I think everyone seems to forget that Wan isnt just the first avatar. He's the ONLY avatar. He was reborn again and again after his first life as Wan. He's Aang, Kyoshi, Korra and all the others. Though they all have their own memories and personalities. They are still one and the same.
@@tonygaming2813 they technically are different people with the same soul lol they have their own memories and experiences, seperate personalities. But yes, Aang is technically Wan just reborn again...and again...and again. Until Korra ruined it.
Can you imagine the 2nd avatar's reaction when they can bend more than one element then suddenly wan showed up as a ghost. That must have been one hell of a freak out
I know everyone is making fun of wan’s name, but did you know that “wan” means 10,000 in chinese? This seems suitable since harmonic convergence happens once every 10,000 years
yeah, back then the sages didn't exist so there was nobody that could tell you that you were the avatar. but if i had to try and guess, i would say that like little kid Korra, he probably discovered he had the abilities by using them one day accidentally.
Well it's likely that the first 10 or so avater didn't know that they were it was probably when the four nations just started their founding when they realized that every 100 years or so I new person with all four elements (it's likely that the four nations didn't communicate a lot because of war) but they'd figure out the cycle and what the avater was
@@seary2416 but it's said somewhere that it's impossible to destroy the Avatar cycle. I might be too optimistic, but I don't think the creators are the type of people who would just end the story like that. They'll make a show about the next Avatar that regains the connection, mark my words. Plus, guru Pathik also told Aang that if he ran away to help Katara, he wouldn't be able to get into the Avatar state and boom! He actually did later. So yeah. It all depends on what the writers choose, everything's possible. I swear, sometimes people are literally trying to find logic in a cartoon where the only limit is whatever Bryke choose. 🙄
Emily E Part of me sincerely doubts that the writers would do that, but I really, really want them to. Spend a few episodes, if not a whole season fixing Korra’s mess and getting shit actually back on track instead of having to start over. Also think it has potential for some good comedy relief, like the link is built a little wrong and you end up with teenage Roku or teenage Kyoshi. Give us insight into what they were like younger while also leaving more conflict for the new avatar to solve. But yeah, we’ll likely just be stuck with bratty Korra who will tell the next avatar to not listen to common sense.
I believe that it is very fitting that Wan’s first element was fire. He definitely had a fire personality, he was cocky and arrogant, but as you mentioned, his selflessness was his redeeming quality.
Imagine being the next avatar, some big villain comes up and you have no idea how to deal with him, you get told "Don't worry fam, you can just call up some of the previous avatars for help" And then you do, but the only one there is fucking korra
Actually. The name of the first avatar was based on this exact pun. They called him Wan because he was the first avatar, the number ONE of all. ¿Makes sense now? lol
It’s kind of ironic how the first avatar was on the fire nation lionturtle, then the royal family of the fire nation many, many generations later, tried hunting the avatar.
A lot of people are saying that the reset of the avatar cycle doesn’t matter, but like, The Avatar State is extremely powerful because it combine all the knowledge of the past avatars, along with Raava’s power. But with Ravaa and all of the old avatars being killed, the avatar state is almost worthless.
Raava is still there. Korra ripped her out of unavaatu. After raava was destroyed, she started growing immediately inside vaatu. It’s the past lives that are gone
I didn't even watch the entirety of Korra, but even I know you can't argue with this comment because that was literally the entire point of the writers doing that. Korra lives in a world where they feel the avatar is no longer necessary. So they were like "let's prove it by restarting the avatar cycle" as if that was a good idea. But as long as good exists, so will evil. Peace cannot and will not remain forever. So even if Korra's world doesn't currently need an avatar, sometime later in her current life or in one of her reincarnations, the world will need an Avatar again. And when future avatars look up to statues of Aang, Kyoshi, Roku, etc and go to call upon these past lives in times of need, they will not be there. The next time an avatar needs to master all four elements in a few months time to prevent the world from destruction, Wan and Aang will not be there to provide guidance. Remember when Aang was lost and stuck trying to decide how to handle the fire lord? He didn't just look to Roku for guidance. He went back multiple generations of avatars to seek out their guidance and their stories. What if the next avatar is put in such a dire and desperate situation? What if violence breaks out between the humans and spirits again? If the next avatar has to live through that, the only person they will have left to call on will be the avatar who started that war by disrespecting the first true avatar whose wisdom in *this specific scenario created the avatar cycle in the first place*
This will probably sound harsh ,but most of my favorite LOK moments is when Korra is getting her ass kicked. Also I feel bad for the poor earth bender that has to come to Korra for guidance.
@@heisenburger8163 Korra did bring balance to the world though. She brought back the airbenders, stopped a tyrant who had conquered the earth kingdom, and opened up the spirit worlds allowing for humans and spirits to live together once again.
well, according to Roku, the avatar state is a very vulnerable state. one unfortunate event means the end for the cycle. so, it wasn't really impossible to sever the connection. Aang (Azula to be exact) almost ended the avatar cycle. if Katara was even a second late healing Aang with her spiritual water, the avatar cycle would've broken right then and there. so if Azula was allowed to almost destroy the entire foundation of the avatar state and she was praised for it by some fans, why is Vaatu (and Korra) getting flamed when it was explained in ATLA the cons of the avatar state.
I feel like most of the comments are about how pissed everyone is at the Avatar's past lives being completely deleted. I've never seen a fandom so universally angry about something and I haven't even watched LOK fully.
@@Fay.th_ They had all the right,but had no idea what to do with it,its like they thought: "Hey Korra's connection with her past is shit anyway so why not erase it?"
Who agrees that they need to have a series called Avater: The Cycle Begins or something like that cause seriously after watching this I think they need a series based of Wan alone.
I don't think a series on him would be needed because his life was well summarized but a prequel on avatar after him of few avatars after him that have seen the birth of individual nations would be very cool. Plus because only few avatars back there was Wan he might be a frequent spirit like Roku was for Aang.
I AGREE. I could care less if we were given a summary of his life. Going deeper into who he was, what he thought, what he felt, what he struggled with, what he achieved, what his bonds were like, etc. ALL OF THAT WOULD BE AWESOME TO SEE IN A SERIES. Expanding on what was said in the summary of his life we were given would be such an great thing to see. I’m just fascinated with how Wan just did his best for something he truly believed was the best option. Years later it’s seen it really didn’t help, but nonetheless seeing him grow and mature with Raava is a series I would definitely be willing to watch.
No, make a Serious where one episode is one Avatar. Maybe sometimes 2 or 3 Episodes for each one. Would be so interesting. The Avatars should all tell there own story.
Exactly just like Yin-and-Yang and it's so sad that they took that away and replace with Westernized version of the polarity with Vaatu, and Raavu. I don't mind the first avatar but I don't like when they replace the idea of Yin-and-Yang like it's not there anymore. Although, one thing they both have in common are still considered to be balance of bad and good even though there are differences between the bad and good. Like for example, from personal experience I can be selfish, quite loud, moody, sound like I'm a dog or an animal, and careless. My positives are actually too sensitive (I am an emotional empath and know when someone is lying), strong than I thought because I feel looked down by others from personal experiences I appear as emotionless being that I don't wanna hurt people, smart, creative, relaxed, and emotional. Although I'm not good at speaking up for myself I realize the compliments I get that I have strong argument or opinions.
It’s crazy how this show is a kids show, but has so much meaning in every episode, all comics, every second of these shows are connected. Avatar is L E G E N D A R Y
I’ve always thought characters like Wan are the ideal of how humans really should be. Good & Evil are both extremes, and neither are balance, instead being one way or the other. Meanwhile characters with traits of both are the ideal balance. It takes being cocky to seek power for oneself, but it takes humility to use that power for others.
Wait I haven’t watch LOK since it came out; can you explain to me what happened? So is there no such thing as the avatar anymore? Restarted? So does that mean no future avatar (if there’s a such thing as more avatars) can’t ever talk to Aang or Roku or kioshi, etc anymore? Edit: I rewatched the show and I am very sad. Okay that’s all.
“His biggest goal at this point is his story is to steal from the chews and this makes him dishonest” Dude, what was he supposed to do? Let his friends and family starve?
@@iamsolovely Scroll to the top comment. It talks about the first Avatar starting it for everyone, not being the best but they first who deserves respect
I think Wan is brave. All the other avatars looked to their past lives for help, but he was the first, so he couldn't, but he still defeated Vattu Another thing is that Korra's cycle will still be the same since she learned the elements in this order: Water, earth, Fire, and Air, which would have been the same cycle if she didn't lose Ravva
I'm just watching the series again. Is it clearly said that the circle is back on track? Korra said she is the last avatar. Or should the fact she re-fused with Raava be enough to make clear that the circle is back again? I mean the avatars bevor her are definitely gone.
Korra has to find a way to get the past avatars to her and ravaa cause if not I’m saying goodbye to ATLA (I knew LOK was shit) so I never watched it but seriously her choice was stupid and she’s the avatar how the hell did she not defeat him is he or she stronger or something cause if not she could’ve Im just so pissed how korra can make that mistake now the new avatars if they’re gonna be some since she like ended it smh have to find them instead of mediate which is better honestly imma pretend korra never existed and think aang is still the avatar cause in my opinion he was the best out of all korra never heard of her
Karen Orellana she didn’t choose. She lost because Vatuu had more influence on the world than Ravaa. Which meant Vatuu was more powerful. If she didn’t fight the past loves would’ve been lost regardless. Vatuu fused with the antagonist and ravaa fused with korra and Vatuu was too powerful. But despite this she powered on and won at the end of the day. But she lost the connections of her past lives. No other avatar after her will be able to contact their past lives. What happened on harmonic convergence brought back many air benders which aang wanted the most, and it rebuilt the air nomads. And Korra is attempting to make up for what happened by writing about every single avatar that was lost she can do the next avatar can have access to the books be able to get advice. She trusted someone who was family and it cost her and others a lot. she developed issues with trust afterwards. But in the end overcame it, trying to be the symbol of peace she is supposed to be.
I thought the same thing! Especially when he talked about him going through all that for a small piece of bread, my brain instantly went “one jump, ahead-“
I like that Wan isnt the picture of honor and righteousness. He's flawed, conflicted, and complex. He's not very smart and he's way too cocky for his abilities, but he also does have a lot of compassion and bravery. I think thats what makes him a well written character
When the writers decided to sever all the Avatar’s past lives and make Korra the new beginning of a new avatar cycle, that’s when they severely fucked up.
they severely fucked up when korra is a fucking child, and goes stomping in her ice hut firebending, earthbending, and waterbending at like 5 years fucking old, ala episode fucking 1.
@@VonDelacroix its not canon. not the original writers. LOK is a social politic pushing agenda propaganda. just like they did to star wars. erase the history and make the main character a women with unlimited power with zero training. They're also lgbqtkdjas alphabet .
VonDelacroix the main reason why Korra was arrogant and boasted her skills from a young age is because (I think) each Avatar is gifted in areas the previous Avatar either lacked or saw as their regret. For example, Avatar Roku had deep bonds with those around him and cherished individuals deeply. This was his downfall though when he failed to bring down his childhood friend which could’ve made him regret being the avatar at all. His next life, Aang, runs away from the responsibility of being Avatar all together which encapsulates Roku’s regret at his end (That portion was explained to me and I hope it made sense lol) Within Aang’s life we see him be connected to his spiritual side more so than anything else. He was also trained very well in air bending because he wanted to live as a normal air nomad and live the rest of his life normally with his people. After Aang comes the next Avatar, Korra, and she is born without these two things. She is definitely not connected to her spiritual side and cannot seem to master air bending at all. She also does what Aang’s biggest regret was in his life. Korra runs headfirst into training to be the Avatar and takes pride in it. She doesn’t shy away form it like Aang did, but embraces it and becomes cocky. When Aang left the air nomads, the extinction of his people came along with that decision and therefore a lasting scar was etched onto his heart forever. So, instead of running away, Korra goes in with full confidence she will achieve great things because she’s good at three elements out of four. I’m not sure if Aang lowkey resented spending so much time trying to be a normal air nomad or if being good at air bending ever brought him mementoes of sorrow over what happened to his people. I do, however, think that Korra is a reflection of what Aang couldn’t be. Aang was definitely not arrogant from what I’ve seen. He was a kid who had to grow up to save people. His previous life as Roku gave him the ability to form deep relationships with those around him (I think) and this is why he’s able to affect those around him, but also be affected by those same people as well. He had to learn different elements quickly and struggled internally with himself and his morals for he didn’t want to kill anyone. I sometimes see parts of Aang in Korra when she hesitates to do things you’d expect her to do. Moments where she backs down, stays quiet, or reflects inwardly are all things I see Aang in. Anyways sorry this is long but I just felt like sharing this as it gives us a new perspective of how to see Korra’s character! (Also it’s super late for me and I should be sleeping so I’m sorry for any typos)
I have a question though. Korra lost her connection to her past lives, but happens to their spirits? Are they gone forever? What happened to Aangs spirit?
imgayforjennie Vattu, the dark spirit, took over Korra’s uncle’s body, and took Ravaa, the light spirit, out of Korra’s body and over the timeframe of a few seconds, completely wiping out Korra’s connection to all the past avatars. however, i’m sure that this was just Korra’s connection to them, not her successors. the next avatar should be able to contact all the past avatars
for those who thought it was bad that the avatar cycle was reset, remember that Uncle Iroh said to never judge each other, and to forgive people's mistakes.
Regarding how Wan is almost the opposite of what an avatar is expected to be, I think it's very similar to the difference between conquerors and kings. Someone who is good at forming nations or defining positions is not necessarily good at sustaining them. It took very un-avatar like qualities to acquire the power of the four elements, but when someone inherits that power they have a different responsibility to not let it go to their head -- especially since they did nothing to earn it in the first place. Humility has little place in the acquisition of power, but goes far in the handling of it.
That is probably the greatest thing I've ever read in a RU-vid comments section. Hit the nail on the head. It probably took many, many tries in order to get the humble, level headed, wise Avatar we now have. I wish the series would dive deep into these other characters. There's so much lore we haven't uncovered.
But that's exactly it! I thought the same thing, Wan and Korra reflect one another in personalities, especially in the Avatar cycle. It's funny, Wan started the whole new cycle of what came to be "The Avatar." After Korra lost 10,000 years worth of Avatar History from the battle with Vaatu, she found the light within to diminish Vaatu. Hence, starting a whole new cycle of Avatars, just like Wan did. I love tangibility. Lmk what you think!
When you think about it, Korra is the avatar closest to Wan's personality and they both are the only avatars to fight vaatu and become the first avatar of their respective cycles.
While narratively speaking it's a great parallel but in reality it sucks. I give props to the creator for creating something new but the way they did it sucks. There's is no redemption to why the past avatars had to be destroyed. That is like saying "yeah we know no history of the pyramids, we used to know about it but somebody left their torches and everything caught fire besides the pyramid itself. "
@Nicho T then what would've been the point of any avatar show after ATLA? If you're gonna follow up on a show of that magnitude, you need something bigger. Adding Vaatu would've happened sooner or later. Because there would've just been thousands of years of Avatar, but only 3-6 be useful. It might have spiritual repercussions, or possibly physical ones. (Btw, Korra didn't shatter the Avatar cycle, she restarted it, and left as much history as she could about the past Avatar to the next one.)
iimonday x actually the next avatar wont have a pass life to talk to at all but korra made a book to help the next avatar even korra wont be the past life
Id have to say his character really defines the whole Ying yang idea "there is no darkness without a little light and no light without a little darkness" now this is just my opinion but it really brings back the whole idea of "bringing balance" which avatars are known for and overall this is just my idea but I think its a cool idea none the less
Wan:Korra,I'm the first avatar my name is wan Korra:Are you the wan and only Wan:Stop Korra:Are you gonna teach me the spirit stuff ya know wan on wan Wan:Please stop Korra:How did you know you were the wan Wan:I'm leaving
Aang "manipulated" as the Avatar too. Remember his disguises? Wan reminds me of Aladdin, in the sense that he thinks he's better than the bad guys, he likes to snub the people he hates with his display of superiority just to dis those who cause him hardship. Ultimately, he is good and selfless and uses his skills to help others. I think it's justified for him to act the way he does (stealing from the bad guys, being dishonest with disguise to get somewhere), because he's doing it for good, doing it for others and not just himself.
Yes and no see wan is like a spiritual and powerful force which inherits the chosen ones. All the avatar's have individual souls but connected to wan's soul/avatar
@@nareshkumarmajji8697 No, All the Avatars are just Wan's soul in different lifetimes There are plenty of evidences in both series 1. Raava said "We" will be together through all of "your" lifetimes, before he died 2. When Korra saw Aang, he said you finally connect to your "spiritual self" 3. Lin told Tenzin I can't believe your gentle spirited father reincarnate into that girl 4. When Korra met Iroh in spirit world, Iroh said to Korra This teapot was yours, "when you were Avatar Wan" 5. Toph called Korra "twinkle toes" when they first met The past avatars are memories reserved in Raava, not souls So when Raava was destroyed, Korra's connect to her past lives was severed Because those memories died with Raava I don't know why some people still get confused about Avatar cycle Maybe gender is the issue Reincarnation means you could be anyone in your next life, including being different gender
This is a really interesting take, considering those almost translate to the elements. Earth builds, air balances, fire destroys. I feel like the arc of the next avatar (if we ever see it) could reflect the qualities of water. Heals?
I nearly gave up watching The Legend of Korra until they introduced Wan. He was imperfect yet fun to watch and root for, unlike Korra and her constant selfishness.
Yess this was me. After I seen how much I liked wan I realized I wanted more of this than LOK. I just pretend this show beside this episode didn’t happen
I admit it was shocking to see but I saw it as an opportunity for the writer's to explore what it's like to be the avatar without the past connections.
@@NikeWavy apparently in the books its says the next avatars have no connection at all not even to Korra I guess just read that somewhere in the comments. i hate when writers ruin perfectly good stories
The series after korra is 101% about the new avatar trying to reconnect to his/her old lives as the spirit of korra always tells her that she wasn't the first avatar and that the new avatar needs to reconnect to them which can make a very interesting plot sooo
I feel like Wan was the most human and believable avatar. The ones that came after it's like things came more naturally and they were also more respected/feared.
I’ve said it once and I will say it again: I SHOULD’VE SEEN A WHOLE SERIES FOR WAN. I loved every moment they showed of him. It would’ve been awesome to see more in depth the struggles he faced as he chased after peace. I also would’ve loved to see his bond with Raava grow into something so deep that even his last word were for her. Wan’s life journey was so interesting to me. His drive and heartbreak at separating two worlds he cherished and then going on to try his best to help others live in harmony was amazing to watch. Honestly, he was just great overall. Yeah he might’ve been cocky and not really humble at certain moments, but he used those aspects of himself to try to help others. He had a reason to be who he was. I have mad respect for him. A true legend who I will never get over. (Although I love Aang a bit more haha)
I think lot of the stories that ended up being explained in flashbacks from LOK and comics wasnt the best idea. They could've made animated films or shows about some of the things shown. I
God I hated Wan. He was a thieving murderer who valued the lives of the spirits who FORCED humanity to live on some fucking turtle islands more than his own kind. He fucking killed two people because they wanted to bring back food for their people. The whole conflict of his story started because he made a dumbass assumption and stuck his foot in important spirit business that he had no place interfering with. He didn’t work for anything and got all of his powers fucking handed to him.
I liked the back story. It connected to the first series at least with Aang receiving the power to remove bending from the turtle. On top of that the entire reincarnation process makes sense with Raava just leaving the host's body and finding the next and her being the one that holds the other elements for the avatar. One thing that doesnt make much sense however is how Raava ended up choosing the Avatar based on what element he/she would be born with in cycles.
Blue Green Why would they denounce Korra? She is a perfectly fine Avatar. And how the fuck would they ‘denounce’ her? TLOK is based around her, to denounce her is to denounce the show which is absolutely stupid. Just be glad that we are getting more seasons of ATLA, and that the next Avatar in the cycle would be an Earth bender which is gonna be awesome.
@@freddykrueger8076 Because her whole identity and entitlement was based on being the avatar and she barely had character development. So it's no wonder that people don't like her as a protagonist.
I don't consider Korra to be apart of the avatar series. I barely liked the first 1 1/2 of the series. Didn't even finish it past Mako's brother engaged to her psycho cousin. So. yeah. I think AtlA to be the only real Avatar series.
Vii X I will never understand this mentality man but to each his own... LOK is part of the lore whether you liked it or not. I love ATLA and LOK and all the lore of this amazing world.
Vii X Of course it’s not as good as ATLA and I am no fan of the WOKE vagina power type stuff but nevertheless it is still part of the story. And there were definitely some good story arcs in it.
