Hey everyone! What are your personal thoughts on artists lip-syncing in concerts and performances? I know there are different modes of thought and I would love to discuss. Comment down below & I'll try to get back to you 👇🏾
I haven't watched the vid yet but my current opinion on it is, NO. like, lip-syncing for like, maybe one part of the song or a few difficult songs is ok ig, but if you do it for the majority of the concert or for the most basic, easiest songs then you shouldn't have released music that you're not even able to sing. Like, you could've pitched the song to another artist and still got paid and got credit for writing it, or you could've adjusted it to make it singable before releasing it... Also, I don't think it's an excuse when there's a lotta dancing involved so you don't sing and you lipsync. Like what do you think the backup dancers r here for...? But that's just my opinion, I wouldn't know ❤
@@GabrielleBuko interesting, and I generally agree. If you can’t sing the song and it’s an easy song, not vocally challenging then it does seem like a major copout to lip-synch consistently. However, I do fall on the lines of if there are dancing numbers & that’s your specialization as a performer , your audience is probably coming to see that so people may not mind as much
Idk… when someone like Britney literally lip syncs everything, I don’t mind bc at least she’s giving a performance, but if ppl like Taylor swift (and I don’t think she lip syncs a lot but she’s very different from Britney performance-wise) were to lip sync everything, I would be so critical lmaooo
for real!! he sounded good. I guess people were expecting his voice to sound processed like in the studio version. Most people don't know what live singing is
I agree. He was on key, and had good support and projection for being in his falsetto, which isn’t something most guys off the street can do. Male falsettos tend to have a more whiny sound to them just given their natural placement in a male singer’s range. Look at artists like Prince, who fully leaned into that in a very melodramatic, almost campy sort of way. Not saying Tommy Richman is as good as Prince, but I honestly don’t know what they were expecting him to sound like singing that part live.
Yeah, I think that’s where I stand for the most part! It is possible to sing live and dance, but I also think it depends on the type of vocalist you are as well.
@@Jay99939999 I agree. As much as I love our uncle usher, I want him to lip sync when he’s dancing. I don’t want to hear his heavy breathing anymore. He doesn’t need to prove anything, like that’s it dude, you won! Turn the track on please😂😅. Idk if it’s just me but I can’t stand hearing certain mouth noises in the mic it’s so gross. Like the people who like ASMR and all that whispering ughhhhh it sends shivers down my spine and not in a good way. Lol
While he sounded ok vocally, one of the problems with Tommy’s performance overall is that he wasnt really performing. The vocals on the track are unique, with a funk, kind of Prince vibe. They should have been paired with an evocative performance and maybe even a live band arrangement. Not him walking back and forth lackadaisically on stage to a backing track. The art of performance is missing these days. The performance elevates the live vocal.
Also, a lot of people don't realize that autotune can now be used live. You still need to sing decently to use autotune, but it can give some artist a lot help live.
I was literally about to say vocoder is definitely the other side of lip syncing ive heard it the most with the rnb artist I’ve seen live and the average ear will still consider that a “live” performance
coming from a musical and classical, pop, AND theatre vocal background, tommy’s live performance did not sound bad AT ALL. he was very pitch accurate, has a very smooth falsetto, and sounded exactly like the studio version. anyone who is complaining about the way he sounds, literally has never heard a man sing in live falsetto before
Oh one final thought: TikTok/RU-vid has broken people’s brains. All of those singers singing “live” on kitchen counters and shit are confusing people because those are NOT real live vocals. They’re either pre-recorded and lip synced or they’re recorded live but edited in post. So consumers now have unrealistic expectations as to how actual live vocals sound.
Omg thank you for mentioning this! I’ve seen a lot of those “covers” and it’s clearly a pre-recorded vocals acting like they’re singing that in their kitchen. And if you look in those comments, a lot of people think that it’s real or live. And it’s not! I think you’re right that people are losing the perception of what live truly is
yes omggg this is something that bugs me about new artists, while it’s so beneficial to promote songs that way, it’s so harmful to performers who will suffer from this new expectation of live vocals to sound as perfect as they do on those videos
I'm proud of Tommy. He didn't sound bad. His voice was consistent with the recorded version. You can still tell its him. I miss when artists were required to sing live (within reason). I hope he's not discouraged and continues to grow as an artist.
Yesss, if anything I hope he listens to the people who were giving him props for being brave enough in this day and age to try something completely live or that he's listening to those who had genuinely helpful suggestions
Right I think it was the production to be quite honest because its already a highly engineered song so them at least adding a backtrack wouldve really boosted the quality
To me, live performance is the total intimate experience of performing. The singer or musician can improvise their performance. I feel that when lip synchronization happens, it is buying clothes on the rack instead of custom-made, making an analogy. The factorization of lip synchronization lacks creativity.
Tommy sounded objectively good. The mixing of the volume of the backing track with his microphone could’ve been more balanced but his voice sounded very good especially as he was singing completely live
Tommy didn’t sound bad at all, he sounded great. People are so used to backing tracks and stacking. So when he sung live they were taken aback from how raw it was
I feel bad that people were clowning Tommy. The studio version has a lot of filters/effects on his vocals in the chorus to make it sound like it does in the studio. It’s not possible to replicate that exact sound with a raw live vocal. Going forward I think he should have that part be a backing track and sing the lower parts fully live.
Yeah i agree! I completely respect that he tried to do it completely live but I just think with the kind of song it’s near impossible to replicate that same sound. So I think if he tweaks some things, like you said use the vocal stacks in the backtrack and I think it’ll sound a lot better and more full
Leave the main vocal line to the backtrack on this part and _give us ad libs_ With the amount of live renditions that have become iconic because of live-only adlibs, I'm often curious as to why so few artists strive for that.
The art of lip syncing and singing live can go both ways. If an artist wants to preserve their voice as they grow old in age, then there will be instances where there will be prerecorded vocals. But on the other hand, it can be a chopping block on who actually has the pipes as heard on their record. But I’m neutral on the topic at hand, just do what’s comfortable.
Yeah i think i fall on the neutral side of the spectrum, I think there’s many reasons why lip-synching makes sense . But, there’s some artist who hardly ever sing live & I think that’s somewhat questionable. There’s a lot of people who feel very strongly about it.
Lip syncing isn't a bad thing but the prerecorded vocals shouldn't be taken straight from the original studio track. If I want to hear the official studio version, I can just play them on Spotify. I think artists should pre record new live vocals with less effect. At least we get something "new" from them.
Most older artists tend to go down the route of either lowering the songs or dodging some of the notes rather than lip syncing but I guess it depends on the genre
This is honestly a great conversation to have. In my opinion, some artists have to sing live because of their style/genre of music. I can understand a high octane pop girly using a back track but with artists like Adele or some RnB artists, then it's unacceptable. Plus live performances will always provide a certain flare that the record won't have like different riffs, which makes the experience all the more entertaining.
Exactly! If you’re a vocalist and you’re singing is the main act then you really should be singing live as much as you can (unless if there’s vocal damage, etc., I can understand) but if you’re an overall performer, a lot of people do pay to see you perform so it does depend
Personally i don't want someone to sound the way they do on the track live. Now GRANTED i still want them to sing good lets not get that twisted. But your live now show the peeps what you can do add some flair and tricks
This is super fair and honestly realistic! It’s like people get mad that an artist doesn’t sound like the track , which makes me think that people really don’t care about if it’s live or not. That’s what’s exciting about life performances when people really sing bc there’s this excitement and freshness brought to a song that doesn’t exist on the track
Same!!! Why do I want to go to a live concert if the artist sounds exactly the same to the audio file I can listen to practically all of the time in the comfort of my home??? Give me NOTE CHANGES and LIVE BAND INTEGRATIONS!!! Give me RAW EMOTIONS and those little human imperfections that always get erased when mixing/producing the tracks!!!
I don't think many listeners factor in how much production has changed vocal performance. Because of techniques like vocal stacking and layering even the softest sounds can be boosted to a very full sound in the mix of a track 🎛 allowing today's singers to really experiment. But often times over a full band/orchestra/or sound system certain tones don't carry or achieve a full resonance 🔊 in the room. That why everyone from Mariah, Prince, MJ 👑 have songs in their discography 📀 that they've never attempted live. But they also recorded many other songs around their middle voice which are arranged 🎼 in a way that provide a great build for live performance.
I have seen Janet Jackson 5 times all across the country. I just saw her last Thursday. She DEFINITELY SINGS LIVE throughout the show not only during the slow songs.
I’ve never been to a janet show but my mom has multiple times and actually went to a recent show for her current tour! I’ll have to watch some of the tour performances
EXACTLY!! In fact, I have watched some of her concert tours on RU-vid and she DEFINITELY SINGS LIVE and that's impressive considering that she is SINGING AND DANCING AT THE SAME TIME FOR THE MAJORITY OF HER CONCERTS, which is another reason why she deserves her flowers because she is clearly the epitome of what its called a TRIPLE THREAT.
@@CamrynSuzanne watch performance from her Janet. Tour in 93/94. She did a whole NYE special on MTV singing Live. Watch her Rhythm Nation concert from Tokyo 90. And Velvet Rope at MSG 98
When ariana performs 7 rings, she sings the verses but puts the mic down and dances for the chorus. Because 7 rings is not a vocally challenging song, it's okay to just not sing half of it. We know she could if she wanted to. Beyonce will change the live arrangement of a song to add a dance break if needed. In general, I prefer vocals being the main event, but different songs require different styles of performance. 🌴
Yeah, this is a great example of vocalists using a backtrack sparingly or for certain songs because it may call for it. If you have a little dance break, it can make sense to not sing for that portion of the song
Here is how I feel: If at some point, the singer can prove that they can sing similar to their recording, lip syncing is fine when 1. Sick 2. Bad Weather in Outside Venues 3. Medical restrictions things like asthma, pregnancy There are always bad days for the greatest singers, like a guitarist who breaks their wrist or hand, gets carpel tunnel, etc. If you are only a studio artist, then don’t perform. If you are a live performer who sounds imperfect sometimes, you are human. If you sound incompetent, I will raise my brows.
this is a pretty realistic merit. I think people forget that it is taxing to tour and do shows often. I also loved how you mention the venue making a difference as well. When people get so angry at lip syncing, I find that they're not taking those factors into account
I saw videos of Kendrick Lamar's performances on the Mr. Morale tour and I thought to myself, underground or mainstream, big or small venue If given the opportunity to perform and people spent hard earned money to see me? I gotta give them everything. I feel like once you start making music, you GOTTA show how dedicated you are with every aspect.
That's why I always say not everyone can be Beyonce😂 To be able to sing and dance and sound good and not winded you have to TRAIN for that. But even with her she has lip-synced to prerecorded vocals before which I don't blame her for cuz her shows require so much of vocals and dancing. Like I think some artists should be given grace especially in these times where labels are not forcing them to develop but the audience is.
There's irony with Le Serrafim lip syncing. Kpop idols lip sync all the damn time for multiple reasons. I can think of groups like Itzy who usually sing live while being a DANCE based kpop group. If a group goes to chochella, lip syncing is of course going to get treated differently. I wouldn't have a problem with lip syncing as long as companies were more honest about it and everyone knows it's going to be that way (so just take the mics off then.) And live vocal performances are going to have voice cracks and flaws. That's how voices and physics work lol. That's what's cool about live performances, you hear that struggle, and you get a human quality to the singing.
Thanks for adding more context around the kpop side of things, it sounds like it’s the dishonesty that’s frustrating for fans vs the actual act of lip syncing . And i agree, a live show isn’t supposed to be perfect. What’s fun about live is the human aspects of it. Social media got people thinking that everything has to be flawless…on and offline
as whitney once said, i only listen to SINGERS. backing tracks to fill in that vocal layering is always welcome but you should be able to perform your music live or stripped down. lip syncing should only be utilized when artists are sick or on vocal rest. otherwise you might as well go to a drag show cause at least they’ll give you some stunts and tricks.
I’m often shocked by the public’s inability to identify pre-recorded “live” vocals (i.e. AR). Most performances today are a mix of live and AR and a lot of people get fooled. The unfortunate consequence of people being so accustomed to this today, is that you will sometimes hear authentically live raw audio criticised as “shaky” or poor quality because they’re used to 80% AR performances. I saw Usher’s SuperBowl Halftime show criticised for poor audio quality and a shaky vocal, but Usher opted to sing fully live, while dancing, with very minimal playback, which is extremely rare to see nowadays. Between having pitch correction in live mics, and being able to fix any mistakes in post, it begs the question, what is truly ‘live anymore anyway’? 🌴
Literally, i would say a small small fraction of performances are completely live. And thanks for pointing Usher out, absolutely crushed the superbowl while singing live, dancing and giving a show. The last of a rare breed
That Whitney House National was sung LIVE! Not only did her best friend Robyn confirm it in her book and she was there in person. Also BlackMusicArchive has a GREAT VIDEO on Whitney’s Voice and explains how you can tell that the performance is in fact LIVE. You can even see in the clip that Whitney’s tongue is vibrating and the tongue only vibrates when air is being pushed over it. Her body language too shows she’s singing. You can literally see her body working during the performance. If you think Whitney couldn’t easily sing that LIVE you should put her AMA 1993 performance, Billboard Awards 91 performance, World Music & Grammy performances live in 93
To quote the great Wendy Williams: “I can take her lip syncing all day. Who cares? We know the girl can sing… if I wanted to hear her sing, I’d play a CD” She said this in regards to Mariah Carey and later Britney I believe
Oh, I haven’t heard this quote! I see what she’s saying tho. For me this works for the all around performer like a Britney Spears! Usually from my vocalist at want to hear most of their performance live at the very least
@@CamrynSuzanneI definitely agree that a Britney show is more about the performance than the singing! I think Wendy has a preference for the spectacle of things just cause she has such an audacious stage persona herself.
without lip syncing artists will lose their voices! They can't be singing live all the time, I think artists should sing live on broadcasted shows, but other than that they should preserve their voices
@@xandercrew6088 so you're saying musical artists shouldn't exist? Because as far as I know there isn't a single human or living being on this planet who's immune to vocal damage.
@@SoaringSparklesoh god your logic is so flawed 😂😂😂 -- listen sparkles, they are LITERALLY CAREER MUSICIANS”, singing is what they do… they’re charging audiences to do their work LIVE in front of them -- not pretend. These artists are known for their music and if they aren’t making their music they are lying to their fans. Vocal wear and tear as you age is fine, DECEPTION IS NOT. The music industry goes so far into making the lie look real because it is shameful and most people would look down upon it if they knew how fake it was 😂😂😂😂
@@xandercrew6088 I literally said they should sing live on broadcasted shows, and you can calm down with your emojis and paragraphs, it's not that serious and I don't know you, have a good day
Super fair! You do want to see what you’re paying for to some capacity, if it says a live show is definitely not wrong to be disappointed about it not being really live at all
Its so hard to watch people like Alicia Keys who I know can sing mess up and people scrutinize her but will say people like Mariah the scientist who have heavy engineered live vocals (not even good ones she sounds like a robot), don't play an instrument, dont dance or anything but people will say "Omg goalsss shes doing so much better" its sickening
Fair foresure! I saw a vid of mariah the scientist at her tour and her mic had clear pitch correction to the point it sounded so inauthentic. That was her solution after those bad live performances went viral
THIS!! I keep seeing people say "oh Alicia Keys can't sing" "her voice always cracking" like ok? Singers mess up all the time...as someone who LOVES her music, it's frustrating tbh
I’m so glad you mentioned studio vs live artists - its so true. The sad part is recording music and video have made people appreciate actual live artists so much less. I know so many artists who I’ve seen live and they are AMAZING would blow half the talent in the industry out the water - but that magic is hard to record on a phone or in a studio so they struggle to connect to a larger audience in todays industry. Personally I just find it difficult to replicate the energy I feel from a live crowd and the excitement and joy in something like a studio or to a camera because theres something very… cold about trying to perform to a piece of technology. Its really off putting and rather than rehearsing for a show that is essentially one take, you are driving yourself insane trying to record every word and line perfectly and look great and sound great and be interesting and then have to mix it all to sound something like a “live sound”. All respect to “studio” artists who really are like music geeks to me that can utilise all this technology that can put out some amazing product on the internet. I dont want to downplay that art. But equally it takes so much time and effort, I get why these artists then go on a stage and with or without all the effects, their performance feels lackluster. Performance artists spend all that time rehearsing, getting fit, thinking of new ways to entertain and engage the crowd. And trying to do both - its like juggling an elephant and a baby lol
so many good songs or songs that we bop to and have fun with have the background vocals recorded by the artist, there is layering there are so many things that happen post recording that you just can't replicate in live. that is why so many songs sound very good and some don't. breathe control, first time performances so many things are involved. unless you don't practice you don't get good. quote literally there is no winning for the artists
That’s the keyword here, there’s no winning on a wide scale. With a lot of the effects that can be produced in the studio and stacking like you said it’s nearly impossible to replicate that truly live. And I don’t think the audience member has the knowledge or even thinks about that! Which leaves the vulnerable and the hand of critics were actually attempting a true life performance
@@CamrynSuzanne i think we as the audience just assume everything will sound like the recorded version. but if you wanted the recorded version why even go and see the artist live? of course the live and recorded are different.
I had to remind myself that not everyone can/needs to graduate from the beyonce school of performing arts and my expectations became a lot more realistic with how many live shows i be going to
Sir John, how could you throw shades at Madonna & Janet when you have collaborated with Britney Spears?! And no Miss Spears, you do not sing, your mic is off since 1998! 😂 Personally I don’t wanna pay to go and listen to a CD, I’d rather listen to mistakes and imperfections, those gives colors to the experience IMO! Awesome video as always 💜
I deeply enjoyed this video! I really love how you mentioned kpop as well! The leseraffim drama has been so frustrating especially considering how difficult their choreos are. I think more fans need to form a more nuanced understanding of what it’s like being an idol and need to stop expecting the unexpected. In reality kpop is a heavily manufactured and artificial genre so not everything is gonna be live and real. It’s always been that way.
Exactly 24:03 for so long, I used to think that even if K-Pop is manufactured like crazy at least the artists have proper years of training and are well-rounded entertainers because they sing, dance, and for some write and produce most of their songs or so I thought. 😅 I recently discovered that some groups from the 4th generation are no longer living up to the standards established by their elders, mostly because of their greedy recording labels. Add this to the fact that their technology is so cutting-edge that it sets their lipsync on a whole other level compared to their western counterparts. I was quite baffled and disappointed. I'm not judging any of them, though. I just feel bad because vocal damage is a serious issue, which is most of the time irreversible, and artistic credibility is something that is losing its relevance way too quickly. The industry will suffer even more from this because we improve when we are challenging the standards we observe and look up to. Unfortunately, nowadays, the bar is so low. Where are the live performances you were thinking about all day, the experiences you were so proud to have lived that you were almost harassing your entourage with that one show you attended even years later. You desperately wanted to go back again and again because of the sweet taste the artist left in your mouth. Now, why will I pay the same price, if not more, if I have the better version on streaming every day of the week for way less. The benefits no longer outweigh the drawbacks (distance, safety, time...) and what they don't seem to notice is that the concerts are one of their biggest cash flow (in) they are hurting themselves (mostly the new comers that don't have a name yet and need people to give them a shot) way before the labels who are bagging that money from publishing rights and sometimes recording/masters. Kudos to all the artists out there who are fighting hard to give us that spark we are craving.
It sounds like a lot of these record labels is the culprit (at least in kpop), when it comes to portraying perfection and curating every singular detail. I also agree that vocal damage contributes heavily to why some artists use lip-sync (hopefully sparingly)
I honestly despise playback and lip syncing. It's okay for taking a break from jumping and dancing, but just for a few seconds, not the whole song. I love when I watch old BMTH shows, you really hear the vocal cracks, the breathing, being exhausted, etc. I adore the authenticity.
My problem with essesive lipsync is that makes boring to watch the same song multiple times. I like the variation, improvisations, expressiviness, new word emphasys.
So true, I think the exciting nature of life performances is hearing something different from the track & usually that’s a live performance does for you
Thing is it all depends on the performance. Like someone said, if I go see Adele, Elton or for example Susan Boyle or Mariah and Whitney (if she were still alive, bless her soul). Like I know I’m going to hear vocalists whose appeal mostly lays in the voice, then I want to hear them sing. Especially because that’s all the value there is to their performances: they wear great dresses and perhaps have great talking breaks moments but their performance is centered around the voice. If I go seeing an artist like Britney or Janet Jackson and Madonna, I know that they might not be singing live, but to compensate for that they give everything else: dance, concepts, visual effects, dancers, theatrics. Like there are artists like a Beyoncé Gaga and Pink who have a good balance of being able to give dance, theatrics, special effects and also vocals. Also, singing over backing track that is backing vocals shouldn’t be considered anything bad or “scammy” considering that a lot of songs we hear in studio versions often are made with vocals getting stacked, even in those tracks thst you wouldn’t be able to tell
As a Kpop Fan that is included in many different fandoms. Kpop fans in general have very unrealistic expectation of idols because of their image of being perfect. From them looking from an another world to being good at dancing and stuff, there is an unrealistic expectation of them being perfect, and that's why people are mad at them for lipsyncing. Their expectation isn't matched up with what they can actually do realistically. Another thing that could've built up this expectation is the tough training system that idols go through before debuting in a group. Many fans expect the idols to be amazing and perfect everything you can do on stage. That's also the reason why many newer groups get alot of hate for having mediocre vocals or lipsyncing. The examples you showed (LE SSERAFIM and IVE), both were rookies during those clips (The LE SSERAFIM Clip was little under two years after debut, and IVE Clip was under a year since debut). Understandably, they can't sing live for every performance so they need to do this, but fans' unrealistic expextation of them being perfect vocalist during debut is creating these kinds of backclash. If we take senior groups like BTS or Blackpink or Twice even, most of the backclash that they get isn't related to lipsyncing. (To bring out my defensive Kpop fan side, I want to give some context for the clips that you specifically used. The member shown in the clip is Kazuha, and her sole purpose when she got into the lineup was to replace someone else that was there previously. Therefore, she had way less training time to train her vocals and dancing for that matter. She also didn't train her vocals before getting into the lineup, and that's because she was a ballet dancer before training and had been doing that since her childhood. She has been trying to improve her vocals ever since debut. Coachella didn't show that of tho. Then the IVE clip is of two members Wonyoung and Leeseo, and there's a specific moment where you can hear and see the lipsyncing, and that's the highnote of the song which Wonyoung is doing. I am not arguing that this wasn't the best choice, because you can clearly see her not doing the highnote because of her movements, It definetly looks like she's not putting enough power in- to make it look realistic. Now for the backclash towards this clip isn't purely because she lipsynced, but because she had already been getting hate at that time. Their group was getting hate for supposedly being rude towards other idols and staff, and other stuff which I won't get into. So this video of her clearly lipsyncing didn't help, but the video was mostly used to hate her even more. One last thing, for the most part, it isn't the group or the idols themselves that get to choose if the lipsync or not, it's mostly the company and/or the show or whatever that chooses. So all of the backclash that the idols get, should honestly go to the company, but we kpop fans lack common sense :/. Btw thank you for reading this whoever you are, have a nice day! )
10:25 This is what Tommy needs. His voice was fine, his production let him down. Play the hook with backing vocals to give it more presence. Get 2/3 dancers to match the energy because he obviously needs to be slow to sing it. Watch how people receive him after that.
i would loveeeeee to see more artists singing with background singers!! i think artists really underestimate the magic of seeing a live singer with live background vocalists, and how much $$$ we'd pay to see it. if artists like ariana grande toured with a dozen background singers, people (myself included) would go wild
@@jaidenboucher0 i agree with this!! there’s also just something so fun about seeing the artist in the background singers vibe with each other and create a fun energy on stage! Hence why I love tiny desk performances because the background singers get a chance to shine
Elton John has A LOT of nerve coming for Janet Jackson! Maybe he should try performing “Rhythm Nation” live while executing that choreography perfectly before he opens his mouth.
There’s levels to it, if you’re singing and giving me a SHOW, I’m not gonna care too much about you lip syncing or having a backing track. But if you’re just walking around or sitting, baby where are the VOCALS?! Also, Tommy sounded fine. That’s how the song sounds. Idk what people’s issue with that is. 🌴
I feel like any performer who dances, especially skilled dancers like Brittany Spears and Beyonce get a pass for lip syncing, but due to the culture, they often opt for singing or even mixing vocals live so that they can support any weaknesses they encounter due to the physical demands of the choreography.
As an artist that uses a lot of stacks & layers in my vocals, I usually leave those background harmonies along with the chorus in the music and just take out the main vocal whenever I perform live. That way the essence of the song isn’t lost and I think that’s what happened with Tommy here. I think if he would’ve left in his chorus and any other BGVs he did, it would’ve translated better. Also I made it to the end for sure! 🌴 lol
I know that this may come off as off topic but its on topic too. In KPOP, idols REPUTATIONS are destroyed over these lipsyncs allegations. And if the artists sing with their reall voices and its not up to par with the studio version,....CAREER su!c!de. Perfect group for this is HYBE GG Le Seraphim. The companies ignorance has completely tarnished their reputation, just because of lipsyncs and mediocre vocals....like bad mediocre and coming back from that when over 10 groupe are debuting every two months......scary stuff
@@strawberrysolar9086 they shouldn't have. People kept on telling the company that they should give the girls a hiatus to recoup themselves after the anti fragile era. They constantly told the company that the girls needed to work on their voices...but source said naaahhh, we want the bag by any means necessary...and they released the autotune messes of Easy and perfect night. And now you can just tell that the documentary was to create sympathy off of a temporary issue that the company themselves created. But oh well......just have to wait and see fingers crossed
There is a lot of pros on doing new arrangements for live performances. Its exclusive for attendees. Can let the more challenging parts on play back or back vocals, special guest, autotuned devise.
I’m actually very proud of the fact that Beyoncé has only lip synced like 2% of her performances across almost 30 years and it’s NEVER the full performance. Usually ppl who sing for as long as she has and actually performs at the level she does, would lip sync A LOT more. But that breath control and overall skill of hers is unmatched. And she’s NEVER lip synced a sole vocal performance that doesn’t include anything other than her voice, which sounds beautiful no matter what and gets better with age. Queen. 👸🏾 Her Super Bowl performances and her Coachella performance being 100% Live is insane. But ppl will still play on her name. Roseland, Wynn Las Vegas, the Beyoncé experience, I AM, Renaissance, you name it. All 100% live with a few songs have backing tracks that she sang along with (usually the uptemp songs that aren’t super vocal heavy). Or she has her backup singers.
@@CamrynSuzannedefinitely. And that’s no shade to those who do lip sync more bc lip syncing does actually serve a purpose, for singers mainly and that’s preservation. So I don’t get all tight bc of someone lip syncing esp if they’re giving a full show. I just get lil tight when they compare those ppl to her. Just like how you really can’t compare ppl after MJ to him, you really can’t compare anybody after Beyoncé to her either. They’re the anomalies of their times
this is probably the 3rd video I’ve seen ? I’m enjoying watching these videos, good format, truly unbiased content and just being a good creator with substance 🌴 💜
Long time k pop fan here and I have thoughts. The Le Sserafim controversy runs DEEP and some aspects of it are genuinely just bonkers and nonsensical, B U T one thing I can't argue with: they should be better. This is a problem particularly with newer k pop groups, they are overproduced, the emphasis is on looks and visuals and these people cannot sing or can only do it in an extremely controlled environment that doesn't translate well to high energy live performances (which is basically k-pop's bread and butter). And using the "it's just a lot of dancing" excuse doesn't cut it here because you have older groups, like SHINee, mamamoo or exo who also have choreography, often intricate and still deliver incredible vocals at the same time. There's even a video of the shinee members singing live while doing pull ups and not missing a note even though it wasn't a "real" performance and it was just an encore stage where idols are only supposed to joke around and aren't expected to give a lifetime performance. Some members of Le Sserafim, particularly Sakura, have been in the industry for A DECADE and still can't hold a note. She was an idol in Japan before moving to Korea, she's been performing since she was little and she still can't sing at all and claims she's terrified of singing in front of people. I'm sorry babygirl, but if you have that problem you're in the wrong career. We don't have the right to send death treats or bully these people of course, but we do have the right to complain about bad performances when we are the ones paying these people their insane wages. If I do my job poorly for an extended amount of time, I am fired. But these idols can just continuously give us mediocre performances, show no signs of improvement and then go cry about hate comments on their social media and we just let it slide while continuing to line their pockets? Insane behaviour.
Tommy’s performance needed background vocals behind it. It’s not like he sounded like Jennifer Lopez or Selena Gomez. Am I the only one who thought his vocals weren’t bad. It just felt empty.
i think it heavily depends on a genre/artist! an artist with remarkable (or unique!) vocal skill or perhaps a rock musician will face harsh critique for using lypsincing - but some of the heavily produced pop tunes can sound underwhelming live, and it's better to focus on great visuals and stage presense (i also can't really imagine k-pop artists doing complex choreography & singing live at the same time? will there even be time to breathe in this scenario?) btw love your vids! not even that invested in pop culture, but strangely drawn to the topics you discuss
Yes! This absolutely is where the nuance comes in and I don’t think a lot of music consumers are very honest about that and just become very overly critical without weighing all of these factors. Also thank you so much for watching ☺️🫶🏽
Watch the video of Tori Kelly & Jacob Collier recording for the Bridge Over Troubled Water track, she says at one point it HAS to be performed live to remain authentic as an artist
imo backtracking is totally fine if you don't use it as a way to "hide" your true vocals. like i know the artist isn't singing live when they're doing a backflip, but does it bother me? no! bc they're not trying to deceive anybody. It's literally just for the sake of the performance but lipsyncing the WHOLE TIME and LYING about it? big no no
Yeah, a lot of comments were pled with that versus actually offering useful tips. Which is why I wanted to highlight some of them in this video and there’s been a lot of people in the comments chiming into respectfully.
22:58 _"I came a cross a couple of K-pop groups that were accused of lip syncing"_ couple? 90% OF KPOP GROUPS NOWADAYS ARE LIP SYNCING 😅😂 sadly I left Kpop world bcoz of this , I got tired of normalizing lip syncing in kpop performances 🥲
I think the production & creative arrangement behind Tommy's performance is the culprit. You have an artist like FKA Twigs as a perfect example IMO of an artist who is able to creative beautiful live renditions of pretty challenging and complex studio songs. Her production and arrangements stay on point- and we can feel the effort in the audience. But I think this all kind of just goes back to the discussion of the presence of actual artistry in the music biz rn
I would agree that most of this falls on the production side. And let me find out! I really like FKA twigs performance, but I haven’t really seen a lot of live ones. I’m definitely gonna research some after this because she does have some heavily produce songs, but i’m curious to see how she arranges them!
@@CamrynSuzanne I saw her live back in 2019 after Magdalene came out and it was ethereal how everything came together! Her NPR Tiny Desk was also extremely beautiful and well done-the perfect example of artistry IMO. I highly recommend!
It's a tricky one honestly. I feel like it's an honorable thing whenever artists choose to sing live, because it brings something different. And at a concert? They should be expected to perform at least a noticeable part of the music live (as in backing tracks, can help with harmonizing or making it sound more like the recorded version) because if we wanted to hear the recorded version, we would just play it. That said, people go to concerts for the experience. I think that there can be a sweet spot reached. The important thing is understanding that live will not always sound like the recorded version for a multitude of reasons...like instrumentals/editing to sounds, so it would even be good if artists could at least try to find a way to perform the songs live that differs, but still sounds good! 😂 So that it's both a different experience and something achievable for the artist. If they want, they can train to be able to impressively replicate the recorded version, it is usually possible...they just have to want it and work. But songs don't always have to sound the same during performance. It adds to allure honestly. Like, some artists will sing one song with a different riff every night and still find a way to make it sound great.
@@lilimuyunda5030 you ate this comment up! I think it really shows the nuance in this conversation because there’s different reasons why lip syncing could be used, but it’s also a live show at the end of the day. I think audiences should manage their expectations to some capacity but also the artist like you said could do a different arrangement or adjust things so that the song sounds good in a live setting!
The kpop thing is more recent, the past 2 years companies that run the groups rather them have a flawless show so no one can hate on them even though a lot of groups can sing live. They just don’t wanna have something happen like the le sserafim ordeal. There’s a lot of groups that sing live and a lot that lip sync. But at concerts they usually sing live, I been to a few kpop concerts & you can tell the mic is on
Thank you for adding this context! It does make sense that they want to protect the group from hate because it goes along the lines of this video: people are mad either way! But it’s good to know that there are still groups that sing live because I don’t think that should deter artist from building that skill
@@CamrynSuzanne in kpop it’s really common for the music shows to be lip sync but concerts to be live. well live as in the song playing with the idols vocals being heard 😭
and in the le sserafim ordeal people were more so mad previously due to the members vocals being bad in an encore. for context, during the music show, whichever group or soloist wins they perform an encore (they sing without a backing track fully live) long story short, their last comeback, one of the members didn’t sound good and she’s been and idol for 10+ years and netizens were mad that she didn’t improve AND that the group didn’t sound as good coupled up with them shooting a music video in a church 😭
Camron the queen is here I was gonna get very annoyed that there are no videos😂😍 most artists especially performers they lip synch as a form to catch their breath from doing a lot but the reason why certain artists they get targeted is because again we live in a selective society
Hi Camryn, can you do a topic on stage fright and tips on how to get over it? I am also getting over how I look on camera when I sing. I sing in my videos but rarely show my face as I don't like how I look but I know it's because of how mean humans can be to others. I am learning the art of not caring what other people think or will think but it isn't always easy.
Okay I feel you, I might side more with Elton John on this one. Perhaps I could offer , Micheal Jackson - I don’t remember him lip syncing and he danced danced danced 🤷♀️ 🌴🌴🌴🌴🌴🌴🌴🌴🌴🌴
Michael did lip synced because he was sick but he did even before like at the Motown 25 show. MJ dealt with A LOT of physical issues and he shouldn’t really be in this conversation.
🌴 excellent video as always, I truly love the research you do analyzing how we got here. I particularly enjoyed the bit comparing overproducing songs to photoshopping photos. Well done. To me live music/shows require the same suspension of disbelief that going to the movies does. Horror films and superhero movies depend on their own logic vs a more slice-of-life comedy or drama.
honestly i think if ur gonna lipsync bc ur doing a bunch of dance thats ok... BUT some songs have gotta be less produce! i feel like with sm social media and the types of songs that get popular on tiktok etc everyone wants to rly produce their songs and while that can help u reach ur short-term goals of being viral, in the long-run if u wanna make a lasting legacy, that's not gonna work out 🌴
Exactly this! Understandably, most people are worried about that studio version because that’s what’s gonna go viral but I think they take a little regard to the live aspect and how to produce that in a live set
And no, there’s no difference between lip syncing and having your mic on with the backtrack 5x louder. I wouldn’t go to the concerts of most of my favorite rappers🥹
The Janet slander. That mic be on. Haha. I suppose if you want a kpop group that are praised for live vocals while dancing are Kiss of Life. For the latest gen of kpop they are the standard people should strive for imho.
