The Mormon Theology Behind the Chad Daybell & Lori Vallow Trials 

My heart goes out to you and your family throughout all of this. Your mom’s strength and devotion to seeing justice happen has been a powerful thing to witness from a distance. I absolutely have more insight on this but was working to keep the whole thing under 45 minutes, so I’d be happy to dive deeper into it with you if you’d like to connect. The fact that Ruby Franke, the Lafferties, the Haights and about 70 some odd other cases have happened shows that this tragedy isn’t nearly as rare as everyone is acting like. There is something seriously wrong here and it needs light shed on it! I’m so sorry for your loss and the drawn out pain this must have created for you and yours!

Murder, adultery, lying.... so much of what they did is directly against our beliefs.

@@salemthorup9536 so you didn’t watch.

Joseph Smith and Brigham Young didn't do anything different than these crazies are doing. I grew up in these doctrines. I grew up being told Joseph Smith:s visions were right. I grew up believing his polygamy was right and the threats to Emma, his wife, that God would destroy her if she didn't obey polygamy. Brigham Young led people knowingly to their death, trying to get people he could be tyrant over. He has a gold inlayed home in St George. Joseph Smith declared himself king of the earth. Brigham Young declared 'death on the spot' to those who broke certain of God's laws. Brigham told followers to grind up glass into flour they traded to natives. Is this really much different?? The Ruby Franke's, Jodi Hildebrandts, Chad Daybells etc have their roots in the Mormon church.

​@@salemthorup9536and yet done by Joseph Smith and Brigham Young aplenty. We grew up talking freely about Brigham's 64 wives and visiting the little bedrooms they were given to live in, in the Lion House. The murders were well known. Joseph Smith threatening destruction on his own wife. I think the Daybell apple doesn't fall that far from the Joseph tree.

😂😂 EXACTLY THAT.

Well they should. I believe Chad and Lori could have been stopped had the church come forward and stopped them they knew what shot was doing they knew what them preppers on avow and preparing the people they knew exactly what they were doing and they could have said no but they didn't You want to know why because then they would have to go against everything that their church stands for because it's all batshit crazy and they can't say these people are bat shit crazy when they know it's the same shit they believe in so yes Mormons should definitely realize that everybody is to blame for this in the church. At least the people in power they very easily could have told Chad and preparing the people and everyone else to knock at the fuck off but they didn't because they can't they just want your money give us our tithing......

😂😂 literally I’ve been like… how can I get flannel pictures for these cases. I’m so happy you got the reference.

Haha, I'm also hoping she can get flannel board settings for future episodes!

Yes. It’s made some folks think it’s actual religious ritual murder. Idk about that, but I see why they go there.

Well, it starts with Joe Smith and a thing called the Blood Atonement that she mentions in this video. I bet she has a video on that coming.

Omg

@@1ACLyep 😞

I had a roommate who had been translated and married to Jesus in Mormon heaven but she looked like a normal 19 year old just livin her life.

When you follow a demonic religion be prepared for this. That is not Jesus. That's a demon. The way you can tell, test everything against the holy Bible, and ONLY the Bible. It becomes quite clear

Know 2 Mormon males who claim to be visited by & talk to their grandfathers.

Ooh, I didn't realize Julie did readings and ranked people as light and dark as well! That's good to know!

You mean like the book of Mormon......... 😂

Absolutely- but it actually makes the plan of salvation and godhood and eternal progression and even kingdoms make SO MUCH more sense. Hell, even sealings!

I wouldn’t get my facts from this person…she knows nothing.

@@carolmartinsons3217 omg I’m in Jon Snow’s company now?! 🫠🫠🫠 FINALLY.

@@carolmartinsons3217 that’s a pretty generic statement that is pretty useless as it stands. Is there anything specific you think she got wrong?

@@carolmartinsons3217 but for real go ahead and let me know what detail I got wrong (besides the slip up of Charles when I meant Chad) so I either can correct it, or correct you. Happy to do both. 😘

That completely makes sense!

I’m thinking there might be confirmation of that out there, but not positive.

If you truly know about the Mormon religion in a deep way. They NEED way more than a kick.

It's absolutely maddening to me. Even in less overt cases it still has a role when someone has been programmed their whole life with so many of these teachings. But the fact people pretend it has NOTHING to do with Mormonism in cases like these is just straight up lying to themselves and the world.

Great details. Thanks! Fortunately it’s the last 20 minutes that are my unique contribution to the conversation though, and no one has had any corrections there yet.

If we can believe Melanie. She also waited in a lobby. She could’ve just left Melanie waiting and hid in bathroom for awhile and said she did the psych evaluation. I just believe Melanie less every time I hear from her. And we know Lori isn’t above lying to her.

@@AndImsomelady-fq6cw That is certainly a possibility!

I'm working with Beth on a couple videos where we'll go deeper into the origins of the Daybell theology! They definitely have a unique spin on some things, but overall, they're mostly just a few steps away from things once taught and practiced in the religion.

I know for sure at least one was. He worked with my best friends husband.

Well it would almost be unusual in that area if at least one wasn’t connected to the LDS.

Haha it's a nod to Mormon classes when I was growing up. You'd have to go to the church library and check out pictures to use for lessons and an easel and they had you teach lessons very similar to this. It's just a very vintage LDS thing.

Completely agree!

To claim this has nothing to do with skin color is to ignore everything the prophets and apostles taught on this matter for 180 years, all so they can save face on very obviously bad doctrine.

@@yorgasorI don’t think they are saying that?

@@justkiddin84 Sorry, I recognize skyjust828 wasn't saying that, but recent apologists are claiming "skin" doesn't really mean "skin," in the scriptures and that no one's skin color changed as part of a curse. The arguments the apologists use are really weak and ignore everything said by prophets and apostles on this topic before it became really, really awkward for them to believe it now.

@@yorgasor ugh! That’s gross.✌️

Exactly! We know this isn't an ordinary case, so the desire to pretend it is makes me CRAZY.

I just can’t believe those interviews!!! Lori laughing 🤣 as her husband goes to the ME!!! disgusting

@@ShraddaNicheyeah she and Alex were a serial killer pair, before meeting Chad. I think there are more victims we will never see justice for, sadly.✌️

Those penalties were specifically for revealing the tokens and signs given in the temple. Tylee and JJ never went through, nor was their "sin" revealing these particular secrets. The Brigham Young era "Blood Atonement" teachings were having throats slit and their blood spilled upon the ground as an offering for sins that were too severe for Jesus' atonement. But that wasn't technically at issue here either. These come more from ideas from the Visions of Glory book which described evil spirits trying to climb into a body, and once they were firmly situated, the original spirit died and they became 'zombies.' This left the body alive, and their spirit trapped in limbo, requiring their bodies to be put to death in order to free the spirits. This built on ideas promoted in Visions of Glory. Beth and I will be posting a new podcast where we explain the origins of the Daybell theology shortly!

@@yorgasor Please talk about Visions of Glory. I can see Beth with a cut out couch or desk or whatever Spencer chatted with and felt the emotion of. I saw that all roads lead to VofG and I tried to read it but couldn’t get through it. Not pool side reading unless your are Lorihor Daybell.

That was such a strange story! Like, the desk was all ashamed that a doctor used it to write love letters to a nurse he was having an affair with, and then the sofa in the office agonized that the doctor and nurse had sex on it!!! 😂

I mean "intrigued" from a theological perspective. I went to a Christian university (Holy Bible ONLY! Get that piano the hail put of there! No ornate "idols " 😂, no platitudes. No mixed swimming, naturally. Super conservative. I also have adhd and i hyperfixate, as it is an intereet based disorder. My family and I lived. In Utah for several years. I LOVE Utah, especially Ogden. I especially loved the people. Humans are incredibly dynamic and kind. The culture is outdoorsy, artsy, and there is always something to do. SO I LOVE THE LDS FOLKS. Don't come after me😇 I find Jason Mow, as well as each individual merely mentioned, even, is interesting and worth knowing. You're great❤

@@jessicarutledge4145You may not continue to have all those views after learning about all the connections. I agree there are many nice folks in the LDS who would not murder anyone nor approve of it.

@@justkiddin84 ok

I did not disclose my opinion, I simply want to know more about Jason mow. I think they're all out of their minds.

It is interesting that they don't do exorcisms. I think their ideas about possession come more from the book Visions of Glory, which a lot of LDS preppers take for their second coming Bible. This has spirits trying to get into bodies and convince them to do evil things (like watch porn), and eventually they reach a point where they are able to get into a body and stay in. At that point, the author said death was the only solution. "Wen we were confronted by people who were fully ripe in iniquity, and who would never repent, then we were free to deliver them from mortality. Their death would then be a blessing to them because they could no longer add additional iniquity to their divine ledger... When we did this, it was not a bloodbath and rarely a consumption by fire. They just fell to the ground and slipped into the eternities. When this happened, we felt happy for them to be freed from the torment of their own delusions. With God they would eventually see clearly once again and could choose to cease heaping condemnation upon their souls." -- Visions of Glory 199-200

So I have a TikTok with 22k followers, I’m just coming over here for long form content. My approach is to talk about tons of these cases and discuss whether Mormonism had any impact on the case or not. This one there is. The Gilbert Goons? Not so much. But it’s worth discussing whether someone HAPPENS to be Mormon or if Mormonism was a weapon of choice for the perpetrators.

@@yorgasoryes, Visions of Glory is a huge problem.

Good thing this was about the theology in Mormonism, not Kevin Bacon.

That was the name of a movie.

@@erpthompsonqueen9130the name of the movie is from the idea (it’s real) that there are at least six degrees of separation between every person on earth. If you followed the trail, we all are six people from Kevin Bacon. That idea is from a study done in the 1960’s originally, so no it’s not about the movie.

@justkiddin84 Isn't that what I said?

So in testimony for Chad’s trial this week when they went over those texts, Prior said Chad could have fictionalized it. The witness said that other parts of the story had been verified by witnesses and Bruce is the only person I can think of mentioned by name on it. So I would imagine he was asked and based on that testimony he would have had to have said yes.

Joseph Smith taught TONS of concepts that were new age spirituality packaged a little differently. Much of what makes Mormonism unique is rebranded “woo”.

Those New Age things? A lot of them have come out of Mormonism.

Yes it is Christian. I've known several L.D.S people in my life and even-had the discussions" people Invesigating prior to baptism. These were wonderful people, I could never have lived up to their required standards plus I could never allow anyone to tell me what to believe and how to live. Too much like my catholic background that I ran away from at 15. I had no idea about a lot of these extreme beliefs,it's been a real SHOCk😢

It depends on how you define Christian. My brother and sister in law who left Mormonism to become Born Again say it isn’t, my family who is still Mormon insist they are. Mormons don’t have a trinitarian view of God and other theologies that don’t align with many other Christian groups, but they do claim belief that Jesus Christ is their savior.

Not at all christian

Back when I was a practicing Catholic I came across an article in one of our publications that explained that the Mormon belief and practices of Baptism are so different from those of mainstream Christianity that if a Catholic seeks to annul a marriage to a Mormon the Mormon does not count as a baptized person which is a major qualifier to call a marriage invalid. For research reasons I've looked at the same questions pertaining to marriages in the Eastern Orthodox Church. The Orthodox Church does not allow marriages between Orthodox persons and Jews, Muslims--or Mormons.

Potato potahto. If that’s the worst thing I got wrong then I’m doing good.

Did I? Damn it. The recording it in one go thing is a huge challenge for me.

I haven’t watched it but that sounds about right!

@@MormonTrueCrime she has a liquor company x

@@dentistgirl 😂 sounds about like Brigham Young!!

This Is who I first thought of😂

No? But as stated I'm giving a super fast run through of the story so we can discuss theology.

I think Brigham also said there are no daughters of perdition at some point!

@@MormonTrueCrime "Man is the transgressor. Eve was the first to partake of the forbidden fruit, and the man was disposed to follow her, and did follow her; consequently, sin is in the world, and when redemption comes it must come by man. When we speak of law and the transgression of law, we refer to the law of God to man. I doubt whether it can be found, from the revelations that are given and the facts as they exist, that there is a female in all the regions of hell." -- Brigham Young, Journal of Discourses 8:222 "There was some informal talk regarding the question as to whether there are, or would be, any women in hell. It was conceded that some women by their acts-namely, abortion, child murder after birth, and the poisoning of their husbands, and other criminal acts-merited a place in the lower regions. President Smith expressed the view that women who commit such crimes as those mentioned would receive punishment to the uttermost farthing, but that there would be no daughters of perdition. This, he said, was his view in regard to the matter, which also seemed to meet the minds of the brethren." -- Joseph F Smith, , A Ministry of Meetings: The Apostolic Diaries of Rudgar Clawson, 560 (entry for 26 March 1903) "I think I am safe in saying that no man can become a Son of Perdition until he has known the light. Those who have never received the light are not to become Sons of Perdition. They will be punished if they rebel against God They will have to pay the price of their sinning, but it is only those who have the light through the priesthood and through the power of God and through their membership in the Church who will be banished forever from his influence into outer darkness to dwell with the devil and his angels. That is a punishment that will not come to those who have never known the truth. Bad as they may suffer, and awful as their punishment may be, they are not among that group which is to suffer the eternal death and banishment from all influence concerning the power of God". -- Joseph Fielding Smith, Conference Report (October 1958), 21 But then other church leaders also said women can become daughters of perdition. So they can't keep that part of the doctrine straight either. "[God] has other sons and daughters who do not even attain unto the telestial kingdom. They are sons of perdition out with the devil and his angels, and though the Father has grieved over them, he still has not the power to rescue and save them because He gave them free agency, and they used that in such a manner that they have shut themselves out from His presence. But He is justified. He has performed His full duty by them." -- Melvin J. Ballard, Sermons and Missionary Services of Melvin J. Ballard (Salt Lake City, Deseret Book Co., 1949), 255-257 Even Joseph F Smith contradicted his earlier statement to Elder Clawson, and said women can be daughters of perdition: ""The devil knows the Father much better than we. Lucifer, the son of the morning, knows Jesus Christ, the Son of God, much better than we, but in him it is not and will not redound to eternal life; for knowing, he yet rebels; knowing he yet is disobedient; he will not receive the truth; he will not abide in the truth; hence he is Perdition, and there is no salvation for him. The same doctrine applies to me and to you and to all the sons and daughters of God who have judgment and knowledge and are able to reason between cause and effect, and determine the right from the wrong and the good from the evil and who are capable of seeing the light and distinguishing it from the darkness." -- Conference Report (April 1916), 3

🤣 Oh my goodness I have so many other things I would have said in this episode.

What scriptures were they using in the first century? And are you saying Jesus taught FROM the scriptures? I’m a little confused and trying to understand.

Go ahead and watch the video and learn about blood atonement. Also it was fine for Nephi to take Laban’s life for the sake of the kingdom, so it sure sounds like it does.

God kills lots of people in that book he’s credited with creating. He kills kids for making fun of a bald man. He kills the entire villages, up to and including the pregnant women, all the men and boys, but spares some of the young girls, to keep for concubines. He killed everyone on earth except one man’s family. Sounds pretty murderous to me.

Did I say she legally changed her name? Sure didn’t. But she was indeed called Lori Daybell in connection with this case. Colby had his last name changed to Ryan. If it wasn’t a legal adoption then that’s a detail that doesn’t impact the POINT of the video - which is the last 20 mins where we discuss THEOLOGY. Please go ahead and come at THOSE facts that are THE POINT and then we can have a discussion. I literally said “you can get the basis of this story elsewhere, so I’m breezing through this part so we can get to the ACTUAL point here.”

In 2001, Lori married Joseph Anthony Ryan Jr., who legally adopted Colby. The couple's biological daughter, Tylee, was born in 2002. - Wikipedia You can pretend I made up facts but that wasn’t one.

“To clear up confusion, Lori Daybell’s attorney filed a motion Monday asking that his client be called by her legal name, Mrs. Lori Daybell.” If she didn’t change her name, great, but to pretend sources don’t exist that would back up what I said is just wrong - and again I didn’t say “She legally changed her name”. I referred to her by the name that her attorneys and she requested she be called by in her trial that I listened to every minute of. KJZZ, 3/9/21 kjzz.com/news/attorney-asks-court-to-call-lori-daybell-by-her-legal-name

​@@MormonTrueCrimethe only correction I would make, and you can verify with Joe Ryan sister Anne from the channel murderer heart, is that Joe did not adopted Colby, but gave him the last name. She said, Anne said that if she knew her brother didn't had adopted Colby, she would not be a witness against him at the time of his divorce with Lori. Joe didn't need to have visitation with Colby, but only Tylee, his biological daughter. At that time, Colby said Joe molested him. And Anne witness Joe being aggressive towards Colby. But she never believed he SA Colby or Tylee for that matter. Sorry about my English. Your video is great.

@@laurenmay2098that’s great to know. Thats one of the big struggles with all of this - I can verify something from a source and then a different source says otherwise. Like there’s no reason for me to question in a different case, reports have been given that Israel Keyes family was FLDS. BUT they weren’t. They were LDS and they left, *In my opinion* over Black people being given equal rights in the LDS church. So they maintained fundamentalist beliefs on that topic, but they weren’t FLDS… yet multiple sources say they were. 🤦‍♀️ it’s like you have to have omniscience and thousands of hours to figure out which sources are accurate and know what platform or detail you don’t even know that another platform provided misinformation about.