The Mark Steyn Show with Douglas Murray 

After watching the BBC this is like oxygen.

Erudition, calm, truth. Can this be television? Certainly not. This is RU-vid. And yet the spirit of inquiry is increasingly alive here. Hard conversations must not be approaching with weak, flinching equivocation. Murray and Steyn speak, and speak clearly. We need more like them.

. “To learn who rules over you, simply find out who you are not allowed to criticize.” - Voltaire

It is deeply disturbing that there is a very large percentage of native Europeans whose only response to these two polite, intelligent men assessing the objective facts and coming to the only obvious conclusions about what is happening and where it is leading to, would be to shout: "racists".

We give billions in aid to these poor countries but still they all want to move to Europe, what has happened to the money we spent ? Its like paying off your friend's mortgage but still all his family and relations want to move into your house.

To think of all the shit our grandparents went through thinking they were creating a doorway for us to walk through to a better life, they might as well never bothered, dreadful times

Douglas has been great since I first started listening to him around 2014 but he has really improved this last year into one of the most important public figures in the UK (Or Europe, or Western world) today. Asking the questions that need to be asked.

Very obvious an interview like this could never take place on modern TV. No interruptions, no talking over, no haranguing, just debate and civility. TV is finished. Universities are finished. The future of reason and intellectual pursuit is the internet.

You don't have to slow down the migration flow. What you need to do is first stop it, and then reverse it.

As long as there are men like Mark Steyn, the West has hope.

Multiculturalism works where there are two complimentary cultures, English gift for poetry mixed with clever ideas from Italian writers gave us genius of Shakespeare ,but there is no point in mixing opposing cultures.

"If you import the world, you import the worlds problems." Such a logical quote.

Keep the faith Douglas! You are not talking into a void - you are a beacon of light. Millions feel frustrated, screaming in agreement with the little boy who points out the emperor has no clothes but being drowned-out by mass knee-jerk, apologist bleating.

What blew the heart out of Europe was World War I and World War II. The lights went out in 1914 and never came back on.

Japan (imperialist power) - 98% Japanese Ireland (victim of imperialism) - 83% Irish Let that sink in, before liberals tell you that Europeans deserve this because of imperialism.

Two of the most courageous, articulate and informed commentators who I always make time to listen to. They can see with such clarity the folly of mass Muslim migration and carefully describe it's problems to the rest of us who are profoundly concerned but not as good expressing it calmly. If only the liberal elites right across government, media, academia and the entertainment industry had half as much concern and honesty.

Murray is brilliant and carrys Chris Hitchen's torch. He does not get enough widespread exposure.

I can not even imagine a soft landing for Europe.

It is astounding that both of these guys are thought of by the average person as being awful racists, when in fact they are both some of the most rational thinkers out there, ones who will be looked back on years from now as sages who were ignored until it was too late to save civilization.

Great interview; I really enjoyed it. It was refreshing to watch two intelligent, witty people discuss such weighty issues at length. My nervous system can no longer stand the soundbite interview where the host constantly interrupts or the guest has little more to offer than bumper sticker slogans. Thanks!

I love Douglas Murray, he never bangs on about being gay. It's almost as if (and bear with me here, this is a wacky concept) it doesn't...define him.

I visited Amsterdam last summer and the whole time I was there I had a great saddness within me seening so few Dutch people. The great city's of Europe are shell's of what use to be. I as a European (Irish) am gutted at what has become of the greatest city's on the planet. please if you are thinking of visiting Ireland, do not waste your hard earned money visiting Dublin. Go to the countryside if you want the "Irish" experience.

Douglas needs to enter politics, roll up his sleeves and start banging heads together. Writing books, articles and talking about it just isn't enough.

Two of my libertarian heroes, together! This was a joy to watch and hear!

About 26 minutes in, he's really getting to the heart of the question. You are never going to even want to preserve your culture if you've been raised from childhood being told by schools, the news media, the entertainment industry and sometimes even your family and friends that 1) all cultures are equally good and 2) your own culture has not only never contributed anything worthwhile in history, but that your culture has been the source of all the evil in the world! We're talking about generations raised with this poisoned thinking, both in Europe and in America as well. No wonder people don't want to preserve Western culture or individual countries! They've completely internalized the lie that we are NOTHING but evil.

Got to teach our kids about our traditions and culture...no one else will.

Wonderful talk. It's nice to see two educated and articulate people standing up for the value of our nations and the greatness that built them.

These two men are amongst the most respected by me.... we really do need more straight talkers like them!

I have been asking my French girlfriend (who now lives in US) for the last couple of years how she feels about this huge change in their culture and lifes, back home, and for the whole time she insisted that it's fine! The French are so proud and love their country so much, they would never allow for what I was insinuating to happen!?! Now she is in shock!! For me it's been excruciating to watch this train wreck happen and everyone around wearing rose colored glasses and be ignorant, while they act offended!

If single incomes were high enough to raise a family , many more couples would have large families. They hit the nail on the head.

Steyn is the best interviewer I've seen in a long, long time.

Great to see my two favourite public intellectual commentators taking a breather from "the war" and regrouping in this insightful broadcast.

The show I've been waiting for! Thanks Mark and Douglas!

Just read 'The Strange Death of Europe' ... brilliant book pulling many threads of Douglas' arguments over the past decade.

Murray's comment about the thousandths or millionth Afghan reminds me of the Rowan Atkinson bit about immigration where he says "I'm not against other cultures: I like curry. But we already have the recipe..."

Hey Mark love the show! Having the conversations we increasingly cannot have in work and with family. Not for long though.

Douglas is brilliant and foresighted. Wesren nation must take his advise to save what is left of Europe.

words words words... books and interviews... but nothing changes... it won't come down to politicians... or well educated, well spoken travelers of the globe to solve this... it's going to change when the ordinary meat and potatoes men have had enough and lay down the monkey wrench and pick up a weapon and fight...

Mark Steyn is one of the few political commentators that you could have a beer with. The guy is a legend

I'd like to hear Soros mentioned in any conversation about uncontrolled migration.

Steyn: "Can violence be avaoided?" Murray: "I hope so." Both men know that violence is now unavoidable, but they don't want to look as though they're advocating violence. Correctly predicting the future based on current trends is not advocating violence, anymore than Raspail was xenophobic for correctly predicting mass immigration would swamp Europe.

Many of us can see this and do our own small bit in fighting it, but we don't have a platform and our livelihoods are at risk. The key problem is that our governments, police and judiciary are against these people who are being criticised for not speaking up! That is something that needs to be addressed!

Love both of them! ❤️

I can't believe we lost Sweden to this hateful disgusting political system..So lets see, how many countries now have we lost?.. Syria. Egypt. Sudan. Libya. Lebanon. Jordan. Afghanistan. Anatolia. Yemen.. Help me out, I am sure there are more, but I cannot think of them at the moment.. Well the countries that I name were all Christian bar one and that was Afghanistan which was Buddhist/hindu and a mix of a few other pagan non hostile faiths..

Two of the best.

Europe, I appeal to you as an American, of German ancestry, *please* don't let these Islamists destroy our shared ancestral homeland. The west is the pinnacle of modern civilization. Europe is beautiful. Your cultures are beautiful - *Be proud*! You owe these "migrants" nothing, you have no reason to feel guilt. Imagine if the roles were reversed? Would millions of Europeans/Westerners be welcomed into​ any Muslim society with open arms? Would their governments support us with their tax dollars? No. I hope your governments and people come to their senses, before it's too late. Although, I fear it already might be. Godspeed.

"You're in the bondage dungeon and you suddenly realize there is no safe word" brilliant :D

The best show not on television!

Diversity translates to "No go areas"

Alexander Solzhenitsyn said it best: We are in this dreadful position "because [Western] Man has forgotten God." (see his Templeton lecture, online). And "cultural" Christianity won't cut it: only the one true Faith will do.

The best free thinkers on the planet. Period

The thing I find most amazing is that they do this talk and they speak so calmly and humorously. It's just their style which is lovely. However, they're literally talking about what could potentially lead to a civil war in 10-20 years from now unless it is addressed NOW. If it doesn't lead to a civil war, then that's even worse - it means modern Europe as we know it will be gone.

Superb interview. I think Mr. Murray, despite his spoken optimism, really knows the score. The Left and its handmaidens will not allow the discussion he rightly insists must happen, to actually take place. The problem will get worse out of a malignant neglect and, eventually, we will see more and more people like Anders Breivik taking matters into their own hands. People will correctly conclude that, if the State will not perform its most basic function and provide physical security to me and my loved ones, we will provide it ourselves, even in aggressive fashion.

I’m a big fan of Mark Stein, and I appreciate Douglas Murray’s asking such important questions.

27:01 "What seemed to be a sort of kink turned out to be fatal" "In other words you're in the bondage dungeon and you suddenly realise there is no safe word" Absolutely pissed myself. This is gold, great delivery too

It's good to see Douglas enjoying himself talking to someone that understands the issues and can go back and forth

I helped stop a snatch and grab robbery on the RER train while on holiday in France. We were coming back from the Palace of Versaille. A very well organised gang of Africans, straight out of Kinshasa.

These things exist on the embers of Christian thoughts I love this guy.

So glad I watched this. Most profitable 60 minutes I have spent today, hearing two intelligent people talk frankly about an issue which our political leaders and bien pensant commentariat would rather sweep under the carpet.

It was a delight to listen to these two articulate and well-informed men.

Awesome interview, Mark! Been watching both your and Douglas' videos on youtube for sometime now. I fully agree with both of you - mass immigration has been having significant detrimental effects on major western cities. I live in Vancouver, and here it's a different problem: mass immigration coupled with speculative real estate buying by foreign investors. Of course the government up until now has largely dragged its feet or denied such a thing has been happening, until last year when a foreign buyers tax was introduced. Well, that government has been kicked to the curb and now we have a new one. Ultimately, I believe that mass immigration and foreign speculative buying of real estate have destroyed the formerly quaint and laid-back nature Vancouver once was. Now, it's an non-stop construction site with cheap leaky condos, endless traffic, and multi-million dollar monster McMansions, luxury vehicles, and a lotta depressed-looking people. Very sad!

I've lived a number of years in London in the past, and I've always had a nostalgic liking for that city. But in the last decade or so, London no longer seems to be the London of my memories, and I've lost all desire to go there on holiday any more, and I find it very sad.

I'm only about 2 thirds through Douglas' book, so this is serving as a useful recap of some of the important points, with a Mark Steyn flavoured cherry on top.

The sad thing about watching this, is I can only like it once! Another quality upload.

Heavens know why it took me so long to get around to this, but damn was it worth it! Depressing (as reality often is), but most certainly worth it.

That was good. Thanks Steyn. I am looking forward to reading the book; I bought 2 copies so could give one away. They should be arriving finally this week; I am anticipatory.

I *loved* this, just loved it. Thanks so much to both for entertaining and enlightening!

A Fatal Flaw in Feminism: I was watching a Cassie Jaye video recently, on a woman named Sarah, who was talking about Jordan Peterson's University of Toronto, where right now, 33% of students are males, and 67% are female. And this trend is global. All universities are headed this way. Feminists didn't seem to think, this is a problem. Here's why this sort of trend, pushed by feminists, will destroy them: Women all want to marry up and across economic and dominance hierarchies. (Jordan Peterson has explained this, numerous times) Women at university want to marry men from university....they don't want to marry men who are lower than them in economic status. Most women at university want a boyfriend. But feminism pushed women into a large majority at university, creating a HUGE social problem for women......there are not enough men at school, and feminists naturally are dishonest about it....not even admitting it's a problem. Do the math: At the University of Toronto....the most politically correct university around...University Enrollment is now 67% female and 33% male....which means, for every 1,000 students, there are 330 men and 670 women....for the sake of simplicity assume most people will marry or at least pair bond with the opposite sex, at least at some point in their lives...and people generally do so, when they are young and roughly university age. Assume that every one of those 670 women are looking for a mate...most are. Assume they all find a guy at university. So what happens to the human pair-bonding math....for women and men...once women become the majority at university?....women are hurt....badly. How so? This new feminist paradise we now live in, means a shortage of 340 men for women at university....670-330 = 340 men,....who are not there to marry these women. They are the men, that feminists could care less about. Feminists don't see the gender enrollment gap as a problem for men or women, because they don't think logically, because they have been brainwashed by feminism, and because most feminists don't care about men....feminists are callous and gynocentric. And all this callousness gynocentrism leads to social blindness, which ironically ends up creating problems, for women. This female dominance at university is a very new thing, is happening everywhere, and the devastation it will cause for feminism, is coming down the train track. And my numbers are assuming the men at university only date women at university....and that is unlikely because, while women only marry across and up dominance hierarchies, men on the other hand marry across and down dominance hierarchies. Meaning? Meaning the girl taking the sociology or economics degree at university is competing with all the other women in society, for the economically dominant university men. That cute girl at Safeway, with a hot body, can easily out-compete an average looking woman at university, when it comes to finding an Alpha Male who goes to university. So the situation is even worse than the severe male shortage of 340 men, per thousand women. Money makes men more attractive, but it doesn't do the same thing for women...that's what feminists don't know. And people who go to university usually end up making a good living. A men shortage at university means there is a shortage of high earning men, for these women to marry. I'm already seeing this play out, in younger women who in times past, would have easily found a man. Now? Competition is too tough....and they lose. Women think that money will make them more attractive, as life partners. It won't. It only raises their standards, and when they raise their standards, they disqualify a large segment of the male population. So success at university will come at a very very steep price: they will be priced out of the marriage market. Personally I know a very, very cute woman of 34....a few inches from hitting The Wall....hard. In her prime I thought she should enter beauty pageants. Now? One or two bad relationship choices and she is looking ahead to a life alone. She has good genes and will likely live to 90.....alone....and childless. The life cycle of a woman is far different than the life cycle of a man. What feminists are not telling women is that most of their lives, they will NOT be young and beautiful....they'll be old. And most of their lives they can't bear children, and if they don't find someone when they are young, they are very likely to live alone most of their lives. Human pair bonding evolved in evolution to make women their most attractive in their 20s. Feminists tell them to avoid breeding and the most important thing for a young woman, is to stick your nose in a book for ten years. And when women spend their healthiest years competing with other women and men for money, they are doing so against borrowed time, and too much competition. They will lose. It's in the cards. Time is not on women's side. It's on men's sides. Men can wait. Women can't. We have never in history tried this social experiment of delayed pair bonding and uninhibited sexuality, and female economic dominance. It doesn't fit the pattern of evolution that has been successful to this point: young pair bonding, restrained sexuality and female economic dependence and inter-dependence, with males. I wonder why evolution has not tried our pattern before. My guess is, part of the reason is: it won't work. It's going to screw up....royally. I doubt very much that humans can sustain a civilization along our new patterns, for very long. For one thing, in this new pattern, human breeding drops dramatically and any society that adopts feminism will quickly disappear from history, based on demographics alone. Already, we see the real world results starting to come in, and it's not pleasant for most women. Since opening up with unrestrained human sexuality, pushed by feminists: The math I have heard is that 80% of all women compete for roughly 30% of all men....And this mean about 70% of male are effectively pushed out of evolution and long term mating with females. Question: can society stay stable, with most males having no investment in the genetic future, no investment in family or stable long term pair bonding with females? My guess? No.....we will collapse.....most men now have no reason even to support social stability, and if we are to have social stability and feminism, we will need a fascist state, with technological fascism and control of non-breeding men, by the elites, to keep non-breeders in line, for the safety of the feminist elites....male and female. That's long term, but today: In our new feminist society, the men at the top are having a great time because of this, lots of sex, and are highly desired by women, but most men are getting royally screwed by this new math, and women don't realize it yet, but they are losing, big time, by this feminist math.....because: Women go to university in part because it puts them around high status men they hope to attract. Trouble is women are now in such large numbers at university, thanks to feminism, that now women must viciously compete against all the other women at university, for the few guys that are there, and women at university must now also compete with all non-university women, for these same men. ...women supported feminism, so: you asked for it, ladies. If you go look up marriage rates, we are now at an all time historical low, and marriage is now a quaint relic reserved for the top income performers, and for most people in advanced countries like Sweden, Japan and America, marriage has already stopped being a functional reality, or organizing principle of their lives, thanks to feminists ending normal human pair bonding. So the way this new feminism will play out is the death of marriage for most women....and men. Since women spend most of their lives essentially old, by nature's standards of desirability, this will turn into a disaster, I predict. Am I right? Time will tell.

This is not an accident. Multiculturalism was always doomed and yet governments of all Western countries signed up for it to virtue signal. This was backed by the UN which uses its benign front to propagandise to every municipality in every Western country, calling for and getting bipartisanship, so that it is never discussed. The UN has played a greater role than is commonly realised through its promotion of International agreements via these internecine channels to all levels of bureaucracy. Its aim, as with the Lima agreement, is global wealth redistribution. Population redistribution was always part of it. Tell the women from puberty they must have a career and babies/families are no longer mentioned in high school. Create a lower birth rate and then talk up immigration as a solution. Hard to believe it worked. No James, there IS a conspiracy.

Brutal. Wonderful. Great interview. Thank you both to Douglas and Mark.

The reason we have become so afraid to talk about things that matter is we have developed what Murray describes as a strange reluctance to speak the truth in case it offends.

Murray is a member of an incredibly elite strata of public intellectual. Like Hitchens, Peterson of Harris, the man is a titan in both honesty, integrity and pure clarity of thought and expression. He’s a gift to all of us who refuse to be obedient sheep.

Being kind to the cruel when taken to extremes results in cruelty to the kind. See modern Europe.

Murray’s book scared the hell out of me. I think multiculturalism has become our latest attempt at utopian idealism, but we’re so caught up in it that we can’t see that the liberal elements of our societies have become completely unhinged from reality. The conservatives that would have told them to slow down have all been shamed into silence. We are being propelled forward by zealous ideologues who’ve managed to marginalize dissent in each and every society by means of political correctness. Caution truly has been thrown to the wind. But despite me being a liberal and a humanist, whenever I voice my concern about this I am immediately labeled racist. Here in Norway we’re close to discarding any sense of national identity. When asked what norwegian values are, the response is immediately “multiculturalism and diversity”... and if anyone tries to trace our identity back to its complex historical origin, they are told that such a thing is “too vague to define,” or that “such a discussion could be offensive to minorities.” There’s something so twisted about all of this. Multiculturalism has ceased being a noble aspiration and instead become a suicidal descent into yet another vision of utopia. If we truly cared about modelling our societies in such a fashion and actually making it work, then we would have slowed down and been a lot smarter about it.

Swedish culture takes a lot of influence from America and that is where Swedish post-colonial guilt comes from, as far as I can tell. But the main problem in Sweden is that people think of themselves as very righteous and morally superior to everyone else. This is a self image that is constantly reinforced both by the media and the politicians. Some even go so far as to call Sweden a moral superpower that is going to show the rest of the world how to be good and righteous because deep down everyone wants to be as good and selfless as Swedes. Recently this self image has been severely shattered as the reality has started to set in. However a lot of people still cling to the hope that the politicians know what they are doing and that they wouldn't just enact policy that ruin our country. But as far as I have seen the politicians aren't really aware of what is going on in Sweden because they seem to be insulated from all opposing opinions. I mean when the Poles refused to take in "their fair share" of refugees politicians went crazy and started accusing them of being racists and not "pulling their load" etc. For context: According to the official statistics and census bureau Swedes constituted 79% of the population in 2002 but by 2016 this figure had fallen to 69% so I'm pretty sure I'm going to live long enough to see the day when Swedes are no longer in the majority in Sweden.

Most Americans ancestors Migrated from Europe.Europe is giving up it's own culture Americans do not want to.People who do not want to adapt to our culture have no business coming here.

Well done man.

I am 100% on the left, Liverpudlian, thatcher hating, save the NHS, tax the rich more socialist. But every time I her Douglas speak, I agree with him, If I am being honest I worry about immigration and what is happening to the uk. What is more concerning is that most of our politicians won't even admit there is an issue.

Unquestionably the most important interview of the year from the two most important journalists of our age.

Love Douglas Murray! As an atheist I want to protect the Christian country I live in. First step hard Brexit!

With the greatest respect to these two fine intellects, they're only saying what millions of bog-standard Europeans have been saying for decades: "There's too many foreigners"! Thing is, they're no longer just foreign but actually quite alien...as we are to them! I can't IMAGINE what the attraction is.

We are losing because we are all pulling in different directions. The opposition is pulling in just one direction.

*Wonderfully civilized chat, with wonderfully civilized Men. Thank you for this!*

Such a treat to watch Douglas any time; especially special to hear Douglas in company that agrees with him; usually we only hear Douglas reply to disagreements; so nice to hear Douglas get to have a conversation that lets him breathe and not be on defense.

5:30 I don't know that Powell forecast the scale of the immigrant community to the present time. He did, with quite astounding accuracy, far more so than countless paid, 'expert' government demographics, estimate the non-white population to reach 4.5 million by the year 2000 on a frost interview in 1969. The 2001 census revealed it to be 4.6 million. Whether it was a lucky guess, or an example of the sheer brilliance of the man, we may never know. His prediction was made at a time when the actual size of the non-white population was unknown, estimated in 1970 from 1 to 2.5 million, and likely around 1.5 million. When birth rates were in a state of flux and future immigration patterns unknown.

Mark, you may have hit the nail on the head when you said: "All of them en mass eventually reach a point where they change Belgium or the Netherlands into a mere territorial designation." That may be exactly what the 'end game' of the unelected leaders of the European Union are intending to happen for all European countries. The E.U. leaders have so far been unable to get the individual countries in the union to surrender their sovereignty and their national identities. So, if the European countries won't do it voluntarily, mass immigration will force it some time in the not so distant future.

My two favourite clear minded, fearless, outspoken and often scathingly humorous commentators on the suicidal madness that the West continues to indulge itself in. Listening to the two of them together, it doesn't get any better.

During the Danish "Cartoon Crises", I remember Geert Wilders saying, "It's quarter to twelve now" pointing out how little time we had to act against the Muslim immigration. It's quarter past twelve now, if not later .

Wonderful talk.

They never asked the ordinary people of Europe: who did value their culture, nation and people, if they wished to throw away all that their forefathers bled and died to preserve! This horrific disaster was brought about by the Traitors in positions of power and influence. After the blood-letting, one can only hope that small enclaves of Truth and Light with arise amidst the barbarity, brutality and ignorance. Rivers of Blood, indeed......

Two heavy hitters. They both have the seemingly rare combination of enough sense to see what is going on, enough backbone to stand up to it, and enough intellect and knowledge to actually talk about it in ways that can not be ignored or shut down.

It is exiting to see how douglas has evolved through the years into the most dominant voice of reason regarding the current challenges the west is facing

26:38 - hung up in the bondage dungeon, only to realize there is no safe word

That was really great. Interesting and engaging with fascinating points made by both Douglas and Mark. Thanks for making it happen. With the BBC so biased in it's coverage and agenda promoting, it's a real relief to be able to come to RU-vid and find commentary and observation from the likes of Tucker Carlson, Mark Steyn, Douglas Murray, Gavin McInnes and Paul Joseph Watson.

These guys are fighting with the most important weapons they have, their words! It's up to the rest of us to take up the struggle to stop this madness!

Thoroughly enjoyed listening in on this conversation

Two giants on one screen. And yet the outlook is so gloomy that one can hardly enjoy it.

1. Close the border and redirect all resources towards foreign aid 2. Capture all terrorists and their sympathizers 3. Strenghthen European culture(s) 4. Reclaim control of the media 5. Begin repatriation program

These guys are fantastic. So much knowledge, insight and perspective........and common sense. This interview should be required listening for all of Europe's politicians.

The thing I reproach Murray for is his tip-toeing around the issue.