light was PERFECT for Zelda but instead they traded it for something completely made up: sucking players into the triforce of wisdom I mean come on, when has the triforce of wisdom EVER done that in the Zelda series I would base her attacks around her bow of light and holy magic like they did later on in Age of Calamity

Link should stay mostly the same, as I'm not against the idea of not alienating players with drastic overhauls. I'm not against him loosing his Boomerang for another Slate power, and even giving him a Shield Special like Inkling has to let him Shield Parry attacks. If you're going to overhaul Zelda around the Sheikah Slate, you might as well just make a whole new character at that point. Young Link doesn't need to be here anymore. We've already got many other OoT reps and 2 other Links, one of which can serve as a Base Link to keep the N64 moveset alive. Would it kill to at least give Sheik her harp as a Taunt? Not even a Down Smash, Special, or Final Smash. Just a TAUNT at least? Toon Link could definitely use that overhaul, even if it's just pulling from Wind Waker. Like making Down Smash his Spin Attack so he can use the Deku Leaf to recover and using the Wind Waker for a Final Smash. Ganondorf's Brawl moveset has got to be one of Smash's most iconic, and it'd certainly be alienating to change it. So just add LTTP Ganon in as a newcomer. Dorf gets to stay as the King of Disrespect. Zelda fans get a proper Ganon. Zelda gets a new rep. Everyone wins.

Get rid of all of them and just add deku link and the representation issue shall be fixed

3:28 to 3:36 No you couldn't. Not only do ganon and Captain falcon play completely different from each other with Captain falcon being more faster and mainly being a stylish character while ganon is a brute strength and disrespectful character(weird description) they also have different moves from each other in both functionality and look. All of ganon's basic ground attacks (jab, down tilt, up tilt and side tilt and dash) are different alongside all smash attacks and most specials. A lot of ganon mains would hate falcon. And y. Link and link also have completely different speeds and playstyles, specials etc Exp: y. Link has a rapid jab, a super fast dash attack instead of a big jump, quick down tilt and up tilt, down air, bomb, recovery etc and link would just not he the character for them. Even if you change the move sets from each other, the speed still won't be the same. Also I think Nintendo gave link changes in his moveset that try to every zelda title instead of just botw(mainly special wise) His regular jab not only has a longer range, but also has him swing his sword farther and then he swings it up at the end, his forward smash also has a reference to the original Zelda as it shoots a beam of light when link is at zero, his side B is completely different, his bombs are remote now, his arrows can be picked up and shot or thrown, entrance is now changed to him gliding in, links up tilt has less range, but more speed, while his side tilt is the reverse, he also has a different charging animation in his up b, but I guess we can point out that a lot of his changes are in mainly his animations and range. I feel Nintendo then extremely well on links representation in this game and I think there were mostly trying to go for "eras"to represent for Zelda, so I can understand why breath of the wild zelda hasn't been put in. That's just my two cents I need to put it as I rarely speak on zelda due to my limited knowledge on the series. But that's just how I see it

Do warioware deserves better in smash bros

FIRST I GUESS!