The Mythic Dawn Cult | The Elder Scrolls Podcast #80 

Scott is looking grand and intoxicating today!

The cult Drew was referring to is the "Heavens Gate" cult. Aside from all the Satan, aliens, and offing themselves stuff. They were actually incredibly skilled web designers in the early days of the internet. ~The more you know~

15:10-15:16 = Scott: "So what would you get if the Aetherial energy and everything met with a realm of Oblivion?" Meridia: **enters the chat and laughs in the Daedric Princes' faces**

You guys probably won't see this but I think doing a podcast about the Skaal and all maker would be really cool!!! Much love from Houston❤️

"Mythic dawn, what will you do if Dagon ever does take over Tamriel?" MD: "I don't know... I never actually thought I'd get that far. "

The Mythic Dawn may not be a daedra cult. The Deadlands DLC introduces the idea that Dagon's cults are Magnus worshipers who will follow Dagon as Magnus' agent to unmake his flawed creation of Mundus.

Thank you for all that you do. I am currently about to turn 14 and was very depressed about 2 years ago when I discovered Skyrim. Now I’ve played every game and I wouldn’t be alive if it wasn’t for the elder scrolls. I currently am the leader of a elder scrolls club in my middle school. I just wanted to tell you my story and say thank you for making this wonderful content.

Love Scott's new look. It really stands out.

The Aedra being lesser or weaker than the Daedra is a very common misconception. The Aedra gave up their personhood to embody the literal laws of physics of mundus itself. The Daedra, while keeping their personhood, can only influence Mundus from the outside, and are not only bound by the Aedra in the ammount and way they wish to influence Mundus, but require champions from Mundus in order to enact their wishes and manipulations. In that regard, the Daedra are infinitely more dependant and flawed, than the Aedra could ever be.

The last time I was this early, God Howard had only released Skyrim once

My favorite cult from my favorite game, fuck yeah. i got a Mythic Dawn Rising sun tattoo on my arm about 2 years after i first played oblivion

I can’t stop picturing Scott’s voice coming from the mask

I love the Mythic Dawn, I have been working on some way to explore interpreting the Mythic Dawn Commentaries for awhile and it has led me down a lot of very interesting rabbitholes. Off the top of my head, there are a few additional things I would like to throw out there to add onto what you said. The most important thing is that y'all totally forgot to mention how important the Magna Ge are in the Mythic Dawn! Their pantheon goes beyond Lord Dagon and it seems that worship of the Magna Ge is part of the path to Paradise. "I give my soul to the Magna Ge, sayeth the joyous in Paradise, for they created Mehrunes the Razor in secret, in the very bowels of Lyg, the domain of the Upstart who vanishes." (Mythic Dawn Commentaries 3) and "But for it the Crusades would be as my lord's Creation, Get by the Ge and do as thou wilt, of no fetters but your own conscience! " (Mythic Dawn Commentaries 4) point to this. I know there isn't much to go on just with that about a specific pantheon, but there are other elements we can see that give evidence to how this manifested in worship and the significance if it. The use of a Great Weykland stone to open the gate to Paradise shows a ritual use of starlight for example, and given how the 4 items used relate to Oblivion (Great Sigil Stone and Daedra blood) and Aetherius (the Weykland stone and Aedra blood) and how chim and Nu-Mantia are intertwined in the Commentaries I would say that gives the impression that they are seeking to sort of go back up to the source before the dualities and such whose interplay creates that emanated chain of being that is the universe in the Elder Scrolls. Anyways, something else: the Ritual of Want is super interesting when you read into it. It's sort of like a baptism in the sense of a purification and rebirth sort of thing where you symbolically kill your old identity and become reborn as a Dagonite. There are symbolic references to the overthrow of Molag Bal and his murder that basically broke that kalpa with the use of dreugh hides and the incancation talking about breaking bones upon the rocks and all. So it is sort of can be seen like a microcosm of breaking the overall time cycle by first breaking from the personal cycles that you are attached to and emptying your mind to open up to pure revolutionary energy a la Dagon. You can't be working towards breaking time itself if you're all caught up with celebrating holidays or working at the forge or whatever. It also seemingly seems like you are basically symbolically becoming Ruma Camoran. He describes the ritual of want "as a birth watched by blackbirds", which alludes his first daughter who Mankar Camoran seemingly ate: "Falter now and become one with the wayside orphans that feed me. Follow and I shall adore you from inside. My first daughter ran from the Dagonite road. Her name was Ruma and I ate her with no bread, and made another, which learned, and I loved that one and blackbirds formed her twin behind all time." This idea of consuming something of impure for what is pure is also evoked in a more academic sense when discussing the aedra and connected with this idea of learning from your misteps to ascend. I am pretty sure basically this means you are sort of symbolically killing your old identity, in analogy to how Mankar killer and ate his daughter (maybe symbolically?), and then celebrating your rebirth as a Dagonite on the new Ruma's birthday. Pretty freaking metal. It also feels like "Raven Camoran" and the idea of the twin of blackbirds should be related, but I am not exactly sure how? I'll avoid going into the relationship to real life religous and philosophical ideas like thelema, buddhism, and egoist anarchism, or more of the interesting ideas in the Commentaries and the Ayleid connection, but yah honestly the Commentaries are kind of a masterpiece that I have been dissecting for a couple years now. My goal is to organize those ideas into a video and watching some videos on this channel has definitely helped me deepen my appreciation of the Elder Scrolls and gave me some insights on my favorite fictional new religious movement. Thanks a ton ✌

Mehrunes Dagon was a creation of the other Daedra. Meridia once having Cold Harbor is it important part of that.

Hope is a powerful tool. For most people when they reach their goal from what they hoped for, they stop hoping. For a being that is the primordial sense of hope, it never will end. Like a hunger that cannot be satisfied. If Dagon had won the day instead of being thwarted, he would of eventually turned on his followers to overthrow them and it would be a continued cycle.

so a random question I have how many mythic dawn membrs were high elfs that could have escaped and returned to Summerset to infiltrate/change the Thalmor into what they become in skyrim

Scott is looking particularly handsome this episode. New haircut?

What I live about the daedra is this implication that becoming daedric is to have a more physical presence than an aedra because all they are is unchecked ego. Their realm is all their ego their limitations and freedoms start and end with their ego. It might just be a game contrivance but I feel two daedric princes can't exist in the same oblivion realm or another's daedric realm because it is their own metaphysical mind. Except on nirn because right now it's like an open server with no real admin , cause the admin died but left his computer running forever next to a bunch of wierd kids with no internet at home

The mythic dawn Skyrim anniversary edition content is pretty good, the assets and textures used are pretty top notch

Last time I was this early the Mythic Dawn hadn't killed the emperor.

I see that Scott has achieved Anti-Chim, becoming the Sharmat. A Scott-Ur

The Mythic Dawn assassinated Scott, hence why there is no footage of him!!!!!😱😱😱😱😱

Gotta love Scott's new face lol

So if daedric princes are supposed to exist partially outside of time, and if Lorkhan let himself be killed to make Mundus the way it is now, then somewhere outside of time part of Lorkhan is still the daedric prince of Mundus and he's probably just chilling and watching Nirn like tv or something.

I wish we had gotten that spell. it's really cool.

Dang Drew lookit that hair that face that vibe, what a prince

Is there a video on Protonymic and Neonymic? Feels like an interesting discussion. Like do other beings besides daedra have Nymics? Is "Dovahkiin" a type of Nymic for the dragonborn? Etc Etc.

I wouldn't be shocked if it turned out that some of the Altmer members of the Mythic Dawn managed to flee back to Alinor and join an early version of The Thalmor which they now use as a way to achieve unmaking Mundus. It's a stretch but The Thalmor do have Daedra worshippers in their ranks,like Lord Naarafin

Very cool

It seems that Scott has achieved Chim.

Pretty sure the heaven's gate cult the that believed in the comet taking them to their own realm, and the apocalyptic am shinrikyo helped inspire both the mythic dawn and the current motives for the aldmeri

Dawn is Breaking! I love the feeling of this cult, and used some mods and ended up taking over the Mythic Dawn, became the Potentate and set the way for a new Mythic Era, in worship of the Prince of Destruction on an Empire-Wide level. I could literally kill people on the street and guards wouldn’t set a bounty, they would just come to wish me a good day.

The mythic dawn is memory lane for me. I was a oblivion baby

Pretty sure the cult that the Simpsons parodied was the one that ended in the Jonestown massacre. Can't remember the name but the leaders gave the members poisoned cool-aid which then lead to the term "drinking the cool-aid". edit: The People's Temple cult

Love waking up to a new podcast.

Me after binging every TES Shoddaycast podcast: No recall nor intervention can work in this podcast. There is no escape!

Mankar Camoran’s character kinda reminds me of Stregobor from the Witcher books

Literally watching this at dawn in the U.S. 😂

I mean Tamriel/Nirn was Mahrunes Dagons plane and so he wants back what is rightfully his

listening to a podcast while doing Oblivions main quest ^^ quality content as always

"You failed, Cyrodiil Champion. Everyone can see that you are drawn as a soyjack and me as the Chad." -Camoran probably

Drew not knowing heaven’s gate proves the boys are from the UK lol

Mehrunes Dragon is one of the most evil Daedra!!!!! Other evil Daedra are: Namira, Nocturnal, Vaermina, Boethiah, Peryite, and Mephala. My list of good-neutral Daedra are: Meridia, Azura, Sheogorath, Clavicus Vile, Hircine, Sanguine, Molag Bal, Hermeus Mora, Jyggalag, and Malacath. Also even though Sithis isn't a Daedra they are in the neutral morality zone to me.

It's the great journey

One of the issues I really have with Elder Scrolls is that the mortals are always in a pretty severe disadvantage when it comes to the Daedra. Like here are these beings with near infinite power that randomly decide to ruin someones life and the only safeguard against them are the Divines who literally can't do much because they're too weak. I would like it if future games made it a bit more even.

Dawn is breaking...

As an Aussie I love the upload time for this podcast. ;) great podcast as always.

Yay another podcast

What if instead of being born a god mehrunes was a mythic hero of lyg who toppled the dregs and the gods and he ascended to godhood. The same thing could apply to molag bal where he was a great mythic king but when the world reset both of them became gods.

Love the content guys! Nice makeover Scott! It's a dawning look for you. 😉 I'd like to see an episode about odd creatures of TES.

The chad assassins! Welcome back oh the great Trinity of Fudgemuppet.

The leader of the Mythic Dawn was an Altmer; his son and daughter were Altmer; the end of the Oblivion Crysis was followed by the Aldmeri Dominion advancing on the Imperial City... ... what if the Thalmor are, without openly been Dagon Worshippers, followers of the Mythic Dawn, now simply wanting to bring Paradise on Mundus instead of going to Paradise ?

Love the podcast! Also looking forward to more lets play!

I'm thinking about the whole Akatosh and Alduin thing... vs Dagon, it may just have been a natural response: the Dragonfires are lit and Dagon tries to invade = intervention. But with Alduin, I am wondering if Alduin deviating from his intended purpose (ruling rather than devouring) and Akatosh (or AKA) intervenes because Alduin needs a 'hard reset', or because Akatosh wants the kalpa to continue. Why just this one is anyone's guess.

Let's gooooooooooo

Silas reminds me of US Southerners who boast about being descended from Robert E. Lee. So, I find him to be a very believable character.

Can't believe I'm this early! Love the content💙

I just started playing oblivion for the first time yesterday. The mythic dawn are looking cool on the sewer intro.

for ep. 81, i think making my mod list and planning my character is more fun than actually playing skyrim. also, your channel and watching sorcerer dave's fathis ulven playthrough is also more enticing than playing TES myself. i dont think i've gotten above level 20 in my last ten playthroughs. Regardless, still love the series and fanaticize about the next one

Couldn't help but look at Scott and think "Who are you?" (Hadvar voice)

Anyone still gets chills at the intro song?

Miaq the liar is the agent from daggerfall

I kept thinking michael was saying underdark not underdog.

It would make sense that Dagon might have directly inspired the potential goal of the Thalmor, Crystal Tower fell during the Oblivion Crisis and they could have designed their plans around what they saw there

I’ve seen every episode of these podcast, Scott you cut drew and Michael off sooooooo much let them finish :’(

I painted a mythic dawn banner it's in my room to pay homage to the god of destruction

Scott looking very handsome in this podcast.

isn't lorkhan an aedra tho? by definition

Oblivion and Morrowind isn't working on xbox rn... they won't load up correctly. Is anyone else having this issue isn't been about a week now it won't load top to the main menu. :/

It pisses me off that Todd Howard hasn’t made a new elder scrolls game yet. See you guys in 5-6 years

Just in time I just finished the deadlands dlc

This should be interesting

I feel like dagons plan in eso is basically the same as molag bals in the main story, just trying to merge mundus with his realm by using the 4 ambitions/ dark anchors

thank you 💚💚💚💚💚💚💚

One thing that I always felt when I was playing through Oblivion is I was afraid that the mythic Dawn was actually correct and Tameril actually did belong to Dagon.

Speaking of Dagon, can anyone help me find that fanart of Mehrunes depicted in what looks like Hindu or Buddhist style art being shown as a benevolent god to a crowd happily worshipping him? Fudgemuppet had that image in one of their videos but I can't find it

I'm wanting to start a podcast with my friend as a co host, I just have no idea how to go about it, do u have any advice on how to do it?

Recently started playing TES4 again, this time I really want to complete the main story, because I still haven't done this :(

The cult Drew is referring to was "Heavens Gate" lol

Does anyone know what mic’s they use?

Was Scott trolling Michael with that last video? Lol

Mechanically, I loved an enemy type using summoned weapons/armor.

Here's a hot take for you: The Thalmor should win because tamriel ruled over by the dominion would be a really cool game setting where you can play as either an agent or a member of a resistance faction.

Do Drew and Michael look different to you guys?

The cult you thought might be real indeed was. They were called Heaven's Gate. They believed that the passing of a comet would bring them to paradise. If they committed suicide at the moment of its passing. I believe their website is still up.

Drew just woke up

Scott looking like Dagoth Ur meets Handsome Squidward lol

So to understand it correctly. Dagon is not Lorkhan. But Dagon, and his cult want to destroy Lorkhan's world because they don't think Lorkhan approves of in what state world is? Thats kinda dumb. From what i read up Lorkhan even defeated Dagon in elder scrolls 4 oblivion. Tiber Septim. Incarnation of Lorkhan. I think you misunderstood few things in the lore.

Apparently no one reads the description, you guys still have last week's in there, just thought I'd let you know :3

Drinking game for these podcasts? Take a shot every time Scott interrupts or tries to interrupt, Michael and Drew. Edit: maybe not so much this one, but definitely for the last one.

Despite being "Hope and Change" i think it a perfect cover cuz to make change, you often have to overthrow and spike the rulers which if you dont do things "right" your subjects may try it on you. If mundus broke all the princes would probably go do their own things. They are only powerful cuz they came around first and got alot of "power" stored up

what elder scrolls race would amy winehouse be

Dude I love Handsome Squidward Dagoth-Ur

Ever heard of the joke about High tech vs a Djinn? So it goes that Djinn use highly advanced tech when they do their stuff as "Making Gold" is just rearranging atoms, making someone have lovers is reorganizing women chemical structures and pretty all they do can be done if you had a souped up, unrestricted subnatica crafter basically. Despite being all "powerful" their influences are less impactful then a fart sometimes. To mortals it scary but the moment your peephole of reality opens up, it not that much.

I heard you mention Bannerlord in some previous podcast. If you're into Game of Thrones my brother runs the Trial of the seven kingdoms mod for bannerlord. Check it out if you're interested. Gotta do something while we all wait for ES6 lol.

The Elder Scrolls version of Jim Jones.

Shouting Minotaurs in TES 6.

The Eight betrayed Lorkhan, did they? Akatosh is Lorkhan/Shezarr so he dose not count, Arkay was once mortal and had nothing to do with Lorkhan, Dibella Sided with Lorkhan, Julianos Sided with Lorkhan as well, Kynareth his Wife sided with him, Mara his Concubine, Stendarr died for him, and Zenithar maybe?. Am i missing somthing? or do 90% of the Eight sided with Lorkhan and not against him.

Ayo, where was he mythic dawn assassin armor in the anniversary edition? Smh

I reversed Dagon's true name and all I could understand out of it is "I lick hell"